Hi All I am new to this list, and just wondered how many soldiers brought their families with them? Apolonia ? married Thomas Baker b abt 1697 in North Kingstown, R.I. They moved north to Duchess County, N.Y. and settled on the "Beekman Patent". Children were born 1716- 172? I realize that this is quite a bit earlier than the civil war, but my research on her name, comes from either Belgium or Bavaria, area of Europe. Does anyone know where I can go to try and find her family name? Thanks for any help, Bonnie (Baker) Weber

Dear Hessian Listers, Thanks to a few members of this List, I was able to obtain this English translation. And what a time line it draws for my ancestor, Johann Henry HAMMER, of the von KNYPHAUSEN Regiment, Von BORCK Company. To paraphrase John T. Humphrey at the Genealogical Society of PA 2005 Annual meeting: "Details concerning what an ancestor may have done on any given day can be difficult if not impossible to find. But details concerning shared or common experience have been recorded and that information is useful in gaining insight into" the ancestor's life. This diary follows my ancestor, though no enlisted men are mentioned by name, throughout the entire Revolutionary War. What a trip that was for me. It included the trip over, the initial campaign, the capture at Trenton, the prisoner exchange, the storm in the North Atlantic on the way to Canada, where all the von KNYPHAUSEN Regiment was captured except those on the "Archer" (including Lt. RITTER), the two winters, the 1st at St. John's Island (being unable to reach Quebec the 1st winter of 7 months) and the 2nd at Quebec, and the return to NY, as well as the return to Germany (after my ancestor's desertion). We are talking less than two hundred men here with this shared experience, over a period of years from 1776 through 1783. I feel certain that with all this time together (except the capture at Trenton and prisoner time), that Lt. RITTER and my ancestor, John Henry HAMMER must have at least been acquainted. At least they did have many common experiences. Thank you Listers who helped me locate this translation, and for even making me aware of it. Officially, it is known as a part of the microfiche of G. K. Hall's "Hessian Documents in the American Revolution." The RITTER diary is document "P" in this collection, and is microfiche #'s 279 & 280. According to Fred Vickerson, a copy is available in Canada from the University of New Brunswick, Harriet Irving Library. I ordered my copy from the Carlisle Barracks (MHI Fund, AHEC, 950 Soldiers Drive, Carlisle, PA 17013). Not cheap (101 pages at 50 cents/page), but maybe the Fiche can be borrowed at a library on ILL? Robert A. (Bob) Fetters

forwarded by LM... nelda ----Original Message Follows---- From: Aumag <Aumag@web.de> To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: {not a subscriber} Thanks for information about Michelsberg soldiers Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:04:37 -0600 Hello everybody, by this mail I want to thank all of you, who shared your knowledge of the soldiers from Michelsberg with me. Your interesting information will help me very much to go on with my own research. Many thanks and greetings from Michelsberg, Andreas Göbel www.schwalmstadt-michelsberg.de

Hello Loretta; Remember our exchange of information back in 2001? At leat 10 messages in the mail list archives under 'MILLIS', Lots of information !!! And on top of it - just a year ago in April 2004 - here came an enquiry from Mrs. Louise Briggs coastkid917@aol.com which I unfortunately failed to follow up, but Louise Briggs rewarded us in Dec. 2004 with a lenghty report of her research. Oh I am so happy that we got those mail list archives of ours, a real GOLDMINE. Cheers, John Helmut Merz, retired on Lake Ontario. ----- Original Message ----- From: <lorettadunham@aol.com> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 5:31 PM > =========================== > Source: MAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Hessian soldier MILLIS > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Millis > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/4EB.2ACE/606.1.1.1.2.1 > > Gloria, > > Interested in exchanging information about John Millis of Leyden MA. He was a Hessian soldier and I am hoping to find where he was from in Germany. So far, nothing has panned out on that search. > > My line is John's eldest son, John Millis, who went to NY and then to Michigan. >

Hello everyone; We talked about this Hessian soldier on our mail list on 28.Sep. 2002. You can find him in our archives. Perhaps the archives contain even more information, but I remember that some of mine ended up with the S.A.R. Library in Louisvuille, Kentucky, as part of my 'Hessian soldier' donation. (this does not mean Karl served with the Patriots) John Merz, (retired in Ontario) ----- Original Message ----- From: <Ronpancner@aol.com> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 5:38 PM > Source: BRETHREN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Charles Welbaum, Sr. > > In the FBGN Vol. 23, Number 4, Sinter 1991-2, page 70, it states that > Charles Welbaum Sr., a Hessian soldier and a Rev. War Soldier, to Lanc., York & > Bedford Co. PA. > > I have verified through tax records his presence in Bedford then Huntingdon > Co. PA but not in Lancaster or York Co. Has anyone records proving his stay in > those counties? June 23, 1778 was the likely time of his desertion from the > Hessian army along with two corporals and seven other men. Of course it is > not known if they deserted together as a group. This information comes from the > HETRINA project and a dissertation by Slagle about the von Lossberg > Regiment. I have not been able to confirm Charles participation in the US army or for > that matter Daniel Murray. > > I have no information about his location from that point until 1787 in the > tax records of Bedford Co., Frankstown township. > > I also question the information that Daniel Murray, father of John, was a > Hessian soldier as well, since according to Samuel Murray's autobiography, he > was Scot-Irish. > > Don Bowman, I see you prepared this article Do you know if Leona Betteridge > is still a correspondent? Did she give any citations for the information > presented? > Many thanks again for the help you have provided me over the last eight or > so years. > > Ron Pancner

