In a message dated 2/12/05 7:02:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, agatha1@flash.net writes: BlankIf in going through other sites I come across material on a Hessian soldier and it is O.K.'d for non profit distribution, can I send these pages to the List? in particular i am thinking of pages found on rootsweb when i put hessians as subject. they have 304 documents ann Better to ask forgiveness than to ask permission :-) Charles Severs

BlankIf in going through other sites I come across material on a Hessian soldier and it is O.K.'d for non profit distribution, can I send these pages to the List? in particular i am thinking of pages found on rootsweb when i put hessians as subject. they have 304 documents ann agatha1@flash.net

Hi Ann, Of course, just quote the source, saying where you found it and maybe include a link? I wasn't saying items indicated for sale on another site could not be mentioned.. I said you can't say they are for sale.. Does that make since? Its like I saw a Hertina all volume set at http......,,,,, site anyone interested go look... Nelda Pax et bonum! Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Ann HeInz" <agatha1@flash.net> Reply-To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HESSIAN] material on the net Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:01:57 -0600 BlankIf in going through other sites I come across material on a Hessian soldier and it is O.K.'d for non profit distribution, can I send these pages to the List? in particular i am thinking of pages found on rootsweb when i put hessians as subject. they have 304 documents ann agatha1@flash.net ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe click on AMREV-HESSIANS-L-request@rootsweb.com and write one single word unsubscribe in subject line and text field. No other words or explanations or it won't work. You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L ****************

Hi John, Good to see you back on... I had changed the tag lines to show the correct URL for the two different searchs for the archives as the one you had did not work right...and I had a complaint.. So I fixed it... This is how they read now: Nelda The taglines for this mailing list have been changed. Here are the current settings; if they are incorrect, please visit Tag 1: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ For Hessian research in Canada contact the Marilyn Adams Genealogical Research Centre, Ameliasburg, Ontario e-mail 7thtownmagrc@kos.net or check the mail list archives of this list for address. You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L **************** This list was started by Johannes Helmut Merz, Hessian researcher. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tag 2: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L **************** Try them they are a treasure grove of information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tag 3: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ HETRINA - "Hessische Truppen im Amerikanischen Unabhaengigkeitskrieg" Six Volumes covering Hessen-Kassel, Hessen-Hanau, and Waldeck. HETRINA does not cover Braunschweig/Brunswick, Ansbach-Bayreuth or Anhalt-Zerbst. Those are partly covered by other publications. This list was started in 1998 by Johannes (John) Helmut Merz, and you will find his explanations about HETRINA in our mail list archives. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tag 4: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mail List archives are your best bet to find information,You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L **************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tag 5: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe click on AMREV-HESSIANS-L-request@rootsweb.com and write one single word unsubscribe in subject line and text field. No other words or explanations or it won't work. You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L **************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tag 6: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 6000 Hessian soldiers remained in North America after the Peace in 1783, the majority settled in the Eastern United States and Canada. You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L **************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tag 7: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please stick to our published subject - Hessian Soldiers of the American Revolution, not WWII or the Civil War. No other Immigrants. You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L **************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tag 8: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Source HETRINA has been discussed more often than anything else, you find the explanations by checking the key word archive. You can find it by typing in "26 feb 1999" and look for HETRINA. Or check the Threaded Archives for February 1999 - Hetrina publication. You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L **************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tag 9: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The subject of this list - Hessian Soldiers of the American Revolution No other wars - no other German immigrants. Please stick to the subject. You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L **************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tag 10: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Taglines are supposed to give you instructions on how this AMREV-HESSIANS mail list works. Please read them faithfully, and then erase such taglines before sending out an answer to a message. This message was written by John Helmut Merz, the founder of this list. One last word - Messages should not exceed what you can type on two letter pages, if you want to say more, make it two messages - Part one and Part two. Pax et bonum! Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin

Nelda; Thank you for all the information that you have been giving in regards to researching our Hessian descendants. I just mailed off in inquiry on my GGGGrandfather John Yarger who was a Hessian Soldier. What is tough is when people that do have a common thread won't answer their emails. Thank you again Patrick Deck Seattle, WA -----Original Message----- From: Nelda Percival <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> Sent: Feb 10, 2005 5:12 PM To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HESSIAN] Resource information Hi, I recieved a email from a non- subscriber This was the content... Bob, Charles, and AMREV HESSIAN Listers, Is knowledge of these monographs new or relatively new to the AMREV HESSIAN Listers? Have AMREV HESSIAN Listers had access to the Library of Congress GENEALOGY: GERMAN IMMIGRANTS TO AMERICA database before?Isn?t this the same information that the Library of Congress has under Clifford Neal Smith's source data microfiche files? /R Stephen Washington, DC I went to...google in put Library of Congress site url: http://www.loc.gov/ for the online catalog: http://catalog.loc.gov/ using basic search: input GERMAN IMMIGRANTS TO AMERICA DATABASE: Library of Congress Online Catalog YOU SEARCHED: Author/Creator Browse = GERMAN IMMIGRANTS TO AMERICA SEARCH RESULTS: Displaying 1 through 25 of 25 This is a very good resource for information of any kind... Nelda Pax et bonum! Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG Beatty #005 & #10; Graves #231 & #105 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://www.doodleartgraphics.com/ ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== The subject of this list - Hessian Soldiers of the American Revolution No other wars - no other German immigrants. Please stick to the subject. You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L ****************

CNIDR Isearch-cgi 1.20.06 (File: 7) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:28:26 -0500 From: "John Merz" <hessian@sympatico.ca> To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <024401c4fb27$9f7d45a0$542f9618@hala1.on.cogeco.ca> Subject: Updated tags for AMREV-HESSIANS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The taglines for this mailing list have been changed. Here are > the current settings; > Tag 1: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > For Hessian research in Canada contact the Marilyn Adams Genealogical Research Centre, Ameliasburg, Ontario e-mail 7thtownmagrc@kos.net or check the mail list archives of this list for address. > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=amrev-hessians > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > This list was started by Johannes Helmut Merz, Hessian researcher. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Tag 2: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Our mail list archives: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=amrev-hessians > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > Try them they are a treasure grove of information. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Tag 3: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > HETRINA - "Hessische Truppen im Amerikanischen Unabhaengigkeitskrieg" > Six Volumes covering Hessen-Kassel, Hessen-Hanau, and Waldeck. > HETRINA does not cover Braunschweig/Brunswick, Ansbach- Bayreuth or Anhalt-Zerbst. Those are partly covered by other publications. > This list was started in 1998 by Johannes (John) Helmut Merz, and you will find his explanations about HETRINA in our mail list archives. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Tag 4: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Mail List archives are your best bet to find information, try > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=amrev-hessians > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Tag 5: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe click on AMREV-HESSIANS-L-request@rootsweb.com > and write one single word unsubscribe in subject line and text field. > No other words or explanations or it won't work. > HONOR YOUR HESSIAN SOLDIER ANCESTOR - order our HESSIAN SOLDIER plaque - http://www.crbronzeworks.com/hessian/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Tag 6: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 6000 Hessian soldiers remained in North America after the Peace in 1783, the majority settled in the Eastern United States and Canada. > A quick check http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Tag 7: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please stick to our published subject - Hessian Soldiers of the > American Revolution, not WWII or the Civil War. No other Immigrants. > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=amrev-hessians > One more tip - do not use signature lines (with names) when posting. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Tag 8: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The Source HETRINA has been discussed more often than anything > else, you find the explanations by checking our key word archive > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=amrev-hessians > You can find it by typing in "26 feb 1999" and look for HETRINA. > Or check the Threaded Archives for February 1999 - Hetrina publication. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Tag 9: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The subject of this list - Hessian Soldiers of the American Revolution > No other wars - no other German immigrants. Please stick to the subject. > Please no signature lines, they confuse our mail list archives. > WANTED: Person with knowledge and time to run this list - no financial costs involved, only time and patience - talk to John Merz. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Tag 10: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Taglines are supposed to give you instructions on how this AMREV-HESSIANS mail list works. Please read them faithfully, and then erase such taglines before sending out an answer to a message. This message was written by John Helmut Merz, the founder of this list. > One last word - Messages should not exceed what you can type > on two letter pages, if you want to say more, > make it two messages - Part one and Part two. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > -------------------------------- End of AMREV-HESSIANS-D Digest V05 Issue #7 *******************************************

