John, I don't think you need be concerned about the lesser numbers lately. Fall is best time for many to vacation , prepare for winter , yard work. etc.Also the ladies may be getting their heads together for the holidays . There is just so much else going on right now or many have hit that "brick" wall again. Mary Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Merz" <hessian@sympatico.ca> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 6:07 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] After-Election report - yeah! > Hello dear subscribers of this Hessian soldier's list; > > I just got the latest Digest version of this list, it had two > postings, both came from me, one was a forward of > some message from another list, which I thought may > be of interest to our readers, and the other was the > announcement that Fred Ringer's last newsletter arrived. > > While looking at this Digest, which also gives you the > click-on addresses for our archives, to make it real easy > for Digest subscribers to check out older postings, I did > just that, and I noticed something real baaaaad, and since > your attention is not on the Presidential election anymore, > and you need to have a new focus - do your family research! > > At this point in time we have 242 subscribers getting every > single message, plus we have 100 (yes exactly 100) who are > getting the Digest version. It adds up to 342 subscribers, or > 340 besides me, because I get both the -L and the -D versions. > > These are the numbers of postings, and this is what really > disturbs me: > > June 2004 - 231 postings > July 2004 - 90 postings > Aug. 2004 - 83 postings > Sep. 2004 - 59 postings > Oct. 2004 - 36 postings > Nov. so far - 16 postings. > > This makes me wonder if you all have solved your riddles, > found your roots, have no more questions to ask, are just > happy the way things are, there is nothing new you have > found recently, no reunions, no travel reports, no new > discoveries, and if this is the case, > > I may as well give it up too. > Or someone is interested enough to take over as > administrator (I asked Jane once she couldn't do it) > Think about it, > Cheers, > John Merz. > retired (and tired) Hessian researcher. > > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > Mail List archives are your best bet to find information, try > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=amrev-hessians > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > >

I am still reading every word of this list and referring back to the archives every time I get a new tidbit of info! I need this list! And I suspect most, if not all, of the subscribers do too. I am trying to sort out conflicting information about the two Konrad Baetz/Conrad Betz soldiers to determine which info belongs to my Conrad who settled in Franklin Co VA by 1791 (or earlier by some reports). Thank you for all you have done and are still doing, John. Janet Small > -----Original Message----- > From: John Merz [mailto:hessian@sympatico.ca] > Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 8:07 PM > I may as well give it up too. > Or someone is interested enough to take over as > administrator (I asked Jane once she couldn't do it) > Think about it, > Cheers, > John Merz. > retired (and tired) Hessian researcher.

> > It adds up to 342 subscribers, or >340 besides me, because I get both the -L and the -D versions. > >These are the numbers of postings, and this is what really >disturbs me: > >June 2004 - 231 postings >July 2004 - 90 postings >Aug. 2004 - 83 postings >Sep. 2004 - 59 postings >Oct. 2004 - 36 postings >Nov. so far - 16 postings. > >This makes me wonder if you all have solved your riddles, >found your roots, have no more questions to ask, are just >happy the way things are, there is nothing new you have >found recently, no reunions, no travel reports, no new >discoveries, and if this is the case, "My reply : John, I think this happened before with activity slowing down in the fall and early winter. It has nothing to do with the election, in my opinion. Most likely it is what is going on at the time in people's lives. I have done virtually no genealogy in the past few months. I was away for 5 long weekends in Sept. and Oct....much needed vacation and nothing to do about genealogy. Now I am putting my garden into shape for winter, raking leaves, etc. The holidays are approaching with social activities and that annual Christmas shopping. I do read all the posts. We have uncovered nothing new about Gottlieb Westfall/Westphall. His brother Heinrich/Henry is being extremely elusive. I am kind of stuck as to just where to look. And no one seems to have contacted the list about him. My cousin and I have tried to update our line with the census to try and find someone else who is living and has an interest. Except for George Westfall and Pat Brandon, I don't think we have anyone else on the list who is interested in our Westfall line. I am sure there are Westfall researchers as shown by Westfall genforum and other lists. But many of those are the Westfalls from Netherlands/Holland/Dutch who mostly settled in NY state. And unfortunately some person or persons who posted information at various sites have made comments that all Westfalls belong to the same family and are most likely connected with a Jurian or Simeon Westfall. I believe this to be a mistake that has managed to be perpetuated. So do not be discouraged. Take some R&R, and I think activity will pick up after the New Year. As you keep telling people, the archives have loads of information. Maybe some people have finally gotten the message and are reading them. :"Cuz" Peggy Lyte Tyrrell

I am researching Heinrich (Henry) Bitter, who according to my grandfather, was a Hessian soldier who fought under Cornwallis. He settled in Hopewell Twp, New Jersey and in 1781 married Elizabeth Sailor (b. 2/24/1761, d/o Zachariah and Mary Sailor), Henry and Elizabeth had 12 children. After his first wife died, he married a widow, Phebe (Davis) Fithian, who was a neighbor of his. Henry purchased 82 acres plus a 3 acre piece of meadow along the Cohansey Creek from Moses Veal in 1818 for $1,400. Henry died June 11, 1832 and is buried in the Broad Street Presbyterian cemetery, Bridgeton, NJ. In his will he left among other things, 6 volumes of Scott's commentaries on the Bible with three other books--Psalm book, Confession of Faith and Cases of Conscience. I have searched the archives and did not find any information on Henry although I did see information on a Arnold Bitter who settled in Pennsylvania. I am interested in verifying that Henry really was a Hessian soldier. What regiment he was with and where in Germany he came from. Carolyn Bartee

