Hessiches Staatarchiv Marburg Telefon: (06421) 92 50 -0 Fax: (06421) 16 11 25 e-mail: poststelle@stama.hessen.de Yes, they do charge a fee. The current exchange rate being abt. 1.33 ----- Original Message ----- From: <ELQuinter@aol.com> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 10:06 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Marburg > Does anyone know an address of the Hessian Archives Repository in Marburg > where info on soldiers is located? My John Lutsey (or Luetze/Lutze/Lutzig) does > not appear in Hetrina as I understand it. I thought I might pursue a > different angle. > I didn't find him in the Pension records books either under any similar > spelling. He died in 1827; he received a bounty supposedly in ca.1783 in PA. > Ironically, I spent a year at Phillips Universität in Marburg in 1971. I read the > old script if I would need to. > Any other suggestions appreciated. > Edward Quinter

Does anyone know an address of the Hessian Archives Repository in Marburg where info on soldiers is located? My John Lutsey (or Luetze/Lutze/Lutzig) does not appear in Hetrina as I understand it. I thought I might pursue a different angle. I didn't find him in the Pension records books either under any similar spelling. He died in 1827; he received a bounty supposedly in ca.1783 in PA. Ironically, I spent a year at Phillips Universität in Marburg in 1971. I read the old script if I would need to. Any other suggestions appreciated. Edward Quinter

RootsWeb Message Boards - Message [ Re: Hessian soldier Kleinschmidt/Smith ]Subject: Re: Hessian soldier Kleinschmidt/Smith Author: John Merz Date: 04 Jul 2005 2:48 AM GMT Email: In one of Bruce E. Burgoyne's books, titled "They also served", Women with the Hessian Auxiliaries, published 1999 by Heritage Books, Inc., page 41, I found the following note: "KLEINSCHMIDT. Ann, nee Townsend, (American) from Charleston, South Carolina, married Quartermaster Sergeant Friedrich Jacob Kleinschmidt of the Benning Regiment, on 6 December 1781 at Charleston. One would have to check Hetrina records of the Archives in Marburg about this soldier, whether he returned to Europe or remained in America. Cheers, John Merz, retired Hessian researcher.

Forwarded to list! n. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Jack & Fran Pennington" <jackpenn@verizon.net> Reply-To: "Jack & Fran Pennington" <jackpenn@verizon.net> To: <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> Subject: Hermann/Harmon G. Schneider Hessian Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 18:15:56 -0700 Dear Nelda, I have just been going over the information I and others have posted in the Archives. To persue this Hermann/Harmon G. Schneider, once more at this later date, just might shake someones memory. John had found only one Hermann Schneider who was listed in Hetrina I under #6897-98 and it says he was born 1753/54 at Frankenberg/Hessen and belonged to the Hesse Kassel Regiment von Huyn. He was listed on the rolls in May 1776 and as being present in Feb. 1783. Nothing was stated as to his status, no discharge,, no desertion or other date listed. Therefore from this source we do not know what happened to him. Harmon G. Schneider married Elizabeth Baumann 1781 in PA. His father was Mattheus Schneider. I would like to know more about the father Mattheus Schneider and family if possible and then maybe we could prove our descent from the above Harmon G. Schneider which so far is just family lore. Another, question, if married 1781 can Harmon Schneider still be present on the rolls Feb. 1783? Thank you and welcome home John. Fran Pennington Washington State

Just a last thought on the part of mine - these two Ansbach soldiers escaped both in the vicinity of the James River, Boettgen on the 31. May 1781 and Busch on the 7. Aug. 1781, and they sure knew each other. Boettgen deserted after some rather hard punishment he received for a previous desertion attempt. Can't really blame him, I would have done the same. Cheers, John Merz (I would love to help more, but I don't have my resources anymore) ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" <jmerz@cogeco.ca> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 10:31 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Re: Ansbach Soldier Leonhard BUSCH > Although it is late and I am tired, I think we are on the > brink of finding the true "CONRAD BUTT", and I want you > to know that the e-mail of Karen might have put us on > the right track. Perhaps Bob can check out the name > Konrad BOETTEN, of the 3.Company of the Ansbach Regt. > misspelled in Doehla's book as Private Paethen, pages 142 > and 152. > Cheers, > John Merz

