Forwarded to Amrev-Hessians list: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Eamer" <eamermp@sympatico.ca> >; <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 10:30 AM Subject: RE: Bernhard Doenges, Hanau Jaeger. > Thanks for your information. As was the Hessian way of fitting in I have no > knowledge of German language at all (except for a few words and one phrase). > But the pictures are wonderful. I can understand your frustration of a > webmaster. My daughter is ours for the St. Lawrence Branch UEL but has > little time now being in college. As I am still no were near retirement my > time is limited: split between my Civilian job, the Army Reserve, a young > family (19,11,9)and my hobby of genealogy. But what I hear of retirement > you are just as busy. > I wish you and all your extended family a happy holiday season and > remembrance of our German ancestors every time we see a Christmas Tree. > Mike > > Loyally yours, > > Michael C Eamer,CD,UE > Past President/Treasurer, St. Lawrence Br UELAC > http://www.ripnet.com/sites/uelstlawrencebr/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Merz [mailto:hessian@sympatico.ca] > Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 11:47 AM > > Hello James (Jim) > My website is on the way out. Anyway, 90% of the German site consists of pictures, and pictures do not need translations. There are your Hanauer Jaegers. > > I also had a copy of a letter to you from your new found > cousin, and it seems that both the DOENGES from Hanau, > (Bernhard) may gave been related right back to Mittelbuchen, which would not surprise me, Mittelbuchen so close to Hanau that it now has been incorporated into Hanau. > > Anyway, I wish you a happy Christmas season and much fun > in your ancestor hunt. > Friendly greetings, > yours > John Helmut Merz

Forwrded for your entertainment: From: "Ed St.Germain" <Patriot1@AmericanRevolution.org> Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 10:27 AM > Source: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Battle of Iron Works Hill > > They celebrate a defeat that gave rise to victories > > By Frank Kummer > Philadelphia Inquirer Staff Writer > > The wooded hill that gives name to Mount Holly rises 185 feet, providing a > graceful view of the town below and a perfect spot to launch a cannon > attack. > > Facing the smaller Iron Works Hill a mile to the east, "the Mount" became > emblematic of a "great misfortune" that befell Hessian troops 228 years ago > this Christmas. > > The misfortune came when Carl Emilius von Donop, a Hessian colonel, took up > a position on the Mount and defeated a group of Americans. > > But Donop dallied for days with his troops in Mount Holly, possibly > entranced by Betsy Ross, and was hopelessly out of position to help his > comrades in Trenton as George Washington slipped across the Delaware to > attack. > > Now, at least one historian and a group of local reenactors are lending > fresh weight to the Battle of Iron Works Hill as a more significant event in > Washington's pivotal maneuver than previously thought. > > "I think it was a key battle," said Ian Johns, who on Sunday will take part > with more than 100 other enthusiasts armed with cannons and muskets in a > commemoration of the battle in downtown Mount Holly. > > A new book, Washington's Crossing, published by Oxford University Press, > also gives some prominence to the Dec. 23-24, 1776, battle, which remains > largely unknown to many locals. > > The book's author, Brandeis University historian David Hackett Fisher, > quotes one dismayed Hessian captain surveying the unintended impact of the > Iron Works Hill battle. > > "This great misfortune, which surely caused the utter loss of the thirteen > splendid provinces of the Crown of England, was due partly to... the fault > of Colonel Dunop, who was led by the nose to Mount Holly... and detained > there by love. > > "Thus," he continued, "the fate of entire Kingdoms often depends upon a few > blockheads and irresolute men." > > Events surrounding Washington's crossing of the Delaware and capture of > Trenton are complex, and many factors contributed to the Continental Army's > success. No one calls Mount Holly the decisive factor. > > Yet it is clear that 2,000 Hessian and Scottish troops who should have been > in Bordentown to support Trenton or cut off Washington were instead a day's > march away in Mount Holly. > > The seat of Burlington County essentially became a fateful diversion as > Donop set out to quell the colonials led by Virginia Col. Samuel Griffin. > > Griffin's small force of Virginia artillery and Pennsylvania infantry had > been moving through South Jersey in mid-December 1776. They were joined by > 500 militia, half of them boys, from Cumberland, Salem and Gloucester > Counties, Fisher wrote. > > Donop's agents chased American troops to Mount Holly on Dec. 21, falsely > believing they numbered in the thousands. Donop attacked with cannons > dragged up the mount. Crown forces won the battle. Americans, based at Iron > Works Hill and below, retreated to Moorestown. > > Instead of marching back to a critical position at Bordentown, Donop > remained in Mount Holly with his 2,000 troops. > > He had taken up at a home where he might have been smitten with an > "exceedingly beautiful young widow," according to an account from the time. > > The widow has never been successfully identified. Fisher wrote that Betsy > Ross, acquainted with a key Mount Holly family and other connections, was a > possibility. > > The theory was first raised by historian Joseph Tustin, who has found ample > connections between Ross and Mount Holly. But he acknowledged there was no > solid evidence. > > As Donop dallied, only 1,500 Hessians remained garrisoned 18 miles away at > Trenton when Washington began his surprise attack. Donop's troops realized > the mistake when they heard the thud of cannons from the direction of > Trenton. > > Some theorize that Washington may not have launched his attack had Donop's > troops been in Bordentown. > > Johns, who lives 150 yards from the mount where Hessians set up "6-pounder" > cannons, got the idea of commemorating the battle with reenactors in the > summer of 2003. > > He and Dennis Rizzo, a fellow Mount Holly resident, had met during the Road > to Monmouth Heritage Campaign, which commemorated the 225th anniversary of > the Battle of Monmouth. Iron Works Hill was included as a footnote. > > "I live in Mount Holly, but I didn't know that much about Iron Works Hill," > said Johns, 48, a technical writer for Towers Perrin. "I sort of knew that > something had happened, but I never looked up what the details were. It > wasn't just that the British spent a couple of nights here the following > year, as many people think." > > So he and Rizzo dug into the history, with research from the Burlington > County Historical Society and plaques marking the battle site. They held the > first commemoration of Iron Works Hill last December. > > "We were fascinated that something happened in town that we never paid much > attention to," Rizzo said. > > About 40 troop reenactors showed that day, as well as 100 members of the > public, in a sleet and snow storm. "We found we could actually pull this > thing off," Rizzo said. > > If You Go > > The commemoration of the Battle of Iron Works Hill in Mount Holly will begin > 11 a.m. Sunday with crown forces encamped at the Burlington County Prison > Museum on High Street and colonial militia encamped at Mill Race Village. > > The battle will be staged with cannons and muskets from about 2:15 p.m., > culminating about 3 p.m. at Monroe Street Park. > > For more information, go to www.ironworkshill.org.

