Hessian Listers, Thanks to the kind replies of many on the List, as well as the List Archives, I have entered an inquiry at the Carlisle Barracks in PA (apparently, Canada has a separate holding repository): < http://carlisle-www.army.mil/usamhi/research.cfm > The query is worded as follows, and I will let the List know of any success I might have (am told this can take up to six months): I understand you have the microfiche collection (G.K.Hall's "Hessian Documents in the American Revolution"), and the index to same? I also understand that this contains the TRANSLATED diary of a Hessian Lt. Ritter, and that he was of the von Knyphausen Regiment? If at all possible, I would like to obtain a fiche or hard copy of this Lt.'s translated diary. I do hope you can help, and I will gladly cover any and all charges this may incur. Thank you in advance. Hope this is of some interest? By the way, I could find no Burgoyne translation of this diary. One other repository (that supposedly owns the original diary) is the Morristown National Historical Park in NJ? Bob Fetters, descendant of Cpl. Johann Henrich Hammer of Capt. Borck's Company

Walt -- > The only question left outstanding is what is a strich? A "Strich" (in German, nouns are capitalized) trsnslates to "stroke" in English. 1 Zoll comprises 4 Striche; i.e, 1 Strich = 1/4 Zoll. The table in _Johannes Schwalm The Hessisian_ (JSHA, 1976), pp. 218-220, converts the men's heights to feet and inches and gives the excess as [none], 1/8", 1/4" and 3/8" but does not list excesses 1/2", 5/8", 3/4" or 7/8". Stasticically, the number of men which a remainder of 1/2 to 7/8th inch should be about the same as those with a remainder under a half inch; therefore, there was an incorrect conversion used in that Table which applies to 5.Kompanie, Regiment v. Knypahusen. I want to emphasize that we are discussing the old Prussian Fuß -- Zoll -- Strich [foot -- inch -- stroke] system which was used at the time of the AWI. Like Prussia, that system has long been out of use. Over history, there were numerous Fuß/Zoll systems used. For example I found at least half a dozen systems used by the Swiss. During the AWI the "indigenous" system used in Brunswick was based upon a Zoll = 2.378 cm, which is 6.38% smaller than the English system and 9.24% smaller than the Prussian system. For an excellent summary see: Gerhard Friesen, "18th-Century Brunswick Moneys, Weights and Measures" in the 2000 _Journal of the Johannes Schwalm Historical Association_, p. 60. Read the text about soldiers because the table uses the "indigenous" measurement. Today Germany is metric and the words/measurements Fuß and Zoll refer to the English/American system. Bob Brooks

Bob, Thanks for explaining Prussian measures. The only question left outstanding is what is a strich? Walt Warnick --------------------- Bob Brooks wrote: > Bill -- > >> My Brunswick ancestor, Daniel Engelcke, is listed in von Riedesel's >> Order Book as 5 Zoll and 0 Strich. Does this mean that he was 5'5" >> tall (as I've thought)? > > > Converting to the modern American/English system, he would be 5' 7" tall. > > 1 inch = 2.54 cm; 1 Zoll = 2.62 cm; therefore, the conversion factor = > 2.62/2.54 = 1.0315 > > 5 Fuß 5 Zoll 0 Strich = 65.0 Zoll (x 1.0315 inches per Zoll) = 67.0475 > inches.= 5 feet 7.0475 inches. > > Bob Brooks

Bill -- > My Brunswick ancestor, Daniel Engelcke, is listed in von Riedesel's Order > Book as 5 Zoll and 0 Strich. Does this mean that he was 5'5" tall (as > I've thought)? Converting to the modern American/English system, he would be 5' 7" tall. 1 inch = 2.54 cm; 1 Zoll = 2.62 cm; therefore, the conversion factor = 2.62/2.54 = 1.0315 5 Fuß 5 Zoll 0 Strich = 65.0 Zoll (x 1.0315 inches per Zoll) = 67.0475 inches.= 5 feet 7.0475 inches. Bob Brooks

