Dear Rhonda. If I'm not mistaken, this topic of this list is focusd on soldiers that served in the American Revolutionary War only. Good Luck! Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Rhonda Houston <rfhouston@mindspring.com> Date: Monday, December 20, 2004 5:24 pm Subject: [HESSIAN] Sovereign surname > > I just found out that I have a German soldier, from the Thirty > Years War, as > an ancestor who came to New Jersey in 1750. Here is what I know > about him >

I'm new on this list, so I don't know what the lastest subject/topic of conversation has been discussed or what I am jumping in the middle of now that I am just posting to the list. I am hoping that someone will educate me considering now that I've found myself to be 'the new kid on the block' with much to learn. I just found out that I have a German soldier, from the Thirty Years War, as an ancestor who came to New Jersey in 1750. Here is what I know about him and here am I ready to learn more about someone who is believed to have been a loyalist just before the Revolutionary War began. Anyone know where in Germany the Sovereign family came from? NOTE -> "In 1793 the Sovereign and Culver familes originally from New England, later New Jersey and New York, settled in the townships of Windham and Townsend in Norfolk County, bringing with them 20 wagons, 40 yoke of oxen, 300 sheep, and a large number of hurses, cows, etc." --pg. 153. "Philip Sovereign, whose father had come from New York State in 1799 and settled in Waterford, Norfolk County, had owned a farm, a grist mill, a saw mill, a tavern, and a distillery at Waterford. In 1812 he moved to Trafalgar Township." --pg. 119. "Sovereign, Frederick and sons; migrated from New Jersey to Waterford Township; Soldier in Germany, came to New Jersey in 1750." --pg. 224. [From: The Trail of the Black Walnut, by G. Elmore Reaman, reprint 1993.] <END Rhonda Warmack Houston (rfhouston@mindspring.com)

Hello Hessian researchers, Hessian descendants, und richtige Hessen (real Hessians): For your amusement I thought I'll present you with some entertaining news from the Hessian front: Was haben unsere Soldaten gesungen bei der Abfahrt nach Amerika - hier ist der Text und die Melodie - jedes muss fuer sich angeklickt werden. You have to click on text AND Melody to hear the music. This is what our Hessians were singing when boarding ships. http://ingeb.org/Lieder/einschif.html Best wishes and a salute to our Hessians. John Merz Hamilton overlooking the Lake Ontario

Hello John, Your suggestion that Sevenhagen coul be a misspelling is something to be considered. HETRINA VI p. 50 gives Sevenhagen or Veckerhagen (Hesse-Kassel, D3512) as birth place for Anton BARTHEL. A possibility : Veckerhagen, now incorporated in Reinhardshagen, in Hessen-Kassel (postal code : 34359). http://www.reinhardshagen.de/index.php4 Just north of Hann Münden (road 80, on the left bank of the Weser). http://www.marmorwerk-reinhardshagen.de/lieferbereich.htm Dominique Ritchot ritchotd@videotron.ca Montréal (Québec) > Dominique, > please don't let yourself be confused by Ronald Brelsford. > His ancestor BODE has nothing to do with the original > question (he just threw it in to show who 'he' is interested in) > > The original question was and still is the place of birth for > the mother of that 'famous' French-Canadian Genealogist, > who you said was a descendant of the Hanau Jaeger > Anton Barthel - you did mention a postal code D3512 for > Sevenhagen, which must be somewhere outside the City of > Kassel, Which used to be D3500, but still in the Hessen area. > I still maintain that this must be a misspelling, but the postal > code should be a good lead - one would have to check for > nearby places with same postalcode. > > I wished I could do that, but my research material is in good hands > in Ameliasburg. I have no way of checking things out anymore. > What did Virginia DeMarce have to say about the place of birth? > > Turning in for today, > I remain yours truly > John Merz.