Eh, Jimmy, my research files are at the S.A.R. Library in Louisville, KY, so I am just guessing - it's either the Ansbach soldier Christian Kaesebauer, or the Hesse-Kassel Regt. Rall soldier Martin Karsbach. Check the mail list archives for either of these names. Regards John Merz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bible, Jimmie L. (Jr.)" <jbible@liberty.edu> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 7:29 AM Subject: [HESSIAN] Carbaugh or Kerbaugh or Karbaugh > Hello List, > > I am seeking information on a possible Hessian soldier. I have very > little information on him. Family traditions says that the family came > from a Hessian soldier. The name is Carbaugh today, but suppossly it was > spelled with a "K" during the revolutionary war, so it would have been > Karbaugh or Kerbaugh with no known first name. Any help in this matter > would be greatly appreciated. > > Jimmy Bible >

Hi, A thank you, I'm sure was meant for the list! Nelda Your welcome Larry...n. ----Original Message Follows---- From: Larry and Alison Bogan <bogan@glinx.com> To: Nelda Percival <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: {not a subscriber} J.N.A. Bogen' s record in the Hetrina Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 14:38:58 -0300 Thanks for sending this on....I got a couple of valuable replies. Regards, Larry Bogan Nelda Percival wrote: HI, To send an email to a list you must be a member... I have forwared this message on to the list for you, but you need to subscribe...... Nelda List Manager

Bob and Friends, Sounds like we are getting somewhere. I reviewed my notes on my forebear "Conrad Butt" and find that when I viewed his will in Pickaway Co, OH a few years ago, I noted that he was literate as he had signed his name clearly, Conrad Bott. That is a small leap to make to Konrad Boetten. For some reason the family has spelled the name Butt in this country. Butt isn't that far of Bött and Anglicizing the rest makes it believable. Comment? Thanks Bob & John!!!! Russ

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Hello List, I am seeking information on a possible Hessian soldier. I have very little information on him. Family traditions says that the family came from a Hessian soldier. The name is Carbaugh today, but suppossly it was spelled with a "K" during the revolutionary war, so it would have been Karbaugh or Kerbaugh with no known first name. Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. Jimmy Bible

Russ, Karen, John et al -- John wrote: > Although it is late and I am tired, I think we are on the > brink of finding the true "CONRAD BUTT", and I want you > to know that the e-mail of Karen might have put us on > the right track. Perhaps Bob can check out the name > Konrad BOETTEN, of the 3.Company of the Ansbach Regt. > misspelled in Doehla's book as Private Paethen, pages 142 > and 152. Städtler lists: Boetten, Konrad, Gemeiner. A III. Des. 31. 5. 81. "A III" is Städtler's unit code for the company commanded by "Stain" whom Städtler omits from his lists. Von Eelking identifies him as "Heinrich Carl Friedrich von Stein [zum Reitzenstein]" with rank of Captain from 09 Feb 1777; i.e., he was promoted to Captain for the expedition to America. A cursory scan of the dates of desertion on Städtler's list did not reveal another desertion on that date. Bob Brooks

Hello Russ, Bob, and Karen; Although it is late and I am tired, I think we are on the brink of finding the true "CONRAD BUTT", and I want you to know that the e-mail of Karen might have put us on the right track. Perhaps Bob can check out the name Konrad BOETTEN, of the 3.Company of the Ansbach Regt. misspelled in Doehla's book as Private Paethen, pages 142 and 152. Cheers, John Merz ----- Original Message ----- From: Zwonk@aol.com Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 6:48 AM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] PML Search: Ansbach Soldier Leonhard BUSCH In a message dated 7/2/2005 8:19:55 PM Central Standard Time, jmerz@cogeco.ca writes: Karen & John, You will recognize in the contents of the original eMail a description of my forebear Conrad Butt whose daughter married Leonard Baugh/Bach's daughter. If we could find substantiating sources for the story, it might go a long way in identifying where Leonard and Conrad arose. This is exciting stuff. Best Wishes Russ Ehler

