Hello John, Best wishes on your trip to Germany. I have often read your information on the internet but have not subscribed to the site, mainly because not much has shown up on what I have been told is our first John Spade, who came to America during the Revolutionary War. It has been researched by many family members and to no avail. Some day, I, too would like to visit Germany but since I don't speak the language and am not at all familiar with the country, I doubt it will ever happen for me. I look forward to reading about your trip when you return home. Jean Spade Meurer

Hi Jean, your: Some day, I, too would like to visit Germany but since I don't speak the language and am not at all familiar with the country, I doubt it will ever happen for me. I too wish John a happy and Pleasent trip and look forward tol reading his account when he gets back, but I write to you to say don't let not speaking the language stop you. When I was stationed in Germany 1983- 1987, I did not know the country or speak the language either. I found the German peoples kind and helpful as long as I tried to communicate in thier language. I had a little transulation book.... Yes I was in the service but... I spent every free hour away from the military post as I could. I got a map, and asked questions, and drove and used the trains... It was wonderful... I love castles and spent my time seeing all I could, to bad I was not into genealogy then... If you get the chance go... just reemember your a guest in other people's country and you'll do just fine!! I'll go back to see my families home town now I know where it is.... the first chance I get... LOL and I still don't speak the language... Nelda List manager Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/

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Hello supporters of our Rose House Museum; Following up on my previous posting - here are the important e-mail adresses of the Council members. Please let them know how we feel about our history and its preservation. Thank you all for your help, There is really not much more I can do at this point in time, I am all packed up and ready to see my homeland. (I am so excited, I just booked per Internet a steamship tour on Lake Constance for me and my grandson Pauli for Sunday, 26. June with a refurbished old side-wheeler) I will be thinking of the Rose House and you. Cheers John Helmut Merz ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian E.Reilly Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 9:51 AM Subject: Mayor and Council Here is the list . Ian ******************************** Names and e-mail addresses of Prince Edward County Mayor and Council 2005 The mailing address for the them is 332 Main Street, P.O. Drawer 1550, PICTON, ON CANADA K0K 2T0 Mayor Leo P. Finnegan < lfinnegan@pecounty.on.ca Council Bev Campbell < bcampbell@pecounty.on.ca > Paul Morris < pmorris@pecounty.on.ca > Barry Turpin < bturpin@pecounty.on.ca > Jim Dunlop << Jdunlop@pecounty.on.ca > Wayne Drake < wdrake@pecounty.on.ca > Robert Bell < rbell@pecounty.on.ca > Lori Slik < lslik@pecounty.on.ca > Brian Marisett < bmarisett@pecounty.on.ca > Gordon Fox < gfox@pecounty.on.ca > Keith MacDonald < kmacdonald@pecounty.on.ca > Peggy Burris < pburris@pecounty.on.ca > Ron Everall < reverall@pecounty.on.ca > Monica Alyea < malyea@pecounty.on.ca > Kevin Gale < kgale@pecounty.on.ca > Terry Shortt < tshortt@pecounty.on.ca >

Hello folks, it seems the last shot is not fired yet in the preservation of our Rose House Museum. A call by the President of the 7th Township Historical Association, Mr. Ian Reilly reminded me, that the battle is not won as yet. There are still councellars in Prince Edward County who seem determined to save a few bucks by closing some of the 5 Museums in the County. Please write to the council, the Mayor has only one voice, and he needs support. John Helmut Merz, practically on the way to Germany, where I will talk about our Rose House Museum and the first settlers in P.E. county. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian E.Reilly To: jmerz@cogeco.ca Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:36 AM Subject: E. Hunter REVISED COPY Hi John Elizabeth Hunter Might not think that the Rose house is under threat BUT she is after all an employee of the council that, by her own admission, is meeting to consider this and other suggestions to save money. This is not the first time that Museum closures in Prince Edward have been suggested, but certainly the most up front. Governments often fly test balloons in the hope that people will think "they won't do that" and if not many voice objections they act on the weakest and say " not many seemed to be opposed to that action". A strong response is needed to the Mayor and Council, not by voice but by written word, from far and wide by all those who belive that A LARGE PART OF CANADIAN HISTORY and that of THE HESSIANS is represented by the ROSE HOUSE MUSEUM and THE VERY SITE IT SITS ON. While I respect Ms. Hunter the power is in the Hands of the Mayor and Council. Thanks John, Ian E. Reilly U.E. President Seventh Town Historical Society. PS You may publish this letter if you wish.