Please folks excuse my ecstacy, I am so happy to see how things work out so well. It is a Christmas present to me, I did not expect. And all came about with one little chapter in my book "The Hessians of Upper Canada" page 194 - DOENGES, Bernhard, which was read by Michael Eamer, UE. and brought the connection. I am happy for all of us, thanks to everyone, John Helmut Merz (and with all this excitement perhaps we'll find my little Doenges lady from Bleichenbach b.1790) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Eamer" <eamermp@sympatico.ca> To: <jplalone@prodigy.net> Cc: "'John Merz'" <hessian@sympatico.ca> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 10:38 AM Re Bernhard DOENGES, Hessen-Hanau Jaeger of I too am a descendant of Barnhard (Donges) Tinkes. My Grandmother was Sadie Ethel Tinkess dau of James Bergin Tinkess/Mary Margaret Norman Gdau of James Nelson Tinkess/Margaret Jane Begg Ggdau of John L Tines/Ellen Beckstead Gggdau of Barnhardt Donges/Mary(Margaret?) Gill. It would be interesting to find out if the McDonald is true, as it shows up on my mothers side as well and how far back the records of names can reach on any side of the family. Just looking up the Tinkess book has your name in the first chapter second paragraph page 1, as having traced back to 1609 in Mittelbuchen, Germany. It would be interesting to get those names, places and dates. How far we have come from when the book was published by James R. Tinkess in 1991 to suspecting he was a KRRNY to now knowing he was a Jaeger. I was never close to this side of the family growing up as my grandmother was sick and bed ridden in a nursing home in Newington as long as I can remember. There are cousins still living on the original homestead and my mother does know them. I even went to the same schools but not the same grades. Back then it didn't seam to matter growing up on a farm. My father always said we were Dutch, to which I know now is not true. My interest in the family happened only after he had died and a reunion of Eamers held a year later. It is amazing how much was covered up do to hatred of our own origins just to fit in. Gavin K Watt said that Barnhard as a Jaeger was probably attached to the KRRNY and saying that, he most likely knew my other German palatine ancestors of the KRRNY (Eamer, Gallinger, Shaver) Loyally yours, Cousin Mike Michael C Eamer,CD,UE Captain (SD&G Highlanders - CF Army Reserve) Past President/Treasurer, St. Lawrence Br UELAC http://www.ripnet.com/sites/uelstlawrencebr/ -----Original Message----- From: John Merz [mailto:hessian@sympatico.ca] Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 7:46 PM To: Michael Eamer Subject: RootsWeb Message Boards - Message [ Re Bernhard DOENGES, Hessen-Hanau Jaeger of Boards > Surnames > Doenges URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=message&r=rw&p=surnames.doenges&m=19.1 .1.1.1 Subject: Re: Bernhard DOENGES, Hessen-Hanau Jaeger of the AmRev. Author: James P. LaLone Date: 09 Dec 2004 11:14 PM GMT Email: I am descended from John TINKES (s/o Bernard & Margaret GILL) who married to Nellie/Ellen BEDSTEAD/BECKSTED/BECHSTADT (d/o Maurice/Morris & Helena {McDONALD?]). Barney had three sons, John being the oldest. Barney received a 500 acre crown grant in Osnabruck Twp., Ontario where the family lived. John TINKES was my gr-gr-grandfather. If you get on the Family Trees you will see where a distant cousin has posted my lineage. Jim. PS: I collect all the DINGES/DOENGES/TINKES/etc. families as it is a very unusual surname and I am sure somewhere along the line all are connected. I had a German neighbor when I was growing up and she said it may have been Scandinavian in origin. I have found a spelling variation in the Netherlands and Vicounts DONGES (forget the exact spelling) in France. There was a large influx of people with this name that came in the 1840's and settled in the Indiana/Illinois area that came from Darmstadt.

