John, No! You can't leave when I'm just beginning! :) Actually, John, as I'm reading through the AMREV archives, I see what you have contributed, how many people you've helped, all that you've taught (and are teaching me) and, well, what else can I say, you're amazing. And I haven't even known you long. But, I want you to know, in the brief time I've been researching this area, it's obvious you are leaving behind an incredible legacy, not just to your ancestors, but to all of the descendants of these men, current descendants and those yet to find your work. So, I just wanted to put in my two cents' worth and to tell you to take care! And you're still going to break out that magnifying glass once in a while, right? Susan King

Dear Denis Robillard; Thank you very much for your words of appreciation, they were like music to my ears, believe me. (Mozart :) And I know you don't mind my forwarding your e-mail to the list in order to preserve them in the mail list archives, perhaps some other Valentin SCHEID descendants will some day read all the postings to learn about him, and they'll find you and me. As you have read, my research had to come to an end, age, health, and my eyesight. It's bad enough if I have to sit in front of my computer screen with a magnifying glass in my hand to read incoming mail. But let me assure you that I had a wonderful time all these years while chasing Hessian soldiers, and it was my pleasure meeting you and so many other Hessian descendants during that time. Good luck to you in the future, and thanks again for remembering me. With my best regards John Helmut Merz ----- Original Message ----- From: denis robillard robipoet@hotmail.com To: Hessian@sympatico.ca Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 3:12 PM Subject: Farewell and Thank you! Dear John: From time to time John, I like to sneak a peek back to the AmRev Hessian list to see if there are any other mentions of my ancestors name, Valentin Scheid. As you know, you were the one who opened the door to this ancestor of mine and allowed me to learn so much about my german ancestors and this often neglected segment of the Canadian population. We as descendents should be mighty proud and should continue to teach and instruct and inform others about the roles played by these soldiers in this fledgling country, that Canada was c. 1777. I would not have believed in my wildest dreams that after only 5 years of research and questions and gentle proding on the web sites and on the Amrev List that I would be able to amass enough information to produce a 80 page book on Valentin Scheid. It is truly a marvel and a miracle and I graciously and humbly take off my mitter hat to you Mr. Merz. Thanks ever so much for the time effort and passion that you have given to this site and to people in Canada. Your impact has been tremendous and beneficial, for me and countless others. It was with some sadnesss that I learned recently of your retirement. Health is not what it used to be, I would imagine. Your shoes will be large to fill. Good luck in your retirement and stay healthy please. I am very glad to have met you in person and to have learned the inroads of these marvellous stories. My next proect is to contribute some research to the Canadian Biography on some prominant Hessians from Quebec (my area of interest). John, I would like to send you a copy of my book, but you did not reply, so I am not even sure of your current address. I hope that you will respond. Take care and God Bless. Denis Robillard Windsor, Ontario

Hello Lynn, hell List subscribers; I sure hope you did get my GUIDE and the HUTHMANN Data File which I mailed to you 20th of July this year. Just to let folks know that I still have a copy of every Personal Data File I ever typed out, and still have some "GUIDE's left for sale. Next week my research material will have a new home in Louisville, but I still can make copies of PDF's I have. As far as my Canadian research material is concerned, it is gone and you will have to contact Mr. Ian Reilly, U.E., e-mail 7thtownmagrc@kos.net for books and/or information. All others who are waiting for a reply from me, please be patient, it will come when I find the time. Regards, John Helmut Merz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Loftus" <lynnlof@msn.com> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Hessian Soldier - Myth and Truth! > Hi Bob, > > Thank you so much for the info on our Hessians, it was fantastic. I learned more from your e-mail than I have since I started with the group. I appreciated you sharing very much. > Lynn Loftus > lynnlof@msn.com<mailto:lynnlof@msn.com> > descendant of Christian Huthmann > Waldeck Soldier.