Dear Dominique, now we are getting somewhere - The place is VECKERHAGEN, it was D3512 and is now incorporated in 34359 Reinhardshagen, right on the river Weser, flowing north to the North Sea and the harbour Bremerhaven. The town itself isabout 30-35 km north of Kassel, the area is called the Reinhardswald. Congrats, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dominique Ritchot" <ritchotd@videotron.ca> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 10:08 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Anton BARTHEL - Hesse-Hanau : Sevenhague, Hesse-Cassel > Thank you John, > <SNIP> > HETRINA VI p. 50 gives Sevenhagen or Veckerhagen (Hesse-Kassel, D3512) as birth place. >

Thank you John, I realised I did not read the post in its entire and posted my reply before I read the previous posts. Sorry for the confusion. Cyprien Tanguay's german ancestor was Anton BARTHEL Hesse-Hanau, chasseur, Kreutzbourg reg., Francken co. Married 21 May 1791 at St-Francois-du-Sud to Marie-Anne Jolin. HETRINA VI p. 50 gives Sevenhagen or Veckerhagen (Hesse-Kassel, D3512) as birth place. DeMarce only gives what the marriage record cites : from Hesse Cassel in Germany. Interesting to know that the man who "gave birth" to French Canadian genealogy has a German among his ancestors ! Dominique Ritchot > Dominique, > please don't let yourself be confused by Ronald Brelsford. > His ancestor BODE has nothing to do with the original > question (he just threw it in to show who 'he' is interested in) > > The original question was and still is the place of birth for > the mother of that 'famous' French-Canadian Genealogist, > who you said was a descendant of the Hanau Jaeger > Anton Barthel - you did mention a postal code D3512 for > Sevenhagen, which must be somewhere outside the City of > Kassel, Which used to be D3500, but still in the Hessen area. > I still maintain that this must be a misspelling, but the postal > code should be a good lead - one would have to check for > nearby places with same postalcode. > > I wished I could do that, but my research material is in good hands > in Ameliasburg. I have no way of checking things out anymore. > What did Virginia DeMarce have to say about the place of birth? > > Turning in for today, > I remain yours truly > John Merz.

Dominique, please don't let yourself be confused by Ronald Brelsford. His ancestor BODE has nothing to do with the original question (he just threw it in to show who 'he' is interested in) The original question was and still is the place of birth for the mother of that 'famous' French-Canadian Genealogist, who you said was a descendant of the Hanau Jaeger Anton Barthel - you did mention a postal code D3512 for Sevenhagen, which must be somewhere outside the City of Kassel, Which used to be D3500, but still in the Hessen area. I still maintain that this must be a misspelling, but the postal code should be a good lead - one would have to check for nearby places with same postalcode. I wished I could do that, but my research material is in good hands in Ameliasburg. I have no way of checking things out anymore. What did Virginia DeMarce have to say about the place of birth? Turning in for today, I remain yours truly John Merz. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dominique Ritchot" <ritchotd@videotron.ca> > > I don't have anything on the possible location but I do have Johann Friedrich > Bode, ensign of the Rethz regiment, Brunswick Troups reported dead 19-09-1783 > at Stade (Wilhelmy, p. 177). Could this be the same individual ? > > Sorry, that's all I can offer for the moment, > > Dominique Ritchot > > John Merz a écrit : > > Forwarded to right mail list address, and btw. > > this place name is an obvious misspelling, and not even me > > can come up with a solution in this case. It ain't that easy! > > Perhaps Dominique Ritchot of the Quebec-Hessians list > > has a better idea. > > John Merz > > check also http://www.google.de > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ronald Brelsford" <rgbrelsford@worldnet.att.net> > > > A check of this site on 16 Dec did not show any references to Sevenhague, > > Hessen. Closest to this name were two villages in the Eiffel region (east of > > the Rhein near Belgium) called Sevenig. > > > Ron Brelsford descendent of Ensign Friedrich Bode of Lt Col von Speth's > > Company, Regiment von Riedesel > > > >