Hello dear subscribers of this Hessian soldier's list; I just got the latest Digest version of this list, it had two postings, both came from me, one was a forward of some message from another list, which I thought may be of interest to our readers, and the other was the announcement that Fred Ringer's last newsletter arrived. While looking at this Digest, which also gives you the click-on addresses for our archives, to make it real easy for Digest subscribers to check out older postings, I did just that, and I noticed something real baaaaad, and since your attention is not on the Presidential election anymore, and you need to have a new focus - do your family research! At this point in time we have 242 subscribers getting every single message, plus we have 100 (yes exactly 100) who are getting the Digest version. It adds up to 342 subscribers, or 340 besides me, because I get both the -L and the -D versions. These are the numbers of postings, and this is what really disturbs me: June 2004 - 231 postings July 2004 - 90 postings Aug. 2004 - 83 postings Sep. 2004 - 59 postings Oct. 2004 - 36 postings Nov. so far - 16 postings. This makes me wonder if you all have solved your riddles, found your roots, have no more questions to ask, are just happy the way things are, there is nothing new you have found recently, no reunions, no travel reports, no new discoveries, and if this is the case, I may as well give it up too. Or someone is interested enough to take over as administrator (I asked Jane once she couldn't do it) Think about it, Cheers, John Merz. retired (and tired) Hessian researcher.

Peggy; My apologies for getting of the subject of Hessian Soldiers but my late mother lived down the street from a Peggy Tyrell in El Segundo, California. Any Relation? -----Original Message----- From: peggyt <peggyt@early.com> Sent: Nov 11, 2004 8:02 PM To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] After-Election report - yeah! > > It adds up to 342 subscribers, or >340 besides me, because I get both the -L and the -D versions. > >These are the numbers of postings, and this is what really >disturbs me: > >June 2004 - 231 postings >July 2004 - 90 postings >Aug. 2004 - 83 postings >Sep. 2004 - 59 postings >Oct. 2004 - 36 postings >Nov. so far - 16 postings. > >This makes me wonder if you all have solved your riddles, >found your roots, have no more questions to ask, are just >happy the way things are, there is nothing new you have >found recently, no reunions, no travel reports, no new >discoveries, and if this is the case, "My reply : John, I think this happened before with activity slowing down in the fall and early winter. It has nothing to do with the election, in my opinion. Most likely it is what is going on at the time in people's lives. I have done virtually no genealogy in the past few months. I was away for 5 long weekends in Sept. and Oct....much needed vacation and nothing to do about genealogy. Now I am putting my garden into shape for winter, raking leaves, etc. The holidays are approaching with social activities and that annual Christmas shopping. I do read all the posts. We have uncovered nothing new about Gottlieb Westfall/Westphall. His brother Heinrich/Henry is being extremely elusive. I am kind of stuck as to just where to look. And no one seems to have contacted the list about him. My cousin and I have tried to update our line with the census to try and find someone else who is living and has an interest. Except for George Westfall and Pat Brandon, I don't think we have anyone else on the list who is interested in our Westfall line. I am sure there are Westfall researchers as shown by Westfall genforum and other lists. But many of those are the Westfalls from Netherlands/Holland/Dutch who mostly settled in NY state. And unfortunately some person or persons who posted information at various sites have made comments that all Westfalls belong to the same family and are most likely connected with a Jurian or Simeon Westfall. I believe this to be a mistake that has managed to be perpetuated. So do not be discouraged. Take some R&R, and I think activity will pick up after the New Year. As you keep telling people, the archives have loads of information. Maybe some people have finally gotten the message and are reading them. :"Cuz" Peggy Lyte Tyrrell ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== Our mail list archives: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=amrev-hessians http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L Founded by John Helmut Merz, Hessian soldier researcher. His Canadian research material is deposited with the Marilyn Adams Genealogical Research Centre, Ameliasburg, Ontario.

Hello Hessians; For many years now, Mr. Fred Ringer of Victorville, California, has been the editor of the 'RINGER' newsletter, and kept all the descendants of this Hessian soldier informed about activities and happy or unhappy events in that 'big family'. Every year he mailed a copy of his report to me, and last year at Christmas time, he thanked me for my support (see archives). This year he informed me and all others, that this will be his last newsletter, that he will be resigning and he is looking for someone within his many 'cousins' ro take over this rewarding job. I herewith want to thank Fred Ringer for his dedication and his efforts to honour his Hessian ancestor and to keep his memory alive. Perhaps I could encourage him to donate his material to the S.A.R Library in Kentucky, to help future family researchers to find their roots. Best wishes and happy retirement, John Helmut Merz, (btw. George Ringer was the son of the Hessian Johann Michael Ringer)

Forwarded to the AMREV-HESSIANS list ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed St.Germain" <Patriot1@AmericanRevolution.org> To: <hessian@sympatico.ca> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 10:07 PM > ================================ > Source: SAR-TALK-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: chance of a lifetime > > > If you've ever been to Colonial Williamsburg, you may have seen the movie > they show in the visitor center. > > That movie was shot in the early 1950's, and is still going strong. > > Now Mount Vernon wants to do one. > > So if you want to have your grandchildren point you out in a movie to your > great-grandchildren when they take them to Mount Vernon fifty years from > now, note well the following (needless to say, "polyesters" need not apply): > > "Mount Vernon is producing a new short film on the life of George > Washington, "Father Of His Country" for their new visitors center. Directed > by Ron Maxwell ("Gettysburg", "Gods & Generals"), the project will be > filming in Virginia the first two weeks of February and again at the end of > April / beginning of May. > > To apply, go to this website: > http://www.FatherOfHisCountry.com > > There are parts for both military and civilian reenactors / living > historians. The largest scene in the winter shoot will be a re-creation of > the Battle of Trenton, being filmed the weekend of February 5-6 in Yorktown, > VA. > > We are looking for approximately 200 reenactors with early War Continental > and/or and Virginia militia impressions for the Trenton scenes. This is > PAID WORK. The pay will be based on a "gear bump" system - those who have > authentic clothing /uniforms and weaponry will receive a higher rate of pay > than those who do not have gear. > > The Director also wants approximately 150 Hessians in the Trenton battle. As > there aren't this many reenactors doing a Hessian impression in the whole > USA, this will be a challenge (to say the least!) and wardrobe will > inevitably have to be provided. However, if anyone is interested in > developing a Hessian impression for the film, we are putting together some > potential package deals, workshops, etc to make this more tenable for those > who are interested. > > Civilian scenes will include the Virginia House of Burgesses & Continental > Congress, where we're seeking look-alikes for various historical personages, > and a couple of large street scenes being shot in the Spring. > > The spring shoot will feature the surrender at Yorktown (approximately 500 > reenactors needed), the French & Indian War Battle of Monongahela > ("Braddock's Defeat") and the scene at Newburgh, NY where Continental > officers tried to persuade Washington to be king -- so the more folks with > officer impressions as we can round up, the better. > > There is LIMITED wardrobe available so we are looking for people who have > some if not ALL the right gear. Those with correct uniforms and/or gear > will receive a bonus, according to what it is you have and what of it can be > used. We would also be interested in renting same from you should you have > extra equippage. > > To participate, you need to send us a photo, preferably of you in your 18th > century clothing. On the website, you can upload up to 5 photographs showing > different impressions. If you don't have digital copies of your photos or > have access to a scanner, you can also mail photos and your resume to: > > Piedmont Films > Attn:Russ Richards-Historical Entertainment > 508 Kendrick Lane > Front Royal VA. 22630 > > Best wishes, > Kathryn Coombs > Deputy CEO / Historical Entertainment, LLC > Civilian Coordinator"