As D5550 does not include the + it is outside of Hesse-Kassel I scanned about 3000 lines/60 pages in HETRINA II and couldn't find anything near to D5550. Here are the closest numbers I found. D5400 Koblenz D5400 Nancy D5401 Werlau X5401 Feldengel [former DDR] D5429 Ruppertshofen D5473 Kruft D5581 Wolf X5701 Lengenfeld [former DDR] X5820 Langensalza [former DDR] X5900 Eisenach [former DDR]. D5928 Laasphe Bob Brooks ----- Original Message ----- From: John Merz To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Hetrina and 'old postal codes' in Germany. From: "RC Brooks" <rcbrooks@pivot.net> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 9:06 PM <snip> > All four entries give his place of origin as Dusemond, old postal code D5550 To help find the new postal codes (Postleitzahlen - PLZ), here is a URL for convertions - http://www.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/dienste/plz.html Unfortunately the above place of origin could not be found, bets bet is to find another town with same old PLZ and pinpoint the location. Good luck, John Merz (my 6 Hetrina volumes are now part of my collection at Ameliasburgh, Ontario)

Nelda -- Sorry, but I can not agree to let you use that posting on your website. The tabular information I resented was from memory and therefore not reliable. There already is too much erroneous information on the internet without my posting adding to the pile.. Edward J. Lowell, The Hessians and the other German Auxilaiaries of Great Britain in the Revolutionary War (New York: Harpers & Brothers, 1884) Provides the following numbers in Appendix D. Hesse-Cassel: 1776 12,805 1777 403 [This number should be 497 plus 29 women and 12 children, total 538] 1778 none 1779 993 1780 915 1781 915 1782 961 Total 16,992 Brunswick [Braunscheig] 1776 4,300 1777 224 1778 475 1779 286 1780 266 1781 none 1782 172 [This number should be 224 plus 3 women] Total 5.723 Anspach-Bayreuth 1777 1,285 [this number should be 1342 plus 62 women, total 1404] 1778 318 1779 157 1780 152 1781 205 [This number should be 115] 1782 236 [This number should be 235 plus 3 servants and 9 women, 1 man deserted before they left Bremerlehe] Total 2,353 Hesse-Hanau Prior 2,038 1781 50 1782 334 Total 2,422 Waldeck 1776 670 1777 89 1778 140 1779 23 1780 none 1781 144 1782 159 Total 1,225 Anhalt-Zerbst 1778 600 1779 82 1780 50 1781 420 1782 none [The 420 men listed in 1781 may have come in 1782 as A-Z troops were in the 1782 transport] Total 1,152 I have annotated a few lines where I have other numbers. Rodney Atwood, The Hessians : mercenaries from Hessen-Kassel in the American Revolution (New York & Cambridge, Eng.: Cambridge University Press, 1980) is the expert on the troops from Hesse-Cassel and has different numbers. i don't own that volume but you should be able to get it via interlibrary loan. If I am not mistaken, it was recently reissued as a trade paperback. Lowell's book is now dated but still a worthwhile read: http://www.americanrevolution.org/hessindex.html By doing your homework, you should be able to write your own explanation for your website. I assure you it will be more meaningful to you than any cut and paste job. Bob Brooks ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelda Percival To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Hessian Soldier - Myth and Truth! Hi Bob and List members, Wow! this is just exactly what I wanted. Because of copyrights I need to ask if I may use your email exactly as it is with of course your private address removed... on my website. I believe I'll head it as Hessian Soldier - Myth and Truth! "The Hessian Mercenaries" What the unknowing call the "Hülfstruppen" or "Auxillary Troops." I would then copy paste the entire email below this.. Please do understand that I do not call them "Mercenaries"...LOL I learned that from the list and John. I do know that not enough people understand the difference.. that's one of the reasons for this enquiry... Thank you so much Nelda descendant of Johann Jacob Bonstein a Hessian soldier Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG Beatty #005 & #10; Graves #231 & #105 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== The Source HETRINA has been discussed more often than anything else, you find the explanations by checking our key word archive http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=amrev-hessians You can find it by typing in "26 feb 1999" and look for HETRINA. Or check the Threaded Archives for February 1999 - Hetrina publication.

From: "RC Brooks" <rcbrooks@pivot.net> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 9:06 PM <snip> > All four entries give his place of origin as Dusemond, old postal code D5550 To help find the new postal codes (Postleitzahlen - PLZ), here is a URL for convertions - http://www.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/dienste/plz.html Unfortunately the above place of origin could not be found, bets bet is to find another town with same old PLZ and pinpoint the location. Good luck, John Merz (my 6 Hetrina volumes are now part of my collection at Ameliasburgh, Ontario)