Forwarded to the most important supporters of the Rose Hose: ----- Original Message ----- From: john To: M. La Rose & T. Durning Cc: Rolf Piro Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 2:09 PM Subject: Rose House Museum Hi, (may be forwarded to anyone) I noticed the e-mail tfrom Max Bork - I do appreciate whatever is being done to save the Rose House Museum. For this reason I had initiated a mail-in campaign last week with the help of the following Rootsweb Mail Lists AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com QUEBEC-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com United-Empire-Loyalists-L@rootsweb.com UPPER-CANADA-L@rootsweb.com LOYALISTS-L@rootsweb.com I have also written to the Museums manager Mrs.Elizabeth Hunter, and the Mayor Leo Finnegan of the PE County, and I received a positive reply back from the Mayor. This all can be checked out in the mail list archives of those mail lists http://archiver.rootsweb.com/UPPER-CANADA-L or http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L or the same way for all other lists. Thanks for your concern, John Helmut Merz, Author of 'The Hessians of Marysburgh" and the 'Hessians of Upper Canada"

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Hello Listers I'm trying to contact BARBARA M JARVIS. Does anyone have her current e-mail address? The one I found in the Archives is obsolete. She was researching the same Christian Schaeffer I am. Jeri

Dear Hessian Descendants; My suitcase is lying open on the floor. All around are stacks of this and that ready to be packed. The largest stack are your contributions in rememberance of your Hessian ancestors which I am proud to take to Germany and present them to the folks over there who invited me and expect to see me in person next week. I am so happy that you did not let me dow when I ask for some mementos, like pictures of Hessian plaques on ancestors and descendants gravestones. You did much better und gave me whole histories of your ancestors. Special thanks to Marie Fetzer for her Ruehrschneck picture, Bob Fetters for the dedication pictures of Henrich Hammer's gravesite, Bill Hawk for his Philipp Reges document, Beverly Aulick Schmitz for the beautiful Aulick presentation, Michael Derrow for his Albermarle documentation, and to all who helped me get things together. Sorry if I forgot to mention a name, I just hope that my suitcase takes it all and I am not too much over the weight limit. I might have to put some of the stuff in Pauli's baggage, because I also take my last Hessian Soldier plaque with me for Hammersbach, plus some extra books. I am really all excited, and I know that with my 'ol bones', it won't be easy, that's why I need Pauli's help. I am now going to sign off til the end of the month, and will report back after my return. Wish you all a good time, I am going to take it easy now. Yours John Helmut Merz and Pauli, my grandson helper.

Hello Friends of our Museums in Prince Edward County: I just received this message from Mayor Leo Finnigan: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mayor Leo Finnegan" <lfinnegan@pecounty.on.ca> To: "john" <jmerz@cogeco.ca> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 10:47 AM Subject: RE: Canadian History in P.E.County, Ontario Dear John Thank you for your message. I agree with you and will support our museums. Leo -----Original Message----- From: john [mailto:jmerz@cogeco.ca] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 5:11 PM To: Mayor Leo Finnegan Cc: caboose.2@juno.com Subject: Re: Canadian History in P.E.County, Ontario Dear Mayor Leo P. Finnigan; My name is John Helmut Merz, I am the historian who arranged for the 'Hessian Day' at the Rose House Museum last August. It was a great success!! Some rumours are floating around that your Council is considering closing some Museums in the County. Museums are the soul and the backbone of a County's history. They preserve our heritage more than anything else. We owe it to our children and grandchildren to keep them and hold them and add to them, Here is one example of responses I get from descendants of those early settlers for your information. It says it all. Do your best, Mr. Mayor, do your best. Yours, John Helmut Merz, Author of "The Hessians of Marysburgh" and "The Hessians of Upper Canada" Hamilton, Ontario. ................................... ----- Original Message ----- From: <caboose.2@juno.com> To: <jmerz@cogeco.ca> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 7:05 AM Subject: Canadian History > John, > After reading your posting this morning, I've been > thinking and wondering. How would Canadian history > be written today, if the 'Hessians' had not entered into > the picture. > I think the ROSE MUSEUM should remain open. It > is the perfect place to honor the Hessians. They are > very important people in the History of Canada. > Thank you for all you have done and are doing. > Regards, > Joyce F. Tubbs > Georgia, Vermont > Third Great Granddaughter of Nicolas Hamann, Quebec Hessian