I just happened on this site while looking for Hesse-Kassel and discovered Johann Peter Sippel on the list of Hessians who decided to stay in America, after the war was over. I am also related to the famous Deborah Samson Gannett who dressed up as a man and fought with the Americans until she was wounded and found out by the physician. Does anyone know the background of Johann Sippel?

Toni -- First you need to join the list to receive AMREV-HESSIANS messages, There have been several since John Merz forwarded your email to the list. Sign up is easy. Click on <AMREV-HESSIANS-L-request@rootsweb.com> which if you are using most common e-mail software will open a new emaial addressed as above. Leave the subject line blank and in the text write only the word Subscribe and send the email. Notice that the e-address has the added tail "-request" after the list name. This funnels it to an automatic program which adds you as a subscriber. To end receiving programs, repete the same process but use the word: Unsubscribe I am pleased you have located your Jakob Hachenberger and apologize if my earlier email turned out to be a "red herring"; however, I associate German POWs at Lancaster PA with the POWs taken at Trenton. After the Trenton POWs were exchanged in 1778, I think of Lancaster as principally holding British POWs. Jakob Hachenberger was part of the Hesse-Hanau contingient. HETRINA VI covers the Hesse-Hanau troops was published later than the earlier volumes so I never obtained a copy. The account you give below just skims the surface of what Jakob Hachenberger actually encountered so you have a lot of reading to do. A few additions and corrections to the account below. First it wasn't March 5, 1775 that they reached Quebec, it was May 1776, usually May 6th is used but the convoy had to make its way through the ice in the river so anytime in the first 10 days of May is reasonable. They had departed Hanau on the mornin of 16 March 1776. In the campaign of 1775, the Americans had come up through the NY lakes and captured Montreal, tturn turne east towards the fortress at Quebec. In the meantime Arnold came over the hieight of the land from Maine to Quebec. The attack 31 Dec 1775 failed and the Americans lay siege to Quebec all winter. With the arrival of the warships and their convoys on 6 May, the Americans lifted the seige and began a withdrawal. In the meantime, the Amercan relief force was coming from the NY Lakes to join up. The two forces met at Trois Riviores on 8 June 1776 which fundamentally marked the end of the American campaign in Canada. Other listers can provide you recommended readings on this phase as I am not particularly knowedgeable on this campaign. As the Hesse-Hanau troops were with the Brunswick troops, the journals by Brunswickers should not be missed. After the Convention Army surrendered at Saratoga in Oct 1777, they were marched to Cambridge, Mass., to await (they supposed) transportation which would take them back to Europe. The Continental Congress never endorsed the Convention of surrender and using a minor infraction by the British, declared it invalid. Then in Nov 1778, the made a 7 day, 700 mile winter march from Cambridge MA to Charlottesville VA were they interred in the incomplete Albemarle Barracks. From Albemarle barracks at Charlottesvile, the POWs were move to Winchester VA whem Cornwallis' army moved into Virgina in 1781, then when Winchester was closed in early 1782, they went to Pensyslavania. I recommend you purchase a copy of the 2001 JSHA Journal. Of particular interest you will find: (pp.19-29) Gerhard K. Friesen, translator, "Anton Adolf Heinrich Du Roi's Diary of the Convention Army's March from Massachusetts to Virginia" (pp.30-40) Henry J. Retzer, translator, "Journal of the Hessen-Hanau Infantry Regiment Erbprinz kepot by Judge-Advocate Paul Wihelm Sxhaeffer -- March 1776 to April 1777, plus Letters to his Parents." (pp.40-42) Henry J. Retzer, translator, "Journal of the Hessen-Hanau Erbprinz Infantry Regiment -- June to August 1777 -- kept by Chaplain Philipp Theobald." John Merz put a lot on material in the AMREV-HESSIANS archives on the subject of the Albemarle barracks at Charlotteville and also on Winchester. You will find references to articles written by Lion G. Miles of which photocopies are available for purchase from the Winchester Library. I think it will be well worth your time to go through the archives To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L Good luck, Bob Brooks ----- Original Message ----- From: "richard hackenberger" <rhackenb@mail.win.org> To: "Bob Brooks" <rcbrooks@pivot.net> Cc: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Jakob Hachenberger > Hello Bob, > Thanks for taking the time to delve further into my query. Census takers > and transcriptions vary the name from HACHENBERGER, HACKENBERGER, > HAGENBERGER, HOCKENBERGER, HOCHENBERGER and more I haven't discovered as > yet. Jim Stokes on the Lancaster, PA List was kind enough to check Rupp's > "History of Lancaster County" [p.411] back in May of last year. He quoted > the passage of Rupp's interview with Jakob as follows: > > "... In September, 1843, we visited one of the German mercenaries, living > at Millpoert, Warwich Township; a Mr. Jacob Hagenberger, who according to > his own statement, was born March 3d, 1750, arrived at Quebeck, March 5, > 1775. He belonged to Captain Schachter's company; he was taken prisoner at > the surrender of General Burgoyne, October 17, 1777; taken to the barracks > near Boston, thence to Winchester, Virginia, thence to Reading, and lastly > to Lancaster, where, on the close of the war, he was sold for eighty > dollars, for the term of nearly three years to Captain Jacob Zimmerman, of > Earl township. Hagenberger is now in his 94th year. His health is good and > memory remarkable." [It was probably 80 pounds in those days...] > > Recently, I also found a record through AncestryPlus [Passenger and > Immigration Lists Index (PILI) showing HACHENBERGER, JAKOB "Location > Quebec" on pages 73, 173 and 174 of "Hessische Truppen Im Amerikanischen > Unabhaengigkeitskreig (Hetrina): Index nach Familiennamen / Hanauische > Regimenter. (Marbureg: Archivschule) (Veroeffentlichungen der > Aruchvivsschule Marburg, Institut fuer Archivwissenschaft, Nr. 10) Band > VI, Heft 1: A-L. Marburg, 1987. Band VI, Heft 2: M-Z. Marburg, 1987. My > disadvantage is that I neither read nor speak German. Nor do I know where > to find these volumes. > Additional men listed of this same surname were "Christian", "Jost" and > "Wilhem / Guilliam". I have found no U.S. records for any of these other > three though I'm aware that there are some HACKENBERGER folks living in > Canada to this day. > > I also checked the JSHA which linked me to the F&M archives list which > showed "Box 24, folder 4, Jacob Hachenberger" and emailed the contact > person for imformation on getting copies of those files.The JSHA does list > in their "Researched Soldiers" JOHANN GEORG HACHENBERGER who was either a > brother or cousin to Jacob. His listing shows "Hesse-Hanau; Schwalheim; > Musketeer; Erbprinz Reg., Co. 5; HETRINA Vol VI; Captured at Saratoga; > Indentured himself at Lancaster; Remained after the war and settled at > Donegal Township, Lancaster County." I have a good bit on this 5th > HACHENBERGER. I check as many as possible so that I might either include > or exclude them. Those of the HACKENBERG or HACHENBERG surname are > completely unrelated lines. > > So, after all my long-winded revelations here, do you have any further > suggestions for me? I appreciate all the help I can get. Thanks again, > > Toni Hackenberger > St. Peters, MO

