I am not a DNA expert, but I have had had some tests from Family Tree DNA for myself. I can say without reservation, though, that there is no such thing as special "German" or "Hessian" DNA - it does not work that way, although the regions of ancient peoples can be isolated with excavations . There is absolutely no such thing as "American/Anglo Saxon "blood/DNA". The only "American blood" DNA is that of Native Americans. There are various DNA types of European peoples. My Y-DNA is called E3b, which is not very common in Northern Europe - although it is "Indo-European", it is associated with the Mediteranian. We surmise that a male from there came up north (my male line comes from Germany) in the Neo-Neolithic expansion. Other men that have had the same test done, whose (male) ancestry is Dutch, Swedish, etc., have had the same type. Bill Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry <cbarrfly@comcast.net> Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2005 11:16 pm Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Hessian or 1812 dna > Is there something abt German blood/ dna that sets it off from > American/ > anglo saxon/ blood / dna? Same query for Mitochondrial (female > relevant) > dna? Or 'Hessian' from 'regular' German dna/ blood? If this > becomes > important, I know JUST who to contact. > > >

Hi, Well, the subject has been discussed and as a research tool for Hessians it is not viable... I am not saying its not a viable tool for genealogy research of a particular surname. It is. But that needs to be discussed off list. thank you List Manager in this case! Pax et bonum! Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://doodleartgraphics.com

The only way that it will be useful is if there is a family project of straight-line male descendants of a particular Hessian, so that their (male) Y-DNA could be tested and compared to different lines. The (female) mtDNA would not be of any use. I know of living relatives from a straight male line of my ancestor, Daniel Engelcke, but I have not asked any of them if they would participate in such a study. It would not do much to prove anything interesting to us, because I do not know of another line from a different son(s) of the soldier.It would not include me, either, as a participant because I am a not a male straight-line descendant. Bill Smith Descendant of Daniel Engelcke, of the Saratoga campaign.

As I said I am researching my ancestor of surname Carrel who may have arrived in North America about the time of the Revolutionary War. I don't care if he was a Hessian mercenary or not. I am looking for anyone of surname Carrel or Correll who came to North America about the time of the Revolutionary War, but not from Britian. I have learned that there were Hessians with that surname who stayed here. If any male descendant of such a Carrel is alive today - I invite him to join the Carroll surname family Y-DNA project now under way. Of course there is no such thing as Hessian "blood" and I never suggested there was. There is however such a thing as a Carrel Y-DNA haplotype, which has nothing to do with any gene or medical condition, Hessian or otherwise. Eric Carroll-DNA List Admin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelda Percival" <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] German / Hessian blood > Barry, > If it is about Hessians it belongs on the list. But I wish Eric or George > would explain in Laymans terms but in detail... > Nelda > > Pax et bonum! > Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ > http://doodleartgraphics.com > > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > The Source HETRINA has been discussed more often than anything > else, you find the explanations by checking the key word archive. > You can find it by typing in "26 feb 1999" and look for HETRINA. > Or check the Threaded Archives for February 1999 - Hetrina publication. > You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. > To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Nelda, Beginning to look like dna could be useful to Hessian descendants, thanks to George. Barry > Barry, on 2 Mar 2005 at 23:16, you sent the following: > >> Is there something abt German blood/ dna that sets it off from >> American/ >> anglo saxon/ blood / dna? Same query for Mitochondrial (female relevant) >> dna? Or >> 'Hessian' from 'regular' German dna/ blood? If this becomes important, I >> know >> JUST who to contact. >> >> Barry Wetherington ----- Original Message ----- From: "George McCallum" <gmc@armct.com> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] German blood > > I think it's called the schadenfreude chromosome. > > George McCallum > ARM Computer Techniques Inc., > 134 Manor Road East, > Toronto, Canada M4S 2A3 > (tel) 416-488-1757 > (fax) 416-488-1758 > (email) gmc@armct.com > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > Mail List archives are your best bet to find information,You can search > the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message > to another. > To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > To unsubscribe from the -D version of the > list:AMREV-HESSIANS-D-request@rootsweb.com and write one single word > unsubscribe in subject line and text field. No other words or > explanations or it won't work. > you must unsub from the version you are subscribed to -D for that address > and -L for that one, don't get them mixed up...or you won't unsubscribe. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

