Julie Miller dotrain4u@yahoo.com

I am also willing to do lookups in HETRINA. I only ask that are patient with me. Cindy Hoffman smoketownuniv@myactv.net

Dan, Don't mean to butt in, but :) I'm researching Christopher WAGGONER who appears in Allegany Co., MD in 1792. Family oral history has it he was a "Hessian". So far, I've confirmed nothing...wondering if you know anything about him or other WAGGONERs in the vicinity. Thanks! Susan King

============================== Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:38:18 -0400 From: "John Merz" < hessian@sympatico.ca To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <00b001c30f50$0d50b820$542f9618@hala1.on.cogeco.ca> Subject: [HESSIAN] Pictures of the Brewery Uebelhack near Bayreuth, Germany Hello Hessians, Hello Franken, who wants to see the pictures, please ask me direct at hessian@xxxxxxxxx Uebelhack was a soldier of the Ansbach-Bayreuth troops, who deserted in America in 1781. John Merz ----- Original Message ----- From: Lochner Horst Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 3:10 PM Subject: brewery Das ist die fruehere Brauerei Uebelhack in Weiglathal nahe Creussen nahe Bayreuth. Jetzt Ausfluglokal. Aufnahme: 30. April 2003 Gruesse Horst Lochner This is the earlier brewery - and now an inn- Uebelhack in Weiglathal near Creussen near Bayreuth. Pictures were taken on 30th of April 2003. regards, Horst LochnerLT@t-online.de ______________________________ ------------------------------

Dear Earl, I am truly trying to help you find this ancestor of yours - in fact I tried to check the name out in Germany - as you noticed in my Personal Data File - I had been checking the name in the German Telephone Directory on-line, and I found over 100 listings of UEBELHACK, many of them around Bayreuth. I also looked for UEBELACKER, because this name was mentioned in the Prechtel Diary as a deserter in Newport, R.I., and there are over 400 listings mainly in Bavaria. Now it is quite possible that the Diarist Prechtel misquoted the name Uebelhack for Uebelacker, but there is no Uebelacker in any Ansbach-Bayreuth military files, just Uebelhack. BTW. I check the German listings for the following variations: Evelhoch, Evelhock, Evelhack, Evelhach, and Evilhack - not one listing found! While checking the mail list archives of this list I came across one posting with the name Uebelhack in 2003, when a friend of mine in Bayreuth, Mr. Horst Lochner, offered to show pictures of the Brewery Uebelhack near Bayreuth, so you see we have been working on your name. Horst has been trying to help many of our subscribers, and he could be of help to you. Have you tried to contact him? Now the correction to your statement re: desertion date - S#19 - Clifford Neal Smith - Monograph #2 -Mercenaries from Ansbach: 7-142 Uebelhack, Johann Konrad, private, A/3. Deserted on 18 May 1781. (Not 18 May 1783 as you quoted) Doehla's Diary does not mention Uebelhack at all. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Earl H. Lippert" <ehlippert@comcast.net> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 7:49 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Re JOHANN KONRAD UEBELHACK > Hello John, > > It is nice to hear from you again. Thank You, you are correct, as I made a mistake while trying to put together that query from memory, and late at night when I should have been in bed, about JOHANN KONRAD UEBELHACK'S desertion date. It is > 18 May 1783 instead of 17 May 1783, and I got that date of 18 May 1783 from Clifford Neal Smith's "Monograph #2," and I got the location of Lancaster, Pennsylvania for that date from "A Hessian Diary of the American Revolution" by Johann Conrad Döhla's book, translated by Bruce E. Burgoyne. > <SNIP>

Cindy, Is the letter handwritten? I speak German, but have trouble reading older, handwritten texts. You could send me a copy and I'll see what I can do. danwaggoner@wayne.edu Dan Waggoner __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp

I hope this isn't too off subject..... I have a copy of an original 1854 letter written to one of our local ministers of the time from Birkenfeld. It is of course in German. I can only read a few words as I am not very far into my lessons. Is there someone who could volunteer to translate if for us? Cindy Hoffman