Hello James (Jim) this reply goes direct to you without the help of the Board. My website is on the way out, my website designer abandoned me, said it was to hard. Anyway, 90% of the German site consists of pictures, and pictures do not need translations. There are your Hanauer Jaegers. I also had a copy of a letter to you from your new found cousin, and it seems that both the DOENGES from Hanau, (Bernhard) may gave been related right back to Mittelbuchen, which would not surprise me, Mittelbuchen so close to Hanau that it now has been incorporated into Hanau. Anyway, I wish you a happy Christmas season and much fun in your ancestor hunt. Friendly greetings, yours John Helmut Merz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Message Boards" <Boards@Ancestry.com> To: <hessian@sympatico.ca> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 10:35 PM Subject: Message Boards: A reply has been posted to your message. > A reply has been posted to your message, "Re: Bernhard DOENGES, Hessen-Hanau Jaeger of the AmRev." on "9 Dec 2004 11:52 PM GMT". > > Board : Boards > Surnames > Doenges > Subject : Re: Bernhard DOENGES, Hessen-Hanau Jaeger of the AmRev. > Author : James P. LaLone > Date : 9 Dec 2004 3:35 AM GMT > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/iBT.2ACEB/19.1.1.1.1.1.1 > > Thank you. >

Hello Hessians; This came into my mailbox, and since I have two soldiers named HAGER in my 'GUIDE', one from the A-B and one from K-7, who is also mentioned by the Schwalm's, I thought you may want to have a look at this. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy & Bill" <Brobst-Hager@mindspring.com> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 2:04 PM > Source: HAGER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Hagers/Haugers for Christmas > > Many of you have inquired as to when copies of "The Hager > Chronicles" would again be available. The printer finally came > through in time for Christmas. > > This book is the story of the many German Hager families who > immigrated in America in the 1700s and early 1800s. They > settled in New Jersey, New England, and North Carolina, and > spread out from there. The book discusses those families, their > movements, and their descendants through the late 1800s. > > Included are the families of: > Jonathan Hager, Founder of Hagerstown, MD > David Hager, Jonathan's brother > John Hauger, who started the Somerset Co, PA, Hager clan > George Hager, who started the Fayette Co, PA, Hager clan > Jonathan "Tavern Keeper" Hager, who operated taverns and > built wagons in > Chambersburg, PA, and Hagerstown, MD > William Hager (1625), who with Mary Bemis, settled in > Massachusetts > Gerhardt Heuger (~1560), who fathered the Hager clan in > Siegen, Germany > Johann Heinrich Hager (1678) who settled in Schoharie Co, NY > > Johann Georg (1733) and Johann Wilhelm (1725) Hager who > settled in > North Carolina > Johann Philip Hager (1765) whose descendants ended up in > Tazewell Co, VA > Johannes Hager (1759), the conscripted Hessian, whose > descendants > ended up in Floyd Co, KY > Johann Philip Hager (1712) who settled in Bucks Co, PA > And many others > > This book will make an excellent present for those of you > who can't figure out what to give your parents or children for > Christmas. The book answers so many of the questions which > Hagerologists have posted on the message boards and have > submitted to the Hager Registry for answers. The price for the > 150 page book is $24 soft cover and $45 hard cover. For > details, contact the Hager Registry, address below. > > Bill > > William A. Brobst, Curator and Editor > "The Hager Chronicles", 2004 > Hager Family Historical Registry > 6072 Currituck Road, Kitty Hawk, NC 27949 > 252-261-3068 Brobst-Hager@mindspring.com > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=hager >

To the AMREV-HESSIANS mail list Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 8:24 PM > ======================================== > Source: DINGES-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: DINGES/DINGESS from DOENGES ! > > Surnames: DOENGES, DINGES, DINGESS, TINKESS, TINKES, TINKIS. > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/hBT.2ACIB/24.1 > > This is getting more interesting as we go along - I mentioned > in my previous posting to this DINGES Message Board that > I just had posted a message about a Hessian soldier of the > American Revolution to the DOENGES Message Board. > Today there was a reply from a DINGESS descendant, who > as I checked him out, is a contributor in a big way to the > DINGESS Message Board - get it? DOENGES - DINGES - > and DINGESS, plus the other variations starting with a "T", > like TINKESS, TINKES and TINKIS. When I checked the > DINGESS Board (the one with the double-S spelling), I did > notice some more peculiarities, like many of the individuals > named in the early 1800s came from West Virginia or Maryland, which makes me just think that the original > progenitor may have been that Hessen-Hanau solder > Christoph DOENGES from Mittelbuchen near Hanau, > who is described in the Journal of the Pennsylvania German > Society, vol. 23/1989/2, page 52. > Incidentely, I am the mail list administrator of the Rootsweb > mailing list AMREV-HESSIANS-L@ and if you are up to > snuff, you could check the mail list archives of that list > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > You finally may find your true roots :-) plus getting some > interesting history lessons about the American Revolution. > Yours truly, > John Helmut Merz, > looking for my Anna Barbara DOENGES, born 1780 in > Bleichenbach near Ortenberg/Hessen. >

