BlankI have The Diary of Jacob Englebrecht who lived in Fredrickstown, Va.. This was the site of the barracks where Hessian troops captured at Yorktown were imprisoned from 1782-1783 when those wishing to return to Germany were sent home. Most of these prisoners were from Bayreuth regiments. Jacob's father, John Conrad Engelbrecht. was one of these prisoners who stayed. Jacob also lists others as being part of the troops. There are many,many more names listed in the index . I'm sure many of them were Hessian soldiers, but not identified. I will list those identified as Hessian: Francis Kleinert, George Ebrecht, Christopher Heckman, John Schoendeck, Peter Meyershoeffer, Henry Fogler (Heinrich Vogeler) , Andrew Macht, Adam Schiemel, Michael Marquert, Gildz, John Richerd, Hoffman, Caspar Taube (Faubel), Jacob Foelker. These names are usually just a death notice, but I will send you what he had. If you feel your Hessian might have been here a Frederickstown then I will be glad to look up the surname in the index. Jacob's diary is 1166 pages long, mostly filled with short observations on local events, politics and weather.The Hessian barracks were later used to house cholera victims. Jacob was born after the soldiers stayed or went back to Germany. If you want a look up, contact me. Ann agatha1@flash.net

Hi Ann, How gracious of you! It is what genealogy is all about... Sharing. Thank you Nelda LM Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG Beatty #005 & #10; Graves #231 & #105 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://www.doodleartgraphics.com/

Hello Hessians; Last time I heard from Kelley was in 2001 when she reminded us of her search for her ancestor Andreas Suckfort/Suchforth, and we had some replies back and forth but could not really find his true identity. Why I am asking now? Found her e-mail of Sun. 5. Dec. 1999 when she wrote to me first time with a 'Hello from Alaska'. in a stack of other e-mails which I am slowly but surely working down. I want to clear my deck :--) I have checked the mail list archives and noticed that Bob Brooks and Charles Sievers did try to help her, but I don't think this issue got ever resolved. Don't even know if icicles@gci.net is still with us. Funny thing, I just noticed that Kelley in her first letter to me mentioned an old comrade of her ancestor by the name of Heinrich ESANCY, who I identified as Heinrich ISENSEE, a Brunswicker, who was listed as a prisoner of war at Bat Bay (?). Anyway, if anybody has better news, tell us! Cheers, John Merz

Thanks Richard; FYI, more info, and to AmRevHess-L: Googled: Emigrants Principality Hessen-Hanau Clifford Neal Smith http://genealogical.com/item_detail.asp?afid=&ID=9852 Barry (converted to .txt - info lost) Emigrants from the Principality of Hessen-Hanau, Germany, 1741-1767 Clifford Neal Smith Format: Paperback Pages: 22 pp. Published: 1979 Reprinted: 2004 Status: Available Price: $12.50 ISBN#: 0806352507 Item#: CF9852 One of author Clifford Neal Smith's primary goals has been to rescue buried data pertaining to 18th and 19th-century German emigration and make it available to researchers. Smith's German-American Genealogical Research Monographs, from which we have reprinted this booklet, was an important instrument for achieving that objective. The author derived his list of emigrants for Hessen-Hanau from a register of the Privy Council of that former principality, which he discovered in the Staatsarchiv, Marburg, Germany. These passengers departed for America (principally Pennsylvania), as well as for Hungary, Lithuania, Pomerania, and Russia. (These Eastern European Germans should not be dismissed by U.S. researchers because their descendants may have taken part in the great Eastern European exodus of the late 19th and early 20th centuries.) For the researcher's convenience, the author has arranged this booklet in two parts: (1) the body of the work consists of a chronologically arranged list of emigrants as they appeared in the original register; (2) the balance is an annotated index of all persons named in the register with their ages, ship traveled on, date of embarkation, and any other information the author could attribute to them from Strassburger & Hinke's Pennsylvania German Pioneers. See also these other publications by Clifford Neal Smith: British and German Deserters, Dischargees, and Prisoners of War.... Emigrants from the Former Amt Damme, Oldenburg.... Emigrants from Fellbach (Baden-Wuerttemberg, Germany), 1735-1930 Emigrants from Saxony Emigrants from West-German Fuerstenberg From Bremen to America in 1850 Nineteenth-Century Emigration from Kreis Simmern Nineteenth-Century Emigration of "Old Lutherans" Nineteenth-Century German Settlers in Ohio" Emigrants from France (Haut-Rhin Departement) to America French and British Land Grants in Post Vincennes (Indiana) District Spanish and British Land Grants in Mississippi Territory ========================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Swank" <reswank@earthlink.net> To: <PABERKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 2:36 PM Subject: Emigrants from the Principality of Hessen-Hanau, Germany, 1741-1767 > John Sassaman and group, John told me of a good pamphlet listing > emigrants from the provice of Hessen-Hanau is "Emigrants from the > Principality of Hessen-Hanau, Germany, 1741-1767" by Clifford Neal Smith, > Westland Publications, P.O. Box 117, McNeal, AZ 85617. I found the > pamphlet on Amazon.com for $12.50 and have order a copy. The pamphlet is > 22 pages, but is not in stock, is reordered, and will be shipped by March > 29, 2005. > I thought that this might help some one on the line in there research > in Berks Co., Pa. > Thanks John for the information. > Richard Swank in So., California >

Hi John, Isn't it the truth... "The more we share, the more we have to share." :-) Jane Curci

Dear Bob - before we go around in circles - you know like the dog chasing his own tail - I specifically said in my message to share your data over the mail list - you did get that message over this mail list, and what do you do? You mail your answer to me - to me - John Merz. I am not the mail list - if you address your answer to Charles you should at least have Charles address in, 'and the list address' and then you get the connection. I think Charles was harvey.c.w@myactv.net Mind you, he has not responded either John oh shocks, sometimes I feel like a hitching post (or like Ann Landers :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Rliller900@aol.com To: hessian@sympatico.ca Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Re: Liller Information In a message dated 1/24/2005 11:01:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, hessian@sympatico.ca writes: Dear Charles, if you have more info on LILLER, it is up to you to share it with your cousins. I would recommend to do it right over this mail list. You do know that all sharing is kept in our mail list archives, the good and the bad, and will be available hopefully for generations to come. John Dear Charles, If you have information on Johann Liller I'd love to see it and I'd be happy to share what I have with you. Johann is my 4th grgrandfather. I have several previous generations and also have quite a bit on his life in America. Bob Liller

Dear Liz - for a small expense contribution of 10 bucks I will make a print-out of the Personal Data File of Anton, which I still have on a 5 1/4" disk on my old computer. I don't have every name, but this one I have a page full. Cheers, John Merz ----- Original Message ----- From: Lizabeth L. Starliper To: hessian@sympatico.ca Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 6:30 PM Subject: Hessian Soldier Anton Sterlepper Dear Mr. Merz, I can't help but admire the wealth of information you have gathered regarding Hessian soldiers and their descendents. It is difficult to piece together a past involving persons who often left very little written evidence behind about their existences. I am a direct descendent of Anton Sterlepper who was a member of Hesse-Hanau Erb Prinz Regiment Co. 6 ( I believe). I did not know this until I ran into Bonnie Bingaman (whose my fourth cousin or second cousin) at the Starliper Family Reunion in Marion, PA (in the July 2002 posting, I noticed the location was Rhodes Grove Camp Ground. Interesting, because I grew up less than a mile away from there) a few years ago. Unfortunately, I didn't get to talk to her very long; I keep hoping she'll publish a book or something. Anyway, I was wondering if you have come across any information about this particular soldier since that July 2002 entry. He was just a private, a non-person really, but he was my great great great great... grandfather and my link to this country through my father's father's father's, etc. family. I read somewhere that he might have been imprisoned for a time at Saratoga, but I don't know if that's true or not. I do know he was from Eckenheim, a hamlet outside of Frankfurt-au-Maim which I can verify by looking at the list of Sterleppers still living in that area. There still are a few kicking around in Hesse. It would be nice to know whom he married and who his parents were, but I don't have the money to subscribe to ancestry.com or genealogy.com or any of those wonderful paid services that tempt me with their unaccessible information. Anything knowledge you could pass on would be extremely advantageous. Thank you in advance, Lizabeth L. Starliper llstarli@marauder.millersville.edu

Forwarded to AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com mail list, HOEGEL, Johann, A-B, S#19, replacement trooper 1782. "Guide" page 75. Check list archives. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Tahogle@aol.com To: hessian@sympatico.ca Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:18 PM Subject: looking for hogle Hi, I found you through a genealogy search. I am looking for a Hessian soldier from outside Hamburg, Germany who was recruited by the British during the American Revolution. Last name would be Hogle or von Hogle. Is there a good resource on line or at the library to find roster information? Thanks

Ben: There are a couple of ways to find this information. The first is to just do a Google search for Ansbach Bayreuth. This will lead you of Jochen Seidel's website on these regiments. You will also find Bruce Burgoyne's translation of Johann Conrad Doehla's diary (titled on Amazon.com as A Hessian Diary of the American Revolution). If you are interested in the two jaeger companies of these regiments, pick up Tustin's translation of Johan Ewald's "Diary of the American War. The AB jaegers were joined with Hessian jaegers for much of the war and were sent to different places than the rest of the two regiments. There are also a variety of other journals that Bruce Burgoyne has translated that might help. Curt ----- Original Message ----- From: bentley heishman<mailto:bheish@cablespeed.com> To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:50 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Ansbach-Bayreuth Regiment ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== The subject of this list - Hessian Soldiers of the American Revolution No other wars - no other German immigrants. Please stick to the subject. Please no signature lines, they confuse our mail list archives. WANTED: Person with knowledge and time to run this list - no financial costs involved, only time and patience - talk to john Merz.

Hello M. Watters, SCHILLER, Auguste Benjamin marriage ... Yamaska (marriage contract 14 Jul. 1783, deposit 11 Sept. Antoine Robin, notary) 26 years old Marguerite Hébert dit Lenoir [Pierre & Marguerite DEGUIRE dit DESROSIERS]. Marguerite HÉBERT was baptised 19 Feb. 1764 at Yamaska. Benjamin SCHILLER (wid. Marguerite LEBLANC) was buried 10 Jun. 1835 at Maskinongé (78 ys old). Dominique Ritchot Montréal (Québec) > Hi/Bonjour Dominique; > > >From St Mary's, R. C. church in Kingston, On. here is a wedding that > will be of interest to you, and perhaps other listers. > > 10 Februrary, 1817: Albert CHILER, carpenter, residing in this town, > son of age of Jean Benjamin CHILER and Marguerite HÉBERT of the parish > of Rivière du Loup (now Louiseville), Lower Canada and Marie Sophie > DAGEST (that should be DAGENEST as in the margin), dau. of age of Joseph > DAGENEST, and Amable VALADE, also resident of this town. Witnesses were > Louis DAGENEST, brother of the wife, Louis LEBLANC & Joseph LEMOINE. > > Mariage d'Albert CHILER, fils majeur de Jean Benjamin CHILER et de > Marguerite HÉBERT de la Rivière-du-Loup, Bas Canada, avec Marie Sophie > DAGENEST, fille majeure de Joseph DAGENEST and d'Amable VALADE, aussi > residant en cette ville le 10 février, 1817. Témoins Louis DAGENEST, > frère de l'épouse, Louis LEBLANC et Joseph LEMOINE.[...] > > Jean Benjamin (August Benjamin) SHILLER/SCHILLER, assistant surgeon, was > married to Marguerite HÉBERT/LENOIR possibly in Rivièredu-Loup > (Louiseville). He was with the Reg't Von Specht by Major Karl Friedrick > v. Ehrenkrook. (John Hé Merz, The Hessians of Quebec, and Virg. Easly > DeMarce, The Settlement of Former German Auxiliary Troops, etc) > > Dominique, do you have that SHILLER/HÉBERT wedding? > > Frank Watters

Where can I find information on the history of the Ansbach-Bayreuth Regiment? Also places they went and battles they were in. Thanks very much. Ben

Hi/Bonjour Dominique; From St Mary's, R. C. church in Kingston, On. here is a wedding that will be of interest to you, and perhaps other listers. 10 Februrary, 1817: Albert CHILER, carpenter, residing in this town, son of age of Jean Benjamin CHILER and Marguerite HÉBERT of the parish of Rivière du Loup (now Louiseville), Lower Canada and Marie Sophie DAGEST (that should be DAGENEST as in the margin), dau. of age of Joseph DAGENEST, and Amable VALADE, also resident of this town. Witnesses were Louis DAGENEST, brother of the wife, Louis LEBLANC & Joseph LEMOINE. Mariage d'Albert CHILER, fils majeur de Jean Benjamin CHILER et de Marguerite HÉBERT de la Rivière-du-Loup, Bas Canada, avec Marie Sophie DAGENEST, fille majeure de Joseph DAGENEST and d'Amable VALADE, aussi residant en cette ville le 10 février, 1817. Témoins Louis DAGENEST, frère de l'épouse, Louis LEBLANC et Joseph LEMOINE. SHILER, Marie-Sophie, fille de/dau. of Albert SHILER & Marie-Sophie DAGENEST, née/born 12-06-1817, bapt. 13-06-1817. Sp./parrain et Marraine Jean Baptiste PETIT & Angélique DUBOIS; CHILER, Julie, fille de/dau. of Albert & Sophie DAGENEST, born/née 09-10-1818, bapt. 11-10-18181. Sp./parrain marraine Toussaint LESTAGE & Anne Johnson. Jean Benjamin (August Benjamin) SHILLER/SCHILLER, assistant surgeon, was married to Marguerite HÉBERT/LENOIR possibly in Rivièredu-Loup (Louiseville). He was with the Reg't Von Specht by Major Karl Friedrick v. Ehrenkrook. (John Hé Merz, The Hessians of Quebec, and Virg. Easly DeMarce, The Settlement of Former German Auxiliary Troops, etc) Dominique, do you have that SHILLER/HÉBERT wedding? Frank Watters

Hi, John is correct! The archives are here until rootsweb.com is no more and I don't ever see an end to rootsweb.com.. So Share your information. Send emails with a little information about your Hessian.. Like name, date of birth & place, date of death & place unit served with, battles fought in... who he married/ date and where... Not only does it remind the list members of your Hessian.. but it helps non members who just browes the archives for info.. Repost the information about once a year... If you find source books that have information about the Hessians and Units that fought in the Rev War.. Post that info to an email and send it to the list... You never know when a cousin will see your info and contact you... Old email addy.. repost your info.. there is nothing worse then to find a relation and their email address is no longer good! Nelda LM Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG Beatty #005 & #10; Graves #231 & #105 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://www.doodleartgraphics.com/

Hi Ben, Have you searched the archives for the list? I'm sure you will find several emails about that Regiment.. Nelda LM Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG Beatty #005 & #10; Graves #231 & #105 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://www.doodleartgraphics.com/

I have been looking for information on the Hessian, mentioned in the Hetrina, Melchizedec Pfie for about four years now, thinking that he may be related to my Phy family. A Cousin, just sent me his Genealogy. He was from Mohnhausen, Frankenberg, Hessen, Prussia. After returning to Germany after the Am. Rev. war, he married Anna Catherine Schmittmann. His father was Matthaus Pfie, and his mother was Anna Margareth SEIBEL (a name that I have seen listed on this list). His father had a brother who came to America before the Rev. War, who is listed as Ensign Georg Fey, who fought with Capt. Klock in the Mohawk Valley Border Wars (the French and Indian Wars), along with his son, George Fey, Jr. (Another name from this list.) At Barren Hill Cemetery in Montgomery County, Pa., is a stone placed on George Fie, Jr., and his wife, Mary Fie's graves, by their son, my ggggrandfather, Paul Phy. (Pfie) Ingrid

And while I am just at this subject of sharing - please share with the list - let your cousins know you care. This is the place where we learn from each other - this is the place to ask questions - this is the place to provide answers - for the benefit of every subscriber - we Hessian descendants are one big family and we want to stick together, help each other - solve puzzles - overcome brickwalls - find new friends - what more do you want? John ----- Original Message ----- From: Phares O'Daffer podaffer@gridcom.net To: hessian@sympatico.ca Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 8:46 PM Subject: Note to John Merz John, I am still trying to learn more about my great great great grandfather, Johann Wolfgang Odoerfer (John Odorfer, John Odoffer, etc.) who was a Hessian soldier with the Ansbach Regiment that came to America in the late fall, 1778. I have a lot of data, and believe that, as one of the prisoners that stayed behind in the Hessian Barracks near Winchester, VA, he deserted the British on Oct 12, 1782, to join Armand's Lighthorse Division. This division, according to the Dohla and Prechtel diaries, then marched through Fredrick in Maryland, and then on to Lancaster, Little Yorktown, and possibly Philadelphia. I also know that the hessians in Armand's corps were discharged at York Pennsylvania on November 15, 1783. So from Oct 12, 1782 to November 15, 1783, about 11 months, Johann Wolfgang Odoerfer was in Armands corps. My question is... Where did they go during this time? ( I see no records that they really went to Philadelphia, or even Lancaster or Little Yorktown, for that matter.) What did they do? Do you know of any references that would be helpful? I read "General Armand and his Partisan Corps, 1777-1783" by Albert W. Hoarmann, but found out nothing about the time period in question. Thanks for any insight you can give. Phares O'Daffer

Dear Charles, if you have more info on LILLER, it is up to you to share it with your cousins. I would recommend to do it right over this mail list. You do know that all sharing is kept in our mail list archives, the good and the bad, and will be available hopefully for generations to come. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles W. Harvey" <harvey.c.w@myactv.net> To: "John Merz" <hessian@sympatico.ca> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 11:11 PM Subject: Liller > Hi John, what info can you share on Johann Henirick "Henry" Liller. See > attachment. Charles ( I have more ) > >

Nelda and Ron, Thank you for your replies. I did search the archives for FISHER and FISCHER. I will try again for Bedford. The only additional information that I have on Jacob is that he died 1837 and may have married Ruth Stafford and sons Hezakiah and Jonathan. Stacey

Hi Nelda, I'd like to echo everybody else's sentiments of thanks and gratitude for your decision to take over the list. Thanks! Bill Smith descendant of Daniel Engelcke, Hildesheim, Germany

Forwarded to the AMREV-HESSIANS-L mail list by an interested subscriber who has the benefit of the PML service: From: "Nelson R. Sulouff" <zuli@sprintmail.com> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 10:25 AM > ============================= > Source: PABERKS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PABERKS] Re: Wicklein Church records > > Hello Elida, > > Your question about moving from Berks Co. into York Co. toward the end of the 18th C. gives me opportunity to be expansive, and I am so full of research information I must take care to restrain myself! > > My immigrant ancestor, Johannes Zulauf, was a Hessian soldier captured in 1779 and held POW in Reading until the end of the Revolutionary War in 1783. Just as the war was ending he married a local girl, Maria Margaretha Spahr, and they went to houskeeping in Robeson Twp. This couple, an ex-POW and a 16-year old girl, the youngest daughter from a family of seven children, probably were not flushed with money and were pretty much starting their farm life together from scratch. Robeson Twp. tax records do not disclose ownership of any Zulauf property in Robeson Twp. for the years 1783-1792, so I suspect this new family actually lived with another family in the township, more than likely with a Wicklein family or a Spahr family. In Jan 1792 Zulauf bought a 142 acre farm in Newberry Twp., Northern York Co., by paying only Twenty Pounds Six Shillings into the Receiver-General's Office of Pennsylvania. The amount Zulauf paid was added to an amount paid earlier by Charles West at the granting of the Warrant, which Warrant evidently had never been paid off. In other words, Johannes Zulauf picked up a real bargain in a very astute deal, something like picking up property for taxes these days! > > I figure there were three main reasons Zulauf decided to make the move to territory opening up west of the Susquehanna River. First, he caught a real bargain for a sizeable amount of farmland. Second, farmland east of the Susquehanna in Berks and Lancaster Counties was becoming so subdivided among sons of the German farmers that farmland was crowded and expensive, and Zulauf found he could afford enough land west of the Susquehanna so that subsequent subdivision among his sons into fair-sized farms was a viable solution. Third, German farmers recognized the benefits of good limestone farmland and there were many who crossed the Susquehanna River from the late 18th C. and into the 19th C. to spread out across the limestone land now included in the counties of York, Perry, Snyder, Juniata and Mifflin. As it turned out, the soil on Zulauf's York Co. farm was stony and the arable soil was rather shallow, so ten years later he joined those German farmers who were migrating further westward and bought 200 acres of good limestone land on the banks of the Tuscarora Creek in what is now Juniata Co. > > It is my opinion that few German farmers who crossed the Susquehanna ever returned eastward as your ancestors did. Those who did return to Lancaster or Berks Co. often had compelling reasons such as coming into family property that was vacated by a close relative, or because of pressing social needs wanting to be close together with immediate family members east of the river. I cannot speak about roadbuilders who may have crossed the Susquehanna in pursuit of their work and then returned eastward again. > > You asked about roads in the area. Zulauf's farm was located directly southwest of a major ford that crossed the Susquehanna River just south of Harrisburg. (At this date there were no bridges across the river near Harrisburg.) His farm was virtually at the hub where farmers migrating westward out of Berks and Lancaster Counties headed not only to the west and northwest (as pointed out above), but also headed southward from there toward good farmland in Maryland and the valleys of Virginia. > > I am sure Zulauf's move to York Co. had nothing to do with building roads, per se, but perhaps as a result of new roadbuilding and road improvements his move to York Co. was facilitated. > > I think that is enough dissertation for now, so I will force myself to quit. > > Happy hunting, > > Nelson R. Sulouff > ////////////////////////// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Elida > To: PABERKS-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 10:47 PM > Subject: Re: [PABERKS] Re: Wicklein Church records > > Hi, > Do you have any idea why your family moved from Berks to York Co. in 1792? > I have a similar case in my family, but they moved by 1790. And then they > were back in Berks later. > Did it have anything to do with road building do you think? Maybe the road > down to Baltimore? > Thanks, > Elida