I tried Google last night and got nowhere. Then I went to Michelin website for maps for Germany, and it came back with 14 entries, all with different spelllings. I did this because in looking for Retterode, Hesse-Kassel while doing my own research, I found it that way to be quite nearby Kassel, but in Thuringen province, and now spelled Rotterode. Is it possible that Hesse Kassel as it was then is now split up among neighboring provinces? The closest to Kassel was Grevenhagen, located in Westphalen, just east of Paderborn, about half way between Horn and Bad Driburg. With limited knowledge of Germany, it appears that one or two of the others might qualify as well. Good Hunting ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Merz" <hessian@sympatico.ca> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 10:59 AM Subject: [HESSIAN] Re: Sevenhague, Hesse -Cassel > Forwarded to right mail list address, and btw. > this place name is an obvious misspelling, and not even me > can come up with a solution in this case. It ain't that easy! > Perhaps Dominique Ritchot of the Quebec-Hessians list > has a better idea. > John Merz > check also http://www.google.de > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ronald Brelsford" <rgbrelsford@worldnet.att.net> > To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L-request@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 8:48 AM > Subject: Sevenhague, Hesse -Cassel > > > > You can look up German placenames at the web site for the German post > office at: > > http://www.teleauskunft.de/ > > A check of this site on 16 Dec did not show any references to Sevenhague, > Hessen. Closest to this name were two villages in the Eiffel region (east of > the Rhein near Belgium) called Sevenig. > > Ron Brelsford descendent of Ensign Friedrich Bode of Lt Col von Speth's > Company, Regiment von Riedesel > > > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe click on AMREV-HESSIANS-L-request@rootsweb.com > and write one single word unsubscribe in subject line and text field. > No other words or explanations or it won't work. > See our HESSIAN SOLDIER plaque - http://www.crbronzeworks.com/hessian/ > >

Hello, I don't have anything on the possible location but I do have Johann Friedrich Bode, ensign of the Rethz regiment, Brunswick Troups reported dead 19-09-1783 at Stade (Wilhelmy, p. 177). Could this be the same individual ? Sorry, that's all I can offer for the moment, Dominique Ritchot John Merz a écrit : > Forwarded to right mail list address, and btw. > this place name is an obvious misspelling, and not even me > can come up with a solution in this case. It ain't that easy! > Perhaps Dominique Ritchot of the Quebec-Hessians list > has a better idea. > John Merz > check also http://www.google.de > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ronald Brelsford" <rgbrelsford@worldnet.att.net> > To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L-request@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 8:48 AM > Subject: Sevenhague, Hesse -Cassel > > > You can look up German placenames at the web site for the German post > office at: > > http://www.teleauskunft.de/ > > A check of this site on 16 Dec did not show any references to Sevenhague, > Hessen. Closest to this name were two villages in the Eiffel region (east of > the Rhein near Belgium) called Sevenig. > > Ron Brelsford descendent of Ensign Friedrich Bode of Lt Col von Speth's > Company, Regiment von Riedesel > >

Forwarded to right mail list address, and btw. this place name is an obvious misspelling, and not even me can come up with a solution in this case. It ain't that easy! Perhaps Dominique Ritchot of the Quebec-Hessians list has a better idea. John Merz check also http://www.google.de ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald Brelsford" <rgbrelsford@worldnet.att.net> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 8:48 AM Subject: Sevenhague, Hesse -Cassel > You can look up German placenames at the web site for the German post office at: > http://www.teleauskunft.de/ > A check of this site on 16 Dec did not show any references to Sevenhague, Hessen. Closest to this name were two villages in the Eiffel region (east of the Rhein near Belgium) called Sevenig. > Ron Brelsford descendent of Ensign Friedrich Bode of Lt Col von Speth's Company, Regiment von Riedesel >