Karen, John just sent this.. ~~~~~~~~~ Nelda, our list archives have explicit explanations re: Hetrina, check the taglines for instructions. John ~~~~~~ Karen I'd say put Hetrina in the archives search engine... Nelda Pax et bonum! Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin

Hi Karen, I would have thought all the heavy duty researchers would have answered youir question by now... Hetrina, Auerbach, Franz, Frohlich. Volumes 1 - 6. Lists published by the Hessian State Archive at Marburg of about 15,000 soldiers in German regiments sent to fight in the American Revolution from 1776-1784. They were mostly recruited from Kassel and Waldeck. Sketches are given of individual units and their activities. Listed are the person's number, surname, given name, birthyear, place of origin, town & state, rank, unit, type of record, date, code to manuscript source. ~~~~ Wjhen I input Hetrina in google I found quite a few offereing to do look ups for a fee, and other references.. I would suggest searching google.com or calling your local library and asking them to find the closests library who has a copy of the set or.. I think the archives has the address of who John Merz gave his books to.. you might contact them... Nelda lm Pax et bonum! Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin Can someone explain what "Hetrina" is and where one finds it? I have searched the archives and found little except information on George Fazenbaker. I am used to searching in New England so this is all new to me. My first endeavour will be to try and learn the first name of Holzberger who is seems to be a deserter who settled locally. This doesn't seem to be a name that was common in the 1700's in the U.S. It looks like there were other immigrants after the turn of the century. Karen

Hello Cindy Hoffman Would you look up George Hartmann Diehl/Diel/Thiel in "Of Revolutionary Memory" by Nancy Rice Kidoo? I am having difficulty in confirming that he was a Hessian. He was born in 1750 in Bornheim, Frankfurt Main, Hessen Germany. Thank you in advance George Diehl

That name sould be Nicholas Holsbury not Hillsboro -- I think Spell Check got me. Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen McKellar" <kadica@tds.net> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Holzberger/Hohberger/Holenbach/Holzberg/Holzbrueck > Can someone explain what "Hetrina" is and where one finds it? I have > searched the archives and found little except information on George > Fazenbaker. I am used to searching in New England so this is all new to > me. > My first endeavour will be to try and learn the first name of Holzberger > who is seems to be a deserter who settled locally. > > This doesn't seem to be a name that was common in the 1700's in the U.S. > It looks like there were other immigrants after the turn of the century. > > Karen > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nelda Percival" <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> > To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 7:47 PM > Subject: RE: [HESSIAN] Holzberger/Hohberger/Holenbach/Holzberg/Holzbrueck > > >> Hi Karen, >> Welcome to the list, You did a wonderful job on giving us information on >> your supposed Hessian. >> My first suggestion would be to search the archives for all spellings of >> the surname. >> You could also search or browse for emails on resource books. >> >> The archives hold large amounts of information on resources to use to >> find the information you need. >> >> Nelda >> List Manager >> >> Pax et bonum! >> Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG >> Beatty #005 & #10; Graves #231 & #105 >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ >> http://www.doodleartgraphics.com/ >> >> >> >> ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== >> You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going >> from one message to another. To search: >> http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS >> To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L **************** >> Try them they are a treasure grove of information. >> > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe click on AMREV-HESSIANS-L-request@rootsweb.com > and write one single word unsubscribe in subject line and text field. > No other words or explanations or it won't work. You can search the > archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to > another. To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L **************** >

