I am seeking evidence that supports the story - carried down through generations of my mother's family - that placed her ancestor KEMPER with the Hussein troops captured at the Battle of Trenton, held at Valley Forge and released into the United States (Pennsylvania) with title to a parcel of land, seed and a small amount of cash. There is an interesting continuation of the story. KEMPER (perhaps his son or grandson) married a Lenne Lanape Native American. Furthermore, one of my children's ancestors on their mother's side of their family was a bodyguard to George Washington. His story appears in local Pennsylvania history books. If the KEMPER story is true, my children's great+ grandfathers were pitted against each other on the battlefield at Trenton. Well, have you any search suggestions for a genealogy novice? Thanks.

Hi Cindy, No need to say "No disrespect to Nelda." I wouldn't and didn't take it that way... Differences of opinions is what makes the world go round... Putting out feelers for opinions will help me see what it is the list wants to do or where the list should go from here.. Its your list...You want changes then tell me.. on or off list.. You need to express what you think, with out it...then the majority just sweeps over you. thank you for the comment... Nelda Pax et bonum! Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://doodleartgraphics.com

I'll drink to that! ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelda Percival <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> Date: Thursday, March 3, 2005 7:01 pm Subject: [HESSIAN] Whiskey Rebellion, 1791-1794 > Hi, > This is not on Topic for this list... > end of subject > Nelda > > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > Please stick to our published subject - Hessian Soldiers of the > American Revolution, not WWII or the Civil War. No other Immigrants. > You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, > going from one message to another. > To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

List, for the sake of historical significance. Without meaning to be contentious or further debate, many consider(ed) the Whiskey Rebellion, 1791-1794, to be 'the 2nd war of independence'. Hessian soldier deserters, fresh in that area of southwest Pennsylvania, were suddenly confronted with the Whiskey Rebellion's violence, social and political impacts and it's ramifications upon freedom in their new country. Regards, Ron Ferry <snipped> > ...Although he is proven to haved served in the second > War of Independence, 1812-1813, > > Regards, > Eric Olson > Carroll-DNA List Administrator

Hi Nelda and Hessian lists, I never would have given a thought to DNA possibilities until it was mentioned in the past few days. I spent 30 years as a librarian much of it on reference, along with managing local history and genealogy. Now retired, I made a new non-monetary job for myself.....doing something with all the genealogy stuff I had accumulated since I was 14! My mind still works like a reference librarian i.e. that is thinking of all kinds of possibilities and alternatives to locating information. If I would not be involved with brother Hessians it would not have sparked as much interest. If George Westfall is on this list, maybe he would like to think about this idea also. He still carries the surname while I do not. Gottlieb Westfall's daughter Mary Elizabeth Westfall married John Henry Light. Yes, my maiden name is spelled differently. That was my grandfather's doing. Most likely it would have been Leight, as he knew there was a slight change in the spelling. If there are any new people on the list, my family was in Berks, Cumberland, Perry, Dauphin. Schuylkill Coounties, PA. Pat Brandon may also want to think about it. As far as I know we are the only ones interested in Gottlieb Westfall/Westphal and his brother Heinrich, along with John, of course. There must be others who are descendants, but maybe they do not have an interest in their family history. At least we do have a little more on the subject in the archives. I do not want to load up the email on this topic, just felt that we should take another look and be more aware of new possibilities. I guess it is time to post to Westfall gen forum again and see what I can stir up. Thanks, Nelda, also to Eric, Peggy [Lyte] Tyrrell At 02:16 PM 3/3/05 -0800, Nelda Percival wrote: >Good Point Peggy... >So, Maybe some of the other members can weight-in with how DNA may help >their research? >Nelda > > > >Pax et bonum! >Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ >http://doodleartgraphics.com > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Eric Olson" <ericbear@pcweb.net> >Reply-To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com >To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Westfall surname >Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:32:25 -0800 > >Peggy, > >The Westfall uncertainty is exactly the type of family connection problem >that Y-DNA can help solve. I checked, and at the moment there is no >Westfall family surname project underway, nor a Hession project. You may >want to start one, or both. The URL below will take you to the information >you need to do so. > >http://www.familytreedna.com/surname.asp > >Best Wishes, >Eric Olson >ericbear@pcweb.net > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "peggyt" <peggyt@early.com> >To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 9:58 AM >Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Please end topic on DNA > > > > > > Generally speaking, the DNA may not be a viable topic for the Hessian >list. > > However, I am a descendant of Gottlieb Westfall. He had a brother Heinrich > > who also stayed here. Another Westfall researcher is having a problem > > making the connection to Gottlieb Westfall. Other Westfall researchers >seem > > to have tried to pursuade her that she is connected to another Westfall > > family, that of Jurian Westfall. This family is of no connection based on > > my 50 years of research. We have very little on Heinrich Westfall. So >down > > the line a possible Westfall DNA project might be useful for Westfall > > researchers to perhaps learn if they are connected to the Hessian brothers > > or not. So I would not totally disregard the usefulness of this as a > > Hessian topic. Perhaps this is not a line with which you are familiar. >John > > Merz is, as his wife is connected to these 2 Hessians in her line in > > Germany. Of course, John is retired from the list. Pat Brandon of the list > > is trying to make her connection to one of these Hessian brothers as her > > family tradition is that the first Westfall here for her family was a > > Hessian. I am sure you can see the implications for her. > > > > I am not suggesting by any means that DNA become a major topic on the >list. > > It is useful to have it in the archives. What I am suggesting is that it > > might have its rewards some time in the future in regards to the brothers, > > Gottlieb and Heinrich Westfall who were Hessians who remained. > > > > Peggy [Lyte] Tyrrell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 12:08 AM 3/3/05 -0800, Nelda Percival wrote: > > >Hi, > > >Well, the subject has been discussed and as a research tool for Hessians > > >it is not viable... I am not saying its not a viable tool for genealogy > > >research of a particular surname. It is. But that needs to be discussed > > >off list. > > > > > > > > >thank you > > >List Manager in this case! > > > > > >Pax et bonum! > > >Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin > > >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > > >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ > > >http://doodleartgraphics.com > > > > > > > >