Hi Bob Brook, I just recently signed up for web site. I read about it in the Sons of the Am. Revolution magazine (my husband is a member). Would you mind looking up my ancestor in on the list of prisoners held at Lancaster? His last name was Shotzberger and the family is not clear which brother, Christopher or Zachariah, was the Hessian. Christopher married and was buried in Snyder, Pa. The Hessian soldier according to family lore was held as a POW on a farm in Pennsylvania. Really appreciate your help and am really enjoying the web site. Thanks to John Merz. Bob Brooks <rcbrooks@pivot.net> wrote: Richard -- In _Johannes Schwalm The Hessian_ (Johannes Schwalm Historical Assoc., 1976), pp. 229-241, is "A Combined List of prisoners held at Lancaster 1777-1778" containing a list of 712 German and 49 British POWs with the names of employers for about half the Germans. Alas, this list does not include a POW named JAKOB HACHENBERGER nor an employer named Captain Jakob Zimmerman. In fact, the list does not include a POW hamed Hachenberger or any similar name. As for employers, Bernard Zimmerman of Hempfield is listed as employing both Ludwig Landwehr of 2.Kompanie, Regiment von Los�erg, and Wilhelm Steinbrecker of Leibkompanie, Regiment von Knyphausen. In _Hessische Truppen im Amerikanischen Unabhangigkeitskrieg (HETRINA), Index nach Familiennamen_ [Hessian roops in the American Independencewar (HETRINA) Index by Familynames], vols II and III, I fail to find anyone named Hachenberger. These volumes cover the three regiments which were captured at Trenton NJ on 26 Dec 1776; i.e., Regiment von Lo�berg, Regiment von Knyphausen, and Regiment Rall. I do not own HETRINA vol I which includes the composite Grenidier Battalions. Bob Brooks ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Merz" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:49 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Re: PML - > Forwarded to the Hessian Soldiers mail list: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "richard hackenberger" > Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 4:41 PM > >> Source: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Will do lookups-Zimmerman's Family History > 1720-1988 >> >> Hello Wanda, >> What a generous offer! I do not have a ZIMMERMAN in our lineage but >> understand that after the Battle of Saratoga, my husband's 4th >> Great-grandfather, a Hessian Grenadier, was listed as indentured to a >> CAPT. JACOB ZIMMERMAN of Lancaster. I would like to know where this >> Capt. lived. Later marriage and birth records [after 1783] show our >> JAKOB HACHENBERGER as living in Earl Twp. >> >> Toni H. >> St. Peters, MO >> >> blabonteluvr@aol.com wrote: >> >I have temporary access to the book > "Zimmerman's Family History 1720-1988" - Mennonites). > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > For Hessian research in Canada contact the Marilyn Adams Genealogical > Research Centre, Ameliasburg, Ontario e-mail 7thtownmagrc@kos.net or check > the mail list archives of this list for address. > You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going > from one message to another. > To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > **************** > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== Mail List archives are your best bet to find information,You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L To unsubscribe from the -D version of the list:AMREV-HESSIANS-D-request@rootsweb.com and write one single word unsubscribe in subject line and text field. No other words or explanations or it won't work. you must unsub from the version you are subscribed to -D for that address and -L for that one, don't get them mixed up...or you won't unsubscribe. ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi, message forwarded to list..hi you need to join list to post... but I forwarded your message to the list nelda ----Original Message Follows---- From: richard hackenberger <rhackenb@mail.win.org> To: Bob Brooks <rcbrooks@pivot.net> CC: Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [HESSIAN] Jakob Hachenberger Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 22:13:16 -0600 Hello Bob, Thanks for taking the time to delve further into my query. Census takers and transcriptions vary the name from HACHENBERGER, HACKENBERGER, HAGENBERGER, HOCKENBERGER, HOCHENBERGER and more I haven't discovered as yet. Jim Stokes on the Lancaster, PA List was kind enough to check Rupp's "History of Lancaster County" [p.411] back in May of last year. He quoted the passage of Rupp's interview with Jakob as follows: "... In September, 1843, we visited one of the German mercenaries, living at Millpoert, Warwich Township; a Mr. Jacob Hagenberger, who according to his own statement, was born March 3d, 1750, arrived at Quebeck, March 5, 1775. He belonged to Captain Schachter's company; he was taken prisoner at the surrender of General Burgoyne, October 17, 1777; taken to the barracks near Boston, thence to Winchester, Virginia, thence to Reading, and lastly to Lancaster, where, on the close of the war, he was sold for eighty dollars, for the term of nearly three years to Captain Jacob Zimmerman, of Earl township. Hagenberger is now in his 94th year. His health is good and memory remarkable." [It was probably 80 pounds in those days...] Recently, I also found a record through AncestryPlus [Passenger and Immigration Lists Index (PILI) showing HACHENBERGER, JAKOB "Location Quebec" on pages 73, 173 and 174 of "Hessische Truppen Im Amerikanischen Unabhaengigkeitskreig (Hetrina): Index nach Familiennamen / Hanauische Regimenter. (Marbureg: Archivschule) (Veroeffentlichungen der Aruchvivsschule Marburg, Institut fuer Archivwissenschaft, Nr. 10) Band VI, Heft 1: A-L. Marburg, 1987. Band VI, Heft 2: M-Z. Marburg, 1987. My disadvantage is that I neither read nor speak German. Nor do I know where to find these volumes. Additional men listed of this same surname were "Christian", "Jost" and "Wilhem / Guilliam". I have found no U.S. records for any of these other three though I'm aware that there are some HACKENBERGER folks living in Canada to this day. I also checked the JSHA which linked me to the F&M archives list which showed "Box 24, folder 4, Jacob Hachenberger" and emailed the contact person for imformation on getting copies of those files.The JSHA does list in their "Researched Soldiers" JOHANN GEORG HACHENBERGER who was either a brother or cousin to Jacob. His listing shows "Hesse-Hanau; Schwalheim; Musketeer; Erbprinz Reg., Co. 5; HETRINA Vol VI; Captured at Saratoga; Indentured himself at Lancaster; Remained after the war and settled at Donegal Township, Lancaster County." I have a good bit on this 5th HACHENBERGER. I check as many as possible so that I might either include or exclude them. Those of the HACKENBERG or HACHENBERG surname are completely unrelated lines. So, after all my long-winded revelations here, do you have any further suggestions for me? I appreciate all the help I can get. Thanks again, Toni Hackenberger St. Peters, MO Bob Brooks wrote: >Richard -- > >In _Johannes Schwalm The Hessian_ (Johannes Schwalm Historical Assoc., >1976), pp. 229-241, is "A Combined List of prisoners held at Lancaster >1777-1778" containing a list of 712 German and 49 British POWs with the >names of employers for about half the Germans. Alas, this list does not >include a POW named JAKOB HACHENBERGER nor an employer named Captain Jakob >Zimmerman. In fact, the list does not include a POW hamed Hachenberger or >any similar name. As for employers, Bernard Zimmerman of Hempfield is >listed as employing both Ludwig Landwehr of 2.Kompanie, Regiment von >Los?erg, and Wilhelm Steinbrecker of Leibkompanie, Regiment von Knyphausen. > >In _Hessische Truppen im Amerikanischen Unabhangigkeitskrieg (HETRINA), >Index nach Familiennamen_ [Hessian roops in the American Independencewar >(HETRINA) Index by Familynames], vols II and III, I fail to find anyone >named Hachenberger. These volumes cover the three regiments which were >captured at Trenton NJ on 26 Dec 1776; i.e., Regiment von Lo?berg, Regiment >von Knyphausen, and Regiment Rall. I do not own HETRINA vol I which >includes the composite Grenidier Battalions. > >Bob Brooks > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "John Merz" <hessian@sympatico.ca> >To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:49 PM >Subject: [HESSIAN] Re: PML - > > >>Forwarded to the Hessian Soldiers mail list: >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "richard hackenberger" >><rhackenb@mail.win.org> >>Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 4:41 PM >> >>>Source: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com >>>Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Will do lookups-Zimmerman's Family History >> >>1720-1988 >> >>> >>>Hello Wanda, >>>What a generous offer! I do not have a ZIMMERMAN in our lineage but >>>understand that after the Battle of Saratoga, my husband's 4th >>>Great-grandfather, a Hessian Grenadier, was listed as indentured to a >>>CAPT. JACOB ZIMMERMAN of Lancaster. I would like to know where this >>>Capt. lived. Later marriage and birth records [after 1783] show our >>>JAKOB HACHENBERGER as living in Earl Twp. >>> >>>Toni H. >>>St. Peters, MO >>> >>>blabonteluvr@aol.com wrote: >>> >I have temporary access to the book >> >>"Zimmerman's Family History 1720-1988" - Mennonites). >> >> >>==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== >>For Hessian research in Canada contact the Marilyn Adams Genealogical >>Research Centre, Ameliasburg, Ontario e-mail 7thtownmagrc@kos.net or check >>the mail list archives of this list for address. >>You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going >>from one message to another. >>To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS >>To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L >>**************** >> >>============================== >>Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >>http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> >> > > >