Hello Everett, if nobody contacted you yet concerning your question, it's probably because your subject line was looking for Mueller, Wirth, etc. and not for SAR Louisville, Kentucky. My contact person is Howard Horne, former President of SAR, a subscriber of this list, and Mr. Richard Austin, head librarian of S.A.R.Library in Louisville, his e-mail is rsaustin@erols.com Hope this helps, Regards John Helmut Merz Hamilton, Ontario, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: <Ekshae@aol.com> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Many Mueller, Wirth, Winter, Rev War Hessians > John: > > Maybe I missed an earlier email announcement, but how do we email, snailmail, > or phone the Hessian contact person at the SAR Library in Louisville, KY? > > Thanks. Everett Spees >

John: Maybe I missed an earlier email announcement, but how do we email, snailmail, or phone the Hessian contact person at the SAR Library in Louisville, KY? Thanks. Everett Spees

Continued: 97 MUELLER, Karl W200378C Born 1761 in Thalitter, Darmstadt, and according to an 1804 roster he was then 45 years old. Evangelical. Sailed to America with the regiment in 1776 as free corporal in the 4th Company. He was promoted to ensign with a date of rank of 15 April 1779, and continued to serve throughout the war in the 4th Company. He returned to Germany with the regiment in 1783. As a major, he was the godfather for Friedrich Wilmowsky's 2nd son in June 1802. He sailed to the Cape of Good Hope as a lieutenant colonel in the 5th Waldeck Battalion, in Dutch service, in 1802, and upon the death of Colonel Wilmowsky, assumed command of the battalion- His service in the Waldeck army included 4 years 1 month as a free corporal; 3 years 10 months as an ensign; 9 l/2 months as a 2nd lieutenant; 9 years 1 month as a 1st lieutenant; and 6 years 2 months in various roles of captain; 2 years 8 months as major; his date of rank as lieutenant colonel was 16 July 1802. In June 1806 he was a prisoner of war of the English forces in South Africa. The 5th Battalion apparently departed from South Africa in 1806. He had also served during the Wars of the First Coalition in the mid-1790s. MUELLER, Kaspar W200335 Born 1755 in Haarbach, Darmstadt. Evangelical. 5'4 3/4" tall. Sailed to America with the regiment in 1776 as private in the 3rd Company. Taken prisoner at Baton Rouge on 21 September 1779, he deserted from prisoner status at New Orleans on 15 July 1780. He had 2 years' previous military experience in the Waldeck 1st Regiment. MUELLER, Konrad W200083 Born 1751 in Armsfeld (W). Evangelical. Locksmith by trade. Sailed to America with the regiment in 1776 as private in the 1st Company. Taken prisoner at Baton Rouge on 21 September 1779, he deserted from prisoner status at New Orleans on 20 July 1780. He had 4 years' previous military experience in the Waldeck army. MUELLER, Ludwig W200679 Date and manner of joining the regiment are uncertain, but by April 1779 he was a private in the 4th Company. He boarded the Santa Rosalia on 29 May 1781 to return to New York after the capitulation of Pensacola. He returned to Germany with the regiment and was released at Korbach (W) on 16 October 1783. MUELLER, Nikolaus W200206 Born 1744 in Ehrbach, Odenwald. Evangelical. Cooper by trade. Married with 1 child. Sailed to America with the regiment in 1776 as private in the 2nd Company. He was transferred to the 4th Company in December 1779, and back to the 2nd Company in June 1782. He returned to Germany with the regiment and was released at Korbach (W) on 21 October 1783. He had 6 years' previous military experience in Holland, probably in a Waldeck unit. 98 MUELLER, Nikolaus W200694 Born in Eckenrad, Fulda. Sailed to America with the 1778 recruit shipment and was assigned as private in the 1st Company. Taken prisoner at Baton Rouge on 21 September 1779, he died of illness on 9 October 1779. MUELLER, Philipp W200084 Born 1746 in Billinghausen (W). Evangelical. Sailed to America with the regiment in 1776 as private in the 1st Company. He was promoted to corporal in 1777. Taken prisoner at Baton Rouge on 21 September 1779, he returned to duty in January 1782. He was promoted to captain at arms in June 1782, and apparently returned to Germany with the regiment in 1783. ================== WIRTH, Christian W200978 Born in Geschwind, Limburg. Sailed to America with the 1781 recruit shipment and was assigned as private in the 3rd Company. He died of illness at Newtown on 11 April 1782. WIRTHS, Franz Philipp W200376C WIRTHS, Franz Philipp xii Born 1757 in Thalitter, Darmstadt. Evangelical. Sailed to America with the regiment in 1776 as quartermaster sergeant in the 4th Company. He was promoted to sergeant in April 1779. He boarded the Santa Rosalia on 29 May 1781 to return to New York after the capitulation of Pensacola. He was commissioned an ensign in March 1782. He was transferred to the 3rd Company in August 1782, and returned to Germany with the regiment in 1783. He had 2 years' previous military experience in Holland, probably in a Waldeck unit. In 1802 he was a captain commanding the 1st Company of the 5th Battalion, and sailed to the Cape of Good Hope with the battalion. He retired in mid-August 1804 and apparently returned to Germany. ============= Wuertz = Wirths =========== 1781. Jaeger Peter Paul Wirths Wirths, Gerdruth, nee Schumacher, wife of Jaeger Peter Paul Wirths, of Prueschenck's Company, gave birth on 30 December 1777 at Philadelphia; and again on 17 September 1781 at New York. ================== Benz, Marian, (widow Winter), of Fuerth, wife of Jaeger Georg Adam Benz, gave birth 15 May 1783 at Penobscot. ======= Private Martin Winter from Wisbaden Winter, Sophia, of Stade, wife of Private Martin Winter from Wisbaden (possibly Wiesbaden), of Major Rauschenplat's Company, married him on 4 January 1783. She was the widow of a Brunswick soldier name Buhlmann or Puhlmann. ============ WALDECK SOLDIERS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTIONARY WAR (Note: in my GUIDE to help you find your Hessian Soldierlisted as Source #141)