Forwarded by permission of the original author: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Eamer" <eamermp@sympatico.ca> To: "'John Merz'" <hessian@sympatico.ca> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 3:30 PM Subject: RE: I have a Hesse-Hanau Jaeger Corp Ancestor You can post it. I have the book for any lookups. All names after his is a surname of Tinkess/Tinkes/Tinkis/Tinkes which is what he changed his name to. Born 15 April 1753 Hanau, Germany. He married Mary Gill (b.Scotland) daughter of Revenerent W. Gill (Scottish Presbyterian). They had three sons John L.Tinkes (m. Ellen Beckstead = 9 Children [my line and the one which the book follows]), Henry Tinkis/Tinkiss (m. Mary Jane Cairns =12 children) and Barney Tinkis/Tinkess(m. Devina Bush =14 children) Loyally yours, Michael C Eamer,CD,UE Past President/Treasurer, St. Lawrence Br UELAC http://www.ripnet.com/sites/uelstlawrencebr/ -----Original Message----- From: John Merz [mailto:hessian@sympatico.ca] Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 10:45 AM To: Michael Eamer Subject: Re: I have a Hesse-Hanau Jaeger Corp Ancestor Thank you, Sir, Bernhard Doenges came from my hometown Hanau, but I myself have not found a connection to him in my tree. Would you mind if I post your letter to the AMREV-HESSIANS mail list? I am sure there are others very much interested in this name. Would appreciate, Sincerely John Helmut Merz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Eamer" <eamermp@sympatico.ca> To: "'John Merz'" <hessian@sympatico.ca> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 3:49 PM Subject: I have a Hesse-Hanau Jaeger Corp Ancestor Dear Sir My ancestor is listed in your books as Doenges, Bernhard on page 194 of "The Hessians Of Upper Canada". I only wish to thank you for publishing your information as it is of interest to me. I was first referenced to this book by Gavin K Watt and everything makes sense. Where he settled etc. I also have todate four KRRNY 2nd BN ancestors who probably knew him as an attachment to the KRRNY as a Jaeger. Approx 1991 James R. Tinkess from BC publish our family history of Barnhard (Donges) Tinkes (why is it that the most interested family members are the farthest away in distance to the physical geographical source? I grew up passing the land every school day by bus.) But his best guess is that he was a KRRNY due to where he had settled. His references only mentioned that he served the king as a soldier and not the regiment. The book is hard covered but is lacking in organizational skills as it doesn't have an alphabetized list of family members and does not give the date of publishing or who printed it. It was published just after the Tinkess Reunion -Morrisburg,Ont 16-17-18 Aug 1991 as it is mentioned in the Preface. Again thank you for putting a piece of the puzzle together. Loyally yours, Michael C Eamer,CD,UE Captain (SD&G Highlanders - CF Army Reserve) Past President/Treasurer, St. Lawrence Br UELAC http://www.ripnet.com/sites/uelstlawrencebr/

----- Original Message ----- From: Faye Parker To: John Merz Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 3:27 PM Subject: Re: PML Search Hessians - Bare bones questions ;( My hessian soldier is fairly well-known at least on the net. Johan Nicholaus Linck/Linke/Link. Oh yeah about the fuzzy etc. supposedly acording to a stupid test I took thats my secret *giggle* chrismas elf name.

Hello Hessians; This is to remind one living descendant of this Brunswick soldier to get in touch with me privately. It is kind of important. There is an issue which needs clearing up. Cheers, John Merz.

Hello Amrev-Hessians - Sunday morning - trying to clean up some more of that pile on my desk, found a note on top - Henry Bittenhelzer - remembered that we talked about him on this list just last month, meaning that note is not too old. Note says: Henry BITTENHELZER (Pittenhelser), married 5. April 1788, to Elizabeth BEARD, born 1757/58, died 1793. The Marriage Bond, dated 3. April 1788 identifies her as the sister of Jacob BEARD, who was the Bondsman, and the marriage was performed by Simon HARR. Elizabeth must have died shortly after the marriage, as Henry married again on 6. Aug. 1793 to Barbara DURST. Father of Elizabeth was Zacharias BARD born ca. 1719 in Germany. This marriage entry I found in John W. Wayland's "A History of Shenandoah County, Virginia, page 756, actually, Henry's first marriage is on page 749. (Whoa - better sell this book before it drives me nuts - here is the wedding of Henry Liller on page 746, I have it on eBay for 2 more days.) Now I am going to file this away, let Suzanne Baird and Karen Moore take over on this one. So it won't be lost, here is also a website http://www.genfiles.com/baird/bairdzach.htm and look for footnote 43. Have a nice Sunday John Helmut Merz

