Hi Stacy, I did not send that Barry did... I just forwarded it, as it bounced to me... Yea it is a nice site Nelda Pax et bonum! Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://doodleartgraphics.com

Susan--there seems to be some "discussion" about German POWs at Ft Frederick to begin with--even though Gen Washington ordered some to be sent there> This is what I have received from the fort's historian: "Jim, The only primary documentation we have for prisoners is British units sent here after the battle of Yorktown. Those units are: 17th Rgt. of Foot 23rd Rgt. of Foot 33rd Rgt. of Foot 71st Rgt. of Foot, 2nd Battalion Light Infantry Battalion North Carolina Volunteers We know that some of the troops from the Convention Army were sent here. However, we do not have a list of the specific units. We also do not have any primary documentation that shows Germans being sent here. If you have something, I'd love to see it. Steve Steve Robertson Historian Fort Frederick State Park 301.842.2155 srobertson@dnr.state.md.us" Jim Swigart -----Original Message----- From: Susan King [mailto:susanking@carolina.rr.com] Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 12:27 PM To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HESSIAN] Ft. Frederick prisoner lists Does anyone know if such list(s) exist? If so, how could I get a lookup for Christopher WAGGONER? Thanks! Susan ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== HETRINA - "Hessische Truppen im Amerikanischen Unabhaengigkeitskrieg" Six Volumes covering Hessen-Kassel, Hessen-Hanau, and Waldeck. HETRINA does not cover Braunschweig/Brunswick, Ansbach-Bayreuth or Anhalt-Zerbst. Those are partly covered by other publications. This list was started in 1998 by Johannes (John) Helmut Merz, and you will find his explanations about HETRINA in our mail list archives. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Does anyone know if such list(s) exist? If so, how could I get a lookup for Christopher WAGGONER? Thanks! Susan

Hi, Barry sent.... a link At http://digitalgallery.nypl.org This is an image (of many avail) of Rev War uniforms of Hessians. Is there someone who can read German to advise what, generally, it reads, if it is useful. I found it by searching for Heer, but it is also locatable as image # Digital ID: 495279 (Das deutsche Heer) This is a product of the newly enabled NY Public Library treasure of images now avail online at: http://digitalgallery.nypl.org Digital ID: 495279 Das deutsche Heer. Alternate Title: Das deutsche Heer; ein Buch des Stolzes, ein Buch der Hoffnung. Mit acht bunten Bildern und achtunddreissig ganzseitigen Federzeichnungen von Dobrich-Steglitz. In: [Collection of book jackets] > 1933. Published Date: [1932] Library Division: Humanities and Social Sciences Library / General Research Division Item/Page/Plate Number: 95-96 Specific Material Type: Prints Subject(s): Book jackets Military personnel Digital ID: 495279 NYPL Call Number: *IIA+ (New York Public Library. Collection of book jackets) Library has: 1926/27-1947 Item 1 of 2 Add to Selections View Verso < Previous | Next > The New York Public Library, Astor, Lenox and Tilden Foundations. All rights reserved.

I appreciate Bob Brooks relevant and informative contributions. The detailed explanations help me understand the age my Michael Lorentz lived in. Thank you, Bob. Bob Abbott