I for one can not see how the Y-DNA test will "help" anyone's research other than to prove or disprove research done the old fashioned way. First you need to establish two continous all male links to a common male ancestor, then both men must take a Y-DNA test. If the Y chromozone tests a match, then this says you both did proper old fashion research. Of course, sometimes the data has to be "interpreted" (read "fiddled with") to get a match because of normal genetic mutations. If the test results don't match then there are several possibilities -- the test data is screwed up, someone's research is screwed up, or there was some adultery in one of the branches which broke the all male line.. Needless to say, I am less enthusastic than most about Y-DNA testing. Bob Brooks

In a message dated 3/3/05 5:18:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, nelda_percival@hotmail.com writes: > So, Maybe some of the other members can weight-in with how DNA may help > their research? > If I may, I administer 2 dna projects and it helps very much. For our Hessians an example such as the Westfalls is great! In addition to matching up the disconnected branches in the USA, if Westfalls can be found in Germany who will test, that proves the bloodline if exact matches occur. Male Y-dna changes very slowly and estimated to be one mutation about once every 500 years, so we are in a window of opportunity. Carolyn

Hello, Hear, hear!! As a new member, and new to genealogy as well, it would be wonderful to have such a resource. Jeri ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelda Percival" <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 4:56 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Question?? for you to ponder > Hi, > When I first joined this list in 99, I think it was..(I've been on and off > this list a number of times) > > I tried searching the archives for my Hessians surname. To no avail. I > believe a list of surnames, First names, units, time served > /discharged/deserted, would be a great help to new members. > > I think we need a project and volunteers who have the resource books to do > it. > All a person would need to do is put the name of the book in the subject > line, then enter how ever many names they felt like extracting for the day.. > and send it to the list. each new extraction could have the book name and > part 2 or what ever part number they were on in the subject line, and maybe > an entry at the bottom of the email stating there was more to come or if the > end of the book then that there were no more entries. > > > If interested, just start sending the information as you get time to do > it... no need for any special format or anything... > > What do any of you think? Personally it would have been a great help to > me... > > Nelda > List Manager > > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe click on AMREV-HESSIANS-L-request@rootsweb.com > and write one single word unsubscribe in subject line and text field. > No other words or explanations or it won't work. > ~~~~~~~~~~~ > You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. > To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >

Thank you Ron. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Ferry" <brothers3.rf@tds.net> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 3:52 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Re: Hessian ...and 1812 > List, > > for the sake of historical significance. Without meaning > to be contentious or further debate, many consider(ed) > the Whiskey Rebellion, 1791-1794, to be 'the 2nd war > of independence'. > Hessian soldier deserters, fresh in that area of southwest > Pennsylvania, were suddenly confronted with the Whiskey > Rebellion's violence, social and political impacts and it's > ramifications upon freedom in their new country. > > Regards, > Ron Ferry > > > > > > > > <snipped> >> ...Although he is proven to haved served in the second >> War of Independence, 1812-1813, >> >> Regards, >> Eric Olson >> Carroll-DNA List Administrator > > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > The Source HETRINA has been discussed more often than anything > else, you find the explanations by checking the key word archive. > You can find it by typing in "26 feb 1999" and look for HETRINA. > Or check the Threaded Archives for February 1999 - Hetrina publication. > You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going > from one message to another. > To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hi, When I first joined this list in 99, I think it was..(I've been on and off this list a number of times) I tried searching the archives for my Hessians surname. To no avail. I believe a list of surnames, First names, units, time served /discharged/deserted, would be a great help to new members. I think we need a project and volunteers who have the resource books to do it. All a person would need to do is put the name of the book in the subject line, then enter how ever many names they felt like extracting for the day.. and send it to the list. each new extraction could have the book name and part 2 or what ever part number they were on in the subject line, and maybe an entry at the bottom of the email stating there was more to come or if the end of the book then that there were no more entries. If interested, just start sending the information as you get time to do it... no need for any special format or anything... What do any of you think? Personally it would have been a great help to me... Nelda List Manager

Well, I used the terminology "2nd War of Independence" to avoid mentioning by name that other war which is declared not to be a proper topic for this list, according to Nelda. Be careful... Eric ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Ferry" <brothers3.rf@tds.net> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 3:52 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Re: Hessian ...and 1812 > List, > > for the sake of historical significance. Without meaning > to be contentious or further debate, many consider(ed) > the Whiskey Rebellion, 1791-1794, to be 'the 2nd war > of independence'. > Hessian soldier deserters, fresh in that area of southwest > Pennsylvania, were suddenly confronted with the Whiskey > Rebellion's violence, social and political impacts and it's > ramifications upon freedom in their new country. > > Regards, > Ron Ferry > > > > > > > > <snipped> > > ...Although he is proven to haved served in the second > > War of Independence, 1812-1813, > > > > Regards, > > Eric Olson > > Carroll-DNA List Administrator > > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > The Source HETRINA has been discussed more often than anything > else, you find the explanations by checking the key word archive. > You can find it by typing in "26 feb 1999" and look for HETRINA. > Or check the Threaded Archives for February 1999 - Hetrina publication. > You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. > To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Hi, This is not on Topic for this list... end of subject Nelda

Hi just a little reminder to remove part of the old message before answering a post...PLEASE! nelda Pax et bonum! Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://doodleartgraphics.com

I guess I agree with the learned Bob Brooks. DNA testing is only as helpful as the pool of samples from suppliers. If those in the bloodline one is researching don't happen to participate there's no help. Searching in the U.S. might be easier (?), but to go back 2, 3, or four hundred years overseas--even if the YDNA were found--would do little to supply names, dates, etc. Localities where the gene pool might occur would perhaps??? be useful. Jeri ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelda Percival" <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 2:16 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] DNA/ Weight -in on subject.. > Good Point Peggy... > So, Maybe some of the other members can weight-in with how DNA may help > their research? > Nelda > > > > Pax et bonum! > Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ > http://doodleartgraphics.com > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Eric Olson" <ericbear@pcweb.net> > Reply-To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com > To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Westfall surname > Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:32:25 -0800 > > Peggy, > > The Westfall uncertainty is exactly the type of family connection problem > that Y-DNA can help solve. I checked, and at the moment there is no > Westfall family surname project underway, nor a Hession project. You may > want to start one, or both. The URL below will take you to the information > you need to do so. > > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname.asp > > Best Wishes, > Eric Olson > ericbear@pcweb.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peggyt" <peggyt@early.com> > To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 9:58 AM > Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Please end topic on DNA > > > > > > Generally speaking, the DNA may not be a viable topic for the Hessian > list. > > However, I am a descendant of Gottlieb Westfall. He had a brother > Heinrich > > who also stayed here. Another Westfall researcher is having a problem > > making the connection to Gottlieb Westfall. Other Westfall researchers > seem > > to have tried to pursuade her that she is connected to another Westfall > > family, that of Jurian Westfall. This family is of no connection based on > > my 50 years of research. We have very little on Heinrich Westfall. So > down > > the line a possible Westfall DNA project might be useful for Westfall > > researchers to perhaps learn if they are connected to the Hessian > brothers > > or not. So I would not totally disregard the usefulness of this as a > > Hessian topic. Perhaps this is not a line with which you are familiar. > John > > Merz is, as his wife is connected to these 2 Hessians in her line in > > Germany. Of course, John is retired from the list. Pat Brandon of the > list > > is trying to make her connection to one of these Hessian brothers as her > > family tradition is that the first Westfall here for her family was a > > Hessian. I am sure you can see the implications for her. > > > > I am not suggesting by any means that DNA become a major topic on the > list. > > It is useful to have it in the archives. What I am suggesting is that it > > might have its rewards some time in the future in regards to the > brothers, > > Gottlieb and Heinrich Westfall who were Hessians who remained. > > > > Peggy [Lyte] Tyrrell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 12:08 AM 3/3/05 -0800, Nelda Percival wrote: > > >Hi, > > >Well, the subject has been discussed and as a research tool for Hessians > > >it is not viable... I am not saying its not a viable tool for genealogy > > >research of a particular surname. It is. But that needs to be discussed > > >off list. > > > > > > > > >thank you > > >List Manager in this case! > > > > > >Pax et bonum! > > >Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin > > >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > > >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ > > >http://doodleartgraphics.com > > > > > > > > > > > >==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > > >Taglines are supposed to give you instructions on how a mail list works. > > >Please read them, and remove them and part of the original message > > >(keeping enough of message for a reminder) before sending out an answer. > > >One last word - Messages should not exceed what you can type on two > letter > > >pages, if you want to say more, make it two messages - Part one and Part > two. > > >`````````````` > > >To unsubscribe: send an email to AMREV-HESSIANS-L-request@rootsweb.com > > >and write one single word unsubscribe in subject line and text field. > > >No other words or explanations or it won't work. > > > > > >============================== > > >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > > >last 12 months. 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Hi List and Bob, Yes I agree that good old fashioned research must be accomplished... but when you lock in old fashioned research with DNA study those brick walls can tumble down. On a different list I am only a member of, BP2000, we do a full name study we have over 400 documented lines of Beattys all spellings. all different, supposedly different because no documentation can be found locking these together, as we add test results to the matching DNA study, for the documented lines we are infact finding matching lines... so lets say john Beatty line 005 has the same DNA as George Beattie line 010, we can refine researching for documentation in the areas that both were in in the same time period. or backwards in the areas these families were known to be in..looking for that piece of documentation that will be the finale bit of proof to join those lines. Of course, as with anything it does not allways work, but it is a viable research tool in my opinion.. Nelda