Dear Patricia, I would be amiss if I would not tell your story to our AmRev Hessians mail list, and I don't think you mind. When you read my postings of earlier days you will notice that all of my reserach material is now located at the S.A.R. Library in Louisville, Kentucky, together with some other Hessian research material of others. You may find help there (or from the subscribers of this list. Good luck and happy searching, John Helmut Merz Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. ----- Original Message ----- From: <pgrivers@comcast.net> To: "John Merz" <hessian@sympatico.ca> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 10:26 AM > John, > I just came across your Am. Rev. Hessian list last night and was very interested in it. > > My ancestor, Ludwig George, is found in the > > Passenger and Immigration Index, 1500s-1900s > Place: North America Year: 1779 > Primary immigrant: George, Ludwig > Permanent entry number: 143357 > Accession number: 9220834 > Source publication code: 3067.30 > Source publication page number: 60 > Source publication: HESSISCHE TRUPPEN IM AMERIKANISCHEN UNABHAENGIGKEITSKRIEG (HETRINA): Index nach Familiennamen. (Marburg: Archivschule) (Veroeffentlichungen der Archivschule Marburg, Institut fuer Archivwissenschaft, Nr. 10). Band I. Marburg, 1976; Auflage, 1984. > Source annotation: Hessian Troops in the American War for Independence: An Index According to Surname. Date and place of entry in unit books. Year of birth, place of origin, rank, unit, category of presentation, and archive code of the source are also provided. > Source: Passenger and Immigration Lists Index > (www.genealogy.com) > > This is where he has been proven for DAR with one problem, his name is listed as Gottleib George! > The National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution Volume 16 > page 12 > Mrs. Celeste George Wienges. > DAR ID Number: 155040 > Born in Lexington, S. C. > Wife of Othneil Henry Wienges. > Descendant of Gotleib George, as follows: > 1. Samuel B. George (b. 1871) m. 1896 Olga Hendrix (b. 1871). > 2. E. J. George (b. 1848) m. 1870 Bedia Taylor (1848-1918). > 3. Samuel George (1804-62) m. 1830 Susannah Kleckley (1811-88). > 4. Gotlieb George m. Anna Burkett (1762-1805). > Gotleib George (1760-1838) served as private in the South Carolina troops. He was born in Switzerland; died in Lexington County, S. C. > > **Gotlieb George is listed on the Granby Chapter NSDAR Patriot List of Lexington, SC.** No one in the contemporary George family can find any records with his name as Gotleib--we believe this was incorrectly accepted. The father of Susannah Kleckley was Gotleib Kleckley. So I want to prove my ancestry anew for DAR correctly and then I can use it for your organization, also. > > This happens to be some family lore about his coming to fight in the Am. Rev: > > From Michael J. George, Genforum post of 3/18/00 #1808 of George Genealogy Forum: > New Information: From John Rister, grandson of Ludwig George, written April 29,1901. This ancestor of the George families of Lexington County, SC left his mothers home in the Province of Hesse, at the age of 18. (He was born in Switzerland before his parents came down the Rhine to a new home). He was intercepted near the family spring and was not allowed to tell his mother of his capture by Hessian soldiers hired by their Emperor to the British, to be used to whip the Americans, and most were brought over by force. He sailed with an expedition that landed in Charleston, SC while the city was in the possession of the British. (Beginning May 12,1780-Dec.14,1782) He was forced into the British lines but escaped the first night with many others. He crossed the Ashley River and joined the American forces. Next we find him at the battle of Kings Mt. Oct 7, 1780, then at the battle of Cowpens,SC Jan 17,1781 and last at the battle of Eutaw Springs, SC Sept.8,1781, the last major battle in SC of the American Revolution. He was paid off in a bounty grant of 100 acres in Georgetown County but found out it was in the marsh lands and never went to see it. He settled in the Dutch Fork and was attracted there by the German Lutherans. Near the present Zion Lutheran Church he fought a saber duel with a Mr. Drear. He married Anna M. Burkett on the eighth day of XX 1783 in Broad River Township. She died in 1807. In 1810 he married Mary Earheart (Areheart) at the old Saluda Factory, about 3 miles NW of Columbia. On a farm now known as the Cumalander place, about 2 miles east of Chapin, SC, he lived out his life and was placed in an unmarked grave in 1848. > > So that is why I would like to subscribe to your group. Can you advise me what papers I may need to prove lineage for your society. Thank you very much for your time. > > Patricia George Rivers > 640 Edmonds Drive > Charleston, SC 29412 > pgrivers@comcast.net >