Hello folks, and I thought I was retired - but now I am going to make sure! No more mental exercises before the New Year, this was the last one for this year: John ----- Original Message ----- From: John Merz To: Robert and Mary Steele Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 10:39 PM Subject: Re: AMREV-HESSIANS+1998+7041163888+F.htm Hello Robert and Mary Steele; Well now, that settles the question if he was a Hessian soldier - NO ! No Hessian soldiers were in British service in 1775. The first Hessian troops took the oath to the British King in April 1776 in Holland before boarding ships to England and America/Canada. He may have been a German who signed up with British recruiters in the King's domain Hannover. Or he was already an immigrant to Carolina and joined his Loyalist unit right there in 1775. To find out about this you could order microfilm C-4222 and C-4223 for Muster Rolls of those Provincial Corps from the National Archives of Canada through your local Public Library. I am still with 235 Hessians in Nova Scotia. Cheers, John Merz retired from Hessian research - all my Hessian research material is with the Marilyn Adams Genealogical Research Centre in Ameliasburg, Ontario, where I will be guest speaker Sat. 15. Jan.2005. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert and Mary Steele To: John Merz Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 9:42 PM Subject: Re: AMREV-HESSIANS+1998+7041163888+F.htm Thanks for your reply, John. It seems that you've researched the Hessians in N.S. very thoroughly! --Will be interested in your further thoughts. FYI, the booklet I mentioned has this paragraph on p. 7: "The first reference I found to John H. Flieger in relation to his military service was in a petition of his dated Sept. 12, 1804, .... which stated "that in the year 1775 Your Memorialist joined the British Forces opposed to the revolted colonies in America, and bore an active part until the reduction of the Provincial Troops in the year 1783 when Your Excellency's Memorialist sought an asylum in this Porvince". And from p. 11: "In Carolina and Georgia Loyalists to N.S. and N.B. Appendix IX p. 372 by Troxier is found: John H. Flieger took 500 acres as an Ensign in the South Carolina Regiment at Country Harbour in 1784 but was not with them for the June 1784 Muster." (Gilroy p. 126 LC Vol 24, pp. 253-256). --Just to whet your etite! -M. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Merz To: John Merz Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 8:51 PM Subject: AMREV-HESSIANS+1998+7041163888+F.htm Hello, I found this in the mail list archives, but will have to study this a bit more, and will get back to you, John Merz ======================================= Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:14:58 -0800 From: John Helmut Merz hessian@xx To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: John Henry Flieger Hello David, this Nova Scotia business interests me, because I believed I had all Hessians of Nova Scotia covered. I was up to 234 Hessians, in the last two years I only found one more, making it 235. Your Flieger name is not in it, and this prompted me to check other sources. In a list compiled by Marion Gilroy "Loyalists and Land Settlement in Nova Scotia, published by the Public Archives of N.S., under the Halifax County Land Grants I find Flieger, John H., getting a grant of 500 acres in 1784 at Preston Township. This is proof that your ancestor was there in 1784, but the township of Preston provides some riddles, because going down that list, while in many other townships there is a rank or origin listed for the grantee, most Preston Ts. grants vary greatly in size, and hardly says anything who the person was. There are grants given for 50 acres, and for 1000 acres, I saw a George Westphall getting 500 acres (saw that name come up recently), but I could not find any other Hessian names on the whole Preston Ts. list. No association possible with other names. Very strange indeed. Perhaps someone on the Nova Sotia list could enlighten us. I don't remember if I mentioned this before, but the name Flieger does sound very German, but despite this, it could have developed from the name Pflueger. There were several Pflueger soldiers in the Hessian troops, but none of them I can see having served in Nova Scotia. Two of them in particular were in the USA, one Johannes Pflueger, with the Kassel Regt.von Buenau, last recorded on Muster Roll 03/1783, and Pflueger, Georg, same Regt., last recorded 03/1783. There are no discharge dates given, so we do not know whether they returned home or not. I am putting this on the mailing list in hopes to have responses. Regards, John Merz David Berg wrote: > > <snip> has my family tree & it shows that > John Henry Flieger died in Halifax N.S. March 9,1819 and he had a son > by the same name that born in Halifax. > I'm sure that the name John Henry is the anglized form > of his german name, perhaps Johanes Henrick? So probably he located > to Nova Scotia after the Rev. War. Yours truly David Berg ______________________________

Submitted to the list for consideration: Perhaps some here can help out Mr. Gagnon. _____ From: Claire Goyette [mailto:cmaj@sympatico.ca] Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 8:12 PM To: rnsulentic@earthlink.net Subject: Sevenhague, Hesse-Cassel ? Dear Sir, The founding father of canadian genealogy, Cyprien Tanguay (1819-1902) was of german extraction by his mother, borned Barthel. In his famous Dictionnaire Généalogique des Familles Canadiennes (1871), he wrote that this family branch of him came from Sevenhague, Hesse-Cassel. Do you know were is located this place actually ? Truly yours. Jacques Gagnon, Sherbrooke, Québec.

Does anybody have any news or a new address? Thanks for responding, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mail Administrator" <Postmaster@bellnexxia.net> To: <hessian@sympatico.ca> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 7:30 PM Subject: Mail System Error - Returned Mail > This Message was undeliverable due to the following reason: > > Recipient: <pflueger@chaffee.net> > Reason: User unknown.