Regiment Prinz Carl is found in HETRINA II. General Major Martin Konrad Schmitt has only four enties against his name. The first has him "present" in the Stammrolle of April 1775 which predates deployment The second is from the Rangliste which has him dying from non-battle causes in May 1780 The third and fourth go to the same Monatliche Listen (blaue Nr. 8824, f. 17) dated May 1780 and has him dying from non-battle causes and also code 18 "krank zurükgelieben" or "remained in Europe sick" All four entries give his place of origin as Dusemond, old postal code D5550 The last pair of entries give his year of birth as 1720/21. This is a "manufactured date based on his age at the time of the report. In this case his age in May 1780 when he died (in Germany) was given as age 59. The Henrich Schmitt you probably are looking for was an officer who also has four entries against his name. The first has him "present" as a Fähnrich (Ensign) in the Stammrolle of April 1775 which predates deployment The second is from the Rangliste which has him promoted to Secondeleutnat (2nd Lieutenant) in Feb 1777. The third is from Monatliche Listen (blaue Nr. 8824, f. 19) dated June 1777 [sic] which has him separated in America. The fourth is from the Rangliste dated June 1778 [sic] which has him separated in America. None of the four enries lists a place of origin or year of birth. The other two men named Henrich Schmitt were Privates in the 2nd and 4th companies, respectively, of Regiment von Ditfurth. Bob Brooks ----- Original Message ----- From: RSmith2847@aol.com To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 7:59 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Hetrina Does anyone on the list have the six volumes of Hetrina? I am looking for: General Major Martin Conrad Schmitt and his nephew Heinrich Schmitt, both members of The Regiment Prinz Carl. Need personal data on both. Have only names and "hand-me-down" family story. Thanks Bob TX ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== Mail List archives are your best bet to find information, try http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=amrev-hessians http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L

Does anyone on the list have the six volumes of Hetrina? I am looking for: General Major Martin Conrad Schmitt and his nephew Heinrich Schmitt, both members of The Regiment Prinz Carl. Need personal data on both. Have only names and "hand-me-down" family story. Thanks Bob TX

Hi Bob and List members, Wow! this is just exactly what I wanted. Because of copyrights I need to ask if I may use your email exactly as it is with of course your private address removed... on my website. I believe I'll head it as Hessian Soldier - Myth and Truth! "The Hessian Mercenaries" What the unknowing call the "Hülfstruppen" or "Auxillary Troops." I would then copy paste the entire email below this.. Please do understand that I do not call them "Mercenaries"...LOL I learned that from the list and John. I do know that not enough people understand the difference.. that's one of the reasons for this enquiry... Thank you so much Nelda descendant of Johann Jacob Bonstein a Hessian soldier Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG Beatty #005 & #10; Graves #231 & #105 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/

Susan and list, My GGGgf Conrad Luther, Hessian Soldier, is still after Years of research, still a myth. No concrete data has turned up, only the family stories and a small 1850's newspaper interview of a neighbor and also a early, 1796 settler of our area, that said he was a Hessian soldier. His ''Old Hessian friend''When he signed his Oath of Alleg in 1782 he also said he deserted the enemy line in 1778. Data from Erfurt Germany also said he and some bros went to Amerika to fight in the Rev War. No Hessian records we have found list his name but we are still pursuing this ''Myth'' M Jean Sharbaugh

Susan, today a very interesting posting came through on the Amrev-Hessians mail list by Bob Brooks, worth reading. You got the address! Good luck, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan King" <susanking@carolina.rr.com> To: "John Merz" <hessian@sympatico.ca> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 12:24 PM Subject: Re: Hessian Soldier - Myth and Truth! > John, > > I've worked on genealogy nearly every day for the past ten years, so I don't > like being a newbie in this aspect, but if my Waggoner ancestor was indeed a > Hessian, I'll work and learn until I eventually figure it out. Thanks for > your kindness and help! > > Susan