Nelda > Have you read the story or diary of Capt. Wiederhold about the storm? He > was on the Trenton <clip> Stabskapitän (Staff-Captain) Andreas Wiederhold was on the brig TRITON, not the "Trenton" which was the battle where many of these lads had been taken POW at an earlier date. The senior Hessian officer onboard the TRITON was Obristleutnant (Lt Col) Carl Philipp Heymel. A Citation from *Johannes Schwalm, the Hessian* (JSHA, 1976) indicates that his diary "Diary of Lt Col Carl Philipp Heymel" is at the William L. Clements Library at UMich, Ann Arbor. I do not find it listed in the online catalog. Although I have been compiling info on transports for quite a while, my lists are quite incomplete. I want to empasize the word "speculate" I speculate that the TRITON was the brig of 224 tons owned and commanded by James Thornton. She was armed with six carriage guns and two swivels and was manned by a crew of 18 when she came to America transporting 140 Hessians of the second section of the First (Heisters) Division of Hessians which had departed Spithead on 26 May and arrived at New York on 12 Aug 1776. As for the MOLLY, there are too many of that name to speculate with any confidencne. In the same outward convoy as the TRITON, there was a ship MOLLY of 268 tons, owned by Alexander spears of Glasgow with John Lash as master. This MOLLY was ared with two swivel guns, had a crew of 17, and brought out 128 Hessians. In the first section of the First Division of Hessians, there was a MOLLY of 212 tons which brought out 100 men of the Grenadier Battalian Mingerode. The Captain's name was Samuel Mitchenson. This MOLLY departed Spithead three weeks before the second second; however, both sections rendezvoused off LOng Island on 11 Aug and all entered NY Harbor the following day. The first section was comprised of 68 troop transports, 2 storeships, 2 ships with camp equipage, 2 Ordnace transnports, 9 Navy victuallers, 2 private ships and a half dozen or so warships. The second section comprised 14 troop transnports, 11 victuallers, 2 baggage & wagons, and 1 ordnance storeship. I would speculate that the second named, smaller MOLLY is the more likely of the two to have MOLLY captured as the capatin of that MOLLY was named Isaac Mitcheson (according to the *Pennsyslvania Packet* issue of 28 Sep 1779. One vessel named ARCHER was part of a small convoy which went to Maderia and loaded wine, then went to Jamaica where they offloaded wine and loaded invalids from the 50th Regt to return them to England. She then came to America in the spring of 1777 with a load of recruits. William Coats or Cotes (both given) commanded. Bob Brooks

Bob, My Brunswick ancestor, Daniel Engelcke, is listed in von Riedesel's Order Book as 5 Zoll and 0 Strich. Does this mean that he was 5'5" tall (as I've thought)? Thank you Bill Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Brooks <rcbrooks@pivot.net> Date: Saturday, April 9, 2005 8:52 pm Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] RE: Prussian measures > In German, a Fuß is a Foot and a Zoll is an Inch. Try multiplying > 2.62 x > 12. The Prussian system is 3.15% larger than the English system. > > In Hessian and Brunswick military records I have examined, a man's > height > (Maas) is only listed in Zoll and Strich with a basic 5 Fuß > understood. A > man who stands 5 foot (Fuß) 0 inch (Zoll) by the Prusian system > would be 5 f > oot 1.9 inches by the English system.

