Don: I recommend you contact the Archive in Kassel, Hesse with your information and request that they look for the birth record of your Hessian. Have you found him listed in HETRINA? The HETRINA reference would probably include the birth city/town. I recently obtained birth record, marriage record for parents, and baptism records for four younger siblings for my Hessian with photocopies of the church records and identification of parents and grandfathers...for the cost of 67 euros = US$94. The archive web page is: http://www.ekkw.de/archiv/ John M. Rhodes -----Original Message----- From: Dfehlings@aol.com To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:14:41 EST Subject: [HESSIAN] Conrad Kremer My ancestor, Conrad Kremer, is cited in two Virginia local histories as a "Hessian deserter from British service." He was born about May 1778 in Hesse-Kassel and may have served in Grenadier Regiment von Rall and captured at Trenton. His true surname may have been a variant of Kremer, perhaps Krammell, or Kram. He was literate, probably Lutheran (he had a Lutheran bible printed in Hesse), probably an experienced regular soldier -- possibly a noncommissioned officer. He died at Winchester, Frederick County, Virginia on 29 May 1837. While a prisoner of war he enlisted in the American Army in May 1777, at Valley Forge, as a Private in the Company of Artillery commanded by Capt. Bartholomew von Heer (Col. Procter's 4th Artillery Regiment). He reenlisted in July 1778 in Captain von Heer's newly organized Company of "Marechausee Corps" and became Quartermaster Sergeant. There may have been other former Hessian soldiers in the Marechausee Corps. Conrad was discharged from the Marechausee Corps in July 1780 at Reading, PA. This is part of a lengthy history of Conrad Kremer who became the first police chief of the City of Winchester, Virginia; a Blue Dyer; and the licensed proprietor of a hotel and tavern on Court House Avenue. He was a property owner, a bondsman, a naturalized American citizen on 18 March 1818, married the eldest daughter (Catharine) of Major Peter Helfenstein who was a local Rev. War hero. Conrad was awarded federal bounty land in Ohio for his Rev. War service, also a Rev. War veteran's pension. He was an officer of the Masonic Lodge. He and Catharine had six children between 1784 and 1797. I have no reliable information on the parents of Conrad, his place or exact date of birth, or any information on his family in Hesse. Any information would be appreciated. Don Fehlings 17227 SE 187th Street Renton, Washington 98058-9545 Tel: 425/255-8588 Dfehlings@aol.com ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== The Source HETRINA has been discussed more often than anything else, you find the explanations by checking the key word archive. You can find it by typing in "26 feb 1999" and look for HETRINA. Or check the Threaded Archives for February 1999 - Hetrina publication. You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

My ancestor, Conrad Kremer, is cited in two Virginia local histories as a "Hessian deserter from British service." He was born about May 1778 in Hesse-Kassel and may have served in Grenadier Regiment von Rall and captured at Trenton. His true surname may have been a variant of Kremer, perhaps Krammell, or Kram. He was literate, probably Lutheran (he had a Lutheran bible printed in Hesse), probably an experienced regular soldier -- possibly a noncommissioned officer. He died at Winchester, Frederick County, Virginia on 29 May 1837. While a prisoner of war he enlisted in the American Army in May 1777, at Valley Forge, as a Private in the Company of Artillery commanded by Capt. Bartholomew von Heer (Col. Procter's 4th Artillery Regiment). He reenlisted in July 1778 in Captain von Heer's newly organized Company of "Marechausee Corps" and became Quartermaster Sergeant. There may have been other former Hessian soldiers in the Marechausee Corps. Conrad was discharged from the Marechausee Corps in July 1780 at Reading, PA. This is part of a lengthy history of Conrad Kremer who became the first police chief of the City of Winchester, Virginia; a Blue Dyer; and the licensed proprietor of a hotel and tavern on Court House Avenue. He was a property owner, a bondsman, a naturalized American citizen on 18 March 1818, married the eldest daughter (Catharine) of Major Peter Helfenstein who was a local Rev. War hero. Conrad was awarded federal bounty land in Ohio for his Rev. War service, also a Rev. War veteran's pension. He was an officer of the Masonic Lodge. He and Catharine had six children between 1784 and 1797. I have no reliable information on the parents of Conrad, his place or exact date of birth, or any information on his family in Hesse. Any information would be appreciated. Don Fehlings 17227 SE 187th Street Renton, Washington 98058-9545 Tel: 425/255-8588 Dfehlings@aol.com