Barry, on 2 Mar 2005 at 23:16, you sent the following: > Is there something abt German blood/ dna that sets it off from American/ > anglo saxon/ blood / dna? Same query for Mitochondrial (female relevant) dna? Or > 'Hessian' from 'regular' German dna/ blood? If this becomes important, I know > JUST who to contact. > > Barry Wetherington I think it's called the schadenfreude chromosome. George McCallum ARM Computer Techniques Inc., 134 Manor Road East, Toronto, Canada M4S 2A3 (tel) 416-488-1757 (fax) 416-488-1758 (email) gmc@armct.com

Is there something abt German blood/ dna that sets it off from American/ anglo saxon/ blood / dna? Same query for Mitochondrial (female relevant) dna? Or 'Hessian' from 'regular' German dna/ blood? If this becomes important, I know JUST who to contact. Barry Wetherington ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelda Percival" <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Hessian or 1812 > Hi Eric, > Boy am I glad you weren't curssing me...LOL I see no reason, if there are > interested parties on the list, you telling us a little about how DNA > would be used to identify a person's Hessian heritage. > > I know a little about DNA, and using it for one name studies, but most > Hessians are from different surname groups. Would you explain a little... > Maybe one or two emails on list then if no interest is shown then it would > need to be ended. > > I'm holding back on suggestions about researching in PA, because I believe > you probably have already tried that... > > Anyone else have suggestions? > > by the way... thanks for the transulation... > When I was in Germany in the middle 80's i read and spoke just enough to > get by but you had me going there! > > Nelda > LM > Pax et bonum! > Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ > http://doodleartgraphics.com > > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > 6000 Hessian soldiers remained in North America after the end of the war > in 1783. The majority settled in the Eastern United States and Canada. > You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going > from one message to another. To search: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

Barry, If it is about Hessians it belongs on the list. But I wish Eric or George would explain in Laymans terms but in detail... Nelda Pax et bonum! Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://doodleartgraphics.com

Hi Eric, Boy am I glad you weren't curssing me...LOL I see no reason, if there are interested parties on the list, you telling us a little about how DNA would be used to identify a person's Hessian heritage. I know a little about DNA, and using it for one name studies, but most Hessians are from different surname groups. Would you explain a little... Maybe one or two emails on list then if no interest is shown then it would need to be ended. I'm holding back on suggestions about researching in PA, because I believe you probably have already tried that... Anyone else have suggestions? by the way... thanks for the transulation... When I was in Germany in the middle 80's i read and spoke just enough to get by but you had me going there! Nelda LM Pax et bonum! Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://doodleartgraphics.com