Hello Bob, I don't have my Hetrina Volumes anymore, gave them all up as you know, but our mal list archives do have quite a bit of interesting stuff, like this one from 2001. The Schwalm book and the list you quoted deal with the POWs from Trenton Christmas 1776, but here was Saratoga mentioned. I bet there is more to find in the archives. Cheers, John Merz (retired on Lake Ontario) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 22:42:36 -0500 From: "John Merz" <hessian@cgocable.net> To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <021d01c0ab6f$a55b0860$c259e218@hala1.on.home.com> Subject: [HESSIANS] Re: hockenberry or harter (Hachenberger) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh Molli, oh Mollie, I am exhausted, wanted to prove to you that your Hockenberry really is one of my two Hachenberger's, Christian the younger, and Jakob the older, either brothers or at least cousins, born in the same village of Schwalheim, now 61231 Bad Nauheim/Hessen. You see, those two Hesse-Hanau soldiers were captured at Saratoga, and in 1782 indentured themselves in Pennsylvania for 3 years. They are missing since, and I have not had any calls for them either. So what I did was to check with Rootsweb www.rootsweb.com and when the homepage came up, I entered Hachenberger and it did not respond. Then I entered Hockenberry, and the flood gates opened. I don't know how many familiy researchers are chasing information, but there are over 850 entries in the 'WorldConnect' system alone, hundreds of other postings in all categories, but it seems to me that there is utter confusion, and only once did I see a remark 'Hackenberg' as a possible German name. Seems to me that there is a gap in the recordings of the family tree during the time of the American Revolution and appr. 1800, but they do have one Henry Hockenberry born in Germany in 1740, son of a Peter H. born in 1718 in the Palatine, there is one couple married in 1764 in Cumberland, PA, but their fisrt child is born abt.1777, the next in 1785 and a few more up to 1795. All very confusing, so I gave up. The name Hachenberger nowhere to be found. Where are those guys? Regards, John :( From: Fred and Mollie Brown Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 7:27 PM I am looking for an ancestor whom I was told was a Hessian mercenary in the American Revolution. After the war he settled in Pennsylvania. His surname was either Hockenberry or Harter. That's all the information I have. Perhaps you could help me. Thank you, Mollie Brown ______________________________ ------------------------------

Richard -- In _Johannes Schwalm The Hessian_ (Johannes Schwalm Historical Assoc., 1976), pp. 229-241, is "A Combined List of prisoners held at Lancaster 1777-1778" containing a list of 712 German and 49 British POWs with the names of employers for about half the Germans. Alas, this list does not include a POW named JAKOB HACHENBERGER nor an employer named Captain Jakob Zimmerman. In fact, the list does not include a POW hamed Hachenberger or any similar name. As for employers, Bernard Zimmerman of Hempfield is listed as employing both Ludwig Landwehr of 2.Kompanie, Regiment von Losßerg, and Wilhelm Steinbrecker of Leibkompanie, Regiment von Knyphausen. In _Hessische Truppen im Amerikanischen Unabhangigkeitskrieg (HETRINA), Index nach Familiennamen_ [Hessian roops in the American Independencewar (HETRINA) Index by Familynames], vols II and III, I fail to find anyone named Hachenberger. These volumes cover the three regiments which were captured at Trenton NJ on 26 Dec 1776; i.e., Regiment von Loßberg, Regiment von Knyphausen, and Regiment Rall. I do not own HETRINA vol I which includes the composite Grenidier Battalions. Bob Brooks ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Merz" <hessian@sympatico.ca> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:49 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Re: PML - > Forwarded to the Hessian Soldiers mail list: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "richard hackenberger" <rhackenb@mail.win.org> > Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 4:41 PM > >> Source: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Will do lookups-Zimmerman's Family History > 1720-1988 >> >> Hello Wanda, >> What a generous offer! I do not have a ZIMMERMAN in our lineage but >> understand that after the Battle of Saratoga, my husband's 4th >> Great-grandfather, a Hessian Grenadier, was listed as indentured to a >> CAPT. JACOB ZIMMERMAN of Lancaster. I would like to know where this >> Capt. lived. Later marriage and birth records [after 1783] show our >> JAKOB HACHENBERGER as living in Earl Twp. >> >> Toni H. >> St. Peters, MO >> >> blabonteluvr@aol.com wrote: >> >I have temporary access to the book > "Zimmerman's Family History 1720-1988" - Mennonites). > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > For Hessian research in Canada contact the Marilyn Adams Genealogical > Research Centre, Ameliasburg, Ontario e-mail 7thtownmagrc@kos.net or check > the mail list archives of this list for address. > You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going > from one message to another. > To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > **************** > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

Forwarded to the Hessian Soldiers mail list: ----- Original Message ----- From: "richard hackenberger" <rhackenb@mail.win.org> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 4:41 PM > Source: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Will do lookups-Zimmerman's Family History 1720-1988 > > Hello Wanda, > What a generous offer! I do not have a ZIMMERMAN in our lineage but > understand that after the Battle of Saratoga, my husband's 4th > Great-grandfather, a Hessian Grenadier, was listed as indentured to a > CAPT. JACOB ZIMMERMAN of Lancaster. I would like to know where this > Capt. lived. Later marriage and birth records [after 1783] show our > JAKOB HACHENBERGER as living in Earl Twp. > > Toni H. > St. Peters, MO > > blabonteluvr@aol.com wrote: > >I have temporary access to the book "Zimmerman's Family History 1720-1988" - Mennonites).

Hi & Thanks Geri, Where do you get the smarts, energy & time? Nevertheless, Thanks so much. Barry PS: JIC, all, or most all, members of von Heers Dragoons were supposedly Hessians Barry Wetherington ============================================================ Reppert, Jacob, BLW#13643-100-12 Jan 1796, srv as Pvt in Von Heer's Corps - Pension ============================================================ Source: PABERKS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PABERKS] REPPERT --Jacob Ruppert of Von Heer's Light Dragoons Rev War Service Repert Jacob or as Jacob Ruppert, srv as Pvt in German Bttn of Cont. Troops Rupper, Jacob, or as Jacob Ruppert srv in German Bttn, Cont. Troops Ruppert, Jacob, German Bttn Cont Troops Rupptert, Jacob see Jacob Ruppert Pension Reppert, Jacob, BLW#13643-100-12 Jan 1796, srv as Pvt in Von Heer's Corps. Best Wishes, Geri

Please forgive me if this is a repeat-post, but I didn't see my earlier posting come through. I received this recently, ordered the kit, and thought others might be interested. The following is the text of the announcement: --- start of quote The Genographic Project has two main components. One is the collection and field analysis of DNA samples from more than 100,000 members of the last remaining indigenous populations on the planet -- compiling one of the largest DNA collections ever assembled. In addition, we're inviting members of the general public to take part by purchasing cheek swab kits and submitting their own DNA for analysis. Individuals will then receive customized genetic maps with specific details of the migratory paths followed by their own ancestors. --- end of quote If anyone is interested, visit: http://nationalgeographic.com/genographic Craig J. Conrad