Nelda -- I am sure there is something in the archives which would answer your question; however, I'll take a fresh cut.. First, many on this list take offense that these troops are called "mercenaries" for, with few exceptions, they were not -- the principal exceptions being "3. englisch-waldeckisches Soldregiment" from Waldeck and the 2,000 recruits rasied by Colonel von Scheither with served in British regiments. The preferred word in German is "Hülfstruppen" or "Auxillary Troops." The governments of the German states hired out units from their standing armies to serve in America. In a modern analogy, think of the situation as if the United States "hired" a bunch of regiments from other countries and deployed them assist in a military action in a country on the other side of the world. For example, guess who paid for the ROK troops in Vietnam. The soldiers were not mercenaries -- they simply were serving their government and going where sent. The auxilary soldiers were paid by their governments but their governments were paid far more than their costs. These "profits" from hiring their troops was the motivation to supply troops and generated the income necessary to payoff large state debts. Each state provided replacement troops for those killed, invalided, or deserted. These replacements joined annually and I would estimate that close to one-third of all the German troops who served in North America came as replacement troops. For example, The 1782 transport of replacements comprised 2,018 officers and men, 112 women and 33 children and they only made it as far as Halifax, except for the 247 Ansbach-Bayreuth and 227 Brunswick replacements (including servants and women) who were sent to Penobscot. The majority of the German soldiers were not conscripted; however, towards the end of the war the manpower pool dried up and there doubtless was some conscription. The story which has been propagated over time of young men being dragged from their homes and shipped to America is an exception to what normally had happened. My limited research indicates that of the initial cadre deployed in 1776, at least three-quarters of them had served in their regiments for over a year. Remember, the previous peace was 1763 so serving in a standing regiment was good pay for little work; consequenty, there were proverbial waiting lines of men wanting join the standing regiments. There are two arguments as to why all the Germans soldiers were called "Hessians." For a frame of reference, think of a Hessian as relating to Germany as a Virginian would relate to America. First, there were almost 30,000 German troops deployed during the war of which about 60% were from Hesse-Cassel. The simple fact that the majority were true Hessians certainly contributed to all being called "Hessians." There were six different states which provided auxillary troops: 1776 to New York Hesse-Cassel 15 regiments infantry, 4 battalions grenadier, artillery, & Jägers Waldeck 1 regiment infantry (non-native mercenaries) 1776 to Canada Brunswick [Braunschweig] 5 regiments infantry, 1 battalion dragoons, & Artillery Hesse-Hanau infantry, artillery, & Jägers 1777 to New York Ansbach-Bayreuth 2 regiments infantry, artillery, & Jägers 1778 to Canada Anhalt-Zerbst 1 regiment infantry (I did this list from memory so apologize in advance for any errors) The exact number of troops supplied by each state is controversial so from memory I give some very approximate numbers here: 18,000-19,000 Hesse-Cassel 5,000- 6,000 Brunswick 2,500- 3,000 Ansbach-Bayreuth 1,500- 2,000 Hesse-Hanau 1,000- 1,500 Waldeck 600- 700 Anhalt-Zerbst The second argument is that in the United States in 1776, the Germans were ALL Hessians (counting their Waldeck "cousins" as Hessians). All of the 1,000 men captured at Trenton were Hessians from Hesse-Cassel. It wasn't until the Ansbach-Bayreuth troops arrived in New York in 1777 that non-Hessian German troops were deployed. Among those troops surrendering with Burgoyne in Oct 1777 at Saratoga were troops from Brunswick and Hesse-Hanau. As part of the Convention Army they would be marched to Virginia in 1778-1779 so, with the exception of the troops from Anhalt-Zerbst, deserters from all the other continguents will be found throughout the original 13 United States. Bob Brooks ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelda Percival To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 2:23 PM Subject: RE: [HESSIAN] Hessian Soldier - Myth and Truth! Dear John, I was wondering if there was something on line/in archives (somewhere) that explained the difference between what we (like me) uneduicated descendants, knew of the term "Hessian"... In my experience that meant a German soldier who fought for the English King and was paid... like the term mercinary. But, I have learned from this list and primarly you that the term Hessian meant a soldier from Hessia/Kassel.... The money that was paid was paid to the Prince not the soldier.... <<clip>>Thanks Nelda

Dear John, I was wondering if there was something on line/in archives (somewhere) that explained the difference between what we (like me) uneduicated descendants, knew of the term "Hessian"... In my experience that meant a German soldier who fought for the English King and was paid... like the term mercinary. But, I have learned from this list and primarly you that the term Hessian meant a soldier from Hessia/Kassel.... The money that was paid was paid to the Prince not the soldier.... I would like to add a section to the Bonstein history section of my website, explaining the difference between the terms.. and naming the different troops and where they were from. Can you help so that I get it right.. I do have a part that explans about it not being a country of Germany but, a group of Piincipalities.... I will also add the information about your mailing list... Thanks Nelda Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG Beatty #005 & #10; Graves #231 & #105 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/