Thank you, Barry, for your kind offer of mailing CD to interested Hessian researchers. Bruce Burgoyne's research material has gone or is going to the S.A.R. Library in Louisville, Kentucky (so I have been told), and mine has gone to the same institution, meaning that I have retired from Hessian AmRev soldier's research, although I am still running this mail list. Will bring your posting in two parts, this being part 1: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Wetherington" <cbarrfly@comcast.net> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 5:40 PM Subject: Many Mueller Wirth Winter Rev War Hessians Fm CD Heritage Books Collection Vol 1, Bruce E Burgoyne I know nothing more - thought there were refs for me (see Muellers below) - none. If the Hessian-L ListHost (or other Hessian researcher) will send me a pre addressed & stamped env, I'll send the CD in box free. Barry Wetherington Barry Wetherington PO Box 1208 Birmingham MI 48012 248-792-2109 msg 248-563-2577 cel cbarrfly@comcast.net cbarrfly@yahoo.com cbarrywether@hotmail.com cbarrfly@gmail.com MUELLER, Alexander W200827 Born in Holzhausen, Pyrmont, and baptized on 29 May 1750. Father - Alexander M. Sailed to America with the 1779 recruit shipment and was assigned as private in the 4th Company. He deserted on 13 May 1781, after the fall of Pensacola, and may have joined the Spanish army. 94 MUELLER, Andreas W201048 Sailed to America with the 1782 recruit shipment. Assigned as private in the 5th Company. Apparently returned to Germany with unit in 1783. MUELLER, August, Jr. w100021 Sailed to America with the 1782 recruit shipment, having been commissioned an ensign in January 1782, and was assigned to the 5th Company. He apparently returned to Germany with his unit in 1783. MUELLER, Barthold W2009 16 Sailed to America with the 1781 recruit shipment and was assigned as private in the 3rd Company. In July 1782 he was transferred to the 5th Company. He returned to Germany with the regiment and was released at Korbach (W) on 18 October 1783. MUELLER, Christian W200571 Born 1753 in Muehlhausen (W). Evangelical. Smith by trade. Sailed to America with the regiment in 1776 as private in the 5th Company. Taken prisoner at Baton Rouge on 21 September 1779, he died of illness at New Orleans on 28 October 1779. He had 4 years' previous military experience in the Waldeck army. MUELLER, Christian W200645 Date and manner of joining the regiment are uncertain, but by April 1779 he was a private in the 1st Company. Taken prisoner at Baton Rouge on 21 September 1779, he returned to duty in January 1782. He apparently returned to Germany with the regiment in 1783. MUELLER, Christian W201162 Sailed to America with the 1781 recruit shipment and was assigned as private in the 3rd Company. On 13 October 1781 he was taken prisoner while on duty at Paulus Hook, New Jersey, and returned to duty in August 1782. He returned to Germany with the regiment and was released at Korbach (W) on 19 October 1783. MUELLER, Christoph W200081 Born 1751 in Mandern (W). Evangelical. 5'4 l/2" tall. Sailed to America with the regiment in 1776 as private in the 1st Company. He died of illness in the hospital at Manchac on 28 July 1779. MUELLER, Christoph W200333 Born 1759 in Helsen (W). Evangelical. Sailed to America .with the regiment in 1776 as private in the 3rd Company. He died of illness on 2 September 1777. MUELLER, Daniel W200334 Born in 1760 in Armsfeld (W). Evangelical. Sailed to America with the regiment in 1776 as private in the 3rd Company. Taken prisoner at Baton Rouge on 21 September 1779, he transferred to the 5th Company in December 1779. He returned to duty in January 1782, and was transferred back to the 3rd Company in July 1782. He apparently returned to Germany with the regiment in 1783. 95 MUELLER, Daniel Christian W200203 Born 1756 in Schorbuch, Hesse. Reformed. Married. Sailed to America with the regiment in 1776 as private in the 2nd Company. Taken prisoner at Springfield, N.J., on 5 January 1777, he was sent to Philadelphia to be exchanged on 21 June 1778. He was transferred to the 4th Company in December 1779, and back to the 2nd Company in August 1782. On 5 December 1782 he was transferred to the Hesse Cassel Knyphausen Regiment from which he had deserted in Germany in 1776. MUELLER, Franz W200572 Born 1761 in Reitzenhagen (W). Evangelical. Sailed to America with the regiment in 1776 as private in the 5th Company. Taken prisoner at Baton Rouge on 21 September 1779, he deserted from prisoner status at New Orleans on 11 July 1780 and joined the Spanish army. He then deserted back to his regiment on 10 April 1781, from the Spanish army besieging Pensacola. In July 1782 he was transferred to the 3rd Company, and apparently returned to Germany with the regiment in 1783. MUELLER, Franz W200918 Sailed to America with the 1781 recruit shipment and was assigned as medic in the 3rd Company. In July 1782 he was transferred to the 1st Company, and apparently returned to Germany with the regiment in 1783. MUELLER, Friedrich W200573 Born 1748 in Buedingen, Ysenburg. Evangelical (also listed as Reformed). 5'4 l/2" tall. Paper maker 'by trade. Sailed to America with the regiment in 1776 as private in the 5th Company. Apparently taken prisoner at Baton Rouge on 21 September 1779, he deserted from prisoner status at New Orleans on 24 June 1780. He had 3 years and 3 months of previous military experience with the Waldeck 1st Regiment. MUELLER, Friedrich w201049 Born 1766 in Arolsen (W). Sailed to America with the 1782 recruit shipment as a free corporal and was assigned to the 5th Company. He returned to Germany with the regiment in 1783. He sailed to the Cape of Good Hope as the captain commanding the 2nd Company of the 5th Waldeck Battalion, then in Dutch service, in 1802. He had served 1 year 10 months as a free corporal, 8 years 11 months as a 2nd lieutenant, and 8 years 1 month as a 1st lieutenant prior to his promotion to captain on 18 May 1802. Wounded during the Wars of the First Coalition in the late eighteenth century, he was wounded again in the fighting in South Africa. MUELLER, Georg w200919 Sailed to America with the 1781 recruit shipment and was assigned as private in the 3rd Company. He returned to Germany with the regiment and was released at Korbach (W) on 20 October 1783. 96 MUELLER, Henrich W200204 Born 1756/57 in Sachsenhausen (W). Evangelical. 5'5" tall. Sailed to America with the regiment in 1776 as private in the 2nd Company. He was transferred to the 4th Company in December 1779, and back to the 2nd Company in June 1782. He apparently returned to Germany with the regiment in 1783. MUELLER, Henrich W200442 Born 1753 in Katzenfort, Braunfels. Cabinet maker by trade. Sailed to America with the regiment in 1776 as private in the 4th Company. He was wounded in the attack on Fort Washington on 16 November 1776, and deserted on 6 April 1777. MUELLER, Henrich Karl Christian W200080 Born 1753 in Korbach (W). Evangelical. Sailed to America with the regiment in 1776 as volunteer in the 1st Company. On 2 December 1776 he was released from the regiment. He joined the 3rd Company of the Hesse Cassel Donop Regiment as a free corporal in March 1777. He was transferred to the 2nd Company of that regiment in May 1778, and released in America in February 1779. MUELLER, Johann Peter W200443 Born 1755 in Ober Urff, Hesse. Evangelical. 5'3 3/4" tall. Sailed to America with the regiment in 1776 as private in the 4th Company. By April 1779 he had been promoted to corporal. He boarded the Santa Rosalia on 29 May 1781 to return to New York after the capitulation of Pensacola. He served throughout the war in the 4th Company, and was released at Flatbush on 15 July 1783. He had 4 years' previous military experience in Holland, probably in a Waldeck unit. MUELLER, Johannes W200205 Born 1753 in Schlitz, Goertz. Evangelical. Sailed to America with the regiment in 1776 as private in the 2nd Company. Taken prisoner at Springfield, New Jersey, on 5 January 1777, he deserted from prisoner status on 1 August 1778. MUELLER, Johannes W200674 Born in Gemmingen. Date and manner of joining the regiment are uncertain, but by April 1779 he was a private in the 3rd Company. He deserted at Pensacola on 1 April 1781. MUELLER, Karl W200082 Born 1752 in Korbach (W). Evangelical. Sailed to America with the regiment in 1776 as private in the 1st Company. He had deserted on 16 May 1776 but rejoined the regiment on 31 May. He was wounded in the fighting in New Jersey in January 1777, and taken prisoner at Baton Rouge on 21 September 1779. He died of illness, while in prisoner status, on 9 July 1780. He had 8 years' previous military experience in the Waldeck army. 97 To be continued