Found this in my Hotmail box - a bit late, but not too late for our mail list archives. Btw. are we talking about Conrad NIENSTEDT, of the Dragoner Regiment Prinz Ludwig, from Amsen (AMMENSEN), age 24/00 (appr. 1754/55) who deserted 13. Dec. 1778 on the march from Boston Winter Hill to Virginia in the vicinity of Everittstown, N.J. (Source #192 General Riedesel's Order Book) Cheers, John Merz (more at the SAR Library Louisville Kentucky) >Subject: Re: Conrad /Nienstedt/ BET 1776 AND 1778 Hessian Dragoon in >Brunswick regt. Pr >Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:21:39 -0500 > >Jane, > >Sorry, I'm not much of a generalist when it comes to Hessian research. I >have an interest in all phases, but research only within my own John Henry >Hammer line and locally (Ross County, OH). Guess, if John can't help, you >need to go to the List? > >Bob Fetters > ----- Original Message ----- > From: WMCURCI@aol.com > To: fetters@bright.net ; WMCURCI@aol.com ; hessianmerz@hotmail.com > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 1:47 PM > Subject: ALIA: Conrad /Nienstedt/ BET 1776 AND 1778 Hessian Dragoon in >Brunswick regt. Pr > > > Dear Robert and John, > > Below is a claim made by a researcher that her ancestor was a Hessian >soldier. Also see biography written around before 1900. > > I have searched the Hessian files also Johannes Schwalm files and have >found no clue as to the identity of this person. > > What do we do next? > > For your review. > > Warm regards, > > Jane > wmcurci@aol.com > > > Please see this file: > > 2-Stark County OH is where my Fetters family first came into OH, but is >in NE OH, and not near Ross County. (Re: Hessian, Henry Newstutter) > > Please scroll down to see data base: > >http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=judithnoh&id=I5996 > > ALIA: Conrad /Nienstedt/ > > Military Service: BET 1776 AND 1778 Hessian Dragoon in Brunswick regt. >Prinz Ludwig > > ###### > > http://www.heritagepursuit.com/Hancock/HancockFindlayTV.htm > > HENRY BYAL, retired farmer, Findlay, was born in Stark County, Ohio, >March 23, 1817, son of John and Elizabeth (Newstutter) Byal. He is the >fourth in descent from Byal, who settled in Baltimore, Md., from Paris, >France. Elizabeth Newstutter was a daughter of Henry Newstutter, who served >as a Hessian soldier with the British under Burgoyne was captured at >Saratoga and never exchanged. He came to Ohio in 1809 and settled in Stark >County. John Byal came with his father, William, to Ohio in 1809, when a >lad, and after spending twenty-three years in Stark County moved to this >county in 1832, where William died in 1840, followed by his son John in >1853 * (his widow surviving him about six years). They left a family of >nine children-four sons and five daughters. Our subject, when a young man, >worked on a farm and attended the saw-mill of his father. Upon reaching >manhood he engaged in farming, and cleared up a nice place for himself, >which he rented in 1847 and embarked in merchandising in Putnam County; >retiring from that after seven years' successful experience, he returned to >Findlay, where he has been identified with many different interests since, >principally, however, in baying and selling real estate. He was married, in >1842, to Dorotha Comer, who bore him one son and three daughters, of whom >Mary Elizabeth, wife of S. D. Houpt, is the only survivor. In 1860 Mrs. >Byal passed away her life in full communion with the Methodist Episcopal >Church, and is buried in Maple Grove Cemetery with her children: Squire C., >Amanda and Ida. In 1862 Mr. Byal was again united in marriage, this time- >with Mary, daughter of the late Jacob Lamb. Mr. and Mrs. Byal attend >services at the Presbyterian Church, of which he has been an efficient >official. He has always been a cordial supporter of measures tending to the >advancement of the interests of Hancock County, and has served this city >and township in useful official positions. > CAMPBELL BYAL (deceased), son of John and Elizabeth (Newstutter) Byal, >was born in 1835, and reared on the farm which he subsequently owned, in >Findlay Township, this county. He took great pride in this property, and >built upon and improved it until he had made it one of the moat beautiful >farms in Hancock County. Campbell Byal always took an active interest in >the development of the social and industrial life of this locality, and was >for many years a prominent spirit in the United Brethren Church, but the >breaking out of the war of the Rebellion created considerable dissension in >that body, and Mr. Byal chose a quiet retirement from church matters. He >served as infirmary director two terms, and as member of the school board >of his district for several terms, also in many township offices. He was >happily married in this county to Anna, daughter of Joel and Amy (Sherman) >Pendleton, and to them were born three sons and one daughter: John >Melville, Nora M. , Clement L. and Leslie L. Campbell Byal departed this >life August 11, 1881, and his remains are buried in Maple Grove Cemetery. > > ######## > ID: I5989 > Name: Conrad NEWSTETTER > Sex: M > ALIA: Conrad /Nienstedt/ > Birth: BET 1754 AND 1759 in Ammensen, Lower Saxony, Germany > Death: BEF APR 1826 in Tuscarawas Twp., Stark Co., OH > Military Service: BET 1776 AND 1778 Hessian Dragoon in Brunswick regt. >Prinz Ludwig > > Marriage 1 CATHARINE > Children > Mary NEWSTETTER > Barbara NEWSTETTER > Nancy Ann NEWSTETTER b: 2 DEC 1787 in Shippensburg, Cumberland, PA > Catharine NEWSTETTER b: 23 JAN 1791 in Cumberland Co. PA > Elizabeth NEWSTETTER b: 1792 in Cumberland Co. PA > Henry NEWSTETTER b: 12 DEC 1792 in Cumberland Co. PA or VA > Conrad NEWSTETTER b: 1800 in MIfflin Twp., Cumberland Co., PA > Sarah NEWSTETTER b: 17 FEB 1803 in MIfflin Twp., Cumberland Co, PA > Joseph NEWSTETTER b: ABT 1810 in MIfflin Twp., Cumberland Co., PA > > ID: I5996 > Name: Elizabeth NEWSTETTER > Sex: F > ALIA: Elizabeth /Newstutter/ > Birth: 1792 in Cumberland Co. PA > Death: 22 JAN 1859 in Findlay Twp., Hancock Co., OH of Palsy > Burial: UNKNOWN Maple Grove Cem., Findlay, Hancock Co., OH > > Father: Conrad NEWSTETTER b: BET 1754 AND 1759 in Ammensen, Lower >Saxony, Germany > Mother: CATHARINE > > Marriage 1 John BYALL b: 23 JUL 1791 in Baltimore Co. MD > Married: 25 JUN 1816 in Stark Co. OHChildren > Catherine Ann BYAL > Henry BYAL b: 23 MAR 1817 in Stark Co. OH > Girl BYALL b: ABT 1820 in Sugar Creek Twp., Stark Co., OH > Girl BYALL b: ABT 1820 in Sugar Creek Twp., Stark Co., OH > Nancy BYALL b: BET 1821 AND 1825 in Sugar Creek Twp., Stark Co., OH > Jacob BYAL b: 29 MAR 1822 in Sugar Creek Twp., Stark Co., OH > Jane BYALL b: BET 1825 AND 1830 in Sugar Creek Twp., Stark Co., OH > Martha BYALL b: 10 MAR 1827 in Sugar Creek Twp., Stark Co., OH > Rachel Elizabeth BYAL b: 1829 in Stark Co., OH > William BYAL b: AUG 1831 in Stark Co., OH > Campbell BYAL b: 1 OCT 1834 in Findlay Twp., Hancock Co., OH >

Forwarded to AMREV-HESSIANS mail list - please check the mail list archives. http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L ----- Original Message ----- From: Epgerber@aol.com To: hessian@sympatico.ca Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 2:07 PM Subject: Hessian Research Do you have any information on a hessian soldier named John Peffer (Johan Pfeffer) from Ruhlkirchen or Allendorf, Hesse Cassel, Germany. Thanks.

Forwarded to Amrev-Hessians list, perhaps someone can help this 'proud' fuzzy-brandy-butter-elf ;O, John whose Hessian research material now rests with the SAR. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Faye Parker" <fairplay51@yahoo.com> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 1:57 PM > Source: HARGIS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: DAR > > I have an ancestor who appears in my tree more than 8 times, who fought during the revolution. Unfortunately it was for the *other* side. he was a Hessian soldier, fought at saratoga was captured, sent to Albemarle Barracks escaped then never went home. > > > Proud member of the IBSSG better known as fuzzy-brandy-butter-elf >

Dear Diane, I noticed your search for this name on four Pennsylvania mailing lists, and I sure had hoped you had found something new since your last try in July 2004. At that time I posted your query to the AMREV-HESSIANS-L mail list (see mail list archives), however I did not see any direct responses. But this name is found in other years. Try http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl Good luck, John H. Merz. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane" <pandreasen@stny.rr.com> Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 5:49 PM ============================= > Source: PALACKAW-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: OSINCUP/OSENCUP/ETC. > > Just in case there are any other folks in the world searching the > OSENCUP/OSINCUP (and other variations) surname, here is a little info on my > line (at least I hope it is!): > > Jacob OSENCOPE d aft 1820 prob. Wilkes-Barre, Luzerne Co.., PA; Ch. Betsey m > Stephen Gilbert BARNES b 1782, Henry, Sarah m BARNES and Nancy b c 1800 m > John LaFRANCE (my line). > > 'History of Broome Co., NY' by H. P. Smith, 1885: Vestal, Tracy Creek - > 'Gilbert Osincup is a native of Vestal, where he was born in 1828, near the > farm on which he now lives. He is a son of Henry (above mentioned) who came > here from Kingston Valley in 1812. Henry's father was Jacob Osincup, a > Hessian soldier, who was taken prisoner at Valley Forge (Trenton) by > Washington's troops.' > > 'History of Broome Co., NY' by H. P. Smith, 1885: Vestal, Tracy Creek - > 'Gilbert Osincup is a native of Vestal, where he was born in 1828, near the > farm on which he now lives. He is a son of Henry (above mentioned) who came > here from Kingston Valley in 1812. Henry's father was Jacob Osincup, a > Hessian soldier, who was taken prisoner at Valley Forge by Washington's > troops.' > > Trying to discover if the Jacob in Luzerne Co., may be the father of Henry > mentioned above.

You are very welcome, Mischelle, hope you find your roots. Cheers, John Merz ----- Original Message ----- From: Mickey156@aol.com To: hessian@sympatico.ca Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 6:04 AM Subject: Re: Mitchell Bernard Boland - Pulaski County, Kentucky Thank you, John! I have already heard from one of your board participants and she has connected me on the Hollars side of the family. You are not only a scholar; you are a gentleman to boot! Best regards, Mischelle Martin (nee: Boland)

Hello Mischelle, I am going to forward your nice letter to the Amrev- Hessians list, because I recall we have discussed the name Boland before. Just check our mail list archives http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=amrev-hessians But there is also a BOLAND Rootsweb Message Board, which you can find here http://www.rootsweb.com click on Message Boards. I am sorry that I cannot help more, but this will give you a good forward signal. Cheers, John Merz ----- Original Message ----- From: Mickey156@aol.com To: hessian@sympatico.ca Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 7:05 PM Subject: Mitchell Bernard Boland - Pulaski County, Kentucky Hello, John! I am having the darndest time trying to get anywhere in a search for my father's father and family. My grandfather was Mitchell Bernard Boland (Bolin) born around 1900 in Kentucky. His father died in a tragic drowning when my grandfather was only 9 years old. His name was John Boland (Bolin). As the eldest son with a family of sisters (Rhoda, Lizzie, Elsie and little brothers John and Sam and others who later died in a fire), my grandfather set out to support the entire family by working as a waterboy on the railroads when he was only nine years old. At one time, the family held title to hundreds of acres near what is now Lake Cumberland near Tateville, Kentucky. Over time as a widow struggling to feed her large family, "Mammy" Boland (Laverna Hollars, I believe) traded 50 acre plats of land for a cow, 20 acres for a couple of bags of grain, and so on and so on until there was only 100 acres of the family land left. A relative bought about 40, and my sister and I have left to us the remaining 60. When Lake Cumberland was first established, my grandfather showed us how far his father's land had once extended: from the waters in front of General Burnside Island all the way up and across another mountain on the back side of the lake. He showed us a spreading elm or oak (can't remember which) where he said he had sat many hours during the Depression after walking all over the county looking for work. On the land that remains above Caney Branch closer to the mountain top, there were remnants of two very very old log cabins where we are told family members once resided. When I was a child (b. 1948), these cabins were already disintegrated to ground level with rotting logs and surrounded by young sapplings intent on obscuring them permanently. From family records, we know that this land was inherited by Laverne (Laverny) Hollars from her parents, Rachael and Levi, and then belonged to great-grandfather John Boland and Laverny upon their death. This much is known from the deeds passed to my grandfather and then on to his grandchildren. We will never sell this land, because there are no "things" or tangible mementos to share with our children and grandchildren. There is a silver cream and suger set, an old pie safe, and a set of grape and cable carnival ware (LOL). On the edge of the Cumberland Forrest, we must walk our grandchildren along a rutted logging road and gaze down into smoky hollows and recall our visits there. There are tales of copperhead nests, scorpions by the well, long walks across the boundaries to search for poachers or intruders, and trips to a spring in one of the mountain hollows where no water on earth has ever tasted better or more icy. There are trees tucked in hiding places that grow almost nowhere else in this hemisphere, having been left behind during the ice ages and whose whereabouts are still known only to few. There are memories of rabbit hunting, planting red clover and fescue for the dove population and (covy), the sounds of the fox hounds at night and the horns blowing to call them home. There is my grandmother's roast duck with oyster dressing that no five star restaurant could ever equal. But, I would love so much to be able to give my younger ones a more complete picture of how rugged and determined were their great-great grandparents. GERMAN, my grandfather said to us always. He said his father came from Germany. And, that is as much as we know. If you can steer me in the right direction, I would so very much appreciate your help. If you have read this far, thank you for your time. Best regards, Mischelle Martin (nee: Boland)

