In a message dated 3/15/05 11:58:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, JeanShar40@aol.com writes: page 605 Mr. Downey came out of the Revoultion as a captain, having enlisted in his sixteenth year. He was one of the guard to escort to Frederick Town the Hessian prisoners captured by Washington at Trenton NJ. page 609 John Downey, the grandfather was born Aug 20, 1753 and died 26 September, 1825. He enlisted in the army at the beginning of the Revolution, and served throughout the entire war, coming out with the rank of captain. He was detailed with his company to guard the Hessian prisoners taken at Trenton and sent to Frederick. If he were born in l753 his 16th year would appear to be l760 or 1770. which would seem to be much earlier than the beginning of the revolution although those dates may be compatible? I am quite surprised that a 16 year old could rise to Captain in such a short time as that would seem to be a very high rank for the time. I suspect that was quite uncommon for the time but realize that there were almost no professional soldiers in the American side of the Revolutionary War. He must have been quite talented. Possibly the report of "His Company" did not mean that he was ranking officer in that company, but it seems to imply that. On a biography it could mean that he was just a member of that company and his rank came afterward. I am not sure of the rank of a Company ranking officer. Charles Severs

Uh Oh. Given your info, I reread the Necrology of Frederick Co intro and it does not mean these folks died in Frederick Co MD. As soon as I saw the necrology list, I scimmed the list for individuals & did NOT read the entire introductory text, and only listed them as "Deaths of leading individuals" I apologize for not taking the time to read or type the entire intro. I never saw that he had a tombstone in any of the cemetery lists. I am interested to learn if the date of his death is correct, June 2, 1789 I am sorry for my mixup. Here is the full description: "Necrology of Frederick County [Maryland] since 1749 -" The following is a list of the deaths of leading individuals born or identified with Frederick County since 1749:" The "or identified with" is the clue I missed in skimming and the part I did not type in the full intro to the Necrology list. In another area of the book is the story of a soldier of the Revolution who guarded the Hessian prisoners. page 605 Mr. Downey came out of the Revoultion as a captain, having enlisted in his sixteenth year. He was one of the guard to escort to Frederick Town the Hessian prisoners captured by Washington at Trenton NJ. page 609 John Downey, the grandfather was born Aug 20, 1753 and died 26 September, 1825. He enlisted in the army at the beginning of the Revolution, and served throughout the entire war, coming out with the rank of captain. He was detailed with his company to guard the Hessian prisoners taken at Trenton and sent to Frederick.

Hi Barry , No I haven't used that.. I'm not researching my Bonnsteins as we all ready have all the information on them.. Was that in reference to the email included with the post? If so it wasn't mine I just forwarded it to the list.. Nelda ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Barry Wetherington" <cbarrfly@comcast.net> Nelda, Have you ever used this? http://feefhs.org/igs/igs-hess.html Barry IGS Hesse Searches - Hessian Soldiers in Hesse and America Hesse Civilians in Germany and Hesse Immigrants to North America © copyright 1996-2003 by IGS and John Movius Latest Update: 5 February 2003 IGS Hesse Searches for: a.. Hessian Soldiers b.. Hesse Civilians in Germany c.. Hesse Imigrants to North America ___ Hetrina, Auerbach, Franz, Frohlich. Volumes 1 - 6. Lists published by the Hessian State Archive at Marburg of about 15,000 soldiers in German regiments sent to fight in the American Revolution from 1776-1784. They were mostly recruited from Kassel and Waldeck. Sketches are given of individual units and their activities. Listed are the person's number, surname, given name, birthyear, place of origin, town & state, rank, unit, type of record, date, code to manuscript source. We'll help decipher the abbreviations and codes. Please give us information to differentiate your person from others of the same name. =========================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelda Percival" <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:08 AM Subject: [HESSIAN] RE: {not a subscriber} Hessians >Hi Jim and Sue you need to subscribe to the list to sens messages... >Thanks >MESSAGE FORWARDED TO THE LIST... > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Jim and Sue" <jyoung5380@cox.net> >To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> >Subject: {not a subscriber} Hessians >Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:09:02 -0700 > >I saw the recent issue of "The SAR magazine" and was hoping that I may get >some info on one of my Grandfather who supposedly was a Hessian soldier. >Heinrich Waldeck, I'm told, was from Immenhausen, and was a private in the >Hesse-Cassel von Bose Reg., Co 5. I understand that something is written >about him in the Hetrina, Vol ll. A number of years ago I tried to contact >a source in Germany but never received a reply back. Any information you >may have would be appreciated. > >Jim Young > > > >==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== >6000 Hessian soldiers remained in North America after the end of the war in >1783. The majority settled in the Eastern United States and Canada. >You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going >from one message to another. To search: >http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS >To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Hi Jim and Sue you need to subscribe to the list to sens messages... Thanks MESSAGE FORWARDED TO THE LIST... ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Jim and Sue" <jyoung5380@cox.net> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: {not a subscriber} Hessians Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:09:02 -0700 I saw the recent issue of "The SAR magazine" and was hoping that I may get some info on one of my Grandfather who supposedly was a Hessian soldier. Heinrich Waldeck, I'm told, was from Immenhausen, and was a private in the Hesse-Cassel von Bose Reg., Co 5. I understand that something is written about him in the Hetrina, Vol ll. A number of years ago I tried to contact a source in Germany but never received a reply back. Any information you may have would be appreciated. Jim Young