Ann -- If you don't have specific references at hand, I am afraid that you won't have a lot of success at TNA -- The National Archives (formerly the PRO or Public Record Office). First -- to get there you take the "Tube" (London Underground) to connect with the District (green) Line (board only trains marked for "Richmond"). South Kensington station is a good place to connect from either the Circle (yellow) Line or the Piccadilly (blue) Line. Get off the train at the Kew Gardens Station and after the train has departed, cross the tracks and go out the back gate.onto West Park, then hang a left onto Burlington which becomes Ruskin Ave which leads directly into the PRO -- Oops! TNA. It saves a hundred yards or so going the back way. It is less than a ten minute walk. TNA opens at 9:00AM except Tuesday (10:00AM) and Saturday (9:300 AM) and it will take 40 min to an hour by the Tube from the city depending on how your connections work out. Do some homework before you depart. http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/visit/plan.htm There are some 9.5 Million items cataloged on the electronic catalog which you can address from home. The search the catalog is: http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp If you put < Hessian > in the Word or Phrase box and limit the time from 1775 to 1785 and leave the bottom box blank, you will get only 25 "hits" of which 21 are clearly defined. [Audit Office] AO 3/55 marked "Hessians" and covering 1776 to 1794 looks interesting as it is part of the AO series "Foreign Troops: Accounts of payments, with musters, pay lists, and other subsidiary documents:"; however, most of the documents in this series pertain to the Napoleonic Wars so I suspect there is one RevWar item filed here. The last three listed [Treasury] T 38/812, T 38/813 and T 38/814 all marked "Accounts of Hessian troops engaged in America" and covering 1775-(1795?) also might be interesting. Thirty years ago I spent a day in T 389/812 which contains about 225 payrolls of the Ansbach-Bayreuth soldiers and contains documents written in English, French and German script.. I hope that if you look at T 38/813 and T 38/814 you will report to this List the contents of those two items. PRO 30 is a series of private papers donated to the PRO. PRO 30/11 is the papers of General Lord Cornwallis and PRO 30/55 is the papers of General Sir Guy Carleton. T 1/xxx is a very large collection of financial documents. [State Papers] SP 81/178 also includes "Major-General William Faucitt (Hanover) 1777- 1779; with tables (in German) dated 1776 showing (i) updated order of march for the departure of the first column of Hessian troops in the pay of Great Britain from Münden into the territories of Bremen; (ii) order of march of same troops from Münden to Bremerlehe; (iii) order of march of same troops for embarkation from Ritzebüttel" Unfortunately, if you want to look at "lists of Hessians" you have to go to the Staatsarchiv Marburg in Germany or of your "Hessians" are Brunswickers to the archives in Wolfenbüttel. If you don't have a working knowledge of German and an ability to read German script, you are going to have a very difficult time at these two places. I hope these few thoughts help. Bob Brooks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann HeInz" <agatha1@flash.net> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 12:32 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] National Archives, England >I am going to be in London for two weeks and would like to check out the >Hessian lists. Are they all on film or on paper that can be photocopied? > Is it easier to go and make copies or reach lists through the web site? > What is the sequence to open up those pages on the web site? > Thank you for your help. > Ann

I am going to be in London for two weeks and would like to check out the Hessian lists. Are they all on film or on paper that can be photocopied? Is it easier to go and make copies or reach lists through the web site? What is the sequence to open up those pages on the web site? Thank you for your help. Ann

Ann, Check out Barry Wetherington's 3/19 message, I did. The NRO/PRO lists steps you can take before going to London. Jeri

Hi Ann, I'm sorry but did I miss something? What would the English National Archives have to do with any of the Hessians? Wow, Going to England... I'm envious... Nelda Pax et bonum! Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://doodleartgraphics.com