Can someone explain what "Hetrina" is and where one finds it? I have searched the archives and found little except information on George Fazenbaker. I am used to searching in New England so this is all new to me. My first endeavour will be to try and learn the first name of Holzberger who is seems to be a deserter who settled locally. This doesn't seem to be a name that was common in the 1700's in the U.S. It looks like there were other immigrants after the turn of the century. Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelda Percival" <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 7:47 PM Subject: RE: [HESSIAN] Holzberger/Hohberger/Holenbach/Holzberg/Holzbrueck > Hi Karen, > Welcome to the list, You did a wonderful job on giving us information on > your supposed Hessian. > My first suggestion would be to search the archives for all spellings of > the surname. > You could also search or browse for emails on resource books. > > The archives hold large amounts of information on resources to use to find > the information you need. > > Nelda > List Manager > > Pax et bonum! > Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG > Beatty #005 & #10; Graves #231 & #105 > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ > http://www.doodleartgraphics.com/ > > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going > from one message to another. To search: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L **************** > Try them they are a treasure grove of information. >

Hi, Inputting Hessian at the Library of Congress basis search on line catalog.. I had 46 hits.. Some with very interesting titles. Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin

Does anyone have any information about the subject Hessian Soldiers. I believe my ancestor, Nicholas Hillsboro (Americanized) may have been one of the above. Family tradition says that the name was altered. The first record I have found for him lists him as a settler at George's Creek, Allegany County, MD. He received lot 3855 as a settler. He later purchased lot 3854. He and his family are listed next to Godfrey Corbus on the 1800 census for George's Creek. His household consisted of 1 male under 10, 2 males 10-15, 1 male 45 and over, 1 female 10-15, and 1 female 26-44. George Fazenbaker is listed a few names away. At least one researcher, says that his wife, Catharine was the daughter of Godfrey Corbus. I believe George Fazenbaker's wife, Elizabeth is also believed to be a daughter of Godfrey Corbus. Nicholas and Catharine with their family left Maryland between 1800 and 1805 and settled in Fairfield County, Ohio (now Licking County) where she died in 1843. Nicholas died about 1817. One son of Nicholas and Catharine returned to Maryland and married a Poling daughter and moved to Barbour County, WV where they raised a large family and have many descendants. The others all remained in Ohio. He may have come to George's Creek with George Fazenbaker. I would appreciate suggestions on researching these names to determine if one of them may have had the given name Nicholas. Karen

Hi, I recieved a email from a non- subscriber This was the content... Bob, Charles, and AMREV HESSIAN Listers, Is knowledge of these monographs new or relatively new to the AMREV HESSIAN Listers? Have AMREV HESSIAN Listers had access to the Library of Congress GENEALOGY: GERMAN IMMIGRANTS TO AMERICA database before?Isn?t this the same information that the Library of Congress has under Clifford Neal Smith's source data microfiche files? /R Stephen Washington, DC I went to...google in put Library of Congress site url: http://www.loc.gov/ for the online catalog: http://catalog.loc.gov/ using basic search: input GERMAN IMMIGRANTS TO AMERICA DATABASE: Library of Congress Online Catalog YOU SEARCHED: Author/Creator Browse = GERMAN IMMIGRANTS TO AMERICA SEARCH RESULTS: Displaying 1 through 25 of 25 This is a very good resource for information of any kind... Nelda Pax et bonum! Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG Beatty #005 & #10; Graves #231 & #105 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://www.doodleartgraphics.com/

Hi Karen, Welcome to the list, You did a wonderful job on giving us information on your supposed Hessian. My first suggestion would be to search the archives for all spellings of the surname. You could also search or browse for emails on resource books. The archives hold large amounts of information on resources to use to find the information you need. Nelda List Manager Pax et bonum! Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG Beatty #005 & #10; Graves #231 & #105 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://www.doodleartgraphics.com/