Hello Patricia, I think there is enough evidence to lend support to your family's story of a Hessian soldier Heinrich. Almost same birth date. How about location? Has Peggy any leads? This got to be able to be resolved. What do the County records of Cumberland County say? Wishing you all a good Christmas Season, yours John Merz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darrell Brandon" <darpat@tcsn.net> To: "John Merz" <hessian@sympatico.ca> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 7:12 AM Subject: RE: Westphal or Westfall, or perhaps Westphall? Dear John I have been trying to find info on Henrich Westfall ever since you provided his name a couple of years ago. I subscribed to AMREV-HESSIAN mail list for several years because my husband's grandfather, William Westfall was supposidly decended from a Hessian soldier. I haven't been able to find any more info than what you provided. I contacted the woman who is researching Gotlieb Westfall, but she had no info either. The person on the Westfall list, you mentioned, supplied me with his ancestial info which seem to prove our Westfalls decended from Julian. What is surprising is there is a Henrich Westfall in that line who was born practically the same day that the Hessian Westfall was born. My first thought was that the two Westfall lines had crossed over each other, but the more I study the Dutch Westfall the more it seems that we are of that line. I am still open to the idea of a Hessian Westfall because that is what our family "story" says. If you want me to send you the names of our Westfall ancestors and the way it integrates with the Dutch line I would be glad to do so. I would very much like to be able to connect our line with the Hessian Westfall. Sincerely, Patricia Brandon darpat@tcsn.net -----Original Message----- From: John Merz [mailto:hessian@sympatico.ca] Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 1:28 PM To: Darrell and Patricia Brandon; weissjoe@iquest.net Subject: Re: Westphal or Westfall, or perhaps Westphall? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Merz" <hessian@sympatico.ca> To: <WESTPHAL-L@rootsweb.com>; < AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: <WESTFALL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 4:24 PM Subject: Westphal or Westfall, or perhaps Westphall? > Hello folks, > I really didn't want to stir up this age old mystery of who was > the first WESTFALL or WESTPHALL or WESTPHAL in > America. I do believe it was Julian, it sure looks like it --- > but now Jane Curci forwarded to me two old postings from the > WESTFALL-L mail list dated 22.Oct.2002, where the first name > ISAAC WESTFALL is mentioned. The first e-mail came from > darpat@tcsn.net and the reply from Joe Weiss weissjoe@iquest.net > > Joe, I have no problem with your genealogy, except you have to > realize that after your Julian came over, there were others who > came, and you cannot ignore the two Hessian soldiers WESTPHAL > as you can clearly see from below Message Board posting of mine > done in April 2003. > > On 20 May 2004 I posted another message to the same Board, > and this one gives the name of the 7 sons of Gottlieb Westphal, > who lived with his wife in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania. > There is a son ISAAC ! Believe it or not. > Greetings, > John Merz > wishing everyone a happy and healty Christmas Season. > > > Message Boards - Message [ Westphal ]Boards > Surnames > Westphal > > > > Re: WESTPHAL from Windecken near Hanau/Hessen - additional information > > Author: Date: 7 Apr 2003 5:14 PM GMT > > > > In Reply to: WESTPHAL from Windecken near Hanau/Hessen by: John Merz > > > > Today I am able to submit some more information about > > the WESTPHAL's from Windecken near Hanau. > > > > First: The town of Windecken today incorporated together > > with the town of Heldenbergen and now known as > > 61130 NIDDERAU, Hessen, Germany. > > > > Two Westphal brothers, Gottfried and Henrich, both born > > in Windecken, served with the Hessen-Hanau Regt. > > Erbprinz, and both indentured themselves to American > > farmers in Pennsylvania. > > > > Here now the personal data for those two: > > Gottfried Westphal, born 8.July 1758 in Windecken, > > Johann Henrich Westphal, born 23.March 1749 Windecken. > > Parents: Johann Georg Westphal and Maria Catharina nee > > Altvater, married 1. Sep.1746 in Windecken. > > Grandfather: Johann Henrich Westphal > >