Thanks, I will try to contact them. Ron

Hello everyone! Sparked by a letter to the editor which appeared in a Picton, Ontario newspaper on June 3, 2005, I wrote to the Manager of the Museums in Prince Edward County to find out what the situation is at this point in time. The Rose House Museum in Marysburg Township does represent German and particular Hessian soldier history in Canada like no other museum does. Last year we had a wonderful 'Hessian Day' in remembrance of the 220 years the first settlers landed and settled. This was much supported by the Manager of Museums, Mrs. Elizabeth Hunter, and here is her reply to my query. Please read and help to preserve this unique historical building for the future. These German pioneers deserve to be remembered. Yours truly John (Johannes) Helmut Merz, author of The Hessians of Upper Canada, and The Hessians of Marysburgh. ----- Original Message ----- From: Elizabeth Hunter To: john Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 1:20 PM Subject: RE: Future of Rose House Museum It is true that the closure of 2 museums in 2006 has been suggested by our CAO as an option the council should examine in light of the increased descrepancy between the services the Province has legislated that we must supply and the funds that they are providing to fund them. It is just one suggestion on a list of about 20 suggestions. Council has responded by scheduling a special meeting to review these suggestions to decide which ones they might consider. In the interim they are soliciting other cost saving suggestions from staff and the public. I do not think that the museums are under a serious threat. Most of the councillors that I have spoken to indicate either that they support the museums or that the amount that could be saved by closing two museums is so insignifcant that it would not be worth while. Of the list of suggestions the one to close the museums is the one that has generated the most public response (in protest).. Although there will always be portion of the population ( and some councillors) who do not value what museums do, I do not think that many councillor facing reelection will wish to close public facilities in an election year. That being said, we do not wish to be complacent. If you would like to express your support for the museums (and Rose House in particular) please feel free to email our Mayor. (I have been recommending that citizens contact their local councillor, but as a non resident of the county I think Mayor Finnegan would be most appropriate. lfinnegan@pecounty.on.ca I would just like to emphasize that it is not true that Rose House has been identified for closure. The recommendation was to "rationalize our museums to no more that 3 sites which fairly represent the most prominent themes from the County's history". When I am faced with a citizen who says "we do not need 5 museums" I usually ask which one would you close down? They usually have difficulty picking one to do without. This year the council approved a significant increase in the budgets of the museums including capital projects at each of the museums. At Rose House we will be constructing a pole barn to house some of our larger agricultural equipment. When I have asked direction as to whether I should delay these projects, in light of the consideration of museum closures, I have been told to proceed. I really do not think I would be told to expand if they were serious about shutting us down. Your concern and support is much appreciated. Elizabeth Hunter ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: john [mailto:jmerz@cogeco.ca] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:18 PM To: Elizabeth Hunter Subject: Re: Future of Rose House Museum Dear Mrs. Elizabeth Hunter, Manager of Museums for Prince Edward County. As your Number One Rose House supporter, could I get a straight answer from you in respect to the noise I am hearing about the County deliberations to close the Museum? After all the promotional efforts we have build up, this cannot be true, is it? Please let me know by return mail, because I am leaving for Germany next Tuesday where I will be presenting another Hessian plaque to the community of Hammersbach in Hessen, home over over 30 Hessian soldiers of the American Revolution. Yours John Helmut Merz, Researcher of the Hessian soldiers of the American Revolution, Author of "The Hessians of Upper Canada" and "The Hessians of Marysburgh" Now retired in Hamilton, Ontario.