Hello Nelda, and hello to all my friends south of the border - I wish you a "HAPPY FOURTH OF JULY", let the bells ring for freedom and liberty everywhere. I am still bushed from the fabulous two weeks of excitement during my Germany trip and will report to you in a few days after my recovery. All the best, John Helmut Merz, retired at the shores of Lake Ontario. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelda Percival" <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 11:38 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Welcome home John > Hi John, > Glad your safely home... can't wait to hear about your trip and all the > events! > Nelda > > Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG >

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Hello I'm looking for a hessen soldier who probaly deserted during the yourney through germany, because he married in 1779 at a village in Holland named De Wijk. His name was in holland Johann Cristopher Otten born at 10-04-1741 in Sielen.In the churchrecords in Sielen they find a Johann Christian Hofedtiz,born att 11-04-1741 . excuse my english greetings Jaap Profijt

John, Karen & Russ -- I do not find a Leonhardt Baugh, Bach, etc. in Städtler's list of Ansbach-Bayreuth Soldiers. Also, I do not see a Conrad Butts. In fact, there are no soldiers named Baugh or Butt found in Städtler on any of his three lists (returned, dead, remained). Städtler lists: Busch, Leonard, Gemeiner. A II. Des. 7. 8. 81. A check of Döhla or anothers journal would place the regiment on 07 Aug 1781 but from memory, they would have been somewhere in the vicinity of Jamestown. The "wanted list" in an 1802 issue of the *Bayreuther Zeitung* (sp?) lists "der Mousq[uetier]. Leonhardt Busch, aus Wallhausen" indicated he had hereditary property in Germany (and probably in Wallhausen). On MapQuest, http://www.mapquest.com/maps/main.adp?country=DE I find four Wallhausens but I can not identify any with either Bayreuth or Ansbach. Wallhausen, Baden-Württemberg, Konstanz, DE Wallhausen, Baden-Württemberg, Schwäbisch Hall, DE Wallhausen, Rheinland-Pfalz, Bad Kreuznach, DE Wallhausen, Sachsen-Anhalt, Sangerhausen, DE I can't get from "Busch" to "Baugh" but the only other Leonard [or Leonhardt] B___'s on Städtler's list of those who remained in America were: Battle, Leonard, Jäger. J II. Des. 9. 4. 83 in Virginien. Baumgärtell, Leonhardt, Gemeiner. B II. Des. 2. 10. 82. Buttler, Leonhard, Jäger. J II. Dezember 1782. Bob Brooks ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" <jmerz@cogeco.ca> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 9:21 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] PML Search: Ansbach Soldier Leonhard BUSCH > Could that be him, the settler Leonard BAUGH ? > Listed in Clifford Neal Smith's Monograph No.2 > "Mercenaries from Ansbach and Bayreuth, Germany, > who remained in America after the Revolution". > John Merz > (reading and digesting 205 e-mails in my in-box, will take > a few days, but let me say - I am safely back home) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "karen zach" <karen.zach@sbcglobal.net> > Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 10:05 PM >> Source: INMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [inmontgo] Touch of MOntgomery in BAUGH Bio >>

Hello Jaap Profijt, Your English is excellent. Other List Members, Can any of you help this person? John would you have any idea where this person could look for information? Nelda Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ ----Original Message Follows---- From: "jaaprof@tiscali.nl" <jaaprof@tiscali.nl> Reply-To: "jaaprof@tiscali.nl" <jaaprof@tiscali.nl> To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HESSIAN] hofeditz Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 15:50:33 +0200 (CEST) Hello I'm looking for a hessen soldier who probaly deserted during the yourney through germany, because he married in 1779 at a village in Holland named De Wijk. His name was in holland Johann Cristopher Otten born at 10-04-1741 in Sielen.In the churchrecords in Sielen they find a Johann Christian Hofedtiz,born att 11-04-1741 . excuse my english greetings Jaap Profijt

In a message dated 7/2/2005 8:19:55 PM Central Standard Time, jmerz@cogeco.ca writes: Karen & John, You will recognize in the contents of the original eMail a description of my forebear Conrad Butt whose daughter married Leonard Baugh/Bach's daughter. If we could find substantiating sources for the story, it might go a long way in identifying where Leonard and Conrad arose. This is exciting stuff. Best Wishes Russ Ehler