In German, a Fuß is a Foot and a Zoll is an Inch. Try multiplying 2.62 x 12. The Prussian system is 3.15% larger than the English system. In Hessian and Brunswick military records I have examined, a man's height (Maas) is only listed in Zoll and Strich with a basic 5 Fuß understood. A man who stands 5 foot (Fuß) 0 inch (Zoll) by the Prusian system would be 5 f oot 1.9 inches by the English system. The few times I have found a l isting for a man who is over 6 Fuß tall, in the Zoll column his height is listed as 1:0, 1:1, etc. In the 1782 Brunswick Recruits, a muster roll of recruits for the Regiment Prinz Friedrich dated in April 1782 (before they departed) listed a Tambour (Drummer) Andreas Bartholomay, age 16, Maas 1:1 Z. -- S., Catholic, from Herstell, Paderborn. As Johann Bartholomaei, age 17, he is listed as deserting from Penobscot on 19 May 1783. I ofen wonder what happened to this lanky kid (Maas 1:1 Z. -- S. = 6 Ft. 2-1/4 in. by the English system) Bob Brooks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelda Percival" <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 5:35 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] RE: Prussian measures > Hi > Can any of you Help Him...??? I almost laughed... Me? figure that out? > nope... So I thought I know who can... Send it to the list... > > Thanks Nelda > LM with no knowledge of German or Prussian Languages or measurements... > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "John L. Knabenschuh" <emt47@mc2k.com> > To: "Nelda Percival" <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> > Subject: Prussian measures > Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 14:51:01 -0500 > > Hi Nelda, > > height: 5 Fuß 7 Zoll 0 Strich (this is the old Prussian system where 2.62 > cm = 1 Zoll = 4 Strich), > > Can you provide the metric equivalent for the Fuß ? > > Best regards, John > > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > For Hessian research in Canada contact the Marilyn Adams Genealogical > Research Centre, Ameliasburg, Ontario e-mail 7thtownmagrc@kos.net or check > the mail list archives of this list for address. > You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going > from one message to another. To search: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L **************** > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > >

Hi Bob, If An error like that lol Trenton/Triton Brings out such good information to correct me... I think I'll make a lot more errors... Nice information, Thanks Bob.. Nelda Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/

In a message dated 4/9/2005 7:01:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nelda_percival@hotmail.com writes: > http://www.americanrevolution.org/hess20.html > > Google can show you the following information for this URL: > Show <A HREF="http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:GUMuebsh-3kJ:www.americanrevolution.org/hess20.html+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8">Google's cache</A> of www.americanrevolution.org/hess20.html

Hi Fred, Have you read the story or diary of Capt. Wiederhold about the storm? He was on the Trenton It was at http://www.americanrevolution.org/hess20.html But that link is not working... but I have parts of it on my site at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/hstry/bonhist1.htm I found it quite interesting and like I said its a wonder any soldier on that ship would ever get on another... I'd be afraid to as my luck to have lived might be used up! Nelda Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/

Hi Can any of you Help Him...??? I almost laughed... Me? figure that out? nope... So I thought I know who can... Send it to the list... Thanks Nelda LM with no knowledge of German or Prussian Languages or measurements... ----Original Message Follows---- From: "John L. Knabenschuh" <emt47@mc2k.com> To: "Nelda Percival" <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> Subject: Prussian measures Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 14:51:01 -0500 Hi Nelda, height: 5 Fuß 7 Zoll 0 Strich (this is the old Prussian system where 2.62 cm = 1 Zoll = 4 Strich), Can you provide the metric equivalent for the Fuß ? Best regards, John

I am not aware of it being online. Actually, at least 2 of these soldiers did return to Hessen-Kassel. It has been assumed that all soldiers who ended up settling in North America remained here after the war. I am aware of 2 who returned and later came back to settle. Gerog Weckesser (my ancestor) and Wilhelm Fischer (regimental drummer of the v. Knyphausen regiment) returned to Germany in 1783. Later (fall of 1786), Fischer dueled with a corporal Rauther (a duel which he presumably won) and was demoted. In the spring of 1787 both Fischer and Weckesser deserted and escaped from Hessen-Kassel with their young families and somehow made it back to Prince Edward Island. Fred -------Original Message------- From: Nelda Percival Date: 4/9/2005 11:59:25 AM To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HESSIAN] The Ships Archer and Trenton Hi Fred, Your: For those who are interested, the voyage of the Archer is detailed in the troop diary of the von Knyphausen written by Lt. Ritter. Ritter was on board the Archer, so his account paints an interesting picture of the adventures of these troops. The diary has been translated into English. Do you know if this diary is on line any where. Capt. Wiederhold's diary was on line at http://www.americanrevolution.org/hess20.html but that does not seem to be a working URL now... It told all about the storm.. It is no wonder men on the Trenton ship stayed in America... I would not have gotten back on a ship for love or money... after reading what they went through... Thank you Nelda Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== The subject of this list - Hessian Soldiers of the American Revolution No other wars - no other German immigrants. Please stick to the subject. You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