Hi list members, and all concerned with this subject, The rules at rootsweb.com says no direct advertisement. The reason John could do it was he paid over 100 dollars in a donation to become a contributing member, this gave him actual ownership of the list he created, so he could do what he wanted. After Ancestry.com bought rootsweb.com the rules were changed. People like John were allowed to continue under a grandfather clause. Robert, I sent you an email off list, it came back... You can mention that you still have the items but not that they are for sell nor the cost. In reference to source references... listing items on the list is a public/list information post, listing costs is not.. Barry, Rewording your post would have been better, leaving out the cost, but including the url site of where they are listed for sale would have been acceptable. Yes, we all are to used to John's dedication to answering questions about "OUR" Hessians.. But that's what a mailing list is all about.. each member helping new members as best they can...pointing out resources for the person to look in, or answering directly if they can.. on submiting resource information to the list to be archived for future finds... I list these for your reference.... Rootsweb.com's Acceptable Use Policy (AUP) http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html under User-Provided Content, MyFamily.com, Inc. is sensitive to copyright and other intellectual property rights of others. For more information concerning copyright issues, view our corporate policy. Content submitted for the purpose of commercial use, advertising or fee for service is prohibited. under corporate policy: http://www.myfamilyinc.com/about_us/copyright.htm Limited Use LICENSE You are licensed to use the Content only for personal or professional family history research, and may download Content only as search results relevant to that research. The download of the whole or significant portions of any work or database is prohibited. Resale of a work or database or portion thereof, except as specific results relevant to specific research for an individual, is prohibited. On line or other republication of Content is prohibited except as unique data elements that are part of a unique family history or genealogy. Violation of this License may result in immediate termination of your membership and may result in legal action for injunction, damages or both. You may use access software provided on the Service only while on line and may not download, copy, reuse or distribute that software, except where it is clearly stated in connection with software that it is made available for offline use and a license for that use is provided in connection with that software. According to what is written here it is my belief that parts of any resource book quoted properly.. Could be listed in the archives. I would sugest that a person extract surnames from a resource book, list them in an email and send that info to the list to be archived. This would help the researcher in that they would know in what book thier ancestor was listed... You could even put in the email where this book could be found. Please any more discussion of this topic should be off list and with me personally.. Nelda List Manager Pax et bonum! Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG Beatty #005 & #10; Graves #231 & #105 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://www.doodleartgraphics.com/

http://www.theriver.com/westlandpubn/ga.html That is a wonderful source but a little costly to purchase everything suggested by the indices. Too bad we dont have a younger John Merz who could have a copy of each sent by us all and do lookups from a computer index for all monographs for contributors or on a cost of time to lookup basis. John Spoiled us with his extensive energy , library, and willingness to donate his time to the "Cause". Charles Severs John donated his library to the Sons of the American Revolution library in Louisville, Ky. We might consider a purchase of each monograph, making a copy for their own use, and donating the original to that library where a complete set could be held. With all the interested persons we should be able to get a complete set of monographs in one place. The SAR has a list of researchers that work on a time for service hourly rate and, probably, one would become interested shortly and become familiar with the material. I would be glad to purchase one monograph and donate it to that cause. Any better suggestions? Charles Severs

Robert -- You wrote: > My Hessian Revolutionary War Soldier is Michael Lorance (Lorentz). <SNIP> > My brick wall is Michael before landing at Staten Island on 03 June 1777. > Any help in finding information from Germany and my German cousins would > be appreciated. If you are able to pinpoint your soldier to an arrival date of 03 June 1777, then you have narrowed your quest significantly because that was the arrival date of the convoy escorted by HMS Somerset (64-guns, Captain George Ourry, commanding), HMS Mercury, (24-guns, Captain James Montagu), HMS Fox, (28-guns, Captain Patrick Fotheringham), HMS Dispatch, (Sloop of War, Master & Commander Christopher Mason), and MS Pegasus, (Sloop or War, M&C Hamilton Gore). This convoy included the transports carrying the Ansbach-Bayreuth deployment and the 1777 Hessian Chasseurs (Jägers) and replacement recruits. The Anspach-Bayreuth contingent comprised 1404 heads (60 officers, 11 surgeons, 1271 men & 62 women) transported in 10 ships. The Hessian contingent comprised 538 heads (5 officers, 3 surgeons, 489 men, 29 women & 12 children). I find in Erhard Städler, _Die Ansbach-Bayreuther Truppen im Amerikanischen Unabhängigkeitskrig 1777-1783_ ["The Ansbach-Bayreth Troops in the American Independence War 1777-1783] Nürnberg, 1956) the following listing; Lorenz, Michael, Gemeiner. B I. Des. 13. 8. 78. A "Gemeiner" was a "Private." "B I." indicates he served in the commpany commanded by Oberst Johann Heinrich Christian Franz von Seybothen. "B" indicates he was in the junior battaliojn/regiment called by many names, the most popular being the "Bayreuth Regiment" or the "Second Battalion of the Ansbach-Bayreuth Regiment." Whatever you call them, these were the lads with the black lapels (the other battalion/regiment had red lapels). Until 06 Feb 1778, this was the second senior company in the "blacks" but on that date Col v. Voit moved to take command of the "reds and v. Seybothen took command of the "blacks." "Des. 13. 8. 78" indicates he deserted on 13 Aug 1778. At that time, the A-Bs were in the vicinity of Newport, Rhode Island, at the end of the so-called "Battle of Rhode Island." Städler's source for his study was the muster rolls found at The National Archive (formerly the Public Record Office) at Kew, in the Greater London area. The citation is T 38/812 which comprises two boxes and has about 225 muster rolls included. Unfortunately, these muster rolls only give the man's name and as they were submitted to the British for payment, they are written in French, the international diplomatic language of the day. About 1802, the government published a list of deserters in America who had nine months to appear in court to explain their desertion or else the government would confiscate their property. This list of about 200 names named the town each man belonged to. Alas Michael Lorenz is not on that list. I recommend you read the Journal of Conrad Döhla (translated by Bruce E. Burgoyne, in print, and available by interlibrary loan if not at you local library) to learn what happened from the time the troops marched from home, the mutiny enroute to the coast, the trip to America, going to Philadelphia, the return to New York, then the deployment to Rhode Island. Döhla was in B IV, therefore was in a different company in the same regiment) Bob Brooks, retired on the downeast coast of Maine