If the powers that be in their infinite wisdom choose to close Rose House, they are, if you pardon me, NUTS!!! If Rose House is closed I would like to put in a word to have the Hessian material moved to SAR Kibrary in Louisville. We will guard it and keep it available for the general public whether they are American or Canadian. Howard F. Horne, President General NSSAR 2000 > Hello Hessians, > I just received this mail from the President of the > Seventh Township Historical Society in Ameliasburg, Ontario, > the one which is holding my research material and is > continuing with the Hessian research. > I am really stunned at these developments. > I believe we should all write to the officials in charge > at the Prince Edward County, Ontario. > John Helmut Merz. > The following is the letter that appeared in the County Weekly News in Picton > on Friday June 3 2005. > I will e-mail a list of the Mayor and council and their e-mail addresses > tomorrow or Tuesday. > Ian > > CLOSE THE ROSE HOUSE MUSEUM? > The Rose House Museum holds a distinct place in our County's history. It > commemorates the German, Hessian soldiers who came here to live in Prince Edward > County in 1784 after the end of the American Revolution. These men fought > side-by-side with our Loyalists and stayed behind in this blessed land when > their regiment returned home to Hanau, Germany. Peter Rose was among those > soldiers and it is very appropriate that this property be the location of this > museum. To move it elsewhere is to rob it of its significance. Its present > location is appropriate, if not perfect. The Story of the Hessians of North > Marysburgh has only recently begun to receive the attention it deserves. Much of > this is through the work of historian, John Merz of Hamilton, Ontario who was > born Johannes Helmut Merz and was raised in Hanau, Germany, the very place > these Hessian Soldiers came from. After coming to Canada he had a successful > businesss career. Later, when he retired, he began day-tripping ! > in Ontario. One of these excursions was to Prince Edward County. During that > trip he happened to drive by the Rose House Museum. As he read the plaque > outside he realized that these settlers had been soldiers sent from the very > place he had livied in Germany, to help the British cause in North America. As > he visited the cemetary and drove down the road he recognized the names on > tombstones and mailboxes as being anglicized versions of common family names in > the area around his hometown in Germany. That visit started a 20 year research > project into these Hessian soldiers and John Merz is now one of the leading > authorities on this subject today. Matching records for these soldiers were > found in German records in the area of Hesse, Germany (Which is how the > Hessians got their name) > The project grew to a larger than life status. A plaque was designed and cast. > One was donated with great ceremony to the Kurpark in Hanau, Germany. A matching > plaque was donated to the Rose House Museum, by John Merz, last year. > Hanau, Germany was the home of the Hessian Regiment and they were loaned to > King George III of England by his cousin Wilhelm the Erbprinz of Hanau (Erb > refers to inheritance and prinz is prince) > Hanau has recently begun to celebrate this German /Canadian connection from > the 1700s. > In 2003 a huge weekend was organized and the Hessian Soldier's history > honoured, culminating in the presentation of the commemorative plaque mentioned > above. It was no small deal. I have a copy of the newspaper article about it > here in my home. Even the American Army from its present day base in Hanau, > Germany sent troops to honour these soldiers who in reality fought against their > country during the American Revolution. In two weeks, in Hanau, they have > arranged another celebration to honour these soldiers and this history. John > Merz has been invited there for what he suspects will be his last trip back to > Hanau due to failing health. > The plans are laid out in the Hanau Anzeiger Wochende Magazin (Hanau Newspaper > Weekend Magazine). The Sunday, May 7th edition describes in great detail the > research John Merz has done, and how it developed. In an article by writer > Werner Kurz it tells the story of his discovery of the museum and the graveyard > directly across the road from which his research sprang. They plan a big > celebration there and he is meeting with the Archivist for the Hanau history > (Geschictesvererin) and presenting her with copies several items to remember > the occasion. Several city officials will be there to honour him and the memory > of these Hessians. The Landrat (A German term for their higher up district > official) is scheduled to meet him and to honour the memory of some of the very > people and their comrades our Rose House Museum represents. > All that and we want to close the Museum that started it all? We must have > missed something here. Just when the people half a world away are waking up to > our history we want to shut it down and move it elsewhere into certain oblivion. > Maybe we should promote it. With ads in the Hanau Anzeiger inviting folks to > come here and visit the home of Peter Rose, former Hanauer Soldaten. Europeans > and German people in particular are fascinated by Canadian pioneer life and > heaven knows with the high value of the Euro they can afford to come. All they > need is a good reason. > I realize the motivation for this move may have appeared sound on the surface > but not everything of value can be measured in dollars and cents. Some things we > are just stewards of and it is our job to preserve them for future generations. > The Arts and History are two that definitely fall into that catagory. > To ignore them is to lose our inner selves. Perhaps a better way can be found > to look after this Museum. It is an important historic place and North Maryburgh > should keep it there. > I know there are some out there who think it is just an old house with some > pioneer and German stuff in it. It makes no difference where it is. What does it > matter anyway? > Well it matters to me and the hundreds of other German family descendants who > still live here today. And if your name is Rose, Bongard, Dainard, Minaker, > Casper, Hineman, Hay, Keller, Lott, Miller, Smith, Snider, Gerbig,(all modern > day Prince Edward County versions of names of these Hessian Soldier's families) > not mention Switzer, Embury, Hick, Dulmage, Miller, Detlor, Huffman and Teskey, > (all anglicized names of German families that came here by way of Rathkeale, > Ireland) then it should matter to you . It should matter a lot. This is our > heritage that is being dis-serviced. I trust a reasonable solution would be > found to keep this historic home open for many years. Maybe through a reduced > schedule or a specific number of special events days such as the German Heritage > Day held last year. Perhaps more volunteers are needed. It is too important a > museum to close. > Don K Dulmage > Director of Hessian and German Family Studies > 7th Town Historical Society > MAGRC > Ameliasburgh. > > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > The subject of this list - Hessian Soldiers of the American Revolution No other > wars - no other German immigrants. Please stick to the subject. You can search > the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to > another. > To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