Imminently Threatened by Development: The LaGrange (Barczewski) farm in Glasgow, DE Christina School District and several private firms are aggressively attempting to purchase and then immediately develop the entire Barczewski farm (also known as the La Grange or Dr. Samuel Henry Black farm). Christina S. D. wants to buy almost 30% of the property, including the historic manor house and granary, so that a mega-school incorporating elementary and middle school facilities can be built. The Barczewski farm's 236 acres contain two documented Native American Indian camps, earthen works from the British and Hessian occupation of Aikentown (Glasgow), remnants of the Benjamin Latrobe feeder canal from 1804, and several structures on the National Register of Historic Places (Dr. Samuel Henry Black). General Lafayette named the farm "La Grange" while a visitor there in October 1824. The Federal US Censuses of 1810 and 1820 for DE/NCCo/Pencader Hundred, show that there were three FREE African-Americans (unnamed - husband, wife, and daughter) who were part of Dr. Samuel H. Black's household. The farm is located near the northwest corner of Routes U.S. 40 and Del. 896 in Glasgow (New Castle County, Pencader Hundred), and is comprised of a single tract of 236 acres. Approximately 100 acres are pastures, and approximately 136 acres are wooded. The Muddy Run creek and some of its tributaries run through and form the northern boundary of the property. This property contains the historic home and farm of Glasgow's early physician, University of DE trustee, and state politician, Dr. Samuel Henry Black. The land, however, had been farmed for over 100 years before Dr. Black acquired it. The property has a carefully restored historic home and preserved granary, each dating to 1815, and more recent barns and outbuildings dating to the property's days in the 1940s through 1960s as the West End Dairy farm. Other family names associated over time with this farm include Middleton, Frazier, Leasure, Congo, Cooch, and Veach. Dr. Samuel H. Black built the property's granary. The building incorporates consolidated storage and processing functions and wheeled vehicle access. This building is the earliest documented example of a drive-through granary of the type that was to become popular throughout the Northeastern U.S. in the mid-19th century. In July 1974, the large manor Federal period home and the granary were incorporated into the National Park Service's National Register of Historic Places (NRHP #74000601). Areas of NRHP significance of this property include Health/Medicine, Architecture, Social History, and Agriculture. In 1985, the La Grange granary was incorporated into the highly selective Historic American Buildings Survey (HABS) / Historic American Engineering Record (HAER) conducted by the US Department of the Interior and maintained by the US Library of Congress (Survey # HABS DE-216). There are two archeologist documented Native American encampment sites on the La Grange farm (the Butterworth and the Barczewski sites). These sites date from 10,000 BC to 6,500 BC. Many authentic Paleo-Indian and Early Archaic periods' arrow points, axe heads, and other stone implements have been found on the farm. In the farm's woods there are authenticated, intact remains of British and Hessian earthen trenches from the September 3, 1777, Revolutionary War battle of Cooch's bridge. The trenches run parallel to the remnants of a historic and ancient, but now abandoned road, of which the last remaining vestiges exist on the LaGrange Farm. The earthworks are also parallel Rt. 40 West from Glasgow, DE, to Elkton, MD, and face Iron Hill. There is also documented evidence on the farm of Benjamin Latrobe's venture to build a feeder canal in 1804 (New Castle County Historical Marker NC-59). The feeder canal remnants are intact. The canal was to be built from the Elk Creek to the Christiana River, with the ultimate goal of the canal connecting the Delaware and Chesapeake waterways. The project failed, however, because the state of Delaware ran out of money before the canal was completed. The remnants of the feeder canal run from Rt. 40 West through the La Grange farm. In 1996, Anne Barczewski was honored with a prestigious historic preservation award from the New Castle County Historic Preservation Review Board. The Board placed a protective Historic Zoning overlay upon the entire 236 acres of the La Grange farm. On June 27, 1997, Anne Barczewski told preservation advocates, "If it was my last word, my last breath, I'd say 'no' to a developer." If you would like to help protect this property from development and permanently preserve its historic, cultural, and natural resources for future generations, please contact The Friends of Historic Glasgow, ATTN: Nancy V. Willing, 5 Francis Circle, Newark, DE 19711. Telephone: (302) 366-1855. E-mail: historicglasgow@earthlink.net A petition focused on saving the Glasgow Historic Area, including the Barczewski farm, is located at http://www.ipetitions.com/campaigns/historicglasgowpark