Hello John, It is nice to hear from you again. Thank You, you are correct, as I made a mistake while trying to put together that query from memory, and late at night when I should have been in bed, about JOHANN KONRAD UEBELHACK'S desertion date. It is 18 May 1783 instead of 17 May 1783, and I got that date of 18 May 1783 from Clifford Neal Smith's "Monograph #2," and I got the location of Lancaster, Pennsylvania for that date from "A Hessian Diary of the American Revolution" by Johann Conrad Döhla's book, translated by Bruce E. Burgoyne. As you said, a name like this can't get lost, or shouldn't, B U T.............? I know where we are today, but where are they in the earlier years, from 1783 to 1830? Thank you for correcting my mistake, and offering the additonal information as to other options to look for, And I do hope we can find some cousins to help, that would really be nice to have some help. If only I could find some information about Johann Konrad Uebelhack after his desertion, like where he settled, who he married, and his children. Oh, it would be so nice to be in the know! I'll just keep looking and asking and hoping for some answers! Take Care! Best Wishes, Earl Subject: Re: JOHANN KONRAD UEBELHACK Author: John Helmut Merz Date: 02 Feb 2005 11:05 PM GMT I do have a problem with your desertion date, although the Staedtler list of Ansbach deserters quotes him as having deserted on 18. May 1783, which seems to be the basis of your conclusions. This would place him in an entirely different location, and may be the source of your problem finding him.

Hi Earl, I was just thinking that if my Hessian's name could have been changed so much, maybe yours could have been too. I'd try actually viewing the census in the areas you think he was in. I do know that Ancestry.com's and Genealogy.com's indexes have major errors in the transcriptions of the indexes. One example is in my site at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/hstry/btyhist.htm This is an extract from my site.... This is from Ray Beaty PHD.. the Beatty project founder... A related research problem has emerged in the last few years. As we now have indexes for just about every available U.S. Census year we are running into the problem created by indexing errors. Many of the original census data pages are difficult to read because of the census recorder's difficult handwriting or the quality of the microfilm. I have been working with the Ancestry.com and the Genealogy.com indexes and have found several errors in the past couple of weeks. For example, Donna Van Zandt and I were looking for the 1870 data on a Lewis Beatty (Lineage 1), having the data for all the other census years on him. He is not listed in the Genealogy.com 1870 index under the normal variations (Baty, Baity, Batey, Beatie, Beattie, Beatty, Beaty, Beattey, Betty etc.). Donna found him the hard way by going to the county and township he lived in 1860 and searched the 1870 residents until she found him. When she sent me the data I wondered how Genealogy.com had missed him, so I pulled up the 1870 image which looked like it could have been interpreted as BENTLY. When I went back to the Genealogy.com index I then found him....listed as LEWIS BENTTZ.! A spelling variation I would never have thought to check! So....Researchers beware....like DAR records, family bibles, county (vanity) histories, etc., these new indexes are not without errors! Nelda Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG Beatty #005 & #10; Graves #231 & #105 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://www.doodleartgraphics.com/

RootsWeb Message Boards - Message [ Re: JOHANN KONRAD UEBELHACK ] Boards > Surnames > Uebelhack Subject: Re: JOHANN KONRAD UEBELHACK Author: John Helmut Merz Date: 02 Feb 2005 11:05 PM GMT Email: Good start, Earl, and I wish you good luck with your search for your Hessian soldier ancestor. I do have a problem with your desertion date, although the Staedtler list of Ansbach deserters quotes him as having deserted on 18. May 1783, which seems to be the basis of your conclusions. This would place him in an entirely different location, and may be the source of your problem finding him. Consider this - in the "A Hessian Officer's Diary of the American Revolution" , translated from An Anonymus Ansbach-Bayreuth Diary as originally written by Johann Ernst Prechtel, translated and edited by Bruce E. Burgoyne, published by Heritage Books, Inc., Bowie, Maryland, 1994, on page 94 is listed UEBELACKER as a deserter from the Grenadier Company while the Company was stationed at Rhode Island, in 1778. With him are lsied as deserters: Friedrich Stoll, Chreistoph Bernhard, Johann Georg Rummel, and Simon Gruber. Mind you, they did not desert together on one day, but from the same location at Newport, R.I. (Stoll 20 Feb 1778, Bernhart 1. March 1778, Rummel 13.Aug.1778, could not find Gruber, Simon) Anyway, let's hope that we find some cousins of yours who can help with this search. Name like this can't get lost, eh? Greetings, John Merz, retired in Ontario.

Dear Earl, you probably heard back from Cindy that your ancestor's name cannot be found in Mrs. Kiddoo's article "Of Revolutionary Memory". The problem as you must be aware of is his desertion date. He deserted from the Ansbacher long before Yorktown in Oct. 1781, that means he did not get with the Yorktown prisoners to Frederick, Maryland. I remember that you ordered my 'Guide' back in 2002 and with it I furnished you with a Personal Data File for your man. Listed are several sources of information which did not include S#147), and I also made a few suggestions. I see that you followed the one with creating a Rootsweb Message Board for the name UEBELHACK, and I am pleased to say that I entered a new message to it. Otherwise, I checked our mail list archives, would you believe that Mrs. Nancy Rice Kiddoo's article has been mentioned on our list more than 130 times since 1998, and I guess most names in the article have come up during the last 7 years. Still, I do appreciate Cindy's efforts, we cannot let our Hessians be forgotten. Cheers, John Helmut Merz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Earl H. Lippert" <ehlippert@comcast.net> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Resources for Frederick County, MD > Hello Cindy, > > Thank you very much for offering to do lookups. I'm looking for any > information for Johann Konrad UEBELHACK / ÜBELHACK of the Ansbach - Bayreuth > Regiment. I have never found any information about him since he decided to > stay in America after the Hessians were started on their march to New York > in 1783 after being detained in Frederick, etc. for well over a year. His > desertion date is about 17 May 1783. I belive the name might have been > changed to Evelhock - Evilhock - Evelhoch - Evilhawk, and a few other > spellings, but today, everyone that I am aware of uses the Evelhoch > spelling. The earliest Evelhoch, Evelhock's, etc., that I'm aware of, were > found in the Washington County, Maryland, etc. area. > > Thank you for any help you might be able to give me. > Sincerely, > Earl

Hi John and Earl, John how would you prounce that name in english with a german accent... PLease spell it phentically... as in Knight is nite.... could it be listed in a 1790 census that way?? my Bonstein was listed as Punstine .... Earl have you tried looking for him under wierd spellings like this?? Nelda LM Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG Beatty #005 & #10; Graves #231 & #105 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://www.doodleartgraphics.com/

Will you check to see if Georg Nikolaus Spaht (Spaid), (Spaeht) is in the diary. I know he was there and chose to stay in America. Thank You Very Much. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann HeInz" <agatha1@flash.net> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 9:00 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Diary of Jacob Engelbrecht > BlankI have The Diary of Jacob Englebrecht who lived in Fredrickstown, > Va.. This was the site of the barracks where Hessian troops captured at > Yorktown were imprisoned from 1782-1783 when those wishing to return to > Germany were sent home. Most of these prisoners were from Bayreuth > regiments. > Jacob's father, John Conrad Engelbrecht. was one of these prisoners who > stayed. Jacob also lists others as being part of the troops. There are > many,many more names listed in the index . I'm sure many of them were > Hessian soldiers, but not identified. I will list those identified as > Hessian: > Francis Kleinert, George Ebrecht, Christopher Heckman, John Schoendeck, > Peter Meyershoeffer, Henry Fogler (Heinrich Vogeler) , Andrew Macht, Adam > Schiemel, Michael Marquert, Gildz, John Richerd, Hoffman, Caspar Taube > (Faubel), Jacob Foelker. > These names are usually just a death notice, but I will send you what he > had. > If you feel your Hessian might have been here a Frederickstown then I will > be glad to look up the surname in the index. > Jacob's diary is 1166 pages long, mostly filled with short observations > on local events, politics and weather.The Hessian barracks were later used > to house cholera victims. Jacob was born after the soldiers stayed or went > back to Germany. > If you want a look up, contact me. > Ann > agatha1@flash.net > > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > Mail List archives are your best bet to find information, try > You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going > from one message to another. > To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > **************** >

Jacob Engelbrecht was from Frederick (or Fredericktown), Maryland, not from Virginia. There's a postcard image of the Hessian Barracks (also in Frederick, MD) at http://mryamamoto.50megs.com/us40/us40.htm Best, Karen Stuart (also a great admirer of the Engelbrecht diaries)