Good Morning, Listers, I hope you don't mind if I print a correction to the Arnold Haupt file as I know the information 4will be secure in our archives. Also, the biographer wrote the following: "Haupt was a devout member of the Hessagra church (as near as we can give it an English letter)." http://genforum.genealogy.com/haupt/messages/504.html Can anyone identify this church denomination? Warm regards, Jane Curci wmcurci@aol.com Per John Merz: ARNOLD HAUPT. Hetrina II volume: running number 4872-73, born 1746/47 at Roemersberg D3581 (this is an old postal code) He was a private with the Hesse-Kassel Regiment v.Donop, 5.Comp.,and he deserted from his unit in June of 1778. Haupt was a devout member of the Hessagra church (as near as we can give it an English letter. Subj: Arnold Haupt family correction Date: 2/15/2005 9:56:01 AM Eastern Standard Time From: rhhaupt@yahoo.com (Bob Haupt) Hello fellow Haupt researchers, Unfortunately, there is a correction to the Arnold Haupt family ancestry. It has been stated that Johannes Haupt of Roemersberg "was believed" to be Johannes Haupt of Wetzlar, born Jan. 16, 1659 and son to Philip Balthasar and Maria Haupt. Well, the problem is, on Jan 16, 1659, a DAUGHTER named Johannet was born to Philip and Maria. She married Hans Georg Muller on Oct 2, 1687 and died on April 24, 1730. Along with some great help from Jane Curci (thanks again Jane), this information was collected from: 1) An index card entry showing the birth of Johannet on Jan 16, 1659 to Philip and Maria. 2) The actual church record for Jan 16 1659, which, according to Dr Meitzing at the Evangelische Kirche im Rheinland (Ev. Archivstelle Boppard, which is where the church records are kept) states that a daughter named Johannat was born to Philip and Maria. 3) An index card entry showing Joanna, daughter of Philip and Maria, marrying Hans Georg Muller. 4) A chart from the city of Wetzlar (I do not know who created it) showing the birth, marriage, and death dates of Johannet. All of the dates match the dates with the above sources. If you would like, I could email you a copy of any (or all) of the above documents. We have contacted Ray Haupt and it appears that he has removed this information from his website. Needless to say, but this is still the best website for Haupt Family information that I know of. And Haupt families everywhere are truly indebted to Ray for all of the work he has done for us. I, personally, am disappointed with this correction. I have traced my family back to the Wetzlar Haupts and it was nice thinking that Arnold Haupt was somehow related. But who knows, he still may be. We just have to keep looking. If anyone has any questions or concerns, please feel free to contact me. Good luck with your research, Bob Haupt RHHAUPT@YAHOO.COM

The NRO/ PRO refd by Bob are online, & searchable, altho ponderous to use. I have located excellent info, but it must be purchsed after found, altho reasonable on a per/ record basis. Barry Wetherington http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/default.htm http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/searchourcollections/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Brooks" <rcbrooks@pivot.net> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] rosters >> I'm not looking for Becks, but the rosters interest me. Where can one >> find them? > > There are in total about 225 rolls at The National Archives (formerly the > Public Record Office) in Kew just southwest of London in (Treasury) T > 38/812. The rolls contain no biographical data and are just semi-annual > muster records. The names have been abstracted and published in Erhard > Städtler, _Die Ansbach-Bayreuther Truppem im Amerikanischen > Unabhängigkeitskrieg 1777-1783_ ["The Ansbach-Bayreuth Troops in the > American Independencewar 1777-1783"] (Nürnburg: Kommissionsverlag Die > Egge, 1956) Those who deserted can be found on the Jochen Seidel > websight in Germany, extracted from Städtler's book; however, I question > the accuracy of Städtler's list of those left in America. > >> I have a copy of the Dohla Diary coming from Amazon, but I don't expect >> to find company rosters there. > > You won't -- but that account gives an excellent insight into the life of > a soldier. > > Bob Brooks > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > For Hessian research in Canada contact the Marilyn Adams Genealogical > Research Centre, Ameliasburg, Ontario e-mail 7thtownmagrc@kos.net or check > the mail list archives of this list for address. > You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going > from one message to another. To search: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L **************** > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