Dear John, Ron and Listers, I discovered this researcher's work for the family of Karl Ludwig Wellbaum. It appears the researcher may not be aware he was a Hessian soldier; therefore, I am sending contact information and some general information which may be helpful. I hope so. Warm regards, Jane wmcurci@aol.com Contact: K Brown ShadowSinger2@netscape.net http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2599329& id=I3131 Name: Karl Ludwig WELLBAUM Sex: M Birth: 14 FEB 1754 in Roden,Niedersachen,Germany Death: 15 SEP 1821 in Madison Township,Montgomery County,OH Note: 1 CEME Wellbaum Cemetery 1 FACT N104 Father: Johann Henrich WALBOHM b: 18 MAR 1706/1707 in Rohden,Niedersachen,Germany Mother: Anna HOMERYER b: 6 JAN 1709/1710 in Rohden,Niedersachen,Germany Marriage 1 Mary MAGDALENA KNEISLEY b: 18 OCT 1760 in York County,PA Note: 1 REFN 2 NOTE 4481 Children Abraham WELLBAUM b: 12 MAR 1803 in Bedford,Huntingdon,PA David WELLBAUM b: 5 DEC 1800 in Huntingdon,PA ID: I3130 Name: David WELLBAUM Sex: M Birth: 5 DEC 1800 in Huntingdon,PA Census: 1830 Listed as living in Newton Township, Miami county,OH Census: 1840 Listed as living in Newton Township, Miami county,OH Census: 1850 Listed as living in Newton Township, Miami county,OH Father: Karl Ludwig WELLBAUM b: 14 FEB 1754 in Roden,Niedersachen,Germany Mother: Mary MAGDALENA KNEISLEY b: 18 OCT 1760 in York County,PA Marriage 1 Catherine HITTLE b: 31 JAN 1801 in PA Married: 2 APR 1821 in Miami County,OH Note: 1 REFN 2 NOTE 4467 Children Susan WELLBAUM b: BET. 1820 - 1825 Annie WELLBAUM b: BET. 1820 - 1825 John WELLBAUM b: 1826 in OH Elizabeth WELLBAUM b: 1828 in Newton Township,Miami County,OH Aaron WELLBAUM b: 15 OCT 1830 in Newton Township,Miami County,OH Silas WELLBAUM b: 28 MAR 1833 in Newberry Township,Miami county,OH Catherine WELLBAUM b: Abt 1836 in Newton Township,Miami County,OH Jackson WELLBAUM b: Abt 1838 in Newton Township,Miami County,OH Richard WELLBAUM b: Abt 1842 Martha WELLBAUM b: Abt 1843 Lavina WELLBAUM b: Abt 1845 in Newton Township,Miami County,OH 2. Karl Ludwig WELLBAUM was born 14 FEB 1754 in Roden,Niedersachen,Germany, and died 15 SEP 1821 in Madison Township,Montgomery County,OH. He was the son of 4. Johann Henrich WALBOHM and 5. Anna HOMERYER. 3. Mary MAGDALENA KNEISLEY was born 18 OCT 1760 in York County,PA, and died OCT 1820 in Madison Township,Montgomery County,OH. She was the daughter of 6. John KNEISELY and 7. Mary SHONAUER. Children of Mary MAGDALENA KNEISLEY and Karl Ludwig WELLBAUM are: i. Abraham WELLBAUM was born 12 MAR 1803 in Bedford,Huntingdon,PA, and died 24 SEP 1863 in Monroe Township,Darke County,OH. He married Peggy Rebecca HITTLE 2 SEP 1824 in Miami County,OH, daughter of Nicholas HITTLE and Eva Ann BOYER. She was born 1807. 