This is the Bartholomew von Heer Dragoons (or "the Marechaussee Corps") Roster. For more info, see: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/textindices/H/HEER+2003+39481705+F, http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/HEER/2005-02/1107911952 & http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/h/heer.html It appears that all, or at least the vast majority of members were Hessians from the PA area, as Congress apparently mandated & as Gen'l Washington established. This Troop established the Provost authority (MPs, etc) of the American military, pursuant to Genl Washingtons order, and was also assigned add'l duty as mounted 'Lifeguards' for the General. Barry Wetherington "State of a troop of light dragoons, having been raised in the Pennsylvania State, and commanded by Capt. von Heer, September 16, 1780, (at Tappan, New York.)" Captain von Heer, Bartholomew------Reading, from captain in Procter's artilery. First Lieutenant------------------------Jacob Mytinger Second Lieutenant---------------------Philip Strubeng Sergeants Harker, Franz----------------November 1, 1778 Hess, George----------------Philadephia, September 1, 1778 Mutter (Nutter), John-------July 1 1778; promoted lieutenant Trumpeters Wolf, Lewis---------------Pottsgrove, July 1, 1778; Died in Philadelphia, August 20, 1830, aged 83.; Reading, January 1, 1778; resided in Jonestown, Lebanon Co., in 1632. (??? 1832? bw 2001) Corporals Ekstine, David------------------Philadelphia, July 12, 1778. Effingar, John Ignatius---------Pottsgrove, August 1, 1778; discharged July 1783:resided in Woodstock, Shenandoah Co., VA in 1834. Wachter, Anthony--------------Philadelphia, July 10, 1778. Shafer, Jacob-------------------Philadelphia, July 1, 1778. Smith, Philip--------------------Philadelphia, July 10, 1778: resided in Berks Co., in 1835, aged 81. Privates Adam, John---------------------Philadelphia, July 12, 1778. Barth (Bard), Stephen---------Lancaster, May 15, 1779; resided in Berks Co., in 1835, aged 81. Bauman, John------------------Philadelphia, September 1, 1779. Curutz, Sebastian--------------Reading, April 1, 1780. Dareler, Christian-------------Hessen, Philadelphia, September 1, 1778; died July 20, 1821, Lebanon Co., aged 71. Durie, John---------------------Philadelphia, September 1, 1778. Eicholtz, John------------------Somerset, February 15, 1778. Engelhaupt, John --------------Mt. Pleasant, July 1, 1779; promoted corporal. Frank, Henry-------------------Hessen, November 15, 1778. Franforter, Henry--------------Lancaster, August 31, 1778; resided in Dauphin Co., in 1838, aged 81. Gerlach, John------------------Pottsgrove, July 1, 1778. Green, Casper-----------------Philadelphia, August 1, 1778. Gruber, Valentine-------------Pottsgrove, March 16, 1779; resided in Bedford Co., in 1835, aged 83. Grulich, Philip-----------------Pottsgrove, August 12, 1778. Hauser, Casper----------------Philadelphia, August 27, 1778. Howe, William----------------November 1, 1778. Kaiser, Lewis------------------Pottsgrove, March 16, 1779. Kratzer, John------------------Philadelphia, September 1, 1778. Mueller, Frederick------------Reading, August 1, 1780. Mueller, Jacob----------------Pottsgrove, August 1 1778. Newman, Philip---------------Pottsgrove, August 16, 1776. Pfaffenbach, Andres----------Hessen, November 1, 1778. Picard, Philip------------------Philadelphia, September 1, 1778. Reiss, Henry------------------Hessen, Pottsgrove, August 1, 1778. Shumann, Charles------------Reading, April 1, 1780. Swartz, Leonard--------------Pottsgrove, July 24, 1778. Slevoigt, John----------------Somerset, February 1, 1779. Stadeiman, John--------------Philadelphia, September 1, 1778. Stapper, Andres--------------Lancaster, August 20, 1778. Strauss, Diedrich ------------Pottsgrove, July 24, 1778. Titius (Tecius), Frederick---Reading, March 15, 1780. Turk, John--------------------Jersey, July 1, 1780. Ullick, John-------------------Philadelphia, September 1, 1778. Wilheim, Baitser-------------Hessen, October 15, 1778. Willhauser, Henry-----------Reading, April 1, 1780. Woolsey, Isac---------------Philadelphia, August 1, 1778. Zabern, David----------------Philadelphia, July 20, 1778. Zapz, John-------------------October 1,1778. Ziegler, Henry---------------Reading, May 1, 1780. Zink, Abraham---------------Pottsgrove, August 1, 1778. Zullick, Henry---------------Hessen, Philadelphia, August 1, 1778. WAR OFFICE, January 12, 1781 I certify that the above return is exactly conformable to a return of Capt. von Heer's Corps, filed in this office, under the resolution of Congress, of March 15, 1779, by which it appears that one lieutenant and forty-two non-commissioned officers and privates belong to the State of Pennsylvania. BEN. STODDERT, Secretary. Return of a troop of Light Dragoons raised by Capt. Bartholomew von Heer, agreeable to the old establishment, in 1778, for the American Service: One captain, four lieutenants, one clerk, three sergeants, five corporals, two trumpets, forty-three privates. Men whose time will expire before the 1st of November 1782. Brath, Henry----------------July 1, 1782. Brath, Stephen--------------May 15, 1782. Engelhaupt, John-----------corporal, July 1, 1782. Gruber, Valentine----------March 16, 1782. Howe, William-------------expired and not reenlisted. Saugarat, Joseph-----------clerk, May 15, 1782. Slevoight, John-------------Feb. 1, 1782. Men remaining in the troop. Buob, Joseph Curutz, Sebastian Hiller, John George, trumpeter Kratzer, John Mueller, Frederick Titius (Tecius), Frederick Ziegler, Henry Men enlisted who have not received their bounty. Laffelof, Henry Morris, John Pape, Robert Reiss, Henry Robert, George Roster, Frederick Strouss, Diedrich Thurn, Peter----------August 1, 1778, resided in Ross Co., OH., 1834. Weikell, John Wilheim, Balser Yachter, John To the above establishment to complete the Troop are wanting 47, whereof are eleven enlisted, but not received bounty. For the complement, are forty-five horses wanting as the horses having been deliver'd to the Quart. Mr.,By order of the Board of war, when the men had been discharged last year. March 1, 1782 BARTH'W VON HEER, Capt. L Dr. Names of Soldiers of von Heer's Dragoons, Taken from Pension Papers Privates Anthony, George----------------died in Jackson Co., OH, August 15, 1833, aged 79. Baclet, Jacob [Barlet according to pension and Order, GGG Gs Barry Wetherington 1/20/2001] Boyer, Lewis---------------------resided in Miami Co., OH, 1843; died 1842. Burkhardt, John------------------November 1, 1778. Brown, Peter Campbell, Alexander Cryobck, Peter-------------------died June 21, 1822, Berks Co., aged 81. Eisnack, Andrew Fox, Andrew----------------------resided in Berks Co., in 1835. Fox (Fuchs), David--------------Reading, 1778, trumpeter, resided in Berks Co., in 1835, aged 69. Fox (Fuchs), Jacob--------------Reading, 1778; resided in Pleasant Twp., Fairfield Co., OH in 1834. Fox (Fuchs), Frederick---------1779; brother of Jacob, resided in Shenandoah Co., VA in 1829. Fricker, George-----------------resided in Reading in 1787. Fricker, Peter-------------------died December 26, 1827 in Berks Co., 62. Ginser, Henry Graff, Frederick-----------------resided in Berks Co., in 1786. Koch, Adam---------------------died May 27, 1827, Berks Co. O'Bryan, Andrew Ox, Peter------------------------1782, resided in Huntingdon Co., in 1818. Richtmeyer, Daniel-------------Reading, 1778. Ruppert, Jacob------------------August 1, 1778; resided Berks Co., in 1831. Sechier, Michael----------------1781; discharged at Philadelphia, December31, 1783; residing in Lycoming Co., 1825. Sheyman, Philip Taylor, Marthew----------------died in Baltimore Co., MD in 1818, aged 67. Trisher, Thomas-----------------August 1, 1780. Wagner, John--------------------resided in Sanduski Co., OH in 1834. Wolf, Ludwig Zopple, Peter Scan of the Roster - Reformatted and reprinted from copy obtained from the Berks County Genealogy Society; Jan-Feb. 1987 =========== PS: If interested, I can email/attach for those replying a copy of the extraordinary AmRev pension order which contains the handwritten names of Genl Washington, Barth von Heer & my ancestor Jacob Barlett.