Good Point Peggy... So, Maybe some of the other members can weight-in with how DNA may help their research? Nelda Pax et bonum! Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://doodleartgraphics.com ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Eric Olson" <ericbear@pcweb.net> Reply-To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Westfall surname Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:32:25 -0800 Peggy, The Westfall uncertainty is exactly the type of family connection problem that Y-DNA can help solve. I checked, and at the moment there is no Westfall family surname project underway, nor a Hession project. You may want to start one, or both. The URL below will take you to the information you need to do so. http://www.familytreedna.com/surname.asp Best Wishes, Eric Olson ericbear@pcweb.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "peggyt" <peggyt@early.com> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Please end topic on DNA > > Generally speaking, the DNA may not be a viable topic for the Hessian list. > However, I am a descendant of Gottlieb Westfall. He had a brother Heinrich > who also stayed here. Another Westfall researcher is having a problem > making the connection to Gottlieb Westfall. Other Westfall researchers seem > to have tried to pursuade her that she is connected to another Westfall > family, that of Jurian Westfall. This family is of no connection based on > my 50 years of research. We have very little on Heinrich Westfall. So down > the line a possible Westfall DNA project might be useful for Westfall > researchers to perhaps learn if they are connected to the Hessian brothers > or not. So I would not totally disregard the usefulness of this as a > Hessian topic. Perhaps this is not a line with which you are familiar. John > Merz is, as his wife is connected to these 2 Hessians in her line in > Germany. Of course, John is retired from the list. Pat Brandon of the list > is trying to make her connection to one of these Hessian brothers as her > family tradition is that the first Westfall here for her family was a > Hessian. I am sure you can see the implications for her. > > I am not suggesting by any means that DNA become a major topic on the list. > It is useful to have it in the archives. What I am suggesting is that it > might have its rewards some time in the future in regards to the brothers, > Gottlieb and Heinrich Westfall who were Hessians who remained. > > Peggy [Lyte] Tyrrell > > > > > > > > At 12:08 AM 3/3/05 -0800, Nelda Percival wrote: > >Hi, > >Well, the subject has been discussed and as a research tool for Hessians > >it is not viable... I am not saying its not a viable tool for genealogy > >research of a particular surname. It is. But that needs to be discussed > >off list. > > > > > >thank you > >List Manager in this case! > > > >Pax et bonum! > >Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin > >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ > >http://doodleartgraphics.com > > > > > > > >==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > >Taglines are supposed to give you instructions on how a mail list works. > >Please read them, and remove them and part of the original message > >(keeping enough of message for a reminder) before sending out an answer. > >One last word - Messages should not exceed what you can type on two letter > >pages, if you want to say more, make it two messages - Part one and Part two. > >`````````````` > >To unsubscribe: send an email to AMREV-HESSIANS-L-request@rootsweb.com > >and write one single word unsubscribe in subject line and text field. > >No other words or explanations or it won't work. > > > >============================== > >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. 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Peggy, The Westfall uncertainty is exactly the type of family connection problem that Y-DNA can help solve. I checked, and at the moment there is no Westfall family surname project underway, nor a Hession project. You may want to start one, or both. The URL below will take you to the information you need to do so. http://www.familytreedna.com/surname.asp Best Wishes, Eric Olson ericbear@pcweb.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "peggyt" <peggyt@early.com> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Please end topic on DNA > > Generally speaking, the DNA may not be a viable topic for the Hessian list. > However, I am a descendant of Gottlieb Westfall. He had a brother Heinrich > who also stayed here. Another Westfall researcher is having a problem > making the connection to Gottlieb Westfall. Other Westfall researchers seem > to have tried to pursuade her that she is connected to another Westfall > family, that of Jurian Westfall. This family is of no connection based on > my 50 years of research. We have very little on Heinrich Westfall. So down > the line a possible Westfall DNA project might be useful for Westfall > researchers to perhaps learn if they are connected to the Hessian brothers > or not. So I would not totally disregard the usefulness of this as a > Hessian topic. Perhaps this is not a line with which you are familiar. John > Merz is, as his wife is connected to these 2 Hessians in her line in > Germany. Of course, John is retired from the list. Pat Brandon of the list > is trying to make her connection to one of these Hessian brothers as her > family tradition is that the first Westfall here for her family was a > Hessian. I am sure you can see the implications for her. > > I am not suggesting by any means that DNA become a major topic on the list. > It is useful to have it in the archives. What I am suggesting is that it > might have its rewards some time in the future in regards to the brothers, > Gottlieb and Heinrich Westfall who were Hessians who remained. > > Peggy [Lyte] Tyrrell > > > > > > > > At 12:08 AM 3/3/05 -0800, Nelda Percival wrote: > >Hi, > >Well, the subject has been discussed and as a research tool for Hessians > >it is not viable... I am not saying its not a viable tool for genealogy > >research of a particular surname. It is. But that needs to be discussed > >off list. > > > > > >thank you > >List Manager in this case! > > > >Pax et bonum! > >Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin > >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ > >http://doodleartgraphics.com > > > > > > > >==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > >Taglines are supposed to give you instructions on how a mail list works. > >Please read them, and remove them and part of the original message > >(keeping enough of message for a reminder) before sending out an answer. > >One last word - Messages should not exceed what you can type on two letter > >pages, if you want to say more, make it two messages - Part one and Part two. > >`````````````` > >To unsubscribe: send an email to AMREV-HESSIANS-L-request@rootsweb.com > >and write one single word unsubscribe in subject line and text field. > >No other words or explanations or it won't work. > > > >============================== > >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > 6000 Hessian soldiers remained in North America after the end of the war in 1783. The majority settled in the Eastern United States and Canada. > You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. > To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >

Generally speaking, the DNA may not be a viable topic for the Hessian list. However, I am a descendant of Gottlieb Westfall. He had a brother Heinrich who also stayed here. Another Westfall researcher is having a problem making the connection to Gottlieb Westfall. Other Westfall researchers seem to have tried to pursuade her that she is connected to another Westfall family, that of Jurian Westfall. This family is of no connection based on my 50 years of research. We have very little on Heinrich Westfall. So down the line a possible Westfall DNA project might be useful for Westfall researchers to perhaps learn if they are connected to the Hessian brothers or not. So I would not totally disregard the usefulness of this as a Hessian topic. Perhaps this is not a line with which you are familiar. John Merz is, as his wife is connected to these 2 Hessians in her line in Germany. Of course, John is retired from the list. Pat Brandon of the list is trying to make her connection to one of these Hessian brothers as her family tradition is that the first Westfall here for her family was a Hessian. I am sure you can see the implications for her. I am not suggesting by any means that DNA become a major topic on the list. It is useful to have it in the archives. What I am suggesting is that it might have its rewards some time in the future in regards to the brothers, Gottlieb and Heinrich Westfall who were Hessians who remained. Peggy [Lyte] Tyrrell At 12:08 AM 3/3/05 -0800, Nelda Percival wrote: >Hi, >Well, the subject has been discussed and as a research tool for Hessians >it is not viable... I am not saying its not a viable tool for genealogy >research of a particular surname. It is. But that needs to be discussed >off list. > > >thank you >List Manager in this case! > >Pax et bonum! >Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ >http://doodleartgraphics.com > > > >==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== >Taglines are supposed to give you instructions on how a mail list works. >Please read them, and remove them and part of the original message >(keeping enough of message for a reminder) before sending out an answer. >One last word - Messages should not exceed what you can type on two letter >pages, if you want to say more, make it two messages - Part one and Part two. >`````````````` >To unsubscribe: send an email to AMREV-HESSIANS-L-request@rootsweb.com >and write one single word unsubscribe in subject line and text field. >No other words or explanations or it won't work. > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Last I heard, the Y-DNA test cost in the range of $175 to $200 per test. Bob Brooks

It might be interesting for male descendants of "Hessians" who have similar surnames, and are suspected of being brothers, or having a common male ancestor, to get their Y-DNA tested. That has been done with surnames a lot, for various family projects. That is about the only use it has for this topic. For families and individuals, though, I highly recommend have having some testing - I've had mtDNA, a DNA "Print" which shows your overall ancestral type, and the Y-DNA test. The Thomas Jefferson/Sally Hemmings DNA project only proved, according to experts, that Jefferson Y-DNA "blood" is present in the male descendants of Hemmings. It did NOT prove that Thomas Jefferson fathered her child - there is not even a sample of Jefferson's DNA because he had no surviving male lines through his wife. The only DNA that is available is from Jefferson's male relatives' descendants. I constantly hear, and read, people say that Jefferson was the father of Hemming's son based on DNA "evidence". At the time of the birth of Hemming's son, Jefferson was in his 60's, had chronic dysentery, and was NOT known, unlike Ben Franklin, to be a "ladies man". There were, at the time of conception, many other male Jefferson’s in the area of Sally Hemmings, including his brother and a number of nephews. This controversy was going on 200 years ago, and still is! ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelda Percival <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2005 11:58 pm Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] German / Hessian blood > Barry, > If it is about Hessians it belongs on the list. But I wish Eric or > George > would explain in Laymans terms but in detail... > Nelda