An article translated from the original and entitled Exerpts From A Hessian Troop Log: "Journal Regiment von Knyphausen" (September 8, 1779 - June 30, 1780) appeared in the The Abegweit Review, Vol. 5, No. 2, Spring 1987 as published by the University of Prince Edward Island (UPEI), Charlottetown, PEI, Canada. (I happened to be reading the issue as your email arrived.) That particular issue was subtitled "A German Issue", and included translations of Col. von Borck Reporting From Charlotte Town (1779) and the excerpt from the troop log noted above, as well as an article on the first German Settlers on PEI. Don't know if this includes what you are looking for, but it should help. You might also try contacting Professor Lothar Zimmerman, Professor of German at UPEI. Cheers Doug MacDonald

It is in "Hessian Documents in the American Revolution" published on microfiche by the G. K. Hall Co. It is document "P" in this collection and is microfiche # 279/80. For those of you in Canada, I obtained my copy from the University of New Brunswick, Harriet Irving Library. Best regards, Fred -------Original Message------- From: Robert A. Fetters Date: 4/9/2005 11:35:13 AM To: HESSIANS Cc: diane-fred.vickerson@sympatico.ca Subject: Archer - Diary by Lt. Ritter Hessian Listers, The von Knyphausen Regiment diary written by a Lt. Ritter, as part of group on the ship Archer (with von Borck): My ancestor, John Henry Hammer was on that ship destined for Canada. Fred Vickerson posted to this list earlier today the fact that a Lt. Ritter kept a diary, and that it had been translated. Does anyone know where a copy of that translation might be obtained (purchased)? Thank you. Bob Fetters

Hessian Listers, The von Knyphausen Regiment diary written by a Lt. Ritter, as part of group on the ship Archer (with von Borck): My ancestor, John Henry Hammer was on that ship destined for Canada. Fred Vickerson posted to this list earlier today the fact that a Lt. Ritter kept a diary, and that it had been translated. Does anyone know where a copy of that translation might be obtained (purchased)? Thank you. Bob Fetters

For those who are interested, the voyage of the Archer is detailed in the troop diary of the von Knyphausen written by Lt. Ritter. Ritter was on board the Archer, so his account paints an interesting picture of the adventures of these troops. The diary has been translated into English. While on PEI, 3 German officers, von Borck, Zimmeramnn and Schimmelfeng received land grants in Charlottetown from the British crown. It is doubtful that they ever returned to the Island, but several other soldiers from the regiment did. Best regards, Fred -------Original Message------- From: Nelda Percival Date: 4/8/2005 10:18:32 PM To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] RE: Michelsberg #1 Copy sent to list Hi Bob & Fred, Thank you for that correction Fred, I didn't know if it was incorrect or if my information was incorrect. My two Hessians Johann Jacob Bonstein on the Trenton and Paulus Bonstein on the Archer, my information had Paulus going to Quebec. I did not know it was the next summer though... Thank you. Nelda Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe click on AMREV-HESSIANS-L-request@rootsweb.com and write one single word unsubscribe in subject line and text field. No other words or explanations or it won't work. ~~~~~~~~~~~ You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