FORWARDEDTO LIST ----Original Message Follows---- From: PETER SPANG GOODRICH <pgoodrch@providence.edu> To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: {not a subscriber} General von Knyhaupsen death in Germany Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:17:06 -0700 Baron Von Knyphausen, who was 2 and 2 in battles versus George Washington, was hidden in Philadelphia by my great 10th uncle Peter Spang. As a reward the Baron took him back to Germany and set him up with a Baroness in marriage. Our family lost a case in Germany over 18 million dollars in inheritance which was kept by the Cassel, Germany during World War I. I have an article on this from the 1917? Reading Eagle. I will try to dig it out, scan it, and place it on the net. Peace, Peter Spang GOodrich *** At 08:23 AM 3/14/05 -0500, you wrote: > > >> History of Western Maryland by John Thomas Scharf, A.M. printed 1882 >> >> Vol 1 >> Necrology of Frederick Co since 1749: >> >> "List of deaths of leading individuals" >> >> >> >> June 2, 1789 Baron Knyphausen, the Hessian general, who >> served in America during the greater part of the Revolutionary War >> > >Does this really say he died in Maryland? Or were they just reporting his >death in Germany? Perhaps we need to read a little bit before and a little >bit after to see if other deaths that were not local were reported. > >Karen > > > >==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== >Taglines are supposed to give you instructions on how a mail list works. Please read them, and remove them and part of the original message (keeping enough of message for a reminder) before sending out an answer. One last word - Messages should not exceed what you can type on two letter pages, if you want to say more, make it two messages - Part one and Part two. >`````````````` >To unsubscribe: send an email to AMREV-HESSIANS-L-request@rootsweb.com >and write one single word unsubscribe in subject line and text field. >No other words or explanations or it won't work. > >============================== >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >New content added every business day. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > >

> History of Western Maryland by John Thomas Scharf, A.M. printed 1882 > > Vol 1 > Necrology of Frederick Co since 1749: > > "List of deaths of leading individuals" > > > > June 2, 1789 Baron Knyphausen, the Hessian general, who > served in America during the greater part of the Revolutionary War > Does this really say he died in Maryland? Or were they just reporting his death in Germany? Perhaps we need to read a little bit before and a little bit after to see if other deaths that were not local were reported. Karen

Jean -- > June 2, 1789 Baron Knyphausen, the Hessian general, who > served in America during the greater part of the Revolutionary War > Someone know of this fellow? He was there in Md with my Conrad Luther's > brother Christian Luther. Baron Wilhelm von Knyphausen (1716-1800) commanded the second division of Hessen-Cassel troops which arrived in New York in Nov 1776. The Regiment von Knyphausen was part of the first division of Hessen-Cassel troops. Although the titular Chef de Regiment, to the best of my knowledge, the Baron never served with the Regiment. After General Sir William Howe and Hessen-Cassel Lieut General von Heister had both returned to Europe from America, von Knyphausen was the second senior officer in North America, second only to Sir Henry Clinton. Was Baron von Knyphausen ever in Maryland? Probably, but just barely. In 1777 Howe's Army disembarked near Head of the Elk (now Elton, MD) and marched via Brandywine to Philadelphia. There was a bit of shooting at Brandywine and von Knyphausen commanded the division when went via Chadd's Ford. The Regiment von Knyphausen was one of the three Regiments having a major portion of its troops captured at Trenton on 26 Dec 1776. I can not recall that the Regiment von Knyphausen ever served in Maryland. Most of the time they were POWs. Those taken 26 Dec 1776 at Trenton were exchanged in July or August 1778. The two transports laden with members of the regiment were captured in Sept 1779 and most of these ended up in the New Philadelphia Jail and later Lancaster. Baron Wilhelm von Knyphausen died at Cassel on 07 Dec 1800 at age 84 yrs 1 mo 3 days so I can't support the 1789 date given Bob Brooks