John, So far I've been just a passive reader of the correspondence on AMREV-HESSIANS (my Hessian ancestor was Carl Vrede/Wrede, aka Charles Frady). But I wanted to comment on something I'm a little more knowledgeable about than Hessian genealogy. The email you received, appearing to be from eBay, is a type of email scam called "<http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spam/phishing.mspx>Phishing"... You get an authentic looking email from a bank or eBay, for example, with very authentic graphics and logos and they tell you your account information needs to be updated or verified. No bank or company holding your confidential account information will ever ask you to send them your account, credit card, or social security information by email. I receive emails like this constantly, from banks and companies I don't even hold accounts with. Simplest thing to do is never respond to them or any other type of spam as this just verifies that your email address is a working address. And, try avoid using Microsoft Outlook or Outlook Express as your email application, instead use an alternative with strong spam filtering built in, such as <http://www.eudora.com/email/>Eudora or <http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/>Thunderbird , both available for free. Charles Frady At 10:00 AM 11/20/04, you said: >Hello Hessians; > >I did have a very disturbing experience with eBay - >beginning of the week I got a message apparently from >the eBay organization, accusing me that I have violated the >sales condition, etc., and that my account would be suspended. >That I would not be allowed to make any transaction, unless >I first filled out a lenghty form giving all my financial details, like >card numbers, passwords, etc. bank accounts, and when I >read that, I stopped and started to think. Why the heck would >they want this information, they have it already, been with eBay >for several years, have 349 positive feedbacks. > >So I just mailed them back that I see no reason for their action, >no reason for them to close my account, and I want an explanation. > >Took 3 days to get an answer, and I was told that this e-mail did not >come from them, that it was fraudulent and someone was trying to >get at my financial data. That eBay would never ask for passwords, >card numbers, or other financial data, because they have that data >on file and can get it without using passwords. They told me never >to answer such requests, they called it a 'spoofed' message. >So far so good - > >During all this time there was no action on my site - on one book >I had 3 bids, highest bid $15.50, nothing changed there at all, >although 5 other bidders have it on the watchlist, another book, no >bids as yet, but five bidders on the watch list. No action on the >other two. I just wonder what is going on, who is fooling who. >By the way, the one GUIDE I am offering is my last one, no more >after this. Perhaps no more else after this experience. There are >people out there trying to get into your accounts. Ye gotta watch! >John Merz - the-hessian > > >==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== >6000 Hessian soldiers remained in North America after the Peace in 1783, >the majority settled in the Eastern United States and Canada. >A quick check http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L

Re: Requesting information: Same thing has also happened to me several times. I've never provided any information and every time I notified E-Bay and was told it was fraudulent and they would investigate. Wouldn't it be nice if these 'bad people', spent the same amount of effort on a positive endeavor rather than trying to rip other people off. I ditto the 'be careful everyone' thought. Carol

Interesting reading on George Fazenbaker. I've often seen the name (it's a memorable surname) as I've mulled the censuses of the area. And I have always been interested to read your postings on the Allegany Co. list. No doubt there was a strong population in Allegany Co.of folks with German heritage. The more I research, the more I think Christopher Waggoner would probably have had no reason to deny or hide any service as a German auxiliary, particularly while residing in this area. And it appears he was there for quite some time, most likely died there. It is helpful to know that no Wags were there in the 1787 records. Thank you, Walt. Being at some distance from MD, I'm at a disadvantage when it comes to being able to search records personally. However, I have a deed that indicates Christopher's probably first appearance in the area in 1792. He purchased from Jacob Sapp, a "part of White Oak Swamp". I do not know specifically where that was, except that it must have been in western Allegany Co. At some point, he's listed in the Skipton District in the census. I can follow Christopher through the census up through 1830, but no listing in the 1840. I assumed he most likely died during that ten year span. There are no estate or probate records on file for him, unfortunately. It appears he was in a listing for the Methodist Church in Oldtown. Interestingly, the land for that church was deeded by Joseph Cresap in Dec. 1791 and my Christopher shows up in April 1792. Now, there was a Johannes Christoph Waggoner who was a chaplain and had been at Ft. Frederick at some point. He was supposed to go to Canada, and evidently did for some time, but wasn't happy there and allegedly returned to Europe. However, he may have instead returned to Maryland. Perhaps in some official capacity at the Methodist church in Oldtown? I'm in the process of trying to find out about records at the Methodist church in Oldtown. Again, it's not easy having to do it all through mail. And I'm checking out every reference to any Christopher/Christian Waggoner/Wagoner/Wagner I can find, particularly amongst the "Hessian" rosters. Several Wags appear in the 1790 census for Washington Co., MD. I'm trying to dig into each of those. I definitely don't have any reservations about determining whether Christopher was a German auxiliary or not. I think that would serve only to make him a more interesting ancestor if he were! But, I do find it intriguing that even as much as one hundred years later, I'm hearing that even the possibility was still a tender subject for his descendants. Susan