Hi, My 5th g/gf was Phillip Hinkle (Hinckel) b. 1751 d. 1835 Greenbrier Co., WV. I agree with John, there were two Phillip's, but I believe the Massenheimer was b. 1751 and the Ruedigheimer born later. My Phillip married Barbary Vollmer. . In every regard, I defer to John. Good luck Butch Willard ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Merz" <hessian@sympatico.ca> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 12:18 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] records for the two Philipp Hinckel's? > Dear Mildred Clark, > > I have recently retired from my research work and transferred > my research material to the S.A.R. Library in Louisville, Ky. > Please check the mail list archives of the AMREV-HESSIANS > mail list for details. > > I do have three copies of my GUIDE left unsold, and also the > Personal Data Files for the Hinckel's on my computer hard drive, > which I still could print out if needed. > It will cost you US$15.00 plus $4.20 postage to get all this by > regular mail. This is a one time offer, when the Guide's are gone, > there will be no more from me, and first paid first orders come first. > (I still will have PDF's for certain names of Hessians at $10 a shot, > postage included) > Your personal check or money order will do fine, just mail to my address > > John H. Merz, > 703-350 Concession St., > Hamilton, Ontario, Canada > L9A 1B6 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mildred Clark > To: hessian@sympatico.ca > Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 10:03 AM > Subject: How do I order the guide and records for the two Philipp > Hinckel's? > > > Mr. Merz, > > I wrote to you regarding a posting: > Author: John Helmut Merz > Date: 01 Dec 1999 > There are actually two Hesse-Hanau soldiers with the name of > PHILIPP HINCKEL, > the first one born appr. 1754/55 at Massenheim served with the 1.Comp. of > the Regiment Erbprinz, > and the second one (PHILIP HINCKEL) born appr. 1750/51 at Ruedigheim > served > with the 4.Comp. of the Erbprinz. The younger* one deserted 20 June 1780 > from the POW camp at Albemarle County, VA., > and the older* one sold himself as hired hand on 16 Oct 1782 probably in > Pennsylvania around Reading or Lancaster. > > and I also emailed what I have collected for Philip Hinckel, of Bern Twp, > Berks Co, PA who married Catharine Medlar/Metler daughter of George (Jerg) > Michael Medlar and Mary Margaretha? Elizabeth ___ and moved with his > entire > family after 1790 to an area that later became Lausanne Twp, Northampton > Co, > PA and then, Carbon Co, PA. > > You responded: > Normally I would say - order my Guide and > the Personal Data Files for both the Philipp's, > but now I just give it to Jane Curci to process this > file. Perhaps she has to increase the message size > for this one, it's rather large. > Cheers, > John Merz > ---------------- > I was hoping you could use the information I sent to help verify the > information for: > Philipp Hinckel of Reading (Berks Co, PA). > > I will still need those Guide and Personal Data Files you have for both > the > Hessian Philipp's in order to verify my documentations to prove and > disprove. If you will send me what information I need to order the > Personal > Data Files and any other documentations, I would be most grateful. > > Mildred I. Clark > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe click on AMREV-HESSIANS-L-request@rootsweb.com > and write one single word unsubscribe in subject line and text field. > No other words or explanations or it won't work. > See our HESSIAN SOLDIER plaque - http://www.crbronzeworks.com/hessian/ >