The story of Hessian ancestors being among those captured at Trenton seems to be a common myth in many of our family histories. Mine began at least as early as 1912 and I suspect that is was a simple Hessian=Trenton=my ancestor. After a lot of searching, my ancestor, Matthaeus Konrad Will of B5, the Bayreuth grenadier company, was a member of this company at least as early as 1775 when he is recorded as marrying Eleanora Kunigunda Glaeser at St. Georgen (part of present day Bayreuth) where the grenadier barracks was located. His name also appears on the 1802 list of those who didn't return that Bob Brooks mentions. In our case, the story is a bit more complicated. His wife dies in 1823 in Bayreuth and is identified as the widow left behind by the grenadier Matthaeus Will who was sent to America. In reality, Matthaeus (aka Matthias) apparently became associated with the Sivley family of southern Shenandoah County, VA, "married" their daughter Catherine and had at least f! our children by her, one of whom was my ggggrandfather John Henry (aka Henry) Will who later settled in New Market, VA. Matthias appears in Rockingham County, VA records in the mid 1780s, obtains a 28 acre Land Office Grant near Timberville, VA, and is gone by 1803 when his land is sold. We assume that he died about this time because one oral history mentions that he died at age 50. This makes sense as church book records show him born in 1750. To make a long story short, he left behind a wife and daughter in Germany and started another family in Virginia. Given his regiment, it also makes sense that he was among those captured at Yorktown and marched off to Winchester and Frederick. I'm still trying to find out how he got to Rockingham County. I think that when the Germans were offered the opportunity to buy their way out of captivity or join American regiments in 1782 that Matthias may have chosen either route. I suspect however that he became a member of the Rock! ingham County militia as the assignor of his Land Office grant was bot h a captain of the county militia and justice of the peace. He may have also had a brother or cousin named Christian Will who died in 1782. The family myth is very simple but gives the ancestor the wrong name. It states that "Henry Will" was a Hessian captured at Trenton and joined the American forces and for this he was given a land grant near New Market, VA. The only land grant given to anyone with the surname Will in the Virginia records is Matthias Will who gets his 28 acres about 5 miles from New Market, VA. Curt ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Brooks<mailto:rcbrooks@pivot.net> To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Question?? for you to ponder ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== Taglines are supposed to give you instructions on how a mail list works. Please read them, and remove them and part of the original message (keeping enough of message for a reminder) before sending out an answer. One last word - Messages should not exceed what you can type on two letter pages, if you want to say more, make it two messages - Part one and Part two. `````````````` To unsubscribe: send an email to AMREV-HESSIANS-L-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:AMREV-HESSIANS-L-request@rootsweb.com> and write one single word unsubscribe in subject line and text field. No other words or explanations or it won't work. ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx>

Kay -- <<clip>> This history covers my ancestor > Georg Nikolaus Spaht (Spade). He stayed here and settled in Winchester > Virginia. Our family believes he was captured in Trenton but his group must > not have been at Trenton. I believe he was captured at Yorktown. "der Mousq. Nicolaus Späth, aus Bayreuth" was still on the "wanted list" in 1802 where a 01 Feb 1802 court order was published in the _Bayreuther Zeitung_ giving the named parties until 19 Dec 1802 to appear in court to explain their desertion in America or else the government was confiscating their hereditary property. This identifies the residence and probable birthplace of your ancestor as Bayreuth. "Mousq." is Mousquetier or Musketeer; i.e., an infantry Private. The Ansbach-Bayreuth muster rolls in T 38/812 at The National Archives (formerly the Public Record Office), Kew near London, do not give place of residence so you get a lucky hit here. Städtler has the following to say about you man, citing Döhla journal (Döhla and Späth served in the same company): Spaeth, Nikolaus, Gemeiner. B IV. Dö 12. 2. 83: ,,Ist der Gemeine Sp... wieder von Virginien gekommen and hat sich in der Baracke eingefunden. Er war schon fast ein Jahr weg und vermißt". 6. 3. 83: ,,Nachts ist Gemeiner Sp. wieder echappiert. Er soll verheiratet sein in Virginien and nur deshalb zum Regiment gekommen, um sein Trakament und Bagage abuholen." B IV. is mere the number assigned by Städtler to indicate this company. In my numbering system it is B1 indicates he originally was in the senior infantry company in the junior regiment; i.e., the company originally commanded by Obrist (Colonel) August Valentin von Voit von Salzburg. When von Voit transferred to the Anspbach Regiment in May 1778, command of this company was given to Hauptmann Christian Theodor Sigismund von Molithor who transferred in from the Ansbach Regiment. Molithor later transferred to command the Grenadier company in the Bayreuth Regiment and was replaced by Hoauptmann Georg Hienrich von Quesnoi. "Dö 12. 2. 83" indicates a quote from Döhla journal dated 12 Feb 1783. > I am interested in the mutiny while still in Germany. The journals of Döhla and Pretchel cover this. > Our family believes he > was forced (kidnapped) into the army. After reading about how the rolls > were filled to have enough men to send to America, I am beginning to believe > that may have been the case. While I have encountered suggestions that some men were involuntarily sent to America, in the norm I find that more likely more myth than fact. In the case of Nikolaus Späth, I suspect he voluntarily came to America. First, when he joined he joined Col v. Voit's company which was the senior company from Bayreuth which deployed. Second, the troops received British pay which was higher than the pay for a garrison soldier who remained in Germany. One can almost draw a comparison with the "contractor personnel" presently serving in Iraq -- they went because of the pay. The JSHA has a file on Nikolaus Späth but I have no idea as to its contents. Bob Brooks