Barry & Nelda -- Barry -- These are the late Clifford Neal Smith's monographs back in print. Most were originally published in the 1970s and complement the HETRINA volumes published about the same time as Smith also covers the Brunswick and Anspach-Bayreuth troops. They are an essential research tool for the genealogist beginning his or her serach for a German soldier who severved in America; however, they belong in a public library. Much, if not most of Clifford Neal Smith's source data is available to the public via microfilm purchased from the Library of Congress; however, it may be written in Greman script or in French or in English or a combination of languages. Nelda -- I think you are overreacting by reminding Barry that it is RootsWeb policy that idividuals can not advertise to sell items on RootsWeb lists then telling him "Please do not re-advertise ... " Barry has no personnel gain in advising the list that the Clifford Neal Smith monographs are back in print. When HETINA came back in print, I first learned of the fact and of the details of how to acquire copies by hearing about it on this list. If you'll recall, members of this list have had cemetery monuments and lapel pins manufactured on a non-profit basis for the benefit of members of this list. I don't belive that Rootswebs anti-commericalism policy was/is intended to eliminate "public service announcements" which is what I consider that Barry did. Bob Brooks, retired on the downeast coast of Maine but stll lurking on the list. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Wetherington" <cbarrfly@comcast.net> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 6:46 AM Subject: [HESSIAN] Mercenaries fm Hessen-Hanau remained US / Hessen-Hanau Ger 1741-1767 > Hi Nelda, > > Have you or any AmRev-Hessians made use of these attractive sounding $25 > Monographs? > > Barry Wetherington > > G-05, Mercenaries from Hessen-Hanau Who Remained in Canada and the United > States After the American Revolution. > G-06, Emigrants from the Principality of Hessen-Hanau, Germany, 1741-1767. > G-01, Brunswick Deserter-Immigrants of the American Revolution. > G-02, Mercenaries from Ansbach and Bayreuth, Germany, Who Remained in > America After the American Revolution. > G-03, Muster Rolls and Prisoner-of-War Lists in American Archival > Collections Pertaining to the German Mercenary Troops Who Served wtih > British Forces During the American Revolution. > G-03A, Part 1: Muster Rolls 1-25. > G-03B, Part 2: Muster Rolls 26-52. > G-03C, Part 3: Muster Rolls 53-72. > G-04, Emigrants from Saxony (Grandduchy of Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach) to > America: 1854, 1859. > > MUCH MORE HERE: > http://www.theriver.com/westlandpubn/ga.html > > > GENEALOGY: GERMAN IMMIGRANTS TO AMERICA > (G-SERIES Version 1.0) > > Included in this database will be found the surnames and the thirty > monograph numbers (plus separately published parts) in which they appear. > Almost all the monographs are based on materials translated into English > from foreign (usually German) documents in European archival collections. >>From these documents it has been possible to establish the places of >>origin > (usually birthplaces) of immigrants who came to Canada and the United > States, thus establishing a bridge between Europe and North America. This > is especially valuable because port of entry records are often fragmentary > and rarely give the birthplaces in Europe. Likewise, naturalization > records in the United States almost never specified birthplaces, other > than the country or province. > > Having found a surname of interest herein, the researcher should look to > the following list of monograph titles to determine whether the research > subject arrived in the approximate time period as that of the immigrant > listed in the monograph. Detailed information--often including > considerable data--will be found in the monographs, giving further clues > as to possibility that the listed immigrant is the same as the ancestor > sought by the researcher. Researchers will need to order these monographs > from Westland Publications, Post Office Box 820, Vail, Arizona 85641, for > full details. The cost per monograph is $25 postpaid and will be sent by > surface mail upon receipt of researchers' orders and checks. Please order > by monograph number and specify surname of interest. Upon receipt of such > orders, Westland Publications will verify the surname against a soundex to > determine whether there might be other spellings of the surname > (particularly necessary for eighteenth-century immigrants whose German > surname spelling may differ from English-language renderings in the New > World). In the event that there are other spellings, the researcher will > be informed. Monograph titles are as follows: > > > Barry Wetherington > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > The subject of this list - Hessian Soldiers of the American Revolution No > other wars - no other German immigrants. Please stick to the subject. > You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going > from one message to another. To search: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L **************** > > >