Hi Fred, Your: For those who are interested, the voyage of the Archer is detailed in the troop diary of the von Knyphausen written by Lt. Ritter. Ritter was on board the Archer, so his account paints an interesting picture of the adventures of these troops. The diary has been translated into English. Do you know if this diary is on line any where. Capt. Wiederhold's diary was on line at http://www.americanrevolution.org/hess20.html but that does not seem to be a working URL now... It told all about the storm.. It is no wonder men on the Trenton ship stayed in America... I would not have gotten back on a ship for love or money... after reading what they went through... Thank you Nelda Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/

Dear Bob, thank you for enlightning our German friend from Michelsberg. You did a terrific job - and of course, in the meantime you realized that you quoted the wrong ship which went down during that awful hurricane on 15 Sep. 1779 - it was the "Adamant' with a company of soldiers of the Hessen-Kassel Regiment v. Lossberg. Anyone wants to know more about this tragedy, just put the name Adamant into the search engine of this mail list. Thanks Bob, and thanks to the Vickerson's Yours John Merz

Fred -- Thanks. I was uneasy as I wrote that as it didn't "feel right"; however, HETRINA III codes Hans Heinrich Vogel as dying in Oct 1779 from non-battle-related causes and the next name, Justus Vogel, from Allendorf (also KNY1) is coded the same way so I decided this was how the troops on the ARCHER were covered by HETRINA III. I was wrong!. Bob Brooks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane and Fred Vickerson" <diane-fred.vickerson@sympatico.ca> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] RE: Michelsberg #1 Copy sent to list > Just a small correction is in order. The ARCHER was not lost, but rather > was separated from the fleet and eventually made it's way to Halifax and > then to Prince Edward Island (then St. John's) where that part of the > regiment spent the winter of 1779-80. The regiment then went on to Quebec > the next summer. > > Best regards, > Fred Vickerson >