Dear Mildred Clark, I have recently retired from my research work and transferred my research material to the S.A.R. Library in Louisville, Ky. Please check the mail list archives of the AMREV-HESSIANS mail list for details. I do have three copies of my GUIDE left unsold, and also the Personal Data Files for the Hinckel's on my computer hard drive, which I still could print out if needed. It will cost you US$15.00 plus $4.20 postage to get all this by regular mail. This is a one time offer, when the Guide's are gone, there will be no more from me, and first paid first orders come first. (I still will have PDF's for certain names of Hessians at $10 a shot, postage included) Your personal check or money order will do fine, just mail to my address John H. Merz, 703-350 Concession St., Hamilton, Ontario, Canada L9A 1B6 ----- Original Message ----- From: Mildred Clark To: hessian@sympatico.ca Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 10:03 AM Subject: How do I order the guide and records for the two Philipp Hinckel's? Mr. Merz, I wrote to you regarding a posting: Author: John Helmut Merz Date: 01 Dec 1999 There are actually two Hesse-Hanau soldiers with the name of PHILIPP HINCKEL, the first one born appr. 1754/55 at Massenheim served with the 1.Comp. of the Regiment Erbprinz, and the second one (PHILIP HINCKEL) born appr. 1750/51 at Ruedigheim served with the 4.Comp. of the Erbprinz. The younger* one deserted 20 June 1780 from the POW camp at Albemarle County, VA., and the older* one sold himself as hired hand on 16 Oct 1782 probably in Pennsylvania around Reading or Lancaster. and I also emailed what I have collected for Philip Hinckel, of Bern Twp, Berks Co, PA who married Catharine Medlar/Metler daughter of George (Jerg) Michael Medlar and Mary Margaretha? Elizabeth ___ and moved with his entire family after 1790 to an area that later became Lausanne Twp, Northampton Co, PA and then, Carbon Co, PA. You responded: Normally I would say - order my Guide and the Personal Data Files for both the Philipp's, but now I just give it to Jane Curci to process this file. Perhaps she has to increase the message size for this one, it's rather large. Cheers, John Merz ---------------- I was hoping you could use the information I sent to help verify the information for: Philipp Hinckel of Reading (Berks Co, PA). I will still need those Guide and Personal Data Files you have for both the Hessian Philipp's in order to verify my documentations to prove and disprove. If you will send me what information I need to order the Personal Data Files and any other documentations, I would be most grateful. Mildred I. Clark

Forwarded to the Amrev-Hessians list: ----- Original Message ----- From: <Alijabav@aol.com> To: <hessian@sympatico.ca> Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 10:58 AM > ========================================= > Source: BAVARIAN-ANCESTORS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Franconian soldiers in the American war (1775-1783) > > Hi, > info below might be of interest to US list-members, whose ancestors arrived > at this timeframe or to those whose ancestors are from the area of: > Ansbach (Middle Franconia) / Bayreuth (Upper Franconia) > Regards, Alija > > Circa 30,000 German soldiers were recruited and fought > in the American war (1775-1783). > There were about 2,400 Franconian soldiers amongst them. These > were *leased* by the Margrave of Ansbach-Bayreuth to the British King > for 6 years. From these, ca. 700 soldiers deserted and stayed voluntarily > in America. > > A list of their names: > http://home.t-online.de/home/jochen.seidel/liste.htm > Deserteure, Ueberläufer und Neusiedler > > [Alphabetical list of names of Franconian soldiers who > deserted and *choose* to stay in America] > excerpt from the book: > Die Ansbach-Bayreuther Truppen im Amerikanischen Unabhängigkeitskrieg, > 1777-1783, > Erhard Städtler: Nürnberg 1956, S. 151ff. > > Their story in GERMAN: > http://home.t-online.de/home/jochen.seidel/usa1777.htm > Der Einsatz fränkischer Truppen im Amerikanischen Unabhängigkeitskrieg > [Franconian soldiers in the American war of Independence] > [note:] > * with lots of old pictures + information > * at the end is a literature list with DE+EN books about the topic. > > > Total number of soldiers originally: ----- 2,353 soldiers > Soldiers who got back home: ------------ 1,183 sodiers > total of deaths & desertion: ---------------1,170 soldiers > Soldiers who stayed in the US: --------- 679 ~ 707 > > [note:] > these young men where mostly from the Ansbach, Bayreuth area, > but also from other near-by territories of the German Empire !] > > > Example of the first contingent who went over: > Total: ca. 1,285 Soldaten (soldiers). [Mann ~ means soldiers] > > Regiment Ansbach, 570 Mann, > ........* 1 Grenadierkompanie and 4 Musketierkompanien. > Regiment Bayreuth, 570 Mann, > ........* 1 Grenadierkompanie and 4 Musketierkompanien. > Jägerkompanie, 101 Mann > Artillerie je 2 Regimentsgeschütze, 44 Mann > > > The author remarked: > It's not easy to follow the trail of these FRANCONIAN soldiers who > stayed in America. Because most of the GERMAN soldiers, where > given the term *Hessen* (means from Hessen), independently of where > they really came from in Germany. (Simply because the majority of > the total 30,000 German soldiers in this war came from *Hessen*) > > [note:] > Seems another group of the Franconia's who stayed, > went to the then British territory of Nova Scotia (Canada)] > > > [Titles + subtitles of the German text, with references to areas in > America where the Franconia's fought.] > http://home.t-online.de/home/jochen.seidel/usa1777.htm > > Der Einsatz fränkischer Truppen im Amerikanischen Unabhängigkeitskrieg > I. Der Amerikanische Unabhängigkeitskrieg > ...Steuerliche Belastungen > ...Beginn der Kampfhandlungen > ...Kämpfe um New York > ...Unfähigkeit des Oberkommandos > ...Die Aushandlung des Subsidienvertrags mit dem Markgrafen > ...Der Vertrag von 1777 > ...Die Anwerbungen > II. Der Weg nach Amerika > > III. Die Kriegsjahre in Amerika 1777-1781 > ....Das Jahr 1777 > ....Die Jäger am Brandywine-Fluss und bei der Eroberung > ....Philadelphias > ....Die Grenadiere in Staten Island, New York und bei der Sicherung > ....des Hudson > Das Jahr 1778 > ...Veränderung der Kommandostruktur > ...Der Abzug aus Philadelphia > ...Die Rhode Island - Expedition > ...Die Ankunft der ersten Verstärkung aus Europa > Das Jahr 1779 > ...Dienst in Rhode Island > ...Die Jäger Im Einsatz am Hudson River > ...Expedition nach Charleston, Virginia > Das Jahr 1780 > ...Das Schicksal der "Anna" > ...Die Eroberung von Charleston > ...Die Plünderung von Hackensack > Das Jahr 1781: Die Niederlage bei Yorktown (Virginia) > ...Portsmouth - Petersburg > ...Yorktown > IV. Die Gefangenschaft 1781-83 > .....Endlich Frieden! > V. Heimkehr nach Europa > ....Die Soldaten: Opfer, Heimkehrer und Deserteure > ....Heimkehrer > ....Deserteure > ....Nova Scotia > VI. Schlussbetrachtung > VII. Literatur >

Does anyone on the list know of any book(s) about the Regiment Prinz Carl involvement in the American Revolution? Thanks, Bob TX

Dear Mr. Heller; Thanks you for your e-mail, I do appreciate your offer to furnish me with information about your ancestor, the Hessen-Hanau soldier Heinrich Kunkel. Because of my health I have ended my research for Hessian soldiers of the American Revolution, and my entire research material has gone to the library of the National Society of the Sons of the American Revolution, in Louisville, Kentucky. I will copy this answer to the head librarian Mr. Richard Austin, who would be glad to add your material to the Hessian Soldier section within the library. I am sure any addition to this section will be welcome by the S.A.R. With my best regards, John Helmut Merz. hessian@sympatico.ca >From: DDHeller@aol.com >To: hessianmerz@hotmail.com >Subject: Kunkel Family >Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 17:28:19 EST > >Hi! > Janet Reinhold sent me your last known e-mail address. Have you ever >seen what I have written on the descendants of Henrich Kunkel of >Floersbach? I >will be happy to send you a copy--at no cost. I can print it out and send >it >to your snail mail address, or break it downinto segments and e-mail it to >you. > Since it has no index, the latter would be a better way of getting it, as >then you can search it more easily. My grandmother's mother was a Kunkel. >Sincerely, >Dick D. Heller, Jr. >ddheller@aol.com

Finlay, There is a Friedrich Sievers who was a Bruswicker from the Regiment von Barner. Check the list archives, particularly 1999. Also check other possible spellings, like Severs, Severt etc. Regards, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Merz" <hessian@sympatico.ca> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 11:14 AM Subject: [HESSIAN] Re: Hessian soldier Frederick SIVERT & Lazarus RINE/Ryan. > Dear Finlay Ryan; > Although all my research files are on the way to the S.A.R Library > in Louisville, Kentucky, which means I cannot check out your story, > but it sure enough is a good one and should be put up for > discussion on this mail list. One thing is for sure, none of the > names you mentioned appears on the Trenton prisoner lists, > therefore it would be advisable to check other German regimental > units, like the Brunswickers, of whom many ended up in ol' > Virginny at the end of the revolution. > Good luck, > John Merz > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Finryan@aol.com > To: hessian@sympatico.ca > Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 10:40 PM > Subject: Hessian soldier > > > FREDERICK SIVERT, one of the early settlers in Sand Hill District, was > born in Hesse Casel, Germany, and came to America in the early part of the > Revolutionary War. He was a Hessian soldier in the service of Great > Britain and was captured by Americans under General Washington on the > twenty-sixth of December, 1776, at Trenton, N. J. While he was held a > prisoner of war, he learned of the German citizens the real condition of > the country and cause of the war and then enlisted in the Continental Army > and fought to the close of the war for the independence of the colonies. > > After the close of the war he married an American girl by the name of > Martha Curtis and removed to the wilds of Northwestern Virginia and > settled near Big Wheeling Creek and became identified in the development > of the country and changing it from forest to field. > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvmarsha/powell-1.htm > > Just in case you don't have him in records. The same story was given for > my ancestor, Lazarus Rine/Ryan. But, for Lazarus, it doesn't appear to be > true. > > Happy Retirement! > Finley Ryan > > > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe click on AMREV-HESSIANS-L-request@rootsweb.com > and write one single word unsubscribe in subject line and text field. > No other words or explanations or it won't work. > See our HESSIAN SOLDIER plaque - http://www.crbronzeworks.com/hessian/ > >

Dear Finlay Ryan; Although all my research files are on the way to the S.A.R Library in Louisville, Kentucky, which means I cannot check out your story, but it sure enough is a good one and should be put up for discussion on this mail list. One thing is for sure, none of the names you mentioned appears on the Trenton prisoner lists, therefore it would be advisable to check other German regimental units, like the Brunswickers, of whom many ended up in ol' Virginny at the end of the revolution. Good luck, John Merz ----- Original Message ----- From: Finryan@aol.com To: hessian@sympatico.ca Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 10:40 PM Subject: Hessian soldier FREDERICK SIVERT, one of the early settlers in Sand Hill District, was born in Hesse Casel, Germany, and came to America in the early part of the Revolutionary War. He was a Hessian soldier in the service of Great Britain and was captured by Americans under General Washington on the twenty-sixth of December, 1776, at Trenton, N. J. While he was held a prisoner of war, he learned of the German citizens the real condition of the country and cause of the war and then enlisted in the Continental Army and fought to the close of the war for the independence of the colonies. After the close of the war he married an American girl by the name of Martha Curtis and removed to the wilds of Northwestern Virginia and settled near Big Wheeling Creek and became identified in the development of the country and changing it from forest to field. http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvmarsha/powell-1.htm Just in case you don't have him in records. The same story was given for my ancestor, Lazarus Rine/Ryan. But, for Lazarus, it doesn't appear to be true. Happy Retirement! Finley Ryan