Dear List, It has been suggested that the Hainline family descended from a Hessian soldier who served in the Revolution and then stayed after the war. Is anyone researching this surname? The earliest Hainline I find is a John or Jacob Hainline in Rowan County, NC in the 1790 census. Any help will be appreciated. KE

Hi Patrick, Your: Nelda; Help! I have got such a headache! Well, after such a Plea... how could I not help. The problem being I do not have any information on the Hessians other then what My cousin Tanya has gotten on our Bonsteins, and my online searching... But you said you found it at the Johannes Scwhwalm Archives. So, Although, I have never seen the Von Knyphausen Regiment listed in Maryland it is easy to get things confused. So I started at the Johannes Scwhwalm Archives moving fast through the pages I found nothing then I tried the special collection at the F&M college... BINGO! http://library.fandm.edu/archives/jshacoll.html#2 Special Collections Johannes Schwalm Historical Association Collection MS 52 Scope and Content: This collection consists of research materials gathered by the Johannes Schwalm Historical Asssociation an organization dedicated to the history of the Hessian soldiers who became citizens of the new United States after the American Revolution and their German-American descendents. Available to interested researchers are mostly secondary materials such as journals, monographs, family histories, articles, dissertations and manuscripts documenting German-American families, history and culture YOURS is in: Box 27 - Folder 5 Jaeger/Yarger You need to go to that URL and insure that you wrote the college for the information.. Hope that helps Nelda List Manager Pax et bonum! Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://doodleartgraphics.com

That's curious. Everything else I've ever seen about the General indicates that he died in Cassel in 1800. -Robert Sulentic > -----Original Message----- > From: JeanShar40@aol.com [mailto:JeanShar40@aol.com] > Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 6:52 PM > To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HESSIAN] Hessian General > > History of Western Maryland by John Thomas Scharf, A.M. printed 1882 > > Vol 1 > Necrology of Frederick Co since 1749: > > "List of deaths of leading individuals" > > > > June 2, 1789 Baron Knyphausen, the Hessian general, who > served in America during the greater part of the Revolutionary War > > Someone know of this fellow? He was there in Md with my Conrad Luther's > brother Christian Luther. >

In a message dated 3/13/2005 7:10:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, nelda_percival@hotmail.com writes: Yes ... LOL but not personally... Now that is interesting....A German General who lead The Regiment von Knyphausen, from Hesse-Cassel. I woner if he came back to the USA... Or never went home? It was a list of notable deaths in Md, I have been on this list 5 yrs and have never heard this discussed.

Hi Bob, Good information...Thanks Your: The Regiment von Knyphausen was one of the three Regiments having a major portion of its troops captured at Trenton on 26 Dec 1776. I can not recall that the Regiment von Knyphausen ever served in Maryland. Most of the time they were POWs. Those taken 26 Dec 1776 at Trenton were exchanged in July or August 1778. The two transports laden with members of the regiment were captured in Sept 1779 and most of these ended up in the New Philadelphia Jail and later Lancaster. This is where my Bonnsteins, Johann Jacob and Paulus enter the story. The Knyphausen Reg. fought in the battle of Trenton & both Paul and Jacob were captured Dec. 26th 1776. Because of lack of jails, prisoners were assigned to American farmers who were responsible for them. Many were sent to Lancaster, PA. [ Tanya my cousin has a copy of the Composition list of German and Waldeck prisoners of war, Paulus and Jacob are on it.] Paul was assigned to David Miller and Jacob to Richard Henry. The Bonstein men were listed on the Lancaster Exchange list & returned to the Knyphausen Reg. in 1778. "On the 4th of September, 1779, the Regiments von Knyphausen and von Lossberg received orders to make ready to embark with all their baggage, and with such of their sick as could support a journey. Their destination was Quebec, though the men did not know it at the time. The Knyphausen and Lossberg regiments were two of those which had been captured at Trenton. The prisoners taken on that occasion had been exchanged, and the regiments, which had at one time formed part of a combined battalion, were now acting independently again." The two regiments were embarked on the 8th of September on six vessels. Johann Jacob Bonstein was on the Triton. A very GOOD site about the triton and what happened to cause them to be recaptured is at: http://www.americanrevolution.org/hess20.html The Regiment von Knyphausen served in North America: Long Island, NY, 1776 White Plains, NY, 1776 Fort Washington, NY, 1776 Trenton, NJ, 1776 Brandywine, PA, 1777 Germantown, PA, 1777 Garrisoned Philadelphia, PA, 1777-1778 Monmouth, NJ, 1778 Garrisoned New York, NY, 1778-1780 Prince Edward Island & Canada, 1780-1781 Garrisoned New York, 1781-1783 Nelda Pax et bonum! Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://doodleartgraphics.com

History of Western Maryland by John Thomas Scharf, A.M. printed 1882 Vol 1 Necrology of Frederick Co since 1749: "List of deaths of leading individuals" June 2, 1789 Baron Knyphausen, the Hessian general, who served in America during the greater part of the Revolutionary War Someone know of this fellow? He was there in Md with my Conrad Luther's brother Christian Luther. Also some German names in these marriage records.......... Early marriages - official list of marriages for 3 years after the passage of the marriage law in 1777 [I believe this list is from the state of MD & not Frederick Co]: 1778 May 12 Thomas Farroll to Hannah Dalton 1778 July 9 George Gander to Rosanna Dillon 1778 July 23 Thomas Simmons to Mary Adams 1778 Sept 16 Joseph Will Jr to Margaret Row 1779 Feb 1 Michael Ryne to Eleanor Smith 1779 Feb 15 James Polson to Rachel Durbin 1779 Sept 11 John W Bourmaster to Mary Eva Dowlan 1779 Nov 16 Christian Luther to Allie Sewell 1779 Dec 3 John Yantsey to Catherine Iseminger 1779 Dec 17 Zachariah Barlow to Eleanor Hickman 1780 Mar 8 Elias Cooperider to Susannah Iseminger 1780 Aug 1 William Dryden to Philopoena Kissinger Jean Sharbaugh

I ran across a webpage that has some files on this Regiment. It is the Johannes Schwalm Historical Archives. I emailed them concerning a soldier named Yarger who's name appeared next to a soldier named Jaeger. My Hessian ancestor was named John Yarger. Good Luck! -----Original Message----- From: Robert Sulentic <rnsulentic@earthlink.net> Sent: Mar 13, 2005 4:17 PM To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [HESSIAN] Hessian General That's curious. Everything else I've ever seen about the General indicates that he died in Cassel in 1800. -Robert Sulentic > -----Original Message----- > From: JeanShar40@aol.com [mailto:JeanShar40@aol.com] > Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 6:52 PM > To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HESSIAN] Hessian General > > History of Western Maryland by John Thomas Scharf, A.M. printed 1882 > > Vol 1 > Necrology of Frederick Co since 1749: > > "List of deaths of leading individuals" > > > > June 2, 1789 Baron Knyphausen, the Hessian general, who > served in America during the greater part of the Revolutionary War > > Someone know of this fellow? He was there in Md with my Conrad Luther's > brother Christian Luther. > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== Mail List archives are your best bet to find information,You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L To unsubscribe from the -D version of the list:AMREV-HESSIANS-D-request@rootsweb.com and write one single word unsubscribe in subject line and text field. No other words or explanations or it won't work. you must unsub from the version you are subscribed to -D for that address and -L for that one, don't get them mixed up...or you won't unsubscribe. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Hi Larry, First.. I am forwarding your message to the List.. The creator of the AMREV-HESSIAN list John Merz has retired but, may likely be reading the post anyway. I hope so because your praise for him is well deserved. second to send a message to the list you need to be suscribed to the list.. to do that send an email to: AMREV-HESSIANS-L-request@rootsweb.com PLEASE put only the word subscribe in the body any message any other words will just confuse the computer and cause a delay in your joining.. If you just want this message to go into the archives for others to read there is no need for you to join...as my forwarding it will send it to the archives. Nelda List Manager ----Original Message Follows---- From: "The Smitts" <larrysmitt@msn.com> To: <amrev-hessians-l@rootsweb.com> Subject: {not a subscriber} Christopher Mantle Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 08:03:48 -0700 I read about your service in my latest copy of "The SAR Magazine". First let me thank you for the tremendous service that you are providing. I am descended from Christopher Mantle (I have seen the last name also spelled Mantel, Montle, and Montel), He was a Hessian Soldier that eventually served in the Continental Troops. I have his service record but it only contains two Slips of paper. The first shows that Christopher Mantle enlisted on 16 Sept 1782 in Olivies (This could be Olivias) Company of Hazen's Regiment, Continental Troops. The second shows that He was discharged on 17 June 1783 at the close of the War. Neither of these documents states where he enlisted or where he was discharged. I have "heard" that he was captured at Yorktown but have also "heard" that he defected. Any information, help, or suggestions for finding information on him would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely Larry Smitt e-mail: larrysmitt@msn.com<mailto:larrysmitt@msn.c0m>