1. ii. David WELLBAUM was born 5 DEC 1800 in Huntingdon,PA. He married Catherine HITTLE 2 APR 1821 in Miami County,OH, daughter of Nicholas HITTLE and Eva Ann BOYER. She was born 31 JAN 1801 in PA, and died 1865. Ahnentafel, Generation No. 3 4. Johann Henrich WALBOHM was born 18 MAR 1706/1707 in Rohden,Niedersachen,Germany, and died 21 MAR 1760. He was buried 24 MAR 1760 in Rohden,Niedersachen,Germany. He was the son of 8. Johann Tonnies WALBOHM and 9. Anna Dorothea ELDER. 5. Anna HOMERYER was born 6 JAN 1709/1710 in Rohden,Niedersachen,Germany, and died 21 DEC 1775 in Rohden,Niedersachen,Germany. She was the daughter of 10. Johann HOMERYER and 11. Anna KOCH. Child of Anna HOMERYER and Johann Henrich WALBOHM is: 2. i. Karl Ludwig WELLBAUM was born 14 FEB 1754 in Roden,Niedersachen,Germany, and died 15 SEP 1821 in Madison Township,Montgomery County,OH. He married Mary MAGDALENA KNEISLEY, daughter of John KNEISELY and Mary SHONAUER. She was born 18 OCT 1760 in York County,PA, and died OCT 1820 in Madison Township,Montgomery County,OH. 6. John KNEISELY. 7. Mary SHONAUER. Child of Mary SHONAUER and John KNEISELY is: 3. i. Mary MAGDALENA KNEISLEY was born 18 OCT 1760 in York County,PA, and died OCT 1820 in Madison Township,Montgomery County,OH. She married Karl Ludwig WELLBAUM, son of Johann Henrich WALBOHM and Anna HOMERYER. He was born 14 FEB 1754 in Roden,Niedersachen,Germany, and died 15 SEP 1821 in Madison Township,Montgomery County,OH. Ahnentafel, Generation No. 4 8. Johann Tonnies WALBOHM was born 26 FEB 1676/1677 in Germany, and died WFT Est. 1719-1768. He was the son of 16. Martin WALBOHM. 9. Anna Dorothea ELDER was born WFT Est. 1663-1688 in Rohden,Niedersachen,Germany, and died WFT Est. 1718-1777. Children of Anna Dorothea ELDER and Johann Tonnies WALBOHM are: 4. i. Johann Henrich WALBOHM was born 18 MAR 1706/1707 in Rohden,Niedersachen,Germany, and died 21 MAR 1760. He married Anna HOMERYER 16 OCT 1732 in Rohden,Niedersachsen,Germany, daughter of Johann HOMERYER and Anna KOCH. She was born 6 JAN 1709/1710 in Rohden,Niedersachen,Germany, and died 21 DEC 1775 in Rohden,Niedersachen,Germany. ii. Otto Julius WALBOHM was born 5 JUN 1701. iii. Anna Elsabey WALBOHM was born 16 APR 1704. iv. Johann Christopher WALBOHM was born 10 AUG 1710. v. Anna Engel WALBOHM was born 23 JUL 1713. vi. Johann Wilhelm WALBOHM was born 21 JUN 1716. 10. Johann HOMERYER. 11. Anna KOCH. Child of Anna KOCH and Johann HOMERYER is: 5. i. Anna HOMERYER was born 6 JAN 1709/1710 in Rohden,Niedersachen,Germany, and died 21 DEC 1775 in Rohden,Niedersachen,Germany. She married Johann Henrich WALBOHM 16 OCT 1732 in Rohden,Niedersachsen,Germany, son of Johann Tonnies WALBOHM and Anna Dorothea ELDER. He was born 18 MAR 1706/1707 in Rohden,Niedersachen,Germany, and died 21 MAR 1760.