Just a small correction is in order. The ARCHER was not lost, but rather was separated from the fleet and eventually made it's way to Halifax and then to Prince Edward Island (then St. John's) where that part of the regiment spent the winter of 1779-80. The regiment then went on to Quebec the next summer. Best regards, Fred Vickerson -------Original Message------- From: Nelda Percival Date: 4/8/2005 6:32:21 PM To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HESSIAN] RE: Michelsberg #1 Copy sent to list ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Bob Brooks" <rcbrooks@pivot.net> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com>, <Aumag@web.de> Subject: Michelsberg Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 12:27:59 -0600 Herr Gobel -- The three men from Michelsberg whom you mention all served in America in infantry companies of the Regiment von Knyphausen. The garrison town of that regiment was Ziegenhain and I understand that some early records are at the fortress there; however, the majority of the records of the Regiment von Knyphausen for the period of the American War of Independence are at the Hessisches Staatsarchiv Marburg. The records have been indexed in _Hessische Truppen im Amerikanischen Unabhängigkeitskrieg (HETRINA), Index nach Familiennamen, Bd. III_. HETRINA's code for the Regiment von Knyphausen is KNY followed by the number designating the company; i.e, KNY1 through KNY5. The Regiment von Knyphausen can not be considered a "lucky regiment" because: 1. The majority of the Regiment v. Knyphausen was captured 26 Dec 1776 at Trenton, New Jersey. The Prisoners of War (POWs) were sent originally to Philadelphia and then moved to various locations elsewhere in Pennsylvania. An attempt was made to exchange these POWs in June 1778, just prior to the British evacuation of Philadelphia in mid-June 1778, however, the exchange missed occurring by several days. The exchange finally was made in July and August 1778 in the vicinity of Elizabeth, New Jersey. 2. The Regiment was embarked on three transport ships (ARCHER, MOLLY, and TRITON) bound from New York to Quebec when on 15 Sep 1779 they encountered a hurricane four days after departing New York. The ARCHER was lost with all hands and the TRITON and MOLLY were dismasted and then captured by the Americans off the New Jersey coast. The POWs were sent to Philadelphia, the second time for most of the men. The inormation on the men form Michelsberg that you named includes: Vogel, Georg, Gemeiner, KNY5 (5.Kompanie), born circa 1755-56, from Michelsberg: He was one of those who avoided capture at Trenton; however, he was onboard the MOLLY and taken POW. Johannes Kappes' Tagebuch gives his name as Georg Adam Vogel, born: 1756, residence: Michelsberg, Ziegenhain, height: 5 Fuß 7 Zoll 0 Strich (this is the old Prussian system where 2.62 cm = 1 Zoll = 4 Strich), religion: Reformed, service entry date: 10 June 1773, occupation: Tailor The Johannes Schwalm Historical Association has a file on him which says he deserted 26 Sep 1779 and married Deborah Thomas and remained in America. http://pages.prodigy.net/halschwalm/jshacomb.html The POWs from MOLLY arrived at Philadelphia on 26 Sep 1779. Vogel, Hans Heinrich, Gemeiner, KNY1 (Leibkompanie), born circa 1754-55, Michelsberg. He was among the POWs taken at Trenton and later exchanged. He is probably the "Henrich Voght" of KNY1 who listed on the 17 June POW exchange list dated three days after the evacuation of Philadelphia. If so, then he was employed by Henry Scheffer, Esq., of Heidelberg PA, while a POW. He was lost at sea on the ARCHER circa 15 Sep 1779. Wickert, Johannes, Gemeiner, KNY5 (5.Kompanie), born circa 1751-52, from Michelsberg. He was taken POW at Trenton and probably deserted while a POW as he is not listed as a POW from the MOLLY. Kappes lists him as Johann Daniel Wieckert, born: 1755, residence: Michelsberg, Ziegenhain, height: 5 Fuß 5 Zoll 0 Strich, religion: Reformed, service entry date: 29 June 1774. CAUTION: There were at least two deserters named Johannes Wickert wandering around Pennsylvania in 1778. The JSHA has a file on Johannes Wickert which says: "Hesse-Cassel; Borken; Private; Von Donop Reg., Co. 4; HETRINA Vol. II; Deserted 10 Feb. 1778 from quarters in Philadelphia; Straight line genealogy established." This latter man was born circa 1751-52 and was from Borken who was listed as a deserter in Feb 1778. HETRINA II also lists a Johann Georg Wickert/Wickart, a musician (Hautboist/Trompeter), born circa 1749-1751 from Rinteln or Borken (both places given) who was a member of the Regiment von Loßberg who was taken POW at Trenton. He appears to have been exchanged and to have returned to Germany in 1783. Other men from Michelsberg who served in the Regiment von Knyphausen include: Gerlach, Johan Hienrich, Gemeiner, KNY5, born ca. 1757-58, died from non-battle causes Mar 1777. Kappes lists him as Henrich Gerlach, born: 1758, height: 5 Fuß 5 Zoll 0 Strich, religion: Reformed, "Died." Hoeck, Johannes, Gemeiner, KNY1, born ca. 1757-58, escaped at Trenton, POW on MOLLY, probably deserted in America. Schmidt, Adam, Gemeiner, KNY5, born ca. 1751-52, promoted Korporal Oct 1783. Kappes lists him as Korporal, born: 1752, height: 5 Fuß 7 Zoll 3 Strich, religion: Reformed, service entry date: 1774. It appears that he returned to Germany at the end of the war. There is some confusion in HETRINA III re: Adam Schmidt as it has a Korporal Adam Schmidt, KNY5, from Heringen, on the Trenton POW list and the same Korporal Adam Schmidt of Heringen, born ca. 1736-37 in Germany on the 1785 Stammrolle. I would expect Adam Schmidt to appear either on the Feb 1777 list of Trenton POEs or on the Dec 1776 list of those who escaped captivity. The only other possibilities were that he was sick in the hospital or was in some rear echelon assignment in New York. Likewise, he should have been on the MOLLY with the rest of his company unless, of course, he was left in New York on duty. ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== 6000 Hessian soldiers remained in North America after the end of the war in 1783. The majority settled in the Eastern United States and Canada. You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. 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