Hi Nelda, Have you or any AmRev-Hessians made use of these attractive sounding $25 Monographs? Barry Wetherington G-05, Mercenaries from Hessen-Hanau Who Remained in Canada and the United States After the American Revolution. G-06, Emigrants from the Principality of Hessen-Hanau, Germany, 1741-1767. G-01, Brunswick Deserter-Immigrants of the American Revolution. G-02, Mercenaries from Ansbach and Bayreuth, Germany, Who Remained in America After the American Revolution. G-03, Muster Rolls and Prisoner-of-War Lists in American Archival Collections Pertaining to the German Mercenary Troops Who Served wtih British Forces During the American Revolution. G-03A, Part 1: Muster Rolls 1-25. G-03B, Part 2: Muster Rolls 26-52. G-03C, Part 3: Muster Rolls 53-72. G-04, Emigrants from Saxony (Grandduchy of Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach) to America: 1854, 1859. MUCH MORE HERE: http://www.theriver.com/westlandpubn/ga.html GENEALOGY: GERMAN IMMIGRANTS TO AMERICA (G-SERIES Version 1.0) Included in this database will be found the surnames and the thirty monograph numbers (plus separately published parts) in which they appear. Almost all the monographs are based on materials translated into English from foreign (usually German) documents in European archival collections. From these documents it has been possible to establish the places of origin (usually birthplaces) of immigrants who came to Canada and the United States, thus establishing a bridge between Europe and North America. This is especially valuable because port of entry records are often fragmentary and rarely give the birthplaces in Europe. Likewise, naturalization records in the United States almost never specified birthplaces, other than the country or province. Having found a surname of interest herein, the researcher should look to the following list of monograph titles to determine whether the research subject arrived in the approximate time period as that of the immigrant listed in the monograph. Detailed information--often including considerable data--will be found in the monographs, giving further clues as to possibility that the listed immigrant is the same as the ancestor sought by the researcher. Researchers will need to order these monographs from Westland Publications, Post Office Box 820, Vail, Arizona 85641, for full details. The cost per monograph is $25 postpaid and will be sent by surface mail upon receipt of researchers' orders and checks. Please order by monograph number and specify surname of interest. Upon receipt of such orders, Westland Publications will verify the surname against a soundex to determine whether there might be other spellings of the surname (particularly necessary for eighteenth-century immigrants whose German surname spelling may differ from English-language renderings in the New World). In the event that there are other spellings, the researcher will be informed. Monograph titles are as follows: Barry Wetherington