Cindy I would love to hear what she has to say about the Fernau men, Justus, Phillip and Johannes in her book or if they are even indexed in this particular source. No rush just if you get a chance-thanks Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Hoffman" <smoketownuniv@myactv.net> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:10 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Resources for Frederick County, MD > I can do lookups in "Of Revolutionary Memory" by Nancy Rice Kidoo. Many Hessians who settled in Western Maryland are noted here, many with sources too. > > Cindy Hoffman > Descendant of Henrich Hoffman, Johann Michael Ostertag, Christian Dagenhart, Jeremias Eiffert. > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > For Hessian research in Canada contact the Marilyn Adams Genealogical Research Centre, Ameliasburg, Ontario e-mail 7thtownmagrc@kos.net or check the mail list archives of this list for address. > You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. > To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > **************** > This list was started by Johannes Helmut Merz, Hessian researcher. >

Agatha- is there perhaps a Johann Bus(c)h listed, or anything resembling that? Thank you? John Bush -----Original Message----- From: Ann HeInz [mailto:agatha1@flash.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 9:01 PM To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HESSIAN] Diary of Jacob Engelbrecht BlankI have The Diary of Jacob Englebrecht who lived in Fredrickstown, Va.. This was the site of the barracks where Hessian troops captured at Yorktown were imprisoned from 1782-1783 when those wishing to return to Germany were sent home. Most of these prisoners were from Bayreuth regiments. Jacob's father, John Conrad Engelbrecht. was one of these prisoners who stayed. Jacob also lists others as being part of the troops. There are many,many more names listed in the index . I'm sure many of them were Hessian soldiers, but not identified. I will list those identified as Hessian: Francis Kleinert, George Ebrecht, Christopher Heckman, John Schoendeck, Peter Meyershoeffer, Henry Fogler (Heinrich Vogeler) , Andrew Macht, Adam Schiemel, Michael Marquert, Gildz, John Richerd, Hoffman, Caspar Taube (Faubel), Jacob Foelker. These names are usually just a death notice, but I will send you what he had. If you feel your Hessian might have been here a Frederickstown then I will be glad to look up the surname in the index. Jacob's diary is 1166 pages long, mostly filled with short observations on local events, politics and weather.The Hessian barracks were later used to house cholera victims. Jacob was born after the soldiers stayed or went back to Germany. If you want a look up, contact me. Ann agatha1@flash.net ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== Mail List archives are your best bet to find information, try You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L ****************

Cindy, Thanks for the offer! I'm trying to find information about John Peter Herr who lived in Hagerstown, MD after the war. He was a member of the Hesse-Kassel Regt and deserted in August 1782 at Yorktown before the big battle. He ended up in Fredricks Prison then apparently was released at the end of the war when he married and appeared in Hagerstown. He had many children and was last known to be in Fairfield Co., OH in 1835 with wife and one son. I'm unsure if he died and is buried in OH or back in MD but suspect in OH. John M. Rhodes

Hello Cindy, Thank you very much for offering to do lookups. I'm looking for any information for Johann Konrad UEBELHACK / ÜBELHACK of the Ansbach - Bayreuth Regiment. I have never found any information about him since he decided to stay in America after the Hessians were started on their march to New York in 1783 after being detained in Frederick, etc. for well over a year. His desertion date is about 17 May 1783. I belive the name might have been changed to Evelhock - Evilhock - Evelhoch - Evilhawk, and a few other spellings, but today, everyone that I am aware of uses the Evelhoch spelling. The earliest Evelhoch, Evelhock's, etc., that I'm aware of, were found in the Washington County, Maryland, etc. area. Thank you for any help you might be able to give me. Sincerely, Earl

I can do lookups in "Of Revolutionary Memory" by Nancy Rice Kidoo. Many Hessians who settled in Western Maryland are noted here, many with sources too. Cindy Hoffman Descendant of Henrich Hoffman, Johann Michael Ostertag, Christian Dagenhart, Jeremias Eiffert.

Hi, Wow, Thank you Cindy...this is what makes a mailing list work... People helping people! Now if everybody would list their resource books and possibly a surname index list.. People searching the archives would know who to ask... Nelda LM Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG Beatty #005 & #10; Graves #231 & #105 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://www.doodleartgraphics.com/