Hello Ron Pancner; All my research material about Hessian soldiers who remained in the United States has been deposited with the S.A.R. Library in Louisville, Kentucky. I therefore cannot help you with precise information. If this mail list has nothing more in the list archives, you are probably out of luck. Regards, John Merz. From: <Ronpancner@aol.com> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 10:49 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Karl Walbaum > Hello Mr. Merz, > > I found your Sat. 28 Sept 2002 message to Kathie Ludwig and would like to > know where the letter about how Karl was introduced to Magdelen Kneisley can be > found. > > I have researched his records in Bedford Co. PA. in 1787. The time period > from his desertion June 23, 1778 to 1787 is a blank. Can you refer me to a > source of further information? A Brethren newsletter mentioned York and > Lancaster Co. PA but I have no verification. > > Ron Pancner > To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L

Hello Mr. Merz, I found your Sat. 28 Sept 2002 message to Kathie Ludwig and would like to know where the letter about how Karl was introduced to Magdelen Kneisley can be found. I have researched his records in Bedford Co. PA. in 1787. The time period from his desertion June 23, 1778 to 1787 is a blank. Can you refer me to a source of further information? A Brethren newsletter mentioned York and Lancaster Co. PA but I have no verification. Ron Pancner

Hello Hessians, I just received this mail from the President of the Seventh Township Historical Society in Ameliasburg, Ontario, the one which is holding my research material and is continuing with the Hessian research. I am really stunned at these developments. I believe we should all write to the officials in charge at the Prince Edward County, Ontario. John Helmut Merz. The following is the letter that appeared in the County Weekly News in Picton on Friday June 3 2005. I will e-mail a list of the Mayor and council and their e-mail addresses tomorrow or Tuesday. Ian CLOSE THE ROSE HOUSE MUSEUM? The Rose House Museum holds a distinct place in our County's history. It commemorates the German, Hessian soldiers who came here to live in Prince Edward County in 1784 after the end of the American Revolution. These men fought side-by-side with our Loyalists and stayed behind in this blessed land when their regiment returned home to Hanau, Germany. Peter Rose was among those soldiers and it is very appropriate that this property be the location of this museum. To move it elsewhere is to rob it of its significance. Its present location is appropriate, if not perfect. The Story of the Hessians of North Marysburgh has only recently begun to receive the attention it deserves. Much of this is through the work of historian, John Merz of Hamilton, Ontario who was born Johannes Helmut Merz and was raised in Hanau, Germany, the very place these Hessian Soldiers came from. After coming to Canada he had a successful businesss career. Later, when he retired, he began day-tripping ! in Ontario. One of these excursions was to Prince Edward County. During that trip he happened to drive by the Rose House Museum. As he read the plaque outside he realized that these settlers had been soldiers sent from the very place he had livied in Germany, to help the British cause in North America. As he visited the cemetary and drove down the road he recognized the names on tombstones and mailboxes as being anglicized versions of common family names in the area around his hometown in Germany. That visit started a 20 year research project into these Hessian soldiers and John Merz is now one of the leading authorities on this subject today. Matching records for these soldiers were found in German records in the area of Hesse, Germany (Which is how the Hessians got their name) The project grew to a larger than life status. A plaque was designed and cast. One was donated with great ceremony to the Kurpark in Hanau, Germany. A matching plaque was donated to the Rose House Museum, by John Merz, last year. Hanau, Germany was the home of the Hessian Regiment and they were loaned to King George III of England by his cousin Wilhelm the Erbprinz of Hanau (Erb refers to inheritance and prinz is prince) Hanau has recently begun to celebrate this German /Canadian connection from the 1700s. In 2003 a huge weekend was organized and the Hessian Soldier's history honoured, culminating in the presentation of the commemorative plaque mentioned above. It was no small deal. I have a copy of the newspaper article about it here in my home. Even the American Army from its present day base in Hanau, Germany sent troops to honour these soldiers who in reality fought against their country during the American Revolution. In two weeks, in Hanau, they have arranged another celebration to honour these soldiers and this history. John Merz has been invited there for what he suspects will be his last trip back to Hanau due to failing health. The plans are laid out in the Hanau Anzeiger Wochende Magazin (Hanau Newspaper Weekend Magazine). The Sunday, May 7th edition describes in great detail the research John Merz has done, and how it developed. In an article by writer Werner Kurz it tells the story of his discovery of the museum and the graveyard directly across the road from which his research sprang. They plan a big celebration there and he is meeting with the Archivist for the Hanau history (Geschictesvererin) and presenting her with copies several items to remember the occasion. Several city officials will be there to honour him and the memory of these Hessians. The Landrat (A German term for their higher up district official) is scheduled to meet him and to honour the memory of some of the very people and their comrades our Rose House Museum represents. All that and we want to close the Museum that started it all? We must have missed something here. Just when the people half a world away are waking up to our history we want to shut it down and move it elsewhere into certain oblivion. Maybe we should promote it. With ads in the Hanau Anzeiger inviting folks to come here and visit the home of Peter Rose, former Hanauer Soldaten. Europeans and German people in particular are fascinated by Canadian pioneer life and heaven knows with the high value of the Euro they can afford to come. All they need is a good reason. I realize the motivation for this move may have appeared sound on the surface but not everything of value can be measured in dollars and cents. Some things we are just stewards of and it is our job to preserve them for future generations. The Arts and History are two that definitely fall into that catagory. To ignore them is to lose our inner selves. Perhaps a better way can be found to look after this Museum. It is an important historic place and North Maryburgh should keep it there. I know there are some out there who think it is just an old house with some pioneer and German stuff in it. It makes no difference where it is. What does it matter anyway? Well it matters to me and the hundreds of other German family descendants who still live here today. And if your name is Rose, Bongard, Dainard, Minaker, Casper, Hineman, Hay, Keller, Lott, Miller, Smith, Snider, Gerbig,(all modern day Prince Edward County versions of names of these Hessian Soldier's families) not mention Switzer, Embury, Hick, Dulmage, Miller, Detlor, Huffman and Teskey, (all anglicized names of German families that came here by way of Rathkeale, Ireland) then it should matter to you . It should matter a lot. This is our heritage that is being dis-serviced. I trust a reasonable solution would be found to keep this historic home open for many years. Maybe through a reduced schedule or a specific number of special events days such as the German Heritage Day held last year. Perhaps more volunteers are needed. It is too important a museum to close. Don K Dulmage Director of Hessian and German Family Studies 7th Town Historical Society MAGRC Ameliasburgh.