Hello folks, I really didn't want to stir up this age old mystery of who was the first WESTFALL or WESTPHALL or WESTPHAL in America. I do believe it was Julian, it sure looks like it --- but now Jane Curci forwarded to me two old postings from the WESTFALL-L mail list dated 22.Oct.2002, where the first name ISAAC WESTFALL is mentioned. The first e-mail came from darpat@tcsn.net and the reply from Joe Weiss weissjoe@iquest.net Joe, I have no problem with your genealogy, except you have to realize that after your Julian came over, there were others who came, and you cannot ignore the two Hessian soldiers WESTPHAL as you can clearly see from below Message Board posting of mine done in April 2003. On 20 May 2004 I posted another message to the same Board, and this one gives the name of the 7 sons of Gottlieb Westphal, who lived with his wife in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania. There is a son ISAAC ! Believe it or not. Greetings, John Merz wishing everyone a happy and healty Christmas Season. > Message Boards - Message [ Westphal ]Boards > Surnames > Westphal > > Re: WESTPHAL from Windecken near Hanau/Hessen - additional information > Author: Date: 7 Apr 2003 5:14 PM GMT > Surnames: WESTPHAL, ALTVATER, LOCHMANN, GUETH, SPIELMANN > > In Reply to: WESTPHAL from Windecken near Hanau/Hessen by: John Merz > > Today I am able to submit some more information about > the WESTPHAL's from Windecken near Hanau. > > First: The town of Windecken today incorporated together > with the town of Heldenbergen and now known as > 61130 NIDDERAU, Hessen, Germany. > > Two Westphal brothers, Gottfried and Henrich, both born > in Windecken, served with the Hessen-Hanau Regt. > Erbprinz, and both indentured themselves to American > farmers in Pennsylvania. > > Here now the personal data for those two: > Gottfried Westphal, born 8.July 1758 in Windecken, > Johann Henrich Westphal, born 23.March 1749 Windecken. > Parents: Johann Georg Westphal and Maria Catharina nee > Altvater, married 1. Sep.1746 in Windecken. > Grandfather: Johann Henrich Westphal > > Now to my own Westphal Ahnentafel: > Obiger grandfather Johann Henrich Westphal, d.o.b. ?, > had another son Georg Conrad Westphal, married to > Anna Elizabeth LOCHMANN, d.o.b. unknown, > their son Johann Henrich WESTPHAL, b.3.June 1748 in > Windecken, marr. Elizabeth, nee Westphal, b.14/4/`1762, > their son Johann Peter Westphal, b.29.Aug.1791, marr. > Maria Katherina SPIELMANN, b.20.Nov.1793 Windecken, > their daughter Katharina WETSPHAL, born 14.Jan.1826 > in Windecken, married my wife's ancestor > Johann Christian GUETH from Gelnhausen/Hessen. > > Would be nice to find out what happened to the two > Hessian soldiers Johann Henrich and Gottfried Westphal. > Any information greatly appreciated. > John Merz, > Hamilton, Ontario. > > > Re: WESTPHAL from Windecken near Hanau / Hessen - > NEW e-mail address & more information : > John Helmut Merz -- 24 Dec 2003 > >

Hello Cousin Peggy, yes, me and you both, we are still looking for our ancestors WESTPHAL from Windecken, and in particular, me and you both are still looking for those two Hessian soldiers WESTPHAL who keep hiding in PA. Wouldn't that be a Christmas present if we would find at least Heinrich? Greetings, and have a happy Christmas Season. Cousin John Merz ----- Original Message ----- From: "peggyt" <peggyt@early.com> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Re: PML Search Hessian: > I have no information on Hessians in the south. Mine was from PA. Yes, I am > shopping and wrapping and decorating, and all that kind of stuff. > Still looking for anyone else who is interested in Gottlieb Westfall and > his brother Heinrich. > Peggy [Lyte] Tyrrell > > At 07:26 PM 12/13/04 -0500, John Merz wrote: > >342 silent subscribers should be able to help with solving > >this riddle, or are they all too busy with Christmas shopping? > >John

