Hello dear Mary-Ann, to clear up a misunderstanding - I can and do receive all kinds of pictures via e-mail, but I CANNOT print them out because I have no working colour printer. Actually, I have, but I have no colour cartridges in them, because I use them so seldom, they have tried up. Keep trying up, and at the prices of those darn things, I stopped replacing them :--) It is now to late to mail per regular mail, but I do have a few good pictures to show in Hanau. So - don't worry. Yours John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary-Anne McCullough" <maepm1@cox.net> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 12:38 AM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Trip to Hanau, Germany. in June 2005. > John, > Do I understand you can NOT receive and print photos via e-mail? > for your trip to Hanau?? > Mary -Anne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john" <jmerz@cogeco.ca>

In a message dated 6/5/2005 5:57:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ELQuinter@aol.com writes: I'm not surprised Schaefer was Reformed. About 40-45% of all PA Germans were Reformed, in Berks possibly more. Edward Quinter Allentown PA My Hessian , Conrad Luther , married 1787 and bp 4 children in Lancaster city First Reformed Church. Then for some reason I found one child bp at Holy Trinity Lutheran Church in Lancaster. Jean Sharbaugh

peggy t wrote: >This is of interest to me not just because of the possibility of being a comrad of Gottlieb Westphal... >one of my mother's sisters married a Schaeffer... Which Schaeffer? There are so many--and spelled different ways for the same person. Jeri

John... Thanks for the update, but the comment about the Lutherans of the Reformed Church was not mine...it comes from Daniel Quinn. Lots of good info about Reformed Churches, though. Jeri ----- Original Message ----- From: <john112g3@aol.com> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Quaker/Lutheran > Just intruding a bit here but I wish to comment on the first sentence re: "...of many descendants of Christian Schaffer--ALL LUTHERANS OF THE REFORMED CHURCH, as was he." The Lutheran Church began in the 16th century "Reformation". The "Reformed" churches, too, had their beginnings in the 16th century growing out of the work of John Calvin of Geneva and Ulrich Zwingli of Zurich. Today, the "Reformed" churches of the world generally are loosely joined in the World Alliance of Reformed Churches (WARC). Today, most of the Presbyterian denominations (not all!) are members of WARC. Lutheran churches are not included in this group and are not generally known as "Reformed" churches. > Reading between your lines, Jeri, I believe that the 'many descendants of Christian Shaffer' were probably NOT Lutheran but rather were of members the "German" Reformed Church. Over the centuries this denomination became a part of today's UCC or United Church of Christ, another WARC denomination. Others who merged into UCC were the "Christian Church" and the Congregational Churches, primarily found in New England. > I hope this is helpful. > John M. Rhodes (a descendant of all of the above <sigh>) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeri Schindler <2shins@charter.net> > To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 10:32:37 -0700 > Subject: [HESSIAN] Quaker/Lutheran > > > Hi Barb, > > > I'm curious about the information that Berks County was largely Quaker. > > OOPS! I had previously checked the Berks County list of churches and found the > baptismal records of many descendents of Christian Schaffer--all Lutherans of > the Reformed Church, as was he. > > The Quaker info came from List-member Daniel Quinn. Actually, he states that > "Exeter was Quaker. The Schaffers were > Reformed mostly." I certainly misquoted him--mea culpa, my apologies to you and > the List. While in the county, Exeter it is not the County. > Dan Quinn's Schaffers arrived in the early 1700s and just what the religious > breakdown was at that time I don't know. > > Jeri > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > 6000 Hessian soldiers remained in North America after the end of the war in > 1783. The majority settled in the Eastern United States and Canada. > You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from > one message to another. > To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > HETRINA - "Hessische Truppen im Amerikanischen Unabhaengigkeitskrieg" > Six Volumes covering Hessen-Kassel, Hessen-Hanau, and Waldeck. > HETRINA does not cover Braunschweig/Brunswick, Ansbach-Bayreuth or Anhalt-Zerbst. Those are partly covered by other publications. > This list was started in 1998 by Johannes (John) Helmut Merz, and you will find his explanations about HETRINA in our mail list archives. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