Bob, Thank you so much for this information. I know I have read it before on this site but neglected to save it. This history covers my ancestor Georg Nikolaus Spaht (Spade). He stayed here and settled in Winchester Virginia. Our family believes he was captured in Trenton but his group must not have been at Trenton. I believe he was captured at Yorktown. I am interested in the mutiny while still in Germany. Our family believes he was forced (kidnapped) into the army. After reading about how the rolls were filled to have enough men to send to America, I am beginning to believe that may have been the case. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Brooks" <rcbrooks@pivot.net> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Question?? for you to ponder > Cynthia -- > > Phillip Goldeiß was a member of the Ansbach-Bayreuth contingent. He was a > Gemeiner (Private) in the Leibkompanie of the Ansbach Regiment. This > companiy was the senior company in the regiment and would be considered by > the British as the "Colonel's company". The Ansbach Regiment, in German > tradition, would be known by the name of the Commander. The Regiment was > commanded from its arrival in June 1777 by Obrist (Colonel) Friederick > Ludwig Albrecht von Eyb until May 1778 when Obrist August Valentin von > Voit von Salzburg transferred from the Bayreuth Regiment to command. The > Anspach-Bayreuth troops, except for the Jägers, wore dark blue coats with > either red facings (Anspach Regiment) or black facings (Bayreuth > Regiment). At the end of the war they were known as the 1st and 2nd > Battalions of the Ansbach-Bayreuth Regiment. > > The authority on the Ansbach-Bayreuth troops is Erhard Städler, _Die > Ansbach-Bayreuther Truppen im Amerikanischen Unabhängigeitskreig 1777-1783 > (Nürnberg: Kommissionsverlag, 1956) The title translates to: "The > Ansbach-Bayreuth Troops in the American Independence War 1777-1783" > > Interpreting Städler, it looks like Phillip Goldeiß returned to New York > from Prisoner of War status at Frederick MD when the POWs werre released > and was present at the passe en revue covering the reporting period 25 Dec > 1782-24 June 1783 (conducted on 25 June 1783, I think). Goldeiß should > have embarked with the other returned POWS; however, he does not show up > on the disembarkation muster in Sep 1783 in Germany. > > I recomend your first order of business be to read the journal of Conrad > Döhla (_Tagebuch eines Bayreuth Soldaten des Johann Conrad Döhla aus dem > Nordamerikanischen Freiheitskrieg von 1777 bis 1783_) as translated by > Bruce E. Burgoyne, _A Hessian Diary of the American Revolution_ (Norman > OK: University of Oklahoma press, 1990), xxiv, 276 p. Although Döhla was > in the Bayreuth Regiment, the two regiments continuously served together. > They marched from Ansbach, but mutineered enroute to the coast, the > muntiny was quelled and they embarked for America. After a stop at > Portsmouth UK, they arrived at New York, went to Philadelphia, returned to > New York, went to Rhode Island, returned to New York, went south to > Virginia where the surrendered in Oct 1781 as part of Cornwallis's Army, > went to POW camp at Winchester VA, moved to Frederick MD, released from > there and marched back to New York, embarked and returned to Germany and > marched home. > > Check with Heritage Books. The Dölha Journal and the Journal of Johann > Ernst Prechtel, a first sergeant, later a lieutenant, in the Ansbach > Regiment (but not in Phillip Goldeiß's company) are available on a CD > titled: Bruce E. Burgoyne, _Ansbach-Bayreuth Dairies from the > Revolutionary War_. It also includes a couple of diaries by > Ansbach-Bayreuth Jägers. > > Bob Brooks > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > HETRINA - "Hessische Truppen im Amerikanischen Unabhaengigkeitskrieg" > Six Volumes covering Hessen-Kassel, Hessen-Hanau, and Waldeck. > HETRINA does not cover Braunschweig/Brunswick, Ansbach-Bayreuth or > Anhalt-Zerbst. Those are partly covered by other publications. > This list was started in 1998 by Johannes (John) Helmut Merz, and you will > find his explanations about HETRINA in our mail list archives. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.0 - Release Date: 3/2/2005 >

Bob, All I can say is WOW! You have certainly provided me with alot of information. Thank you! Cynthia

Cynthia -- Phillip Goldeiß was a member of the Ansbach-Bayreuth contingent. He was a Gemeiner (Private) in the Leibkompanie of the Ansbach Regiment. This companiy was the senior company in the regiment and would be considered by the British as the "Colonel's company". The Ansbach Regiment, in German tradition, would be known by the name of the Commander. The Regiment was commanded from its arrival in June 1777 by Obrist (Colonel) Friederick Ludwig Albrecht von Eyb until May 1778 when Obrist August Valentin von Voit von Salzburg transferred from the Bayreuth Regiment to command. The Anspach-Bayreuth troops, except for the Jägers, wore dark blue coats with either red facings (Anspach Regiment) or black facings (Bayreuth Regiment). At the end of the war they were known as the 1st and 2nd Battalions of the Ansbach-Bayreuth Regiment. The authority on the Ansbach-Bayreuth troops is Erhard Städler, _Die Ansbach-Bayreuther Truppen im Amerikanischen Unabhängigeitskreig 1777-1783 (Nürnberg: Kommissionsverlag, 1956) The title translates to: "The Ansbach-Bayreuth Troops in the American Independence War 1777-1783" Interpreting Städler, it looks like Phillip Goldeiß returned to New York from Prisoner of War status at Frederick MD when the POWs werre released and was present at the passe en revue covering the reporting period 25 Dec 1782-24 June 1783 (conducted on 25 June 1783, I think). Goldeiß should have embarked with the other returned POWS; however, he does not show up on the disembarkation muster in Sep 1783 in Germany. I recomend your first order of business be to read the journal of Conrad Döhla (_Tagebuch eines Bayreuth Soldaten des Johann Conrad Döhla aus dem Nordamerikanischen Freiheitskrieg von 1777 bis 1783_) as translated by Bruce E. Burgoyne, _A Hessian Diary of the American Revolution_ (Norman OK: University of Oklahoma press, 1990), xxiv, 276 p. Although Döhla was in the Bayreuth Regiment, the two regiments continuously served together. They marched from Ansbach, but mutineered enroute to the coast, the muntiny was quelled and they embarked for America. After a stop at Portsmouth UK, they arrived at New York, went to Philadelphia, returned to New York, went to Rhode Island, returned to New York, went south to Virginia where the surrendered in Oct 1781 as part of Cornwallis's Army, went to POW camp at Winchester VA, moved to Frederick MD, released from there and marched back to New York, embarked and returned to Germany and marched home. Check with Heritage Books. The Dölha Journal and the Journal of Johann Ernst Prechtel, a first sergeant, later a lieutenant, in the Ansbach Regiment (but not in Phillip Goldeiß's company) are available on a CD titled: Bruce E. Burgoyne, _Ansbach-Bayreuth Dairies from the Revolutionary War_. It also includes a couple of diaries by Ansbach-Bayreuth Jägers. Bob Brooks

Nelda asked that we thank those who have helped us, so here goes. John Casper Shana Wolf was married in Leominster, Mass and is buried in Rockingham, Vermont; and family tradition had him coming probably from the Battle of Saratoga, and hiding out with his employer, when the troops were marched south, before marrying. Trouble was, there was no one with that name registered as being with the Burgoyne campaign. With the help of John Merz, Eric Schnitzer, Michael Kassler, Robert Webler, Don Lohdahl-Smidt, Bob Brooks, Thomas Blumenstein, Dee Dee Rypka, Gail Krause and Jean Sanders, and their writings in the archives and elsewhere, we were pointed first to Johann Kaspar Schoenewolff, from Retterode, Hesse-Cassel, listed in Hetrina as deserting in June 1781. The only problem was that he was married in Mass. in January, 1781, and the names of his parents in German church records did not match the family tradition. You then suggested that he may have been on the transport ship "Favourite", captured at sea in summer of 1777 but listed as deserting later, and then possibly farmed out from the Rutland, Mass. prison camp, which was just down the road from Leominster. But we still had the family name problem. The family tradition listed his father as Casper Wolfe and his mother as Catherine Young. It turns out that Johann's father died when he was 5 and his mother when he was 9. He had no siblings he could go to, so it appears that he probably lived for a while with his godfather, Johann Caspar Catrey.I learned today that his godfather's wife was Maria Catharina Catrey (birth name unknown). Casper and Catherine?? They died when he was 10 and 13, and he went to live with their son in Hausen. We may never know for sure, but it looks good so far, and I intend to keep after it. So thank you all for all your kind suggestions on this subject over several years. The archives are fascinating, and if we all keep plugging, and volunteering information, we may tie up some more loose ends for others in the years ahead. Jack Wolfe

On 8 Nov 2003, Beverly Blum posted information on David Lorenz Speelman, b. Sep 1754 Helmarshausen, Landgrafschaft, Hessen Kassel, Germany. He married Elizabeth Creighbaum in Fredrick County. Has any determined whether or not Elizabeth's father was also a Hessian? Karen

I'm afraid that I can't help too much on the Hertzberger line, but I'm more interested in the Lion G. Miles list of prisoners held at Frederick. I've not heard of this one before (maybe my oversight). I'm assuming that this is Frederick, MD and not Fort Frederick or the Frederick camp in Winchhester, VA. If anyone has easy access to it, I'm trying to find out if Matthias Will and his possible brother Christian Will were there. Matthias later settled in Rockingham County, VA near New Market and Christian died in 1782, possibly at Frederick. With Horst Lochner's help I have since traced Matthias Will (correct name: Matthaeus Konrad Will) to Bayreuth in Oberfranken. Curt ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen McKellar<mailto:kadica@tds.net> To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Time Line/Hertzberger/Haaibauer/Holzberger/Fazenbaker ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== Please stick to our published subject - Hessian Soldiers of the American Revolution, not WWII or the Civil War. No other Immigrants. You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS<http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS> To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L<http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L> ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx>

Goal: To determine if Nicholas Hertzberger, Nicholas Haaibauer or Nicholas Holzberger were with George Fazenbaker (Vesenbecker) during their service. Fazenbaker has been discussed several times on this list. Hertzberger, Nicholas served with Kassel Regt.v.Donop des. June 1781, From Frankenthal Haaibauer, Nikolas from Schwenried (regiment unknown) Hohlbein, Nikolas from Gundersleben (regiment unknown) None of the above are listed in Lion G. Miles list of Prisoners of War in Frederick County, Maryland. Known: Nicholas Holsbury (Americanized) settled on George's Creek (Allegany County, MD) prior to 1787. His wife may have been a daughter of Godfrey Corbus who also settled on George's Creek prior to 1787. George Fazenbaker's wife is presumed to also be a daughter of Godfrey Corbus (unproven). No other records have been found for Godfrey Corbus (Godfried Korbus) than his land warrant at George's Creek. One of his sons was a known loyalist. No earlier record has been found for Holsbury. He was born ca 1753. Birthplace differs by source, Switzerland, PA, Germany. Only other family using Holsbury or deriviative is that of Henry Holsbury (Holsbery) in Barnstable County, Massachusettes. Many of the early settlers of George's Creek came from Loudoun County, Virigina. Records there have been searched for Holsbury and were negative. Does anyone have the regiment numbers for above? Also is there a list showing the locality of the regiments during the various battles? Karen

I think this is a great idea and would volunteer if I had the resources that are needed. I am new to the "list" and new to the Hessian website. I am still trying to figure out what questions to ask and resources to order. Cynthia Ancestor: Johanne Phillip Goldeiss (Goldizen, Culdice, Cultice) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelda Percival" <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 5:56 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Question?? for you to ponder > Hi, > When I first joined this list in 99, I think it was..(I've been on and off > this list a number of times) > > I tried searching the archives for my Hessians surname. To no avail. I > believe a list of surnames, First names, units, time served > /discharged/deserted, would be a great help to new members. > > I think we need a project and volunteers who have the resource books to do > it. > All a person would need to do is put the name of the book in the subject > line, then enter how ever many names they felt like extracting for the > day.. and send it to the list. each new extraction could have the book > name and part 2 or what ever part number they were on in the subject line, > and maybe an entry at the bottom of the email stating there was more to > come or if the end of the book then that there were no more entries. > > > If interested, just start sending the information as you get time to do > it... no need for any special format or anything... > > What do any of you think? Personally it would have been a great help to > me... > > Nelda > List Manager > >

Cynthia, Thank you... Wish I could help but like you I don't have the books either. If you do ever get any resources keep the list in mind. Nelda your: I think this is a great idea and would volunteer if I had the resources that are needed. I am new to the "list" and new to the Hessian website. I am still trying to figure out what questions to ask and resources to order. Cynthia Ancestor: Johanne Phillip Goldeiss (Goldizen, Culdice, Cultice)