I have contacted this collection several times, for very obscure information, and they have never failed to get back with me, and with more than I usually asked for. They will definately come through for you. Ingrid

Thanks much. Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: <PerfumerCA@cs.com> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Johannes Schwalm History Assoc > Karen, > > I am on the board of the JSHA and will forward your note on to the > appropriate person. I am sorry there has been a delay for whatever the > reason, but all > of the boardmembers serve voluntary positions and sometimes things take > longer > than we would like. In any case, I'll make sure your message is passed > on. > > Best, > Carol > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going > from one message to another. > To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > **************** > To unsubscribe: send an email to AMREV-HESSIANS-L-request@rootsweb.com > and write one single word unsubscribe in subject line and text field. > No other words or explanations or it won't work. > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >

Karen, I am on the board of the JSHA and will forward your note on to the appropriate person. I am sorry there has been a delay for whatever the reason, but all of the boardmembers serve voluntary positions and sometimes things take longer than we would like. In any case, I'll make sure your message is passed on. Best, Carol

Has anyone recently ordered any publications from this organization. I placed an order on February 2, my check cleared my bank on Feb 28 but I have not received the order. Their website does not have a phone number to call and the inquiry I placed via E-mail has not been answered. Any suggestions????? Karen

The American Revolution website is still working http://www.americanrevolution.org/home.html<http://www.americanrevolutionorg/home.html> . Once on site click on Scholars Showcase. Click on Hessians in the Scholars Showcase. The link for Edward J. Lowell's writings on "The Hessians and other German Auxiliaries of Great Britain in the Revolutionary War" comes right up ...http://www.americanrevolution.org/hessindex.html<http://www.americanrevolution.org/hessindex.html>. Beverly Aulick Schmitz Descendant of Pvt Karl Aulich (aka Charles Aulick), Co. 4, Regiment v. Bose. Captured at the battle of Yorktown; POW at Ft. Frederick until the end of the war. Remained in American and "left the Hessians in 1783"