> I'm not looking for Becks, but the rosters interest me. Where can one > find them? There are in total about 225 rolls at The National Archives (formerly the Public Record Office) in Kew just southwest of London in (Treasury) T 38/812. The rolls contain no biographical data and are just semi-annual muster records. The names have been abstracted and published in Erhard Städtler, _Die Ansbach-Bayreuther Truppem im Amerikanischen Unabhängigkeitskrieg 1777-1783_ ["The Ansbach-Bayreuth Troops in the American Independencewar 1777-1783"] (Nürnburg: Kommissionsverlag Die Egge, 1956) Those who deserted can be found on the Jochen Seidel websight in Germany, extracted from Städtler's book; however, I question the accuracy of Städtler's list of those left in America. > I have a copy of the Dohla Diary coming from Amazon, but I don't expect to > find company rosters there. You won't -- but that account gives an excellent insight into the life of a soldier. Bob Brooks

> There are three Johann Beck entries. One of them is for soldier who > deserted outside Yorktown, Va. in 1791. This is Gemeiner [Private] Johann Beck who was in Major Buest's company (B II) and who deserted 10 Aug 1781. > The other two references is for a Priv.Beck ,of Quesnoy's Company ,who was > imprisoned in Frederick Md. for stealing a copper kettle in 1782. > third is Beck of Quesnoy's Co. Priv. who deserted in 1783 in Frederick, > Md. These two entries probably both apply to Gemeiner [Private] Johann Georg Beck as he wasthe only Beck in von Quesnoi's company. > There is no Joh. Georg listed. There is one reference to Joh. Paul. I don't find a Johann Paul Beck in the A-B lists. Gemeiner Georg Peter Beck (A I) died 17 Feb 1780 Grenadier Johann Simon Beck (A V) also is listed as dead but without a date assigned. Grenadier Johann Friedrich Beck (A V) died on the trip home n 1783. Fourier Johann Georg Beck (J I) returned to Europe in Nov 1779. Jäger Johann Christian Beck (J I) returned home. Jäger Christian Beck (1782 replacement recruit, sent to Penobscot) returned home Jäger Heinrich Ludwig Beck (1782 replacement recruit, sent to Penobscot) returned home These are all the Beck's found on the A-B rosters.

from Bob Brooks >These are all the Becks found on the A-B rosters. I'm not looking for Becks, but the rosters interest me. Where can one find them? I have a copy of the Dohla Diary coming from Amazon, but I don't expect to find company rosters there. Jeri

i have the Dohla Diary and am willing to do limited look-ups through the index There are three Johann Beck entries. One of them is for soldier who deserted outside Yorktown, Va. in 1791. The other two references is for a Priv.Beck ,of Quesnoy's Company ,who was imprisoned in Frederick Md. for stealing a copper kettle in 1782. third is Beck of Quesnoy's Co. Priv. who deserted in 1783 in Frederick, Md. There is no Joh. Georg listed. There is one reference to Joh. Paul. Ann

I suggest that you contact the SAR Library concerning your ancestor. Howard F. Horne, PG NSSAR 1999-2000 > Bob, > > Thanks for the information. I believe this Johann Georg Beck may be my best > bet. My Great Grandfather Levi Beck was born in Chester County,Pa.,but I have > not had much luck in finding out who his father was! The story in my family is > that he was either the son or grandson of a Hessian soldier who was a > deserter;furthermore, the christian names of John and George run in the family. > I > noticed that Johann Georg was being transported to New York,and this leads me to > assume that he could have deserted in the Chester County,Pa.area. Do you know > if there is any info in the AMREV-HESSIAN Archives concerning Dohla's journal? > If so,then I will lookit up. Thanks again, > > Best regards, > > Jim > > > > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > The Source HETRINA has been discussed more often than anything > else, you find the explanations by checking the key word archive. > You can find it by typing in "26 feb 1999" and look for HETRINA. > Or check the Threaded Archives for February 1999 - Hetrina publication. > You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from > one message to another. > To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >

John, Is there any way you can share the photograph? /R Stephen gggggrandson, PVT. Christian Schweinsberger, Armorer, Langraf Regiment >-----Original Message----- >From: john112g3@aol.com [mailto:john112g3@aol.com] >Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 02:21 AM >To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [HESSIAN] Hessian Graves > >Fellow Hessian researchers: > >In a chance phone conversation today, I spoke with a woman whose German ancestors had lived in northern Bronx, NY from the 1830's to the 1950's. She recalled a grave stone in the graveyard of the St. Paul's Church located in Mt. Vernon, NY just north of The Bronx. She forwarded a photo of the stone which indicated it had been erected by the DAR in memory of the Hessian Soldiers killed nearby and buried "in the sand pit" in 1776. > > Saint Paul's Church National Historic Site, 897 South Columbus Ave., Mt. Vernon, NY 10550 > > > John M. Rhodes > > >==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== >Taglines are supposed to give you instructions on how a mail list works. Please read them, and remove them and part of the original message (keeping enough of message for a reminder) before sending out an answer. One last word - Messages should not exceed what you can type on two letter pages, if you want to say more, make it two messages - Part one and Part two. >`````````````` >To unsubscribe: send an email to AMREV-HESSIANS-L-request@rootsweb.com >and write one single word unsubscribe in subject line and text field. >No other words or explanations or it won't work. > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

John, This is interesting, but I am very curious as to why would the DAR erect a monument in memory of enemy troops. Bill Smith Descendant of Daniel Englecke - Private in the Ehrenkrook Co., von Riedesel, captured at Battle of Saratoga; Private in the Massachusetts Continental Army 1781-84. ----- Original Message ----- From: john112g3@aol.com Date: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 9:21 pm Subject: [HESSIAN] Hessian Graves > Fellow Hessian researchers: > > In a chance phone conversation today, I spoke with a woman whose > German ancestors had lived in northern Bronx, NY from the 1830's > to the 1950's. She recalled a grave stone in the graveyard of the > St. Paul's Church located in Mt. Vernon, NY just north of The > Bronx. She forwarded a photo of the stone which indicated it had > been erected by the DAR in memory of the Hessian Soldiers killed > nearby and buried "in the sand pit" in 1776. > > Saint Paul's Church National Historic Site, 897 South Columbus > Ave., Mt. Vernon, NY 10550

Fellow Hessian researchers: In a chance phone conversation today, I spoke with a woman whose German ancestors had lived in northern Bronx, NY from the 1830's to the 1950's. She recalled a grave stone in the graveyard of the St. Paul's Church located in Mt. Vernon, NY just north of The Bronx. She forwarded a photo of the stone which indicated it had been erected by the DAR in memory of the Hessian Soldiers killed nearby and buried "in the sand pit" in 1776. Saint Paul's Church National Historic Site, 897 South Columbus Ave., Mt. Vernon, NY 10550 John M. Rhodes

Hi You need to be a member of the list to send messages... ----Original Message Follows---- From: FRoach5991@aol.com To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: {not a subscriber} (no subject) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:40:28 -0700 My grandfather, JACOB HEGIE (HAGIE), was with the 7th Battalion, Lancaster County, Pa. Militia, Cpt. Noah Ceasey's Co.. I understand he came over with the Hessians . I wondered if you might have any information about him or Cpt. Ceasey's Co.. Thanks in advance for any information. Frances A. Roach Jacob Hagie 1762-1842

> page 605 > Mr. Downey came out of the Revoultion as a captain, having > enlisted in his sixteenth year. > He was one of the guard to escort to Frederick Town the Hessian > prisoners captured by Washington at Trenton NJ. I am not aware of any of the Hessians captured at Trenton in 1776 being sent to Frederick town (Maryland). I think prehaps the only German ("Hessian") POWs marched to Frederick were those taken at Yorktown or transferred there at the close of the war. Looks to me like the old boy's memory wasn't too good -- or maybe he didn't want to let the facts get in the way of a good story. Bob Brooks