Hi Janet, JSHA Journal 2/2 (1981) pages 4-15 - last name mentioned on it Johannes ZULAUF (ancestor of Rev.Nelson Sulouff - subscriber to this list) Cheers, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Small" <smallj@hypertech.net> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 8:55 AM Subject: RE: [HESSIAN] 1780 Work List > The Konrad Beetz mentioned below is 'my' Conrad Betz who did desert and > joined the American forces under Count Von Ottendorf. Conrad bought land in > Franklin Co., VA in 1791. He remained there until his death Nov. 6 1829. I > would like to know the relationship between Conrad and Wilhelm; both their > names are on more than one reference, suggesting some relationship. > > If anyone knows the date of JSHA Journal quoted before, I would like to be > able to locate at least a copy of the pertinent page. > > Janet Small > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hazel Pflueger [mailto:pflueger@chaffee.net] > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 8:55 PM > > The Composite List of German Prisoners of War Located At The New Goal > > -- Philadelphia 1779-1782 published in the JSHA Journal (sorry I don't > > have the date) lists two possible names that might be of interest to > > you: > > > > 19. Beetz, Konrad, Knyphausen Co. 3, no place of birth listed, POW > > LIsts A-23, B-23, > > Disposition 6 (unknown -- most likely killed or deserted) Note > > follows that says he might be Kaspar Beetz in KNY Co. 4 -- Could not > > identify with Hetrina) > > > > 20. Beitz, Wilhelm, Knyphausen Co. 1, No place of birth, POW List D-35. > > > > Regarding the plan, I assume you to mean citizenship by either joining > > the Continental Army, paying 60-80 lbs. (can't remember the exact sum) > > or becoming indentured to one who would pay the sum for the Hessian > > soldier. It is my understanding that this was a degree (law?) made by > > the Continental Congress and would have applied to all prisoners. > > > > I'm in the process of moving now and my sources are packed. > > > > Hazel Pflueger > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=amrev-hessians > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > This list was started by Johannes Helmut Merz, Hessian researcher. >

The Konrad Beetz mentioned below is 'my' Conrad Betz who did desert and joined the American forces under Count Von Ottendorf. Conrad bought land in Franklin Co., VA in 1791. He remained there until his death Nov. 6 1829. I would like to know the relationship between Conrad and Wilhelm; both their names are on more than one reference, suggesting some relationship. If anyone knows the date of JSHA Journal quoted before, I would like to be able to locate at least a copy of the pertinent page. Janet Small > -----Original Message----- > From: Hazel Pflueger [mailto:pflueger@chaffee.net] > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 8:55 PM > The Composite List of German Prisoners of War Located At The New Goal > -- Philadelphia 1779-1782 published in the JSHA Journal (sorry I don't > have the date) lists two possible names that might be of interest to > you: > > 19. Beetz, Konrad, Knyphausen Co. 3, no place of birth listed, POW > LIsts A-23, B-23, > Disposition 6 (unknown -- most likely killed or deserted) Note > follows that says he might be Kaspar Beetz in KNY Co. 4 -- Could not > identify with Hetrina) > > 20. Beitz, Wilhelm, Knyphausen Co. 1, No place of birth, POW List D-35. > > Regarding the plan, I assume you to mean citizenship by either joining > the Continental Army, paying 60-80 lbs. (can't remember the exact sum) > or becoming indentured to one who would pay the sum for the Hessian > soldier. It is my understanding that this was a degree (law?) made by > the Continental Congress and would have applied to all prisoners. > > I'm in the process of moving now and my sources are packed. > > Hazel Pflueger >

Hazel, if you are researching Pflueger, will you contact me off list please? Ingrid sammyb555@wv-cis.net