Dear Nelda, LOL - I said - "That's a pity. What about discussion about Hessian DNA?" And the reason I said that Nelda is because I am on a search for my ancestor Philip Carrel's father who may have been a Hessian soldier hired by Britian during the American Revolutionary War, captured or deserted at the second battle of Trenton, and standing down and naturalized in Eastern Pennsylvania. My ancestor Philip Carrel was born in either eastern Pennsylvania or Germany. I am trying to find, out by whatever means available, who his father was. He may have been Johan Conrad Carrel, a Hessian soldier known to have been captured, but not to have died, imprisoned in Bucks County, and to not have returned to Germany. A blacksmith by trade. Probably from the Sachen (Saxony -Leipzig area), as his living male descendant's Y-DNA family project indicates a Slavic or Wendish ancient origin. Although he is proven to haved served in the second War of Independence, 1812-1813, I have no proof that he was a Hessian mercenary as yet. I am simply trying to find more information... Regards, Eric Olson Carroll-DNA List Administrator ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelda Percival" <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Hessian or 1812 > Hi Eric, > Sorry there... but my ancestry left Germany in 1776... I don't speak or read > the language... > Please repeat in English. > > LOL you have me...guessing but "dose this list allow discussion about DNA > > I know thats wrong... I did get the word one?? > > > Nelda > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Eric Olson" <ericbear@pcweb.net> > Reply-To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com > To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Hessian or 1812 > Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 16:02:52 -0800 > > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > Mail List archives are your best bet to find information,You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. > To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > To unsubscribe from the -D version of the list:AMREV-HESSIANS-D-request@rootsweb.com and write one single word unsubscribe in subject line and text field. No other words or explanations or it won't work. > you must unsub from the version you are subscribed to -D for that address and -L for that one, don't get them mixed up...or you won't unsubscribe. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Hi Eric, Sorry there... but my ancestry left Germany in 1776... I don't speak or read the language... Please repeat in English. LOL you have me...guessing but "dose this list allow discussion about DNA I know thats wrong... I did get the word one?? Nelda ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Eric Olson" <ericbear@pcweb.net> Reply-To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Hessian or 1812 Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 16:02:52 -0800

Nelda, Das ist ein Mitleid. Wie über Diskussion über grobes Sackzeug DNA? Eric ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelda Percival" <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 3:05 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Hessian or 1812 > Hi Eric, > Your: > I hope you allow some discussion of the soldiers of the War of 1812, as some > ancestors, such as mine, served in both. > > No I'm sorry, this list from creation by John in 1998 has always been just > Hessians of the American Rev War. It must remain that way.. with over 500 > members... who are here for Hessians, it would be unfair to burden thier > mail boxes with unrelated subjects. > > Saying something like John Jacob Bonstein served 0000 to 0000 as a Hessian > and then in the War of 1812 date 0000 - 0000 ... would be ok but to discuss > his service in the 1812 is off topic... > > I am sure there is a War of 1812 mailing list at rootsweb.com and if there > isn't then by all means start one. I might enjoy joining it myself as I have > quite a few 1812 War Vets myself... > > Nelda > List Maintainer...LOL just found new term at the > hessian lists tool page.. > > Pax et bonum! > Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ > http://doodleartgraphics.com > > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > HETRINA - "Hessische Truppen im Amerikanischen Unabhaengigkeitskrieg" > Six Volumes covering Hessen-Kassel, Hessen-Hanau, and Waldeck. > HETRINA does not cover Braunschweig/Brunswick, Ansbach-Bayreuth or Anhalt-Zerbst. Those are partly covered by other publications. > This list was started in 1998 by Johannes (John) Helmut Merz, and you will find his explanations about HETRINA in our mail list archives. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

Hi, Maybe this will show you another example of Gray scale advertisement.. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Subject :Description of the County of Westmoreland 1671 Hi all, Just a quick note to inform you that the above book as been scanned to PDF and is now available. For more details contact me or take a look at http://acorn.rootschat.net Thanks Rob ~~~~~~~~~~~ this to me is very acceptable... quick short to the point no money mentioned... Nelda List Maintainer

Hi Eric, Your: I hope you allow some discussion of the soldiers of the War of 1812, as some ancestors, such as mine, served in both. No I'm sorry, this list from creation by John in 1998 has always been just Hessians of the American Rev War. It must remain that way.. with over 500 members... who are here for Hessians, it would be unfair to burden thier mail boxes with unrelated subjects. Saying something like John Jacob Bonstein served 0000 to 0000 as a Hessian and then in the War of 1812 date 0000 - 0000 ... would be ok but to discuss his service in the 1812 is off topic... I am sure there is a War of 1812 mailing list at rootsweb.com and if there isn't then by all means start one. I might enjoy joining it myself as I have quite a few 1812 War Vets myself... Nelda List Maintainer...LOL just found new term at the hessian lists tool page.. Pax et bonum! Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://doodleartgraphics.com

I hope you allow some discussion of the soldiers of the War of 1812, as some ancestors, such as mine, served in both. Eric ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelda Percival" <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 2:32 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Updated tags for AMREV-HESSIANS > Hi, > I was just talking off list to a list member who asked if we could add the > unsubscribe message to the tag lines a few more places.. So... here are the > changes. > nelda > LM > > AMREV-HESSIANS mailing list on rootsweb.com. > > The taglines for this mailing list have been changed. Here are > the current settings; if they are incorrect, please visit... my > information... > > > Tag 1: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > For Hessian research in Canada contact the Marilyn Adams Genealogical > Research Centre, Ameliasburg, Ontario e-mail 7thtownmagrc@kos.net or check > the mail list archives of this list for address. > You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going > from one message to another. > To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > **************** > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Tag 2: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, > going from one message to another. > To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > **************** > To unsubscribe: send an email to AMREV-HESSIANS-L-request@rootsweb.com > and write one single word unsubscribe in subject line and text field. > No other words or explanations or it won't work. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Tag 3: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > HETRINA - "Hessische Truppen im Amerikanischen Unabhaengigkeitskrieg" > Six Volumes covering Hessen-Kassel, Hessen-Hanau, and Waldeck. > HETRINA does not cover Braunschweig/Brunswick, Ansbach-Bayreuth or > Anhalt-Zerbst. Those are partly covered by other publications. > This list was started in 1998 by Johannes (John) Helmut Merz, and you will > find his explanations about HETRINA in our mail list archives. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Tag 4: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Mail List archives are your best bet to find information,You can search > the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message > to another. > To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Tag 5: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe click on AMREV-HESSIANS-L-request@rootsweb.com > and write one single word unsubscribe in subject line and text field. > No other words or explanations or it won't work. > ~~~~~~~~~~~ > You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going > from one message to another. > To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Tag 6: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 6000 Hessian soldiers remained in North America after the end of the > war in 1783. The majority settled in the Eastern United States and Canada. > You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going > from one message to another. > To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Tag 7: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please stick to our published subject - Hessian Soldiers of the > American Revolution, not WWII or the Civil War. 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----Original Message Follows---- From: "Barry Wetherington" <cbarrfly@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:24:05 -0700 (Reposted): 1810 Federal Census, Shenandoah County, VA, pg. 180. Frederick Detious (indexed as Detives) 1 free white male < 10 (1800-1810) John Tishler 1 free white male 10-16 (1794-1800) Abraham 1 free white male 45+ (bef 1765) Frederick 3 free white females < 10 (1800-1810) Barbara, Molly, Suzanne 2 free white females 10-16 (1794-1800) Anna, Margaret, Polly 1 free white female 16-26 (1784-1794) Elizabeth 1 free white female 45+ (bef 1765) Magdalena 1818, July 3, VA. Land grant by Gov. James P. Preston for the Commonwealth of Virginia. 1820 Federal Census, Shenandoah County, VA Pg 159 Frederick Deuous in Isabella Furnace ((((I don't know where the following information came from: I haven't looked up this reference yet)))) 1 free white male < 10 years (1810-1820) Daniel?, Cornelius? 1 free white male 10-16 years (1804-1810) John Tishler 1 free white male impounded 1 free white female < 10 (1810-1820) Molly?, Suzanne? 2 free white females 10-16 (1804-1810) Anna, Margaret 1 free white female 16-26 (1794-1804) Polly 1 negro slave (I'm including this confusing stuff below as clues for later serious researchers). Marriage http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:a18009&id=I02088">Magdalena HIESTAND</A> b: 9 JUN 1768 Married: 30 MAY 1788 in Shenandoah Valley, Page Co, VA <A HREF=" http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/#s2">2</A> <A HREF=" http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/#s3">3</A>Children <IMG SRC=" http://img.rootsweb.com/wc/child_is.gif" HREF= http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:a18009&id=I02775 Abraham DECIUS</A> b: BET. 1784 - 1789 in Page Co, VA <IMG SRC=" http://img.rootsweb.com/wc/child_blank.gif " WIDTH="12" HEIGHT="14" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="826"> <A HREF=" http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:a18009&id=I02090 ">Elizabeth DECIOUS</A> b: ABT. 1792 <IMG SRC=" http://img.rootsweb.com/wc/child_is.gif " WIDTH="12" HEIGHT="14" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="131"> <A HREF=" http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:a18009&id=I02092 ">Anna DECIOUS b: ABT. 1794 http://img.rootsweb.com/wc/child_blank.gifhttp://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:a18009&id=I02021">Margaret DECIOUS</A> b: ABT. 1796 http://img.rootsweb.com/wc/child_blank.gifhttp://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:a18009&id=I02095 ">Polly DECIOUS b: ABT. 1798 http://img.rootsweb.com/wc/child_blank.gif" http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:a18009&id=I02097">Barbara DECIOUS b: ABT. 1800>> <IMG SRC=" http://img.rootsweb.com/wc/child_blank.gif http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:a18009&id=I02098 ">Molly>> DECIOUS</A> b: ABT. 1802>> <IMG SRC=" http://img.rootsweb.com/wc/child_blank.gif " WIDTH="12"HEIGHT="14" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="826"> <AHREF=" http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:a18009&id=I02781 ">Suzanne DECIOUS</A> b: ABT. 1804>> <IMG SRC=" http://img.rootsweb.com/wc/child_is.gif " WIDTH="12"HEIGHT="14" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="131"> <AHREF=" http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:a18009&id=I01663 ">John Tischler DECIOUS</A> b: 1810 in Luray, Page Co, VA>> <IMG SRC=" http://img.rootsweb.com/wc/child_is.gifhttp://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:a18009&id=I02020 ">Daniel>> DECIUS</A> b: 1812 in VA>> <IMG SRC=" http://img.rootsweb.com/wc/child_is.gif " WIDTH="12"HEIGHT="14" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="131"> <AHREF=" http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:a18009&id=I02783 ">Cornelius DECIOUS</A> b: 1813 in Luray, Page Co, VA>> Marriage 2 <AHREF=" http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:a18009&id=I02152 ">Sarah HUNT</A>>> Married: AFT. 1818>> Sources:>> Title: Clarence>> Author: Clarence William Decius>> Publication: Typed and compiled by the author>> Note: Actual title is Recorded American History of the Tisius, Dicius,Decius, Dcious, DeCius Famiy 1780-1983. Until I finish putting in the source references, I leave it as Clarence.>> Repository:>> Note: Parts in possession of Ann Winder>> Call Number:>> Media: Manuscript>> Title: Shenandoah County Virginia Marriage Bonds 1772-1850>> Author: Bernice M. Ashby>> Publication: Virginia Book Co, Berryville VA, 1967>> Note: Pages copied by Cornelius Decious>> Repository:>> Call Number:>> Media: Book>> Page: Pg. 19>> Text: Tissius Frederick --- Hestant, Madaline. May 30, 1788. Bondsman:Martin>> Tinter.>> Title: Hiestand Family of Page County, Virginia>> Author: David B. Trimble>> Publication: Copyright 1974, San Antonio, TX>> Note: David B. Trimble, 607 River Rd., San Antonio, TX 78212. Pertinentpages>> of this manuscript were copied by Clarence Decious.>> Repository:>> Call Number:>> Media: Manuscript>> Page: Pg. 2 ============================================== forwarded by nelda LM

----Original Message Follows---- From: "Barry Wetherington" <cbarrfly@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:24:05 -0700 (Reposted): Frederick "Titius (Tecius) - Reading, March 15, 1780;" a von Heer Dragoon - [SURNAME variations: TISIUS TITIUS TECIUS TISSIUS DECIOUS DeCius/DECIUS DETIOUS DICIUS DCIOUS DEUOUS Detives ("Indexed as" Detives) - Author: Clarence William Decius & " 'Recorded American History of the Tisius, Dicius, Decius, Dcious, DeCius Family 1780-1983' " Hello Hessians, This is perhaps the most puzzling surname I have ever encountered. In other circumstances, we can usually count on some consistency in spelling, at least a common starting letter, but . . . as you can see, anything but that for our intrepid von Heer Dragoons Hessian trooper Frederick. (It is said that only Hessians could be a member of this special dragoons troop, probably because Congress authorized additional and trustworthy protection for Gen'l Washington, possibly in light of the attempted assasination of the Gen'l by a member of the original anglo-saxon heritage CinC guards). Below are addl sometimes chaotic refs to a number of supposed alternative spellings & sources for this heritage. In looking for a RootsWeb mailing list to which to post this msg, I could determine no specific such. I may have to initiate such a List, hoping some descendant would eventually surface to pursue heritage for Frederick. (As just an idle thought, are any of the other von Heers Dragoons also not so represented?). Thanks to Jane Curci for a big boost (& I see Jane has posted again; more good info to process!). "Titius (Tecius), Frederick---Reading, March 15, 1780." Birth: 1760 Hanover Germany; Death: SEP 1826 Luray Page Co VA http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/textindices/H/HEER+2003+39481705+F (Copy of Roster) ===================== !n a quick search for Bill Olsen's needle in a CARREL hay stack, I came across a soldier with a name I don't recall discussion about; Frederick DECIUS; "served as a physician and surgeon in the Hessian Army". Apparently settled in 'Luray Valley', VA. Regards, Ron Ferry ===================== Barry Wetherington Addl Gen refs/ resources: SURNAMES: TISIUS; Decious family; Decius; Detious; . . . . (Note: Actual title is): 'Recorded American History of the Tisius, Dicius, Decius, Dcious, DeCius Family 1780-1983' http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:a18009&id=I02018 ID: I02018 Name: Frederic TISIUS http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/#s Sex: M Birth: 1760 in Hanover, Germany Death: SEP 1826 in Luray, Page Co, VA Event: Life Event 15 MAR 1780 Recruited into Von Heer Provost Guard Note: Information for the Decious family was collected by Clarence William Decius of the "Cornelius Decious Branch". He states: "All of Fredericks sons left Virginia and went into Fairfield County Ohio, some went north into Ill and two came West, John Decious made it to Janesville Calif, he lies at rest in Susanville Calif...." 1780, March 15, Reading, PA. Enlisted in the Bartholomew Von Heer Provost Guard. Via Clarence Decius: Montgomery's "History of Berks Co. Pa. in the Revolution from 1774 to 1783", published 1894 and in the printed copy of PA. Archives 59, Vol III, pgs 919, 920, 925, 927. See Roster von Heer Corps in Archives: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/h/heer.html According to M.A. Schwalm, of the Johannes Schwalm Historical Association: "...The von Heer Dragoon Guard--was a very elite horse company set up at the request of Washington and approved by Congress. Traditionally it is the beginning of the Military Police in the American Military Establishment... It now appears that von Heer's Dragoons may have indeed served as Washington's Bodyguard toward the end of the War." 1788, May 30, Shenandoah Valley, VA. Posted bond for marriage see part 2 in next message forwarded by nelda LM

Hi, I was just talking off list to a list member who asked if we could add the unsubscribe message to the tag lines a few more places.. So... here are the changes. nelda LM AMREV-HESSIANS mailing list on rootsweb.com. The taglines for this mailing list have been changed. Here are the current settings; if they are incorrect, please visit... my information... Tag 1: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ For Hessian research in Canada contact the Marilyn Adams Genealogical Research Centre, Ameliasburg, Ontario e-mail 7thtownmagrc@kos.net or check the mail list archives of this list for address. You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L **************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tag 2: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L **************** To unsubscribe: send an email to AMREV-HESSIANS-L-request@rootsweb.com and write one single word unsubscribe in subject line and text field. No other words or explanations or it won't work. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tag 3: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ HETRINA - "Hessische Truppen im Amerikanischen Unabhaengigkeitskrieg" Six Volumes covering Hessen-Kassel, Hessen-Hanau, and Waldeck. HETRINA does not cover Braunschweig/Brunswick, Ansbach-Bayreuth or Anhalt-Zerbst. Those are partly covered by other publications. This list was started in 1998 by Johannes (John) Helmut Merz, and you will find his explanations about HETRINA in our mail list archives. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tag 4: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mail List archives are your best bet to find information,You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. 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HI, You all probably pretty much know what a mailing is is and what its for, but each List administrator has their own way of approaching management. I would like at this time to share mine with you. In 1999 when I first started (created) some of the list I still manage I wrote an email to a person asking questions about mailing lists.. Here is what I answered and still use to this day... Hi, What you are subscribed to is a mailing list. A mailing list is a group of people researching the same surname/ subject / or area of land, as the list's name. The email you send to the list goes out individually to each member of the list (including a copy back to you) from the server. We should email to the list address with who we are, whom / what we are trying to find and or what we would like to share with others. If like myself you have lots to offer then you state what you have and are willing to share. If you read an email that you can help with, then answer that email. Directly if you want to, but I ask that it be sent to the list so that all may share the information. (a copy is also stored in the archives.) If you find a website or anything that may help another member then send part of the info and the URL to the mailing list. When answering by reply to an email keep that subject in the subject line, but delete most of the first message so that it doesn't take up so much room. This keeps the messages together in the archives and uses less memory space. Change subject line when the body of the subject changes. Use subject lines accurately, in other words not just Help/need info but, a precise name and dates and place if you have it. A descriptive subject is much more likely to get a response as old timers sometimes won’t read all emails and go by subject lines only. As long as the conversations between members of the list are about genealogy type things then by all means keep it on the list. But, if it is a private message, jokes..ect. then send it to the members private email address, not the list. List subjects should be kept on tract. When someone helps you, either privately or on the list let them know how much that help meant to you. Some times you can even let everybody know how helpful this person is by letting the list know. All of us need to be appreciated publicly once in a while. If you are offended by what someone has to say then still be courteous about your answer. Do not Flame anyone.. (Flaming will get you removed from the list for one week, repeated offense will be perminate removal) If you have a problem then bring it to the list's admin privately, for that is one of the jobs an administrator is supposed to do, be a moderator. The Administrator has the finale word about anything, except rootsweb.com policy which none will violate including the administrator. Even though we do not personally know each other, we are members of the same family, even if there is no connection by surname. For we are members of the family of genealogist, and it is by helping each other that we will keep our free study of our many varied histories. Also one other thing, before you send an email of someone else’s to another party (person) have their permission. Rootsweb.com wants all of us to obey the copyright laws.. Direct advertisement of items for sale, must first be approved by rootsweb.com staff and your list administrator first. Grayscale, as we on the list adminrstors list call it will be allowed on this list... What is gray scale advertisement: example: in your email state something to the effect... I have volume 4 of the Heternia set that I no longer need.(you might give a defination of what the book is about) Please contact me off list.... another example: Hertage Plaques for the list are still available. If interested Please contact me off list. another example: While serfing the net I found a website where books (list name can be obtained) contact me off list... Grayscale is allowed by some list administrators and not by others, I believe that letting someone know there are books out there to help in research, is what we are about, but also that the rules must be followed. I hope this explains what a mailing list is, what it is for and how to use it. Nelda END OF MY 1999 message I hope that explains what/how I will be administrating this list Nelda List Administrator

My name is William (Bill) Pooler. My Hessian ancestor was Johann Georg Schimmel of the 3rd English-Waldeck Regiment.