Jeri Schindler wrote: >peggy t wrote: > > > >>This is of interest to me not just because of the possibility of being a comrad of Gottlieb Westphal... >>one of my mother's sisters married a Schaeffer... >> >> > >Which Schaeffer? There are so many--and spelled different ways for the same person. > > Reply on which Schaeffer : My aunt's husband was Dr. Robert Leibensperger Schaeffer b. in 1881 in Fleetwood, Berks Co., PA; died in 1965 in Allentown, Lehigh Co., PA. His father was George Schaeffer (b. about 1846) who married Catherine Leibensperger. I have nothing further on them other than that too were were most likely Reformed as that is where the family went. My information at this point is of more recent origin as Dr. Schaeffer's 3 children were 1st cousins and well known to me. I am still trying to hunt down more of my Westfall family as I am a direct descendant. Schaeffer is an allied line. Peggy [Lyte] Tyrrell >Jeri > > > > > > >

John, So sorry. I have been off on vacation and just picking up older emails have a GREAT trip . Know Pauli will take good care of you and keep you in line. Wish I was going also . My picture was of descendents only. Mary Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" <jmerz@cogeco.ca> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Trip to Hanau, Germany. in June 2005. > Hello dear Mary-Ann, > > to clear up a misunderstanding - > I can and do receive all kinds of pictures via e-mail, > but I CANNOT print them out because I have no > working colour printer. Actually, I have, but I have no > colour cartridges in them, because I use them so seldom, > they have tried up. Keep trying up, and at the prices of > those darn things, I stopped replacing them :--) > It is now to late to mail per regular mail, but I do have a few > good pictures to show in Hanau. So - don't worry. > > Yours > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary-Anne McCullough" <maepm1@cox.net> > To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 12:38 AM > Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Trip to Hanau, Germany. in June 2005. > > >> John, >> Do I understand you can NOT receive and print photos via e-mail? >> for your trip to Hanau?? >> Mary -Anne > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "john" <jmerz@cogeco.ca> > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > The subject of this list - Hessian Soldiers of the American Revolution No > other wars - no other German immigrants. Please stick to the subject. You > can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from > one message to another. > To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Hi Jean: Again, I'm not surprised that one child out of 5 was baptized in a different denomination. This happened often depending on location or circumstance. Bescause of intermarriage it was not uncommon for the husband and wife to be one or the other, and their could easily have been both as well. As I said before, most Lutherans and Reformeds shared a church, the minister being known to both sides. And the churches were quite similar. A simplistic comparison might be that the Lutherans were viewed as more rigid, with more importance placed on formality and ritual, more centralized authority. The Reformeds were more liberal, less centralized with congregations more independent, less ritualistic, more plain as the Mennonites. There was still a problem of having enough ministers in the backcountry to take care of all the baptisms, marriages, burials,confirmations etc. Many minsters had a circuit of (maybe 4) separate churches to serve. In 1787 the Reformed Church still depended on the "Holland fathers" to supply pastors. It wasn't until a few years later that the Reformed Coetus broke away from the European authority and started placing their own men in specific churches. They were afraid of losing too many parishioners to other denominations, if they didn't have enough minsters to take care of the flock. Communication was still slow to Europe, and decisions often took a long time compared to today. Hope this helped some. Edward Quinter