I have no information on Hessians in the south. Mine was from PA. Yes, I am shopping and wrapping and decorating, and all that kind of stuff. Still looking for anyone else who is interested in Gottlieb Westfall and his brother Heinrich. Peggy [Lyte] Tyrrell At 07:26 PM 12/13/04 -0500, John Merz wrote: >342 silent subscribers should be able to help with solving >this riddle, or are they all too busy with Christmas shopping? >John > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Theresa" <Thutchins3@triad.rr.com> >Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 4:57 PM > > =============================== > > Source: GEORGE-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Brick Wall Andrew George, b.1750 died Stokes County, NC > > > > Looking for information on Andrew George born 12-25-1750 unknown location >died 10-11-1841 in Stokes County, NC (present day Forsyth County.) He is >buried in the Hessian Cemetery. He was married to Mary "Betsy" Unknown that >died 8-9-1813 in Stokes County, NC and is buried in the same Hessian >Cemetery as Andrew. Their children: John, Katie, William born 1791 married >Catherine Strupe, and James Aldene George born 8-5-1795 in Stokes County, NC > > > > >==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== >The Source HETRINA has been discussed more often than anything >else, you find the explanations by checking our key word archive >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=amrev-hessians >You can find it by typing in "26 feb 1999" and look for HETRINA. >Or check the Threaded Archives for February 1999 - Hetrina publication.

Hello Kevin; As a matter of fact, Georg Becker, later known as George Baker settled near Lunenburg, N.S. I have a whole page on him in my book "The Hessians of Nova Scotia". Here are the e-mails of two descendants who have corresponded with me in the past - Rod Baker knowledg@vianet.on.ca He is in Hanmer, Ontario, and Bill Tinney, tinney@meol.mass.edu Can't guarantee if these are still good. Best of luck to you, John Merz ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan Baker To: AMREV-HESSIANS-admin@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 8:15 PM Subject: Is there a relationship? Good Day I watched a movie on A&E about the the american revolution and my interest was sparked when Washington fought the Hessians at Trenton I am Canadian from German decent, my great-great grandfather settled in Nova Scotia Canada on Big Tancook Island- Lunenburg County My last name is Baker but may have been derived from Bekker, Becker, or some form. Our roots have been traced back to Hesse or Hessen in Germany. I would like to know if there were any bekkers that fought in the revolution or any connection to the Hessians Thanks you for your time and info Kevin Baker

Hello everybody; As mentioned before on this list, Mrs. Nancy Rice Kiddoo in her article : "Of Revolutionary Memory"published in the Journal Of The Pennsylvania German Society, Vol. 23/1989/2 did mention Johann Conrad ENGELBRECHT, and the diary of his son. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Gordon" <pgord@erols.com> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 10:50 AM > Source: MDFREDER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Engelbrecht > > Conrad Engelbrecht came from Eichig, Germany in 1777 as part of the > Bayreuth Regiment of Hessian troops. He was taken prisoner in > 1781 at Yorktown, Va., marched to Frederick Town and was housed > in the barracks in the town in January 1782. When his troop returned > to Germany, he remained in Frederick Town which had a large > German population, marrying Margaret Haux. The diarist, Jacob, was their > son born in 1797 in Frederick Town. The progeny remained here and > are buried here. > > The diary is two 8 1/2 x 11 volumes, 1292 pgs. However they are also on > a disc. > The diaries were kept by Jacob and later his son and grandson. > > All available from the Historical Society of Frederick. > > Paul > > > hello, > > i'm curious where your Engelbrechts are from and where they ended up? > thanks, Penny Altis, Burlington, IA (my Engelbrecht, came to IA from > Werther, Westphalia, Germany 1863-65)

342 silent subscribers should be able to help with solving this riddle, or are they all too busy with Christmas shopping? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theresa" <Thutchins3@triad.rr.com> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 4:57 PM > =============================== > Source: GEORGE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Brick Wall Andrew George, b.1750 died Stokes County, NC > > Looking for information on Andrew George born 12-25-1750 unknown location died 10-11-1841 in Stokes County, NC (present day Forsyth County.) He is buried in the Hessian Cemetery. He was married to Mary "Betsy" Unknown that died 8-9-1813 in Stokes County, NC and is buried in the same Hessian Cemetery as Andrew. Their children: John, Katie, William born 1791 married Catherine Strupe, and James Aldene George born 8-5-1795 in Stokes County, NC >