Hi , Still looking for a Hessian whose name sounded like LORA--- I have found a James LORA in Ma. on the 1850 Census, and many LORA's in Pa. Does anyone have a name that sounds like LORA in their research? Thanks myrna On Sunday, March 13, 2005, at 09:07 PM, Nelda Percival wrote: > Hi Patrick, > Your: > Nelda; > Help! I have got such a headache! > > Well, after such a Plea... how could I not help. The problem being I > do not have any information on the Hessians other then what My cousin > Tanya has gotten on our Bonsteins, and my online searching... But you > said you found it at the Johannes Scwhwalm Archives. So, Although, I > have never seen the Von Knyphausen Regiment listed in Maryland it is > easy to get things confused. > > So I started at the Johannes Scwhwalm Archives moving fast through > the pages I found nothing then I tried the special collection at the > F&M college... BINGO! > > http://library.fandm.edu/archives/jshacoll.html#2 > > > Special Collections > Johannes Schwalm Historical Association Collection > > MS 52 > Scope and Content: > This collection consists of research materials gathered by the > Johannes Schwalm Historical Asssociation an organization dedicated to > the history of the Hessian soldiers who became citizens of the new > United States after the American Revolution and their German-American > descendents. Available to interested researchers are mostly secondary > materials such as journals, monographs, family histories, articles, > dissertations and manuscripts documenting German-American families, > history and culture > YOURS is in: > Box 27 - Folder 5 > Jaeger/Yarger > > You need to go to that URL and insure that you wrote the college for > the information.. > Hope that helps > Nelda > List Manager > > Pax et bonum! > Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ > http://doodleartgraphics.com > > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > The Source HETRINA has been discussed more often than anything > else, you find the explanations by checking the key word archive. > You can find it by typing in "26 feb 1999" and look for HETRINA. Or > check the Threaded Archives for February 1999 - Hetrina publication. > You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, > going from one message to another. To search: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

The commanding officer of a company would usually be a captain, although it could be a lieutenant if there were vacancies. If the listed birth date is correct, then the Captain was really 22 or 23 when he enlisted, which would have made him 30 by the end of the war in 1783. Not a particularly young officer. If the birth date is wrong and he enlisted at 16 in 1775 or 1776, then the Captain would have been 23 or 24 at the end of the war, which would make him a young Captain, but not impossibly so. It is also possible that the Captain wasn't a captain when his company took charge of the prisoners, but was by the time they finished their mission. The furnished information does not mention his rank when he enlisted, although the term would seem to imply not as an officer. However, rank could be quite fluid in the American Army, so that doesn't mean he couldn't have enlisted as a private. Its also possible that Mr. Downey wasn't telling the truth about his enlistment age, or his rank at the end of the war, or both. Just a thought. -----Original Message----- From: S9359338@aol.com Sent: Mar 16, 2005 9:29 AM To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] General K In a message dated 3/15/05 11:58:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, JeanShar40@aol.com writes: page 605 Mr. Downey came out of the Revoultion as a captain, having enlisted in his sixteenth year. He was one of the guard to escort to Frederick Town the Hessian prisoners captured by Washington at Trenton NJ. page 609 John Downey, the grandfather was born Aug 20, 1753 and died 26 September, 1825. He enlisted in the army at the beginning of the Revolution, and served throughout the entire war, coming out with the rank of captain. He was detailed with his company to guard the Hessian prisoners taken at Trenton and sent to Frederick. If he were born in l753 his 16th year would appear to be l760 or 1770. which would seem to be much earlier than the beginning of the revolution although those dates may be compatible? I am quite surprised that a 16 year old could rise to Captain in such a short time as that would seem to be a very high rank for the time. I suspect that was quite uncommon for the time but realize that there were almost no professional soldiers in the American side of the Revolutionary War. He must have been quite talented. Possibly the report of "His Company" did not mean that he was ranking officer in that company, but it seems to imply that. On a biography it could mean that he was just a member of that company and his rank came afterward. I am not sure of the rank of a Company ranking officer. Charles Severs ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== The Source HETRINA has been discussed more often than anything else, you find the explanations by checking the key word archive. You can find it by typing in "26 feb 1999" and look for HETRINA. Or check the Threaded Archives for February 1999 - Hetrina publication. You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx