What is the name of the Book Allan ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Merz" <hessian@sympatico.ca> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 6:23 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Re: Heinrich Bitter-Hessian > Hello Carolyn; > I have just pulled a book from my shelves which may be > of interest to you or others searching for Hessians (or > Ansbachers) in Virginia. It is a softcover written by > Klaus Wust, published by the University Press of Virginia, > Charlottesville, VA., 310 pages. it was my Source #57, > and it has some answers as to your questions re: Hessians. > > On page 87 and 88 he mentions that the Continental Congress > in 1776 offered fifty acres of land to any Hessian private soldier > deserting the British colors. In 1781 Governor Jefferson > renewed and enlarged this offer during the invasion of Virginia, > "further promising to all such foreigners who shall leave the > armies of his Brittanic majesty while in this state and repair > fortwith to me at this place, that they shall receive from this > Commonwealth a further donation of two cows, and an > exemption during the present war from all taxes for the support > therof and fromall militia and military service." These offers, of > course, did not apply to Hessians who were already prisoners > of war. Inevitable contacts with the civilian population and with > German-speaking militia guards resulted in the defection of many > during the war. Some espoused the American cause whole- > heartedly and soon differed in no way from the local Germans. -- > > I think I quoted enough from this book, it is interesting reading, > mind you, it is the story of the German settlers of Virginia with > naming the many pioneers long before the American Revolution. > Having this book on my shelves will tempt me time and again to > look for names, and this is against my retirement plans. > Therefore I will put it up for sale on eBay this evening. > > Cheers, > John Helmut Merz the-hessian > btw. the name Bitter is not mentioned, neither Bittenholzer, > but it lists a John Caspar Barth, a Jaeger, and some of his comrades. > ..................................................... > > Subject: Heinrich Bitter-Hessian > > Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 15:28:10 -0500 > > Hello Carolyn, > > > > a little correction, if you have followed the postings on this list, > > you will notice that the Ansbach-Bayreuth troops are NOT > > listed in Hetrina, so this man I mentioned cannot be found there. > > > > Another clarification, if one was called a Hessian soldier by his > > neighbours or enemies, didn't mean he still was serving as such. > > It was a label all of them carried to their last day in life, even if > > they had served in some patriotic units after their desertion from > > the 'Hessians'. > > Once a Hess, always a Hess! > > > > good luck in your search, keep your mind open, > > Cheers, > > John Helmut Merz. > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > 6000 Hessian soldiers remained in North America after the Peace in 1783, the majority settled in the Eastern United States and Canada. > A quick check http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > >

Hello Carolyn; I have just pulled a book from my shelves which may be of interest to you or others searching for Hessians (or Ansbachers) in Virginia. It is a softcover written by Klaus Wust, published by the University Press of Virginia, Charlottesville, VA., 310 pages. it was my Source #57, and it has some answers as to your questions re: Hessians. On page 87 and 88 he mentions that the Continental Congress in 1776 offered fifty acres of land to any Hessian private soldier deserting the British colors. In 1781 Governor Jefferson renewed and enlarged this offer during the invasion of Virginia, "further promising to all such foreigners who shall leave the armies of his Brittanic majesty while in this state and repair fortwith to me at this place, that they shall receive from this Commonwealth a further donation of two cows, and an exemption during the present war from all taxes for the support therof and fromall militia and military service." These offers, of course, did not apply to Hessians who were already prisoners of war. Inevitable contacts with the civilian population and with German-speaking militia guards resulted in the defection of many during the war. Some espoused the American cause whole- heartedly and soon differed in no way from the local Germans. -- I think I quoted enough from this book, it is interesting reading, mind you, it is the story of the German settlers of Virginia with naming the many pioneers long before the American Revolution. Having this book on my shelves will tempt me time and again to look for names, and this is against my retirement plans. Therefore I will put it up for sale on eBay this evening. Cheers, John Helmut Merz the-hessian btw. the name Bitter is not mentioned, neither Bittenholzer, but it lists a John Caspar Barth, a Jaeger, and some of his comrades. ..................................................... Subject: Heinrich Bitter-Hessian > Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 15:28:10 -0500 > Hello Carolyn, > > a little correction, if you have followed the postings on this list, > you will notice that the Ansbach-Bayreuth troops are NOT > listed in Hetrina, so this man I mentioned cannot be found there. > > Another clarification, if one was called a Hessian soldier by his > neighbours or enemies, didn't mean he still was serving as such. > It was a label all of them carried to their last day in life, even if > they had served in some patriotic units after their desertion from > the 'Hessians'. > Once a Hess, always a Hess! > > good luck in your search, keep your mind open, > Cheers, > John Helmut Merz.

Thank You John! That is the best statement anyone could say. Nelda Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG Beatty #005 & #10; Graves #231 & #105 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/

Last words to the outcome of your Presidential Election - from your Canadian (former German) mail list administrator: My intent was not to start a political discussions when I purposely choose the above subject line - I knew it would attract your attention, and I wanted to get you to read my message. = You did = but then came four short postings from you which cleared up the whole political issue in a nut shell. The U.S.A. is one divided country! 51% against 49% = "but all of you are anxious to find out what comes next" . So do we Canadians, in fact so does the whole world. We hope that you will work together for the well-being of your country, because if you do, the whole world will benefit. I am not in politics, this list is not here for political statements, but we are all humans, we try to be good humans, let's think human. Let's think of human dignity- be human for God's sake! And no more diskussions beyond this, Your Friend and Neighbour John Helmut Merz "What we need most is PEACE" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverly Blum" <beve@lightspeed.net> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:04 AM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] After-Election report - yeah! > I wanted to answer and couldn't think how.....so, thanks for saying it for > me! > From: <Zwonk@aol.com> > To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 6:06 PM > > Yes, but for the first time in a long time, more than half ARE smiling.

As an afterthought, I am going to find out if those 2 e-mail addresses are still good, and if not, who knows the new ones. We would like to hear from them. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Merz" <hessian@sympatico.ca> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 7:11 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Heinrich BITTENHOLZER, Ansbach-Bayreuth soldier. > Jane, you brought up the Rootsweb WorldConnect project > and gave some leads in respect to Heinrich BITTER, who is > being investigated by Carolyn. It all got me a bit confused, so > I started to do some basic research, and I had a bulls eye. > > Remember that I suggested to Carolyn that Heinrich could > have changed his name. I had this Ansbach-Bayreuther in > my files, Heinrich Bittenholzer, who deserted in June 1783 > according to the military files. This date of course is not carved > in stone, he may have gone much earlier, but went unreported. > > I checked the German Telephone on-line directory for the name > and hit a blank, but when I tried some variations, I found that > there were about 40 listings in Western Germany of the name > BUETTENHOELZER (the u and the o being Umlauts), and > guess what, I did a search on the Rootsweb WorldConnect > for the name BITTENHELZER and to my surprise here came > two entries for this name, both for a Heinrich. > > Now hear this: > Karen Moore kmoore2002@home.com and > Suzanne Baird sbaird@nvahomes.com > are looking for Henry BITTENHELZER, who married 5. April 1788 > in Shenandoah, Virginia to Elizabeth BEARD, born 1753 in > Augusta, VA. Her father was Zachariah BARD, born abt.1719 in > Germany. > Well, those two descendants at least do know now who this > Henry Bittenhelzer was, I know that he married, and we all know > a little more. Except I don't know if this has helped our subscriber > Carolyn, she may have to look further. > > That's all I can do for now, > best wishes, > John Helmut Merz

Good Morning John: While I have had no success in finding my ancestor, Hartmann Diehl, that I believe was a Hessian, I am active in reading all the messages with the hope that I will recognize a name similar to Diehl/Diel/Thiel or married names in the family that will may prove to be a worthy contact. Trust that your health is better and that you can enjoy all the free time that you now have since you have given your files to others. God Bless. George Diehl

Yes, but for the first time in a long time, more than half ARE smiling.

Hello Hessians, hello Jane, and hello Nelda, and hello Carolyn: Jane, you brought up the Rootsweb WorldConnect project and gave some leads in respect to Heinrich BITTER, who is being investigated by Carolyn. It all got me a bit confused, so I started to do some basic research, and I had a bulls eye. Remember that I suggested to Carolyn that Heinrich could have changed his name. I had this Ansbach-Bayreuther in my files, Heinrich Bittenholzer, who deserted in June 1783 according to the military files. This date of course is not carved in stone, he may have gone much earlier, but went unreported. I checked the German Telephone on-line directory for the name and hit a blank, but when I tried some variations, I found that there were about 40 listings in Western Germany of the name BUETTENHOELZER (the u and the o being Umlauts), and guess what, I did a search on the Rootsweb WorldConnect for the name BITTENHELZER and to my surprise here came two entries for this name, both for a Heinrich. Now hear this: Karen Moore kmoore2002@home.com and Suzanne Baird sbaird@nvahomes.com are looking for Henry BITTENHELZER, who married 5. April 1788 in Shenandoah, Virginia to Elizabeth BEARD, born 1753 in Augusta, VA. Her father was Zachariah BARD, born abt.1719 in Germany. Well, those two descendants at least do know now who this Henry Bittenhelzer was, I know that he married, and we all know a little more. Except I don't know if this has helped our subscriber Carolyn, she may have to look further. That's all I can do for now, best wishes, John Helmut Merz

Dear Carolyn and John, For your review. Warm regards, Jane Curci wmcurci@aol.com http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=hawk7& id=I00214 Contact: Charles KnightHawk7@ispwest. com ID: I00214 Name: Heinrich Henry BITTERS <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/#s1">1</A> Sex: M Name: Henry Heinrich BITTER <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/#s2">2</A> Name: Henry Heinrich BITTERS <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/#s3">3</A> Birth: BEF 1760 in Germany <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/#s1">1</A> Birth: ABT 1760 in Germany <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/#s3">3</A> <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/#s2">2</A> Death: 11 JUN 1832 in Hopewell Twp. Cumb. Co. N. J. Rev. War Death: 11 JUN 1832 in Hopewell Twp. Cumb. Co. N. J. <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/#s3">3</A> Death: 11 JUN 1832 in Hopewell Twp. Cumb. Co. N.J. Rev. War <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/#s1">1</A> Death: 11 JUN 1832 in Hopewell, Cumb. Co. N. J. <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/#s2">2</A> Burial: 13 JUN 1832 Broad St. Presby. Ch. Cem. Bridgeton, Cumb. Co. N.J. <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/#s1">1</A> Burial: 13 JUN 1832 Broad St. Presby. Cem. Bridgeton, Cumb. Co. N. J. <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/#s3">3</A> <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/#s2">2</A> Note: > Will dated May 17, 1832 Reference # 8 - 2. > [Millville Fox.FTW] > > Father: <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=hawk7&id=I22278">BITTERS</A> Marriage 1 <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=hawk7&id=I00220">Maria Elizabeth SAILOR</A> b: 24 FEB 1761 in Cumberland Co. N. J. Married: 1781 in Cumb. Co. N. J. <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/#s2">2</A> Married: 1781 in Bridgeton, Cumb. Co. N. J. <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/#s3">3</A> Married: 1781 in Cumberland Co. N.J. <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/#s1">1</A> Children <IMG SRC="http://img.rootsweb.com/wc/child_is.gif" WIDTH="12" HEIGHT="14" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="131"> <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=hawk7&id=I00222">Margaret BITTERS</A> b: 25 DEC 1781 in Cumb. Co. N. J. <IMG SRC="http://img.rootsweb.com/wc/child_blank.gif" WIDTH="12" HEIGHT="14" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="826"> <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=hawk7&id=I00223">John BITTERS</A> b: 16 DEC 1784 in Cumb. Co. N. J. <IMG SRC="http://img.rootsweb.com/wc/child_is.gif" WIDTH="12" HEIGHT="14" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="131"> <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=hawk7&id=I00107">William C. BITTERS</A> b: 1788 in Bridgeton, Cumb. Co. N. J. <IMG SRC="http://img.rootsweb.com/wc/child_is.gif" WIDTH="12" HEIGHT="14" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="131"> <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=hawk7&id=I00231">Henry BITTERS , Sr.</A> b: 1790 in Cumb. Co. N. J. <IMG SRC="http://img.rootsweb.com/wc/child_blank.gif" WIDTH="12" HEIGHT="14" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="826"> <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=hawk7&id=I02010">David BITTERS</A> b: 1792 in Bridgeton, Cumb. Co. N. J. <IMG SRC="http://img.rootsweb.com/wc/child_is.gif" WIDTH="12" HEIGHT="14" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="131"> <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=hawk7&id=I00230">Zachariah BITTERS</A> b: 8 AUG 1795 in Bridgeton, Cumb. Co. N. J. <IMG SRC="http://img.rootsweb.com/wc/child_is.gif" WIDTH="12" HEIGHT="14" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="131"> <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=hawk7&id=I00229">Jacob BITTERS</A> b: 25 MAY 1797 in Cumb. Co. N. J. <IMG SRC="http://img.rootsweb.com/wc/child_blank.gif" WIDTH="12" HEIGHT="14" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="826"> <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=hawk7&id=I00228">Daniel BITTERS</A> b: 1798 in Cumb. Co. N. J. <IMG SRC="http://img.rootsweb.com/wc/child_blank.gif" WIDTH="12" HEIGHT="14" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="826"> <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=hawk7&id=I02029">Dau. of Heinrich BITTERS</A> b: ABT 1799 <IMG SRC="http://img.rootsweb.com/wc/child_blank.gif" WIDTH="12" HEIGHT="14" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="826"> <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=hawk7&id=I00227">BITTERS</A> b: 1800 in Cumb. Co. N. J. <IMG SRC="http://img.rootsweb.com/wc/child_is.gif" WIDTH="12" HEIGHT="14" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="131"> <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=hawk7&id=I00226">Sarah BITTERS</A> b: 1802 in Cumb. Co. N. J. <IMG SRC="http://img.rootsweb.com/wc/child_blank.gif" WIDTH="12" HEIGHT="14" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="826"> <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=hawk7&id=I00225">Michael H. BITTERS</A> b: 1803 in Cumb. Co. N. J. <IMG SRC="http://img.rootsweb.com/wc/child_blank.gif" WIDTH="12" HEIGHT="14" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="826"> <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=hawk7&id=I02013">Elizabeth (Betsey) BITTERS</A> b: 1806 in Cumb. Co. N. J. Marriage 2 <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=hawk7&id=I02025">Phebe DAVIS</A> b: 17 AUG 1773 in Cumb. Co. N. J. Married: 1 NOV 1815 in Cumb. Co. N. J. <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/#s3">3</A> Married: 1 NOV 1815 in Cumberland Cnty, N.J. <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/#s1">1</A> Sources: Title: Millville Fox.FTW Repository: Call Number: Media: Other Text: Date of Import: Jun 12, 2003 Title: Sailor.FTW Repository: Call Number: Media: Other Text: Date of Import: Jun 12, 2003 Title: Bitters.FTW Repository: Call Number: Media: Other Text: Date of Import: Jun 12, 2003 ID: I22278 Name: BITTERS Sex: M Marriage 1 Spouse UnknownChildren <IMG SRC="http://img.rootsweb.com/wc/child_is.gif" WIDTH="12" HEIGHT="14" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="131"> <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=hawk7&id=I22279">Jacob BITTER , John:</A> b: ABT 1719 <IMG SRC="http://img.rootsweb.com/wc/child_is.gif" WIDTH="12" HEIGHT="14" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="131"> <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=hawk7&id=I00214">Heinrich Henry BITTERS</A> b: BEF 1760 in Germany

John et al, Regardless of preference, politics has no place on this list. 49 percent of the US voters are not smiling! Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Merz" <hessian@sympatico.ca> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] After-Election report - yeah! > Hello Lynn; > Now we know -- four more years - four more years - four mo...... > Good luck to all of us, hope you keep your borders closed > for our Canadian beef - our farmers have to sell it so cheap, we > Canadians are able to afford to eat steak every day. > <grin> John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynn Loftus" <lynnlof@msn.com> > To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 2:40 PM > Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] After-Election report - yeah! > > >> Dear List, >> >> Absolutely, in my case it was the election. My family and I worked > very hard to assure President Bush was reelected and it paid off. We live > in Ohio, a swing state, so we felt we had to put forth an extra effort. >> >> We are smiling! >> Lynn >> lynnlof@msn.com<mailto:lynnlof@msn.com> > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > The subject of this list - Hessian Soldiers of the American Revolution > No other wars - no other German immigrants. Please stick to the subject. > Please no signature lines, they confuse our mail list archives. >

Hello Lynn; Now we know -- four more years - four more years - four mo...... Good luck to all of us, hope you keep your borders closed for our Canadian beef - our farmers have to sell it so cheap, we Canadians are able to afford to eat steak every day. <grin> John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Loftus" <lynnlof@msn.com> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] After-Election report - yeah! > Dear List, > > Absolutely, in my case it was the election. My family and I worked very hard to assure President Bush was reelected and it paid off. We live in Ohio, a swing state, so we felt we had to put forth an extra effort. > > We are smiling! > Lynn > lynnlof@msn.com<mailto:lynnlof@msn.com>

Hello Carolyn, a little correction, if you have followed the postings on this list, you will notice that the Ansbach-Bayreuth troops are NOT listed in Hetrina, so this man I mentioned cannot be found there. Another clarification, if one was called a Hessian soldier by his neighbours or enemies, didn't mean he still was serving as such. It was a label all of them carried to their last day in life, even if they had served in some patriotic units after their desertion from the 'Hessians'. Once a Hess, always a Hess! But there is nothing wrong with your searching the Hetrina volumes, there was one BITTER (Arnold), there may have been others, serving in other Hessian units. As a last but equally important advice to you, I would recommend very strongly to search for the name BITTER on the Rootsweb Surname Board BITTER http://boards.rootsweb.com and type in Bitter, you will find it very entertaining and rewarding. That's it for me, good luck in your search, keep your mind open, Cheers, John Helmut Merz. From: <carolyn172@webtv.net> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 12:30 PM > > John - Thank you for the information. It never occurred to me that > Heinrich could have changed his last name. I have sent to see if he is > listed in the Hetrina volumes. > > His first son's birth is listed in the German Presbyterian Church > Cohansey (located in Upper Hopewell Twp., NJ) as follows: "Johannes, son > of Heinrich Bitters, a Hessian soldier, and Elizabeth, b. Dec. l, 1784". > I thought it odd that they would indicate in a church record that he > was a Hessian soldier unless maybe that was his occupation at the time. (Note - no such occupation at that time in U.S.A.) > > I am curious if you have ever come across Hessian soldiers marrying > while still being active participants in the Hessian army during the > Rev. War. From what I have read, most of them married after deserting. > > Carolyn Bartee

Hi, Are there any Lingeman and Nickle researchers here? I 'd like to compare Rev War/ Hessian info? My Hessians are related to these lines. Thanks Nelda Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG Beatty #005 & #10; Graves #231 & #105 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/

Hi, In this case I was wondering if there were any Hessian Wagner researchers who might connect with this german family who had two Hessian members who were Bonsteins Johann Jacob Bonstein and Paulus Bonstein.. Paulus is the Grandfather of Henrich Bonstein who married Wilhermine Wagner First Generation 1. Conrad Wagner. Born in Lenderschied, Germany. Occupation Schuhmacher (Shoemaker). He married Anna Close, 12 Jun 1864 in Grossropperhausen Cassel, Germany. Born in Lenderschield. They had the following children: 2 i. Wilhermine Wagner 3 ii. Johannes Wagner 4 iii. Martha Elisabeth Wagner Second Generation 2. Wilhermine Wagner. Daughter of Conrad Wagner & Anna Close. Born 13 Aug 1837 in Lenderscheid, Germany. Died 8 Feb 1880 in Grossropperhausen Cassel, Germany. She married Henrich Bonstein, son of Johannes Bonstein & Anna Martha Roose, Reese, 12 Jun 1864 in Grossropperhausen Cassel, Germany. Born 19 Jun 1823 in Grossropperhausen Cassel, Germany. Christen in sponcer: Henrich Reese,father of mother. Died 20 Sep 1882 in Grossropperhausen Cassel, Germany. Occupation Ackermann Plowman/farmer?. They had the following children: 5 i. Anna Elisabeth Bonstein 6 ii. Johannes Bonstein 7 iii. Martha Elisabeth Bonstein 8 iv. Johannes Bonstein 9 v. Conrad Bonstein 3. Johannes Wagner. Son of Conrad Wagner & Anna Close. Occupation Taylor. 4. Martha Elisabeth Wagner. Daughter of Conrad Wagner & Anna Close. Occupation from Lienderschied. She married First name unk. Simon. Occupation possible Henrich first name? a Henrich acts as sponcer to. Education his wife's Bonstein nephew Conrad. Thanks Nelda Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG Beatty #005 & #10; Graves #231 & #105 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/

Hi, I have lots of Germans in my files that I have no idea if they were in the Rev War on the American side or the British side. I will post them to the list, in hopes that someone will recognise them and be able to tell me. Martin Luther Miller. Son of Fist name unk Miller. Born 1758 in Heidelberg, Germany. Died 17 Aug 1838 in Claiborne Co., TN. Buried in Skaggs Cemetery, Union Co., TN. Occupation Rev War,. Side unknown He married Elizabeth (Betty) Giddens, 5 Feb 1798 in Wilkes Co., NC. Born 7 Sep 1780 in Wilks Co., NC. Died 4 Jan 1860 in Maynardville, Union Co., TN. Buried in Skaggs Cemetery, Union Co., TN. Education birth/death dates and places from Donna at. Religion donna@silverdp.com. They had the following children: 2 i. Martin Miller 3 ii. Lousia Miller 4 iii. Emanuel Miller 5 iv. Pleasent## Miller 6 v. Daniel Miller 7 vi. Isaiah Eli Miller 8 vii. Elizabeth Miller 9 viii. David R. Miller 10 ix. William Alexander Miller Thanks Nelda Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG Beatty #005 & #10; Graves #231 & #105 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/

Hi Carolyn, From your post "Johannes, son of Heinrich Bitters, a Hessian soldier, and Elizabeth, b. Dec. l, 1784". and I am curious if you have ever come across Hessian soldiers marrying while still being active participants in the Hessian army during the Rev. War. The Rev War according to the signing of the treaty in Paris was over in Sept 1783, this gives over a year from that date to the birth of Johannes, They may have even married after the war was over.. Just a thought if you are looking for the date of the marriage. Nelda Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG Beatty #005 & #10; Graves #231 & #105 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/

John - Thank you for the information. It never occurred to me that Heinrich could have changed his last name. I have sent to see if he is listed in the Hetrina volumes. His first son's birth is listed in the German Presbyterian Church Cohansey (located in Upper Hopewell Twp., NJ) as follows: "Johannes, son of Heinrich Bitters, a Hessian soldier, and Elizabeth, b. Dec. l, 1784". I thought it odd that they would indicate in a church record that he was a Hessian soldier unless maybe that was his occupation at the time. I am curious if you have ever come across Hessian soldiers marrying while still being active participants in the Hessian army during the Rev. War. From what I have read, most of them married after deserting. Carolyn Bartee

This was contained in a posting to the AMREV-HESSIANS mail list in 2003 (courtesy of the list archives) 430 Müller Adam Gemeiner A, B V 431 Müller Georg Jakob Grenadier A V Des 30.9.1781 432 Müller Gottlieb Gemeiner A III Des 12.5.1783 433 Müller Johann Jakob Jäger J II, IV Juni 1783 434 Müller Johann Sebastian Gemeiner A II Dezember 1782 Gossen 435 Müller Kaspar Gemeiner A II Abwesend seit Juni 1783 436 Müller Michael Jäger J II Dezember 1782 437 Müller Veit Gemeiner A IV, I Abwesend seit Dezember 1783 438 Müller Vitus Gemeiner A I Abwesend seit Juni 1782 Neustadt a. d. Aisch 'Abwesend seit' means 'missing since', Dates behind a name are dates name of soldier was last recorded in military files. Forwarded courtesy of John Merz, helping to untangle the difficult "MUELLER' line, (my children's grandmother was a born 'MUELLER'.

Forwarded to the AMREV-HESSIANS-L and the MUELLER-L mail lists. From my GUIDE - a one-liner entry: MUELLER, Johann Jacob, Ansbach-Bayreuth Regt., Frederick Co., Maryland, see Source #147 (Nancy Rice Kiddoo in Journal of the Pennsylvania German Society, Vol. 23/1989/2) John Merz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arless N. Eilerts" <aeilerts@southwind.net> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 10:30 AM > Source: VASCOTT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VAScott] MILLER, PENNER, LOTTS > > That elusive old Hessian soldier--John Jacob Miller--is still hiding out > somewhere in those Virginia hills. > Son Jacob was born 28 Dec1795 in what would later become Scott County. > (That's 209 years ago, can you believe it?) > Any help tracing these ancestors would be most welcome. > Arless Eilerts aeilerts@southwind.net >

Hello Carolyn; this is the first message I read this morning, and having had a good breakfast, read the paper which didn't much excite me today, your search gave me a bit of a jolt, and as you see, my brain started to click - Yes, there is a Hessen-Kassel soldier vom the Regiment v.Lossberg with the name of Arnold BITTER, he was a Trenton prisoner in 1776, and I was able to check my old computer's disk for his PDF, well, he sure is not identical with yours. But hold on - In my GUIDE right above the name of BITTER, there is listed a name for which in all my long years of research I have not received one single solitary enquiry from anybody, which makes me believe that this man in all likelihood changed his name, shortened it or whatever. His name was Heinrich BITTENHOLZER, he was with the Ansbach-Bayreuth Regiment which was captured at Yorktown, VA., in October 1781, at that time under the command of Lord Cornwallis, who surrendered his army at that time to General Washington. The prisoners were taken inland to Frederick, Maryland. In May 1783, after peace was announced, the prisoners were ordered to march to New York to join their Regiments for transfer home. Heinrich Bittenholzer however decided to remain in the USA and in June deserted, anyway, that's what his officer reported. We have not heard from him again and I suspect that he most likely shortened his name, who wants to listen to this 'tongue-breaker' BITTENHOLZER, when BITTER could do much better. This is just a hunch of mine, not scientifically nailed down, but then these name changes have confounded others for generations. My 2 Canadian pennies worth, cheerfully, John Helmut Merz. Es waere wirklich nett wenn Mitglieder der DEU-FRANKENLAND Liste mal nach diesem Namen schauen koennten, vielleicht hat Mr. Jochen SEIDEL schon etwas herausgefunden, er studiert ja besonders dieses Ansbach-Bayreuth Regiment. Wie sieht's aus, Jochen? From: <carolyn172@webtv.net> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 10:58 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Heinrich BItter/Hessian Soldier > > I am researching Heinrich (Henry) Bitter, > who according to my grandfather, was a Hessian soldier who fought under > Cornwallis. He settled in Hopewell Twp, New Jersey and in 1781 married > Elizabeth Sailor (b. 2/24/1761, d/o Zachariah and Mary Sailor), Henry > and Elizabeth had 12 children. After his first wife died, he married a > widow, Phebe (Davis) Fithian, who was a neighbor of his. > > Henry purchased 82 acres plus a 3 acre piece of meadow along the > Cohansey Creek from Moses Veal in 1818 for $1,400. Henry died June 11, > 1832 and is buried in the Broad Street Presbyterian cemetery, Bridgeton, > NJ. > > In his will he left among other things, 6 volumes of Scott's > commentaries on the Bible with three other books--Psalm book, Confession > of Faith and Cases of Conscience. > > I have searched the archives and did not find any information on Henry > although I did see information on a Arnold Bitter who settled in > Pennsylvania. > > I am interested in verifying that Henry really was a Hessian soldier. > What regiment he was with and where in Germany he came from. > > Carolyn Bartee