On Sep 19, 2004, at 8:54 AM, SEANOR2@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone have access to the Hessian word list dates December 1, > 1780. I > would like to know if any BAETZ, BETZ and or BETHTEL names appear on > the > list. Any information about these names would be greatly > appreciated. If no one > has this list does anyone know where I might locate it. > > Also, does anyone know if the plan that was offered to the Hessians in > Virginia was also offered to the Hessians in Reading and Lancaster? > > Bob McCabe > Chicago, IL > Bob, The Composite List of German Prisoners of War Located At The New Goal -- Philadelphia 1779-1782 published in the JSHA Journal (sorry I don't have the date) lists two possible names that might be of interest to you: 19. Beetz, Konrad, Knyphausen Co. 3, no place of birth listed, POW LIsts A-23, B-23, Disposition 6 (unknown -- most likely killed or deserted) Note follows that says he might be Kaspar Beetz in KNY Co. 4 -- Could not identify with Hetrina) 20. Beitz, Wilhelm, Knyphausen Co. 1, No place of birth, POW List D-35. Regarding the plan, I assume you to mean citizenship by either joining the Continental Army, paying 60-80 lbs. (can't remember the exact sum) or becoming indentured to one who would pay the sum for the Hessian soldier. It is my understanding that this was a degree (law?) made by the Continental Congress and would have applied to all prisoners. I'm in the process of moving now and my sources are packed. Hazel Pflueger

Hi: I couldn't find this book on eBay or abebooks. Is it still for sale? Everett Spees Oops! should have been http://www.abebooks.com -- Bob Brooks ----- Original Message ----- From: John Merz To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:51 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Major Baurmeister of the Hessian Forces. Hello Hessians; Many times during the existence of this mail list, which is quite a few years, the Journal of Major Baurmeister, translated by Bernhard A. Uhlendorf, has been mentioned as an important source of information. I myself have quoted from it numerous times, and truly, I have always considered it one of the best books telling the Hessian story during the American Revolution. This is why I am a bit surprised to see this book offered on eBay with only two days to go, and only one bid on it so far. I did suspect that not very many of you subscribers (330) are really interested in books, and not willing to pay a fair price for such a gem, and this is one of the reasons why I am so reluctant to put my own good books for sale on eBay, because so many times there is no interest for books on the American Revolution. Just this evening the time had run out on a small book which I had listed on Pensacola, and I had to relist it, again costing me a new listing fee. I am not complaining, just realistically assessing the situation. Cheers, John Merz ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== Please stick to our published subject - Hessian Soldiers of the American Revolution, not WWII or the Civil War. No other Immigrants. http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=amrev-hessians One more tip - do not use signature lines (with names) when posting.

Dear subscribers so much interested in the Hessian soldiers in your County - Thanks to the PML Service of the Rootsweb mailing lists, I have seen in the last few hours a number of postings going over your list. Here in the last one I see the name of one of my own subscribers, Earlene Babcock, mentioned, who did research her ancestor Henrich LILLER and wrote a book about her Hessian ancestry. Personally I am surprised that there exists so much confusion about these German auxiliary troops who were send over by the British king to fight the uprising in America. There are countless books written about it, and there are hundreds of thousands descendants of those Hessians who remained in America after the Revolution. I would suggest that whoever is interested should read up in the mail list archives of my mail list AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com you'll find at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L (month by month) or http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=amrev-hessians With my best wishes, John Helmut Merz > Source: MDALLEGA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MDALLEGA] Hessians in Allegany Co. > > Well, it seems besides my Sullivan line of questions and mines. That another > ancestor came from the Hessians and settled in Hampshire Co. Va/WV along > Patterson Creek. This would be my Liller descendants. Much has been written by a > woman named Earlene Babcock who published a family genealogy book on the > Lillers....the book is in the Moorefield library. She has an email thru the > Hardy/Hamphire rootswebsite. > > Tracy >

Forwarded to the mail list which may have the right answers :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Faye Costarell" <faye2costarell@yahoo.com> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 2:58 PM > ================================ > Source: MDALLEGA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MDALLEGA] Hessians in Allegany Co. > > I don't know about Hessians in Allegany County, in particular, but have read that George Washington's philosophy was to treat these mercinaries with kindness and respect when they were captured. Many decided to remain in the U. S. after the Revolutionary War. > > Also, keep in mind that there was great controversy over the northern MD border before the Mason-Dixon line was drawn, and they could have been residents of PA or MD even prior to the war. Some came to America long afterward, during the 1800s. > > Susan King <susanking@carolina.rr.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > Wondering if anyone out there knows much about Hessian mercenaries in > Allegany Co., MD?? I'm sure some didn't leave a paper trail, but I've heard > that some others actually received land. I'd appreciate anything anyone can > tell me about this. > > Thanks. > > Susan King > (in NC) > > ==== MDALLEGA Mailing List ==== > USGENWEB page for Allegany County, MD > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdallegh/