John and listers, I am fairly active on eBay too and got the same notice a week or 10 days ago. I did not reply to it, but signed into eBay and asked them about it. They asked that I forward it to them and then delete it. Less than a day later they responded, saying it was a hoax and to ignore it. They were taking action. Apparantly it is not dead yet. Remember that eBay and AOL will never ask for that kind of information. They will also address you by name and by some manner of identification that will assure you it is authentic. Both John and I were scammed the same way and neither of us gave them any information but rather reported them to eBay. BE CAREFUL. The scammers and spammers are a bright bunch and evil. Russ Ehler

I have been getting these for several years. They always tell me to send it to spoof@ebay.com and then delete it. It is a common problem but it doesn't help! Beverly Walker -----Original Message----- From: Zwonk@aol.com [mailto:Zwonk@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, 20 November, 2004 3:44 PM To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] My books on eBay - John and listers, I am fairly active on eBay too and got the same notice a week or 10 days ago. I did not reply to it, but signed into eBay and asked them about it. They asked that I forward it to them and then delete it. Less than a day later they responded, saying it was a hoax and to ignore it. They were taking action. Apparantly it is not dead yet. Remember that eBay and AOL will never ask for that kind of information. They will also address you by name and by some manner of identification that will assure you it is authentic. Both John and I were scammed the same way and neither of us gave them any information but rather reported them to eBay. BE CAREFUL. The scammers and spammers are a bright bunch and evil. Russ Ehler ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== The Source HETRINA has been discussed more often than anything else, you find the explanations by checking our key word archive http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=amrev-hessians You can find it by typing in "26 feb 1999" and look for HETRINA. Or check the Threaded Archives for February 1999 - Hetrina publication. --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01-Nov-04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01-Nov-04

Hi John, In the last three weeks, I have come accross about 5 different notifications of basically the same thing.. you recieve an email from what looks like a business and they request personal information on your money accounts.. passwords ect.. the notices were at big business.. I personally did not get any just saw the business warning that these emails were not from them... Glad you checked it out, and did not send any info... If you know how to expand the headers in an email you can find the original source the email came from and write that isp that they are hosting a person perposeing fraud.. I have sent a few simular to the FBI and always check fbi for fraud notification on wierd emails... Glad you weren't burned by them.. Nelda Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG Beatty #005 & #10; Graves #231 & #105 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/

Hello Hessians; I did have a very disturbing experience with eBay - beginning of the week I got a message apparently from the eBay organization, accusing me that I have violated the sales condition, etc., and that my account would be suspended. That I would not be allowed to make any transaction, unless I first filled out a lenghty form giving all my financial details, like card numbers, passwords, etc. bank accounts, and when I read that, I stopped and started to think. Why the heck would they want this information, they have it already, been with eBay for several years, have 349 positive feedbacks. So I just mailed them back that I see no reason for their action, no reason for them to close my account, and I want an explanation. Took 3 days to get an answer, and I was told that this e-mail did not come from them, that it was fraudulent and someone was trying to get at my financial data. That eBay would never ask for passwords, card numbers, or other financial data, because they have that data on file and can get it without using passwords. They told me never to answer such requests, they called it a 'spoofed' message. So far so good - During all this time there was no action on my site - on one book I had 3 bids, highest bid $15.50, nothing changed there at all, although 5 other bidders have it on the watchlist, another book, no bids as yet, but five bidders on the watch list. No action on the other two. I just wonder what is going on, who is fooling who. By the way, the one GUIDE I am offering is my last one, no more after this. Perhaps no more else after this experience. There are people out there trying to get into your accounts. Ye gotta watch! John Merz - the-hessian

Dear Stuart, I think you are going on to the right track - and light is at the end of the tunnel. Somewhere in your neighbourhood is a Genealogical an/or Historical Society who will have my book "The Hessians of Upper Canada", in which you will find two Henry/Heinrich Merckel's listed, the one actually is a John Henry, and that one settled in Marysburgh, Quinte Isle, near Belleville. Since I retired this summer, I have donated all my Hessian research material concerning those who settled in Canada, to the Marilyn Adams Genealogical Research Centre in Ameliasburg, Ontario, check http://www.quinte-kin.com They will have my books for sale, but have copies there for look-ups. Wish you good luck, it was my pleasure getting you on the right track. John Helmut Merz Hamilton, Ontario. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Maracle" <stuart_maracle@hotmail.com> To: <Hessian@sympatico.ca> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 4:01 AM Subject: Hessian Native Marriages > Dear Sir > I am hoping you can help me with this. Name is Stuart Maracle and I believe > that you may hold a key to a mystery for me. The first Maracle I have in my > family tree is a Henry/Hendrick Mericle. Im not 100% he was Native. He may > have been a Merkle as I have found that spelling in my line as well. Either > he or his father were white. In any event one of these men married a Mohawk > woman in the Fort Hunter area and settled on the Tyendinaga Reservation near > Belleville Ontario. Does this sound familiar to you? I hope to hear from you > soon. > Respectfully Stuart

Listers, Pickaway County historians have an on-going puzzle regarding the community of Tarlton, OH. Tradition says it was founded early by soldiers of the British military leader Tarlton. While this is not Hessian, it shows the area between Ross County and Franklin County was isolated enough that perhaps both British and Hessians were attracted in groups to the area? Should anyone have info regarding the Tarlton, OH settlement, I can relay such info (off List) to the Circleville, Pickaway County, OH historians. Bob Fetters, descendant of Cpl.or Rev. John Henry Hammer ----- Original Message ----- From: <Zwonk@aol.com> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 7:13 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Konrad Botte > Hello, Fellow Listers, > > It is a great idea to look for neighbors. I wish I would have thought of it. > > My G(4)greatgrandfather Conrad Butt (Konrad Botte) was born in Hesse, fought > for the British and switched sides following the battle of Red Bank, I > believe. Later we find him marrying an English lady and moving to Ohio with a > fellow Hessian soldier, Leonard Bach(Baugh). These two live out their lives > in/nr Darby Creek, Wayne Twp, Pickaway Co, OH where Conrad passed away in 1832 > and where Lawrence apparantly died before 1820. > > Does anyone have any Hessian relatives who lived in SE/SCentral Ohio? > Pickaway Co? > > Thanks > > Russ Ehler

Dear Zwonk; My GGGG Grandfather was a Hessian Soldier named John Yarger, his son also named John was born in 1778. In 1803 John Jr & Elizabeth gave birth to Jacob in Huntington County, PA. In 1811 the entire family moved to Ohio, (most likely to Perry County). In 1828 Jacob & Susan Yarger had a son named John who was born in Perry County. They additionally had 6 more children later on. In 1853 Jacob took over the family farm after the death of his father. Most of the family stayed on in Perry County well into the late 1800's. Patrick Deck Seattle, WA -----Original Message----- From: Zwonk@aol.com Sent: Nov 19, 2004 4:13 PM To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HESSIAN] Konrad Botte Hello, Fellow Listers, It is a great idea to look for neighbors. I wish I would have thought of it. My G(4)greatgrandfather Conrad Butt (Konrad Botte) was born in Hesse, fought for the British and switched sides following the battle of Red Bank, I believe. Later we find him marrying an English lady and moving to Ohio with a fellow Hessian soldier, Leonard Bach(Baugh). These two live out their lives in/nr Darby Creek, Wayne Twp, Pickaway Co, OH where Conrad passed away in 1832 and where Lawrence apparantly died before 1820. Does anyone have any Hessian relatives who lived in SE/SCentral Ohio? Pickaway Co? Thanks Russ Ehler ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== Please stick to our published subject - Hessian Soldiers of the American Revolution, not WWII or the Civil War. No other Immigrants. http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=amrev-hessians One more tip - do not use signature lines (with names) when posting.

Hello, Fellow Listers, It is a great idea to look for neighbors. I wish I would have thought of it. My G(4)greatgrandfather Conrad Butt (Konrad Botte) was born in Hesse, fought for the British and switched sides following the battle of Red Bank, I believe. Later we find him marrying an English lady and moving to Ohio with a fellow Hessian soldier, Leonard Bach(Baugh). These two live out their lives in/nr Darby Creek, Wayne Twp, Pickaway Co, OH where Conrad passed away in 1832 and where Lawrence apparantly died before 1820. Does anyone have any Hessian relatives who lived in SE/SCentral Ohio? Pickaway Co? Thanks Russ Ehler

Thank you all for your helpful advice. I'm so glad to have found this list, I'm learning a great deal and I will keep you posted as I, hopefully, make progress. I'll just keep turning stones until I find something. Susan

Hello Susan, As you might have discovered by now,the vast majority of the Hessian soldiers were not mercenaries. They were conscripted along with other soldiers from five other German states by the respective Princes of those states. These Princes were cousins of The King of England.Some of the relatively few who volunteered for service were known as Jaegers ( Hunters). Please don't allow anyone to make you feel ashamed of you Hessian ancester. I am still searching for my Hessian relative also,and I have had to defend the bad rap that the Hessians still have. Thankfully this website has given us the historical facts to present a valid position against that. Many of these soldiers deserted and joined The Continental Army. Good luck with your research. Best regards, Jim Beck Jim

Hello lists ! I am trying to bring a brickwall down : George GINCE m. c. 1822 Lake Champlain to Desanges BELAIR. They baptised a son : Michel GINSSE 03 Mars 1828 (born Apr/May 1826, 22 months old) at Ste-Marie-de-Monnoir (Rouville co.) Quebec. The mother is said to be deceased and the father is deceased when Michel marries Onesime GERVAIS in 1847 in the same parish. Now, I'm suspecting that George GINCE might be of german descent and could probably be related to : GANS (Cantz, Ganus, Gause), Christophe, born. c. 1756 Versbach (Wurtzburg) Hesse-Hanau, Infanterie reg., Von Schoell co. m. bef. 1778 : Marguerite-Cunegonde FURSTERER. Three known children : 1. Louis bpt. 14 Jun. 1778 Trois-Rivières m. 1805 Mtl : Barbe VAUCELLE ; 2. Elisabeth bpt. 13 May 1780 Quebec m. 1798 Mtl : Pierre MARTIN, m. 1807 St-Hyacinthe : Antoine MENARD dit BELLEROSE. Elisabeth bur. 09 Oct. 1807 at St-Hyacinthe ; 3. Eleonore bpt. 09 Oct. 1782 Quebec bur. 11 Nov. 1784 Montreal Marguerite-Cunegonde FURSTERER was buried 4 Jun. 1804 Montreal. Christophe GANS remarried 07 Jan. 1805 Montreal to Marie-Louise ROUILLARD (Gabriel & Marie-Louise LOYAL). One daughter : 1. Marie-Elisabeth bpt. 22 Oct. 1805 Montreal Christophe GANS buried 12 May 1807 at Notre-Dame de Montréal. Any infos would be greatly appreciated. Dominique Ritchot

I can't help much with information about Christ. Wagner, but I know a great deal about a Hessian soldier who lived in the same vicinity. My ancestor, Hessian soldier George Fazenbaker, lived perhaps 15 to 20 miles west of Old Town. See http://users.erols.com/ashlie/FAZENBAK.HTM George and his family lived on Big Savage Mountain a few miles north of present-day Westernport in what is now the eastern edge of Garrett County, Maryland. George Fazenbaker was already living there in 1787 when the first records of the area were made in 1787. These 1787 records listed over 300 homesteaders who were settled on state owned land in what is now Allegany County and Garrett County; these records do not mention a Wagner. George's service as a Hessian soldier was well known by his descendants. His service has been passed down with pride in family tradition to the present day. Walt Warnick ------------------------------ Ron Ferry wrote: > List and Susan King- > > > >>Honestly, I'm at a loss as to how I'm ever going to determine if >>the Christopher near Oldtown, MD in 1792 was indeed a "Hessian". >>Other than land records, censuses and tax lists, I don't know that any >> >> >further > > >>documentation exists on my Christopher. >> >> > >You are not looking for Christ.Wagner only, but any other Hessian soldier >who may have be amongst his associates ie., neighbors, partner in land, >sponsor of children (church records?), guardianship of children. >I typed ["Old Town"+Md+hessian] into GOOGLE and had 136 hits. One, >a Geo.Fazenbaker, reported as a Rev War Vet and former Hessian soldier. >Any others who may have settled in the area, won't be that easy of course. > > > >>And it wouldn't be something he advertised, right? >> >> > >Personally, I don't think their service it was hidden as much as some folks >believe. At least not after the British pulled up stakes. They were living >among friends and relatives from Germany. A proven honorable people. > > > >>Hessian possibility as a result of our oral family history. My >> >> >grandfather, > > >>...told me the "Hessian mercenary" story. Then a cousin from an >>entirely different line said ....the same thing.... >> >> > >While oral traditions can't be trusted, most folks on this List wish they >had as much circumstantial evidence to go on. > >Regards, >Ron Ferry > > > > >==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== >The Source HETRINA has been discussed more often than anything >else, you find the explanations by checking our key word archive >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=amrev-hessians >You can find it by typing in "26 feb 1999" and look for HETRINA. >Or check the Threaded Archives for February 1999 - Hetrina publication. > > > > >

List and Susan King- > Honestly, I'm at a loss as to how I'm ever going to determine if > the Christopher near Oldtown, MD in 1792 was indeed a "Hessian". > Other than land records, censuses and tax lists, I don't know that any further > documentation exists on my Christopher. You are not looking for Christ.Wagner only, but any other Hessian soldier who may have be amongst his associates ie., neighbors, partner in land, sponsor of children (church records?), guardianship of children. I typed ["Old Town"+Md+hessian] into GOOGLE and had 136 hits. One, a Geo.Fazenbaker, reported as a Rev War Vet and former Hessian soldier. Any others who may have settled in the area, won't be that easy of course. > And it wouldn't be something he advertised, right? Personally, I don't think their service it was hidden as much as some folks believe. At least not after the British pulled up stakes. They were living among friends and relatives from Germany. A proven honorable people. > Hessian possibility as a result of our oral family history. My grandfather, > ...told me the "Hessian mercenary" story. Then a cousin from an > entirely different line said ....the same thing.... While oral traditions can't be trusted, most folks on this List wish they had as much circumstantial evidence to go on. Regards, Ron Ferry

Hello Denis, I want to acknowledge the receipt of your book "The Life of a German Mercenary - The Chaylt Family in Canada." and want to mention that I had plenty time to read it front to back when I had my wife in the Emergency for 9 1/2 hours. I did enjoy reading your study, although your description of the expedition to Fort Stanwix missed a very important part, that of the Battle of Oriskany, when the Patriot General Herkimer lost his life. The Jaegers were involved in this as well. (see book by Gavin K. Watt- Rebellion in the Mohawk Valley, 2002) Denis, as you are probably aware of, I have now retired and my research material has gone to the Marilyn Adams Genealogical Research Centre in Ameliasburg. They will display it there for Hessian research. I am still finding the odd item which I am collecting for a later transfer. I will add your book to this collection, unless you want to mail them one yourself. Thanks again, and good luck in further life, and as far as your poems go, why not put them over the AMREV-HESSIANS mail list where you also find the Stegmann descendants e-mails. Best wishes, John Merz ----- Original Message ----- From: "denis robillard" <robipoet@hotmail.com> To: <hessian@sympatico.ca> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 2:13 PM Subject: STEGMAN and German poems > > Hi John:: > > Hope you are well and got my Hessian book in one piece. Hope you enjoy > reading it too, knowing that you had a large hand to play in it.......A > while ago I was interested in contacting the lady who was a relative of > Stegman, the surveyor. As you know, I am writing a series of poems on my > Hessian ancestor and other soldiers right now. I have over 30 poems and > continue doing research and writing every weekend. MY plan is to publish a > series of chapbooks commemorating the efforts and exploits of our German > ancestors. I want to double my efforts on men whose lives interest me. One > of them was Stegman. He sounds like an interesting fellow. It was for that > reason I had asked you about the address. DO you still have it. Or perhaps > you could give her mine and then she could contact me. I am sure she would > like to know that someone is writing poems about her ancestor. > > Anyway, John can you get back to me when you have a chance. > > > Denis Robillard > > > > &gt;From: &quot;John Merz&quot; &lt;hessian@sympatico.ca&gt; > &gt;To: &quot;denis robillard&quot; > &lt;robipoet@hotmail.com&gt;,&lt;ritchotd@videotron.ca&gt; > &gt;Subject: Re: STEGMAN and Creutzbourg > &gt;Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:55:39 -0500 > &gt; > &gt;Thanks Denis - > &gt; > &gt;Dominique, are you forwarding this to the list? > &gt;Greetings, > &gt;John > &gt; > &gt;----- Original Message ----- > &gt;From: &quot;denis robillard&quot; &lt;robipoet@hotmail.com&gt; > &gt;To: &lt;ritchotd@videotron.ca&gt;; &lt;hessian@sympatico.ca&gt; > &gt;Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 5:24 PM > &gt;Subject: STEGMAN and Creutzbourg > &gt; > &gt; > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; Hi there:: > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; Once in a while I come back on this list to see what is > happening. I have > &gt; &gt; been so busy with work and writing projects that I have neglected > my > &gt;Hessian > &gt; &gt; roots. Again, congratulations are in order for Dominique and the > new job > &gt;as > &gt; &gt; well as the happy retirement of John Merz. I think the new home > for all > &gt;your > &gt; &gt; research and papers will be in a fitting and comfortable home, > John. > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; John, I have not forgotten about you. THe copy of my book on > Valentin > &gt;Scheid > &gt; &gt; is coming in the mail. I hope you will enjoy it. Thank you so much > for > &gt;your > &gt; &gt; help in this project the past 6 years.Now, I noticed from the > Hessian > &gt;list > &gt; &gt; from early october that there was a woman doing research on John > Stegman. > &gt;I > &gt; &gt; have a few leads here that may be of interest to her if you pass > my email > &gt; &gt; along to her. It was cut off or clipped in the last correspondence > so I > &gt;was > &gt; &gt; not able to read it. > &gt; &gt; l > &gt; &gt; Also, I am including here a few names from the Creutzbourg Journal > that I > &gt; &gt; received over the last 2 years. I have over 100 typed pages of > this > &gt; &gt; invaluable manuscript from New Jersey. (Why Canada does not even > have a > &gt;sole > &gt; &gt; copy --I do not know). Anyway here are some names, that I tried to > verify > &gt;in > &gt; &gt; John's excellent book (Register of German Military Men), however > some of > &gt; &gt; these may have escaped notice: > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; OBERY, a Jaegar is mentioned on p. 61. It stated that he was a > drunk and > &gt; &gt; was in Kreutzbourg's regiment. He was willing to sign an affdavit > that > &gt;said > &gt; &gt; he had been in Canada 5 years before this time. (1773???). His > place of > &gt; &gt; origin is not given. Is he a Hessian? > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; HENSE (for a previous viewer) is mentioned several times in > Kreutzbourg's > &gt; &gt; accounts. > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; BETZEL p.69 He is mentiioned as having deserted in Einbeck. > Colonel > &gt; &gt; Ehrenkrook of the Brunswick troops was to reclaim this man and 4 > other > &gt; &gt; deserters. > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; WEINLEIN mentioned on p. 74 was a wagon flunky with the corps > under > &gt; &gt; Kreutzbourg. On December 25th 1778 his hand s froze and he had to > get 7 > &gt; &gt; fingers cut off by the surgeon....no other mention of him. > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; Thereus HAMERLE from Altmumster in Suavia (p76) was sited as one > of > &gt;several > &gt; &gt; men who consipred to rob a local man. A court martial was set up > for this > &gt; &gt; and the results were sent to the war commision. HAMERLE in this > instance > &gt;is > &gt; &gt; noted as being a &quot;muskateer&quot; (Brunskwicker?) > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; LINDNER (a jesuit priest from Bamberg) is mentioned p.80 > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; p83 &quot;A fellow named BEIST from Seindenroth near Stenau was > brought along > &gt;by > &gt; &gt; sergeant Wurth to jjoin the jaeger corps here.&quot; > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; BIRCHENSTOCK--p.86 THis man is said to have been a recruit taken > from New > &gt; &gt; York (c.1779) Kretuzbourg knew him since he had enlisted him for > the > &gt; &gt; Landgraf regiment. > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; > &gt; > >

Susan King, I have experience in the Shenandoah Valley with two of my German (Mennonite-though apparently non-practicing) ancestors, Christian/Christopher COKONOUGHER (Jr. & Sr.). The two given names were used interchangeably by the tax and Census takers, but they seemed to have used primarily Christian in deed records, though not exclusively. With abbreviations, the given name could be found about 5 ways. It was the surname that really had all the spelling variations---over 50 identified (as with so many of the German names). Bob Fetters, descendant of Hessian Cpl. John Henry Hammer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan King" <susanking@carolina.rr.com> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Re: Wagner / Bonstein researchers > Thanks for your replay, Michael. The man you mention would certainly be an > option. Honestly, I'm at a loss as to how I'm ever going to determine if > the Christopher near Oldtown, MD in 1792 was indeed a "Hessian". Other than > land records, censuses and tax lists, I don't know that any further > documentation exists on my Christopher. And it wouldn't be something he > advertised, right? > > Just to tell you how I've come to this point...I began researching the > Hessian possibility as a result of our oral family history. My grandfather, > before he died, told me the "Hessian mercenary" story. Then a cousin from > an entirely different line said she had been told the same thing by a great > aunt. When a recently found cousin from yet another line told me that > whenever his grandparents had been asked about our Waggoner roots, they were > scolded and told never to ask again because the early Waggoners were nothing > to be proud of. So, that, given the dates and the locations in MD and > southern PA, spurred me to check into the theory. No doubt of the German > origin. > > Unless I hit paydirt with a record of some kind in Allegany Co., MD, I'm not > sure where to go with it at this point. ??? > > I have noticed that the names Christopher and Christian are often > questioned, probably, unfortunately because they are often abbreviated. > But, does anyone know if they are basically interchangeable? Could one or > the other be similar to a nickname? > > Thanks! > > Susan > > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe click on AMREV-HESSIANS-L-request@rootsweb.com > and write one single word unsubscribe in subject line and text field. > No other words or explanations or it won't work. > See our HESSIAN SOLDIER plaque - http://www.crbronzeworks.com/hessian/ >

Thanks for your replay, Michael. The man you mention would certainly be an option. Honestly, I'm at a loss as to how I'm ever going to determine if the Christopher near Oldtown, MD in 1792 was indeed a "Hessian". Other than land records, censuses and tax lists, I don't know that any further documentation exists on my Christopher. And it wouldn't be something he advertised, right? Just to tell you how I've come to this point...I began researching the Hessian possibility as a result of our oral family history. My grandfather, before he died, told me the "Hessian mercenary" story. Then a cousin from an entirely different line said she had been told the same thing by a great aunt. When a recently found cousin from yet another line told me that whenever his grandparents had been asked about our Waggoner roots, they were scolded and told never to ask again because the early Waggoners were nothing to be proud of. So, that, given the dates and the locations in MD and southern PA, spurred me to check into the theory. No doubt of the German origin. Unless I hit paydirt with a record of some kind in Allegany Co., MD, I'm not sure where to go with it at this point. ??? I have noticed that the names Christopher and Christian are often questioned, probably, unfortunately because they are often abbreviated. But, does anyone know if they are basically interchangeable? Could one or the other be similar to a nickname? Thanks! Susan

Hello Susan: I noticed that you were searching for information regarding Christopher Wagner as possibly being a hessian ancestor. I am wondering if your ancestor may have been the Brunswicker Christ. Wagener (Don't know for sure whether this man's first name was Christopher or Christian...Claus Reuter's book shows it as being CHristian, but Riedesel's Order Book just says "Christ.")? He was born in approximately 1753 in Calvorde, within the Duchy of Brunswick, and was a private in the Grenedier Battalion von Mengen. He was captured at the Battle of Bennington on August 16, 1777, and Reuter's book also shows him as being a POW at Lancaster. Any chance that this is your man??? Michael Kasler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan King" <susanking@carolina.rr.com> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 2:13 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Re: Wagner / Bonstein researchers > Hi, > > I'm a newbie at Hessian research, but am getting started digging into my > possible gggg grandfather, Christopher Waggoner/Wagoner/Wagner. He was > b.bet 1750-1760, settled in Allegany Co., MD by 1792, and oral family > history has it that he may have been a "Hessian mercenary" (I have learned > of the misnomer). So, no connection as yet to the Wagners you list, but > I'll certainly keep them in mind as I search. > > Susan King

Hi, I'm a newbie at Hessian research, but am getting started digging into my possible gggg grandfather, Christopher Waggoner/Wagoner/Wagner. He was b.bet 1750-1760, settled in Allegany Co., MD by 1792, and oral family history has it that he may have been a "Hessian mercenary" (I have learned of the misnomer). So, no connection as yet to the Wagners you list, but I'll certainly keep them in mind as I search. Susan King

on eBay http://www.ebay.com Item Number 4504248920 seller name the-hessian Good luck, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Merz" <hessian@sympatico.ca> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Re: Heinrich Bitter-Hessian > "The Virginia Germans" by Klaus Wust - > eBay description with next posting, > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Allan Clark" <allanc@ca.inter.net> > Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 12:50 PM > > > What is the name of the Book > > Allan >

"The Virginia Germans" by Klaus Wust - eBay description with next posting, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Clark" <allanc@ca.inter.net> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Re: Heinrich Bitter-Hessian > What is the name of the Book > > Allan