Roger -- >>> I am seeking evidence that supports the story - carried down through generations of my mother's family - that placed her ancestor KEMPER with the Hussein troops captured at the Battle of Trenton, held at Valley Forge and released into the United States (Pennsylvania) with title to a parcel of land, seed and a small amount of cash. <<<clip>>> The three regiments decimated at Trenton were v. Loßberg's, v. Knyphausen's and Rall's. The troops serving in the Regiment v. Loßberg are indexed in HETRINA II and the troops serving in the Regiment v. Knyhausen and Regiment Rall are indexed in HETRINA III. I do not find any surname phonetically similar to KEMPER in those lists. Also taken at Trenton were 50 to 60 members of the Hessian Artillery. I do not have an index to thes troops. There were no POWs interred at Valley Forge. The list of the 712 Trenton POWs held at Lancaster PA and vicinity in 1777-1778, published in _Johannes Schwalm, the Hessian_ (Millville PA: Precision Printers, Inc., for the JSHA, 1976) does not include any surname phonetically similar to KEMPER. The Trenton POWs who did not desert from POW status were exchanged in July and August 1778. Several hundred from the Regiment v. Knyhausen became POWs for a second time when the transport ships taking them to Quebec was disabled by a huricane and were captured by the Americans. Bob Brooks

There is a Roots List called "Books We Own". One of the books I listed was on people who took the Oath right after the war. There are many Hessians listed, as "So and so, former Hessian from ___, now of Philadelphia (or Lancaster Co. or wherever)," often his wife's name, and the date of the Oath. If you go to the site, there are lots of books, and people who are willing to do lookups for you at no cost. The form to use is on the site. Ingrid

Roger, You might be interested in knowing more about the Lenni Lenape Native American Indians (also called Delaware Native American Indians) and where they lived. There are a number of really good books available. Try your local public library. If they do not have anything, ask for them on inter-library-loan. These books should be especially available in PA and NJ libraries. Have you tried the internet? There are descendants of Lenne-Lenape Indians living today in the Lehigh Valley area and northern Bucks Co., PA. Since there were an estimated 1000 Hessian POW's in Reading, Berks Co., PA it is easy for me to see that your Hessian or a descendant had the opportunity to marry a Native American Indian. Reading is considered to be at the western edge of the Lehigh Valley. There is also a Lenni Lenape Museum in Allentown, PA. As far as I know they have not been involved in genealogy, but rather have devoted their time to seasonal rituals. The address is : Lenni Lenape Historical Society Museum of Indian Culture, 2825 Fish Hatchery Road, Allentown, PA 18103 phone 610-797-2121 A series of books known as the Pennsylvania Archives has a listing of those who took the oath to Pennsylvania. My Hessian is on the list for 1882. This is a huge multi-volume set. Off hand I cannot tell you the series and volume. I think some of this information is text on the web. Mention has recently been made of books useful for Hessian research. Those devoted to the Hessians are in the bibliography in John's books. Not everyone is going to be able to visit the library where John's books have gone. Not everyone is near a library that has the Hetrina. And these are not usually available for inter-library-loan. Scattered throughout the archives for the list are replies regarding information in the Hetrina. You have to do a little digging. Perhaps those list members who have considerable knowledge of the Hessians forget that new list members often do not know much about the Hessians, such as "who was where when". Maybe what is needed in the archives is more introductory information to help these new list members get started. Peggy [Lyte] Tyrrell At 08:50 PM 3/3/05 -0500, Roger Kemple wrote: >I am seeking evidence that supports the story - carried down through >generations of my mother's family - that placed her ancestor KEMPER with >the Hussein troops captured at the Battle of Trenton, held at Valley Forge >and released into the United States (Pennsylvania) with title to a parcel >of land, seed and a small amount of cash. There is an interesting >continuation of the story. KEMPER (perhaps his son or grandson) married a >Lenne Lanape Native American. Furthermore, one of my children's ancestors >on their mother's side of their family was a bodyguard to George >Washington. His story appears in local Pennsylvania history books. If >the KEMPER story is true, my children's great+ grandfathers were pitted >against each other on the battlefield at Trenton. Well, have you any >search suggestions for a genealogy novice? Thanks. > > >==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== >The subject of this list - Hessian Soldiers of the American Revolution No >other wars - no other German immigrants. Please stick to the subject. You >can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from >one message to another. >To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS >To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Just a thought, but it seems to me that there are subjects that would normally be considered "off topic" for this list, like those suggested recently - it may be actually helpful to beginners like myself to learn more about their Hessian by checking records regarding such events near the same time period/life span as our Hessian may have lived. I hope this made sense. I appreciate all the historical information from this list. No disrespect to Nelda. Cindy H.