John, Do I understand you can NOT receive and print photos via e-mail? for your trip to Hanau?? Mary -Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" <jmerz@cogeco.ca> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 7:36 AM Subject: [HESSIAN] Trip to Hanau, Germany. in June 2005. > Hello Hessians; > > I am invited to Hanau to meet the Landrat and some > Buergermeisters, and so I am flying on 14.June with > my grandson Pauli to Frankfurt. My good wife Emmi is > in no shape to fly, and I am so sorry to have to go without > her. Right now she is giving Pauli exact instructions how > to look after me, when to take my pills, put my heart patches > on, carry my bags, etc. > > Anyway, reason why I write - > Is there anything I can show in Hanau in respect to my > Hessian collection at the S.A.R. Library in Louisville, Ky. > Pictures, webpages, leaflets, anything would be helpful. > I do have the SAR Magazine with the article by Howard F. Horne, > This was a real fine piece, and has had some good responses. > Whatever I can get I would like to leave with the Hanau people, > for their archives and collections. > > What I am really hoping for perhaps a picture of a Hessian > descendant (or descendants) in front of the S.A.R. display. > (How about Charles?) > > I will have a very hectic time between now and the time > I leave, and over in Germany I'll have a full schedule, hardly > will have time to come up to catch some breath, but with Pauli's > help I hope to be able to manage. After all, my 81 years are > definitely showing. > > Thanks in advance for all your help > Btw. notice my new e-mail address - You know I did retire > from the Hessians. > Yours > > John Helmut Merz, > Hamilton, Ontario, Canada jmerz@cogeco.ca > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > Please stick to our published subject - Hessian Soldiers of the > American Revolution, not WWII or the Civil War. No other Immigrants. > You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going > from one message to another. > To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

Just intruding a bit here but I wish to comment on the first sentence re: "...of many descendants of Christian Schaffer--ALL LUTHERANS OF THE REFORMED CHURCH, as was he." The Lutheran Church began in the 16th century "Reformation". The "Reformed" churches, too, had their beginnings in the 16th century growing out of the work of John Calvin of Geneva and Ulrich Zwingli of Zurich. Today, the "Reformed" churches of the world generally are loosely joined in the World Alliance of Reformed Churches (WARC). Today, most of the Presbyterian denominations (not all!) are members of WARC. Lutheran churches are not included in this group and are not generally known as "Reformed" churches. Reading between your lines, Jeri, I believe that the 'many descendants of Christian Shaffer' were probably NOT Lutheran but rather were of members the "German" Reformed Church. Over the centuries this denomination became a part of today's UCC or United Church of Christ, another WARC denomination. Others who merged into UCC were the "Christian Church" and the Congregational Churches, primarily found in New England. I hope this is helpful. John M. Rhodes (a descendant of all of the above <sigh>) -----Original Message----- From: Jeri Schindler <2shins@charter.net> To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 10:32:37 -0700 Subject: [HESSIAN] Quaker/Lutheran Hi Barb, > I'm curious about the information that Berks County was largely Quaker. OOPS! I had previously checked the Berks County list of churches and found the baptismal records of many descendents of Christian Schaffer--all Lutherans of the Reformed Church, as was he. The Quaker info came from List-member Daniel Quinn. Actually, he states that "Exeter was Quaker. The Schaffers were Reformed mostly." I certainly misquoted him--mea culpa, my apologies to you and the List. While in the county, Exeter it is not the County. Dan Quinn's Schaffers arrived in the early 1700s and just what the religious breakdown was at that time I don't know. Jeri ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== 6000 Hessian soldiers remained in North America after the end of the war in 1783. The majority settled in the Eastern United States and Canada. You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Greetings: I want to offer my thoghts about the recent Schaefer communications re Quaker, Lutheran of the Reformed Church, etc. Yes, there were Quakers in Exeter Twp, Berks County, established 1752. To say that it was a Quaker township or county would be inaccurate. The predominent Protestant faiths at that time were Lutheran or Reformed. They are not the same. (There were not any Catholics yet to speak of.) In many areas there were many more Reformed than Lutheran, although today the word Lutheran is definitely more recognizable. The Reformed Church changed it's name several times, and the most recent appelation that people might recognize is the UCC Church. People from that area (Southeastern PA) know this. My personal bias is that it never should have changed, and should have stayed Reformed Church. These were of course the German/ Swiss Calvinists, theological descendants of Zwingli also, who often shared "union churches" in the Homeland and also here in the "Neuland". Similar to Presbyterians in the English-speaking world and were often referrred to as such, even though they had German language services. They were also close to the Mennonites in theology. The Reformeds have a proud tradtion, Franklin and Marshall itself being established by Reformed leaders early on. I'm not surprised Schaefer was Reformed. About 40-45% of all PA Germans were Reformed, in Berks possibly more. Edward Quinter Allentown PA

You may also remember that Revolutionary War history mentions that the Quakers were religious pacifists, the earliest recognized conscientious objectors, and could claim exclusion from compulsory militia enrollment and military service. Not all did so. There are many examples of Quaker's serving in the state militia's and the Continental Army. It seemed largely to be based on the Quaker Meeting and individual choice. In fact, the Rev. War experience did much to undermine the Quaker's and to cause the nonconformists to migrate west. The Quaker's, as a unified religious movement, never truly recovered their former prestige. Some of the Patriots became actively anti-Quaker and in many communities this set the tone. Gen. Washington himself said and wrote derogatory comments about Quaker pacifism. Don Fehlings Renton, Washington, USA Tel: 425/255-8588 Dfehlings@aol.com

Jeri etal, While there were Quakers in Berks Co., it appears that many others who were Reformed German or anabaptist faiths were listed as Quakers in the Loyalty Oath lists because they would not swear an oath, but affirmed their loyalty instead. BTW, Exeter is a township formed in 1741, while Berks was still part of Philadelphia Co. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeri Schindler" <2shins@charter.net> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 1:32 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Quaker/Lutheran > Hi Barb, > >> I'm curious about the information that Berks County was largely Quaker. > > OOPS! I had previously checked the Berks County list of churches and > found the baptismal records of many descendents of Christian Schaffer--all > Lutherans of the Reformed Church, as was he. > > The Quaker info came from List-member Daniel Quinn. Actually, he states > that "Exeter was Quaker. The Schaffers were > Reformed mostly." I certainly misquoted him--mea culpa, my apologies to > you and the List. While in the county, Exeter it is not the County. > Dan Quinn's Schaffers arrived in the early 1700s and just what the > religious breakdown was at that time I don't know. > > Jeri > >

Hi Barb, > I'm curious about the information that Berks County was largely Quaker. OOPS! I had previously checked the Berks County list of churches and found the baptismal records of many descendents of Christian Schaffer--all Lutherans of the Reformed Church, as was he. The Quaker info came from List-member Daniel Quinn. Actually, he states that "Exeter was Quaker. The Schaffers were Reformed mostly." I certainly misquoted him--mea culpa, my apologies to you and the List. While in the county, Exeter it is not the County. Dan Quinn's Schaffers arrived in the early 1700s and just what the religious breakdown was at that time I don't know. Jeri

Hello folks, to tell you the truth, I looked at my large 'Hessenland" map, and I could not find a Nauheim near Huenfeld. But I found another Hanau soldier from the same Company, Johannes Schmitt, also from Nauheim (Bad Nauheim) plus a comrade, Conrad Hentzell, from Schwalheim, which is practically next door to Nauheim, now called Bad Nauheim, and I think we are on the right track with this Bad Nauheim, which is just a bit north of Frankfurt/Main. John Helmut Merz (btw. Conrad Hentzel also indentured himself in Nov.1782) ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" <jmerz@cogeco.ca> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 9:26 PM > Please take note: > Jeri Schindler named Bad Nauheim as the place this Christian > originated, but according to Hetrina VI the place of birth is > Nauheim near Huenfeld/Hessen. A quite different place. >

Please take note: Jeri Schindler named Bad Nauheim as the place this Christian originated, but according to Hetrina VI the place of birth is Nauheim near Huenfeld/Hessen. A quite different place. > Source: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: AMREV-H+2001+6421428771+F - the Christian SCHAEFER case. > is the Hesse-Hanau soldier Christian Schaeffer who indentured himself > on 11 Sep. 1782, somewhere near Reading, PA, for 3 years. Now this > SCHEFER/SCHAEFFER, Christian was born 1755/56 at Nauheim near > Huenfeld/Hessen. >

Hello everyone - Jeri Schindler did mention our subscriber Dan Quinn, and sure enough, here is his name mentioned. You see what a little research on our list will produce. Cheers, John Merz (retired) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:49:40 -0400 From: "John Merz" <hessian@cgocable.net> To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <017f01c13a5b$a441dfa0$4458e218@hala1.on.home.com> Subject: [HESSIANS] Re: Johan Christian Schaffer, Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Dan, I did receive the copy of your mail to Barbara who had written to us back in May of 1999. At that time I went through all my files to find a Christian Schaeffer, and luckily, there was one who did fit the bill. You did mention that you found him too as a POW of Trenton at the age of 15, and that he was kept in a camp at Reading, PA, and worked for a nearby farmer named HOCH in Exeter Ts.. He later married the farmer's daughter, and moved down the road a few miles to Yellow House, PA near Boyertown. You did a fine job of finding your ancestor, in fact you found much more than I ever did. As I said, the name Schaefer, Schaeffer, Schaffer, Shaver, etc, is not easy to research, but when I look at my Trenton prisoner list, there is no Christian of any kind of Schaffer variation to find. I therefore suspect that your Christian is the one I mentioned to Barbara, and this is the Hesse-Hanau soldier Christian Schaeffer who indentured himself on 11 Sep. 1782, somewhere near Reading, PA, for 3 years. Now this SCHEFER/SCHAEFFER, Christian was born 1755/56 at Nauheim near Huenfeld/Hessen. Perhaps cou could confirm this or give us the data you have found to clear this up for everyone's benefit. And thanks again for your great effort. Cheers, John From: "DANIEL J. QUINN" <djquinn@erols.com> To: "John Merz" <hessian@cgocable.net> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 9:29 PM ______________________________ ------------------------------

Peggy: May I suggest that you and others like you send their papers to the SAR Library, Louisville, KY 40203 Howard F. Horne > This is of interest to me not just because of the possibility of being a > comrade of Gottlieb Westphal/ Westfall, but also because one of my > mother's sisters married a Schaeffer whose family was in Berks Co. for > a long time. And they spelled the name with all the letters - Schaeffer. > My cousin sent all of his papers to the F&M library NOT to the JSHS. My > last contact, several years ago, with F&M indicated that they had not > done anything with this material. If I am able to find anything further > on what they have done by way of a listing or cataloging I will notify > the list. > Peggy Lyte Tyrrell, desc, of Gottlieb Westfall/Westphal and a distant > cuz of John's wife. > > > john wrote: > > >Dear Geraldine, eh, Jeri Schindler; > > > >I assume that Arrah (Jim) Spohn wrote to you direct, > >he most certainly wanted to help you, and he does know > >where his Hessian soldier came from. > > > >I tried to help you too, after all, I put your first mail to me > >over this mail list. I did mention that we have to know a few > >more details, because there are too many of the same name > >who stayed in America, as Bob Brooks found out when he > >tried to help with a Christian Schaeffer of the Ansbach-Bayreuth > >troops. Did somebody else pointing you in the same direction? > > > >Well now, in a posting of yours last week, you mentioned that > >your Christian SCHAEFER was from Bad Nauheim, and that > >information, if true, opens a whole new possibility. Mind you > >as far as the age of 15 at time of capture is concerned, I am > >not sure, I can't check that out anymore, but I am 991/2 % sure, > >he was the Hessen-Hanau soldier of the Regiment Erbprinz, > >who sold himself on 11. Sep. 1782 at Reading, PA, and he was > >a comrade of Henrich SPAHN, Jim Spohn's ancestor, and of > >Gottfried WESTPHAL, who is connected to my wife's line > >in Germany, and Peggy's, distant cousin to my wife :--) > > > >You (or someone who has that volume) can check this out in > >Hetrina VI, and in Clifford Neal Smith's Monograph No.5, > >where you can find many entries for Christian, under the name > >Schaefer and Scheeffer. So forget about Trenton, forget about > >Yorktown, he was captured at Saratoga in October 1777, and > >was a member of the Convention Army. > > > >Hey, how about that. here we find a comrade of Spahn and > >Westphal, they all went through the same adventures. > >Somebody should write a book about those guys. > > > >Greetings, > >John Helmut Merz > >retired (I have to tell me that all the time) > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Jeri Schindler" <2shins@charter.net> > >To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 3:37 PM > >Subject: [HESSIAN] Schaffer at Reading > > > > > > > > > >>Arrah (Jim) > >> > >> > >> > >>>How did you find out so much about... > >>> > >>> > >>>From cousins and other researchers of Schaffer,and tax records, cemetery > >> > >> > >records, census, Berks County PA Historical Society, this list, the Family > >History Library at Salt Lake. I bought books: Dohla's diary, C.N. Smith's > >"British and German Deserters...", POW List from J.S.H.A. Some of these at > >least provided negative info--so I look somewhere else. > > > > > >>Really, Jim, I'm very new to genealogical searching, so I just stumble > >> > >> > >around and stab here and there--sometimes with the good fortune to meet some > >really knowledgeable genealogists. The nearest I found for your Kaspar > >Spohn is from <SNIP - in order not to confuse Jim and other readers) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > Please stick to our published subject - Hessian Soldiers of the > American Revolution, not WWII or the Civil War. No other Immigrants. > You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from > one message to another. > To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

Yes Jeri, I owe it all to John Merz, for steering me in the right direction and his guide book. John also had me contact researcher in Schlüchtern, Germany. He did a complete research for my Kaspar Spohn going back as far as 1536. If he had searched any further, I'm sure Adam & Eve would have come up on the family tree. So, you see, I am well satisfied with my paternal genealogy. It is that tiny fraction of time that Kaspar Spohn is a complete mystery, from his capture at Saratoga to his marriage in Berks county or Oley twnsp. I know the church he was buried at, but, but, but---- no one has a record of him. Tax records show he owned several acres , several cows, etc Arrah (Jim) Spohn

John Once again I am indebted to you! I do so very much appreciate all the information from you--and all the list members. As I pointed out I'm new to genealogy and to this Hessian search in particular. On the chance that something here might help somebody on the list--- Re: Christian Schaeffer (the "e" after the "a" is for the missing umlaut) I know quite a bit about his life in Berks County, PA, but I've never been sure where in Germany he came from. The info about Bad Nauheim came from another list and also most recently from one Daniel Quinn, (a list member???). Quinn offers sources, which I'm eager to get. A cousin with whom I share a great grandfather wrote a brief family history in which she says that Christian and two brothers "from Stuttgart were members of a military unit... " in the AMREV. After which they settled in PA. Maybe "Stuttgart" saved lots of explaining? Wish I had names for those two brothers. And family lore has him captured at Trenton. About age 15: I had his birth in 1755 which makes a 15-yr-old at Trenton impossible. Thus I opted to get the POW Trenton list just to be sure. He wasn't there. That Trenton battle is so well known that many put their soldier there, whether or not. For Christian I have: b. 26 Feb 1755; d. 18 Feb 1829, buried Oley Cemetery, Spangsville, Oley Twp, PA m. Anna Margaretha Hoch on 1 Jan 1788 German Reformed Church of Philadelphia b. 22 Nov 1762 d. 10 Jul 1843 D. Quinn notes that since Berks Co. was largely Quaker a visiting minister of the Reformed Church would have performed the ceremony. But the marriage records are kept at the Mother Church in Phila. Also from Mr. Quinn comes: Christian was a prisoner at the Reading PA Hessian Camp. He was 15 when captured (This is the story in our family too--but from where comes the data?) He worked as a prisoner for a local cattle drover named Hoch. After the war he married Hoch's daughter. He bought a farm down the road from the camp and later more land on Schaffer Street in Boyertown. And I have farms in Exeter, Oley, and Boyertown (census and tax records put him there) Christian and Anna had eight children--I have info on all eight, but am sadly lacking birth and death dates for the one who is my ancestor--Samuel Schaffer. Once again, John, Thank you. Jeri Yes, everyone--but the tax collector--knows me as Jeri. My German Grossmutter pronounced it "chedi." She was a gem who spoke 5 languages. I speak only two and sadly one is not German.

This is of interest to me not just because of the possibility of being a comrade of Gottlieb Westphal/ Westfall, but also because one of my mother's sisters married a Schaeffer whose family was in Berks Co. for a long time. And they spelled the name with all the letters - Schaeffer. My cousin sent all of his papers to the F&M library NOT to the JSHS. My last contact, several years ago, with F&M indicated that they had not done anything with this material. If I am able to find anything further on what they have done by way of a listing or cataloging I will notify the list. Peggy Lyte Tyrrell, desc, of Gottlieb Westfall/Westphal and a distant cuz of John's wife. john wrote: >Dear Geraldine, eh, Jeri Schindler; > >I assume that Arrah (Jim) Spohn wrote to you direct, >he most certainly wanted to help you, and he does know >where his Hessian soldier came from. > >I tried to help you too, after all, I put your first mail to me >over this mail list. I did mention that we have to know a few >more details, because there are too many of the same name >who stayed in America, as Bob Brooks found out when he >tried to help with a Christian Schaeffer of the Ansbach-Bayreuth >troops. Did somebody else pointing you in the same direction? > >Well now, in a posting of yours last week, you mentioned that >your Christian SCHAEFER was from Bad Nauheim, and that >information, if true, opens a whole new possibility. Mind you >as far as the age of 15 at time of capture is concerned, I am >not sure, I can't check that out anymore, but I am 991/2 % sure, >he was the Hessen-Hanau soldier of the Regiment Erbprinz, >who sold himself on 11. Sep. 1782 at Reading, PA, and he was >a comrade of Henrich SPAHN, Jim Spohn's ancestor, and of >Gottfried WESTPHAL, who is connected to my wife's line >in Germany, and Peggy's, distant cousin to my wife :--) > >You (or someone who has that volume) can check this out in >Hetrina VI, and in Clifford Neal Smith's Monograph No.5, >where you can find many entries for Christian, under the name >Schaefer and Scheeffer. So forget about Trenton, forget about >Yorktown, he was captured at Saratoga in October 1777, and >was a member of the Convention Army. > >Hey, how about that. here we find a comrade of Spahn and >Westphal, they all went through the same adventures. >Somebody should write a book about those guys. > >Greetings, >John Helmut Merz >retired (I have to tell me that all the time) > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jeri Schindler" <2shins@charter.net> >To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 3:37 PM >Subject: [HESSIAN] Schaffer at Reading > > > > >>Arrah (Jim) >> >> >> >>>How did you find out so much about... >>> >>> >>>From cousins and other researchers of Schaffer,and tax records, cemetery >> >> >records, census, Berks County PA Historical Society, this list, the Family >History Library at Salt Lake. I bought books: Dohla's diary, C.N. Smith's >"British and German Deserters...", POW List from J.S.H.A. Some of these at >least provided negative info--so I look somewhere else. > > >>Really, Jim, I'm very new to genealogical searching, so I just stumble >> >> >around and stab here and there--sometimes with the good fortune to meet some >really knowledgeable genealogists. The nearest I found for your Kaspar >Spohn is from <SNIP - in order not to confuse Jim and other readers) > > > > > >

Dear Geraldine, eh, Jeri Schindler; I assume that Arrah (Jim) Spohn wrote to you direct, he most certainly wanted to help you, and he does know where his Hessian soldier came from. I tried to help you too, after all, I put your first mail to me over this mail list. I did mention that we have to know a few more details, because there are too many of the same name who stayed in America, as Bob Brooks found out when he tried to help with a Christian Schaeffer of the Ansbach-Bayreuth troops. Did somebody else pointing you in the same direction? Well now, in a posting of yours last week, you mentioned that your Christian SCHAEFER was from Bad Nauheim, and that information, if true, opens a whole new possibility. Mind you as far as the age of 15 at time of capture is concerned, I am not sure, I can't check that out anymore, but I am 991/2 % sure, he was the Hessen-Hanau soldier of the Regiment Erbprinz, who sold himself on 11. Sep. 1782 at Reading, PA, and he was a comrade of Henrich SPAHN, Jim Spohn's ancestor, and of Gottfried WESTPHAL, who is connected to my wife's line in Germany, and Peggy's, distant cousin to my wife :--) You (or someone who has that volume) can check this out in Hetrina VI, and in Clifford Neal Smith's Monograph No.5, where you can find many entries for Christian, under the name Schaefer and Scheeffer. So forget about Trenton, forget about Yorktown, he was captured at Saratoga in October 1777, and was a member of the Convention Army. Hey, how about that. here we find a comrade of Spahn and Westphal, they all went through the same adventures. Somebody should write a book about those guys. Greetings, John Helmut Merz retired (I have to tell me that all the time) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeri Schindler" <2shins@charter.net> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 3:37 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Schaffer at Reading > Arrah (Jim) > > >How did you find out so much about... > > >From cousins and other researchers of Schaffer,and tax records, cemetery records, census, Berks County PA Historical Society, this list, the Family History Library at Salt Lake. I bought books: Dohla's diary, C.N. Smith's "British and German Deserters...", POW List from J.S.H.A. Some of these at least provided negative info--so I look somewhere else. > > Really, Jim, I'm very new to genealogical searching, so I just stumble around and stab here and there--sometimes with the good fortune to meet some really knowledgeable genealogists. The nearest I found for your Kaspar Spohn is from <SNIP - in order not to confuse Jim and other readers) >

Arrah (Jim) >How did you find out so much about... From cousins and other researchers of Schaffer,and tax records, cemetery records, census, Berks County PA Historical Society, this list, the Family History Library at Salt Lake. I bought books: Dohla's diary, C.N. Smith's "British and German Deserters...", POW List from J.S.H.A. Some of these at least provided negative info--so I look somewhere else. Really, Jim, I'm very new to genealogical searching, so I just stumble around and stab here and there--sometimes with the good fortune to meet some really knowledgeable genealogists. The nearest I found for your Kaspar Spohn is from Clifford Neal Smith's: "British and German Deserters, Dischargees, and Prisoners of War Who May Have Remained in Canada and the United States, 1774-1783: Part 1 and Part 2 [and] Disbanded Soldiers from British, German, and Loyalist Military Units in the South, 1782" Spotz, Caspar a German farmer Regiment von Ditfurth Pass to Pennsylvania "Research Notes: According to Hetrina, 2:9030, soldier SCHATZ, Kaspar, born 1758-1759, from Bromskirchen, deserted from company 4, Regiment von Ditfurth, in September 1782. Jeri

Here is an interesting thread if you click on the Message Board URL Greetings, John ----- Original Message ----- From: <leegloriaf@hotmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 10:57 AM > Source: MAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Hessian soldier MILLIS > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/4EB.2ACE/606.1.1.1.2.1.3 > > Message Board Post: > > Loretta: Contact me at my home email. leegloria@paulbunyan.net I want to send you a book my daughter and i put together for my mother-in-law. She is Viola millis. I have traced clear up to the Hessian Soldier. I would love to share what we have with any body. i also have pictures. I'm back from vac. so I have time now. I am from the Bemidji Mn. area. I check both Emails often. Gloria >