Hi, Your: Someone know of this fellow? He was there in Md with my Conrad Luther's brother Christian Luther. "List of deaths of leading individuals" June 2, 1789 Baron Knyphausen, the Hessian general, who served in America during the greater part of the Revolutionary War Yes ... LOL but not personally... Now that is interesting....A German General who lead The Regiment von Knyphausen, from Hesse-Cassel. I woner if he came back to the USA... Or never went home? Johann Jacob Bonstein. Johann Jacob and his brother Paulus were enlisted in to Company B, of the Regiment von Knyphausen. They both were born in Roperhausen. Name latter became Grossropenhousen and can be found in Germany even today. Agood site to read about the Hessian is: http://www.americanrevolution.org/hessindex.html See my site at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/hstry/bonhist1.htm Nelda Pax et bonum! Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://doodleartgraphics.com

I have never thought much about the British troops, but it seems to me that some of them may have deserted also and settled in the US. Are there resources to begin researching this vein? I realize this is slightly off topic, but I was hoping someone could point me to some resources. Cindy H.

Bob, Thanks for the information. I believe this Johann Georg Beck may be my best bet. My Great Grandfather Levi Beck was born in Chester County,Pa.,but I have not had much luck in finding out who his father was! The story in my family is that he was either the son or grandson of a Hessian soldier who was a deserter;furthermore, the christian names of John and George run in the family. I noticed that Johann Georg was being transported to New York,and this leads me to assume that he could have deserted in the Chester County,Pa.area. Do you know if there is any info in the AMREV-HESSIAN Archives concerning Dohla's journal? If so,then I will lookit up. Thanks again, Best regards, Jim

Thanks for letting us know. Do you know if the personal data files were also available? I plan to make a trip there (about 2 hours). Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: <S9359338@aol.com> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Merz Collection > > In a message dated 3/11/05 12:30:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, > kadica@tds.net > writes: > > I inquired about the availability of the Merz Collection with the > Librarian > at the SAR Library in Louisville. They advised me this morning that the > collection has not been processed and is not available for use by > patrons. > They suggested I contact them later this year. > > > > Some of it was available only two weeks ago in the first room on the left > after entering the library. It had been processed and was on the shelves. > Possibly it arrived in more than one lot and the librarian was referring > to the > final lot or something like that. Also Hetrina and some other items > associated > were in the same area. > Again, we all should be greatful for Mr. Merz' keeping his Collection > intact > as far as the Amercian portion. > Charles Severs Louisville, Ky > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > For Hessian research in Canada contact the Marilyn Adams Genealogical > Research Centre, Ameliasburg, Ontario e-mail 7thtownmagrc@kos.net or check > the mail list archives of this list for address. > You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going > from one message to another. > To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > **************** > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

In a message dated 3/11/05 12:30:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, kadica@tds.net writes: I inquired about the availability of the Merz Collection with the Librarian at the SAR Library in Louisville. They advised me this morning that the collection has not been processed and is not available for use by patrons. They suggested I contact them later this year. Some of it was available only two weeks ago in the first room on the left after entering the library. It had been processed and was on the shelves. Possibly it arrived in more than one lot and the librarian was referring to the final lot or something like that. Also Hetrina and some other items associated were in the same area. Again, we all should be greatful for Mr. Merz' keeping his Collection intact as far as the Amercian portion. Charles Severs Louisville, Ky