<CLIP> Loyalists' grave site found in Sandy Hook > Published in the Asbury Park Press 07/11/05 > BY CAROLE ANN LANG > GUEST WRITER The story presented was so filled with error, that the true story needs to ne told in the words of the participants. The participants were not Loyalists but rather members of the Royal Navy. What may come as a surprise to some is that Royak Bavy was in New York Harbor after the evacuation of that place. The letter is lengthy so will be provided in two parts. The orginal is found in the UK at The National Archvies (formerly PRO) in ADM 1/491, ff. 11-13. Assistance* at Sandy Hook 2d Jany 1784 Sir Captain [Hon'ble Alexander Forrester Inglis] Cochrane in the Sophie** having been detained longer by some Days than I intended; in the first place for the purpose of expediting the Transports yet remaining in these parts; and since by Snowy weather, affords me opportunity of performing with unspeakable regret the disagreeable task, of accquainting you for the inform-ation of my Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, of a most distressing Accident which happened in the manner following Vizt Our Seamen are so prone to desertion, that on the 31st Ultimo, between the Hours of three and four, Six of them under the command of a Midshipman, being sent in the Long Boat (which had only two Oars and one Sail) with empty water Casks in her, in order to fetch full ones in lieu thereof, from the Bridgewater Transport; at Anchor a little astern of us; overpowered the Midshipman, cut the Rope they were again to be hauled ahead by, and made for the Jersey Shore - As soon as perceived, Common men being no longer trusted five having deserted the Day before; the Hon'ble Hamilton Douglas Hallyburton***, first Lieutenant of this His Majesty's Ship Lieut James Champion**** of the Marines Eleven Gentlemen of the Quarter Deck; as Pr Margin; and one seaman went eagerly into the Barge in the fullest confidence of catching the Long Boat; but soon after they put off, the Weather thickened with Snow; and the Wind which was E N E freshned [sic] so as very soon to blow hard, When it grew dark we fired a Gun every half hour, untill half past 9 OClock and no Boat appearing, we took it for granted, they had got safe onshore, the Water when they first left the Ship being quit smooth. Yesterday it blew hard all Day, and this morning it being moderate and clear we got sight of both Boats, laying aground on the Jersey Shore (The Barge having her Head toward the Sea and her Grapnail ahead of her at some distance from each other. An inhabitant told us this Morning, that the Deserters had landed safe, and we of course flattered ourselves, that the Gentlemen who were in the Barge, had done so too but no body appearing near either of them we sent an Officer onshore, in the Sophie's Boat, to look for the Gentlemen and bring the Boats off; when to the unutterable grief of us all, we found ashore in a swampy place, a considerable way within the Barge, with their faces landwards, the dead Bodies of Lieut Hallyburton Lieut Champion and eight Midshipmen, the Bodies of three and that of the Seaman, not having been found, some of us flatter ourselves they may be yet safe - * 4th Rate, 50 guns, 1045 tons(bm), 146 ft x 41 ft. Launched 12 Mar 1781 by Baker shipyard at Liverpool. She was the falgship of the new RN North American Station, moved from New York to Halifax at the peace. Commodore Sir Charles Douglas was the new CinC N. America entroute to take command. ** Correctly La Sophie, formerly a large French privateer of 22 guns captured 12 Sep 1782 at the mouth of the Delaware. Purchased as a 6th Rate Frigate of 28 guns, 388 tons(bm), 108½ ft x 34½ ft. *** Date of rank as Lieutenant: 19 Feb 1781 **** Date of rank as 1st Lieutenant of Marines: 03 Jan 1779 [to be continued]

The following concerns British Loyalist, rather than Hessians, but it may be of interest to the List: Loyalists' grave site found in Sandy Hook Published in the Asbury Park Press 07/11/05 BY CAROLE ANN LANG GUEST WRITER With much of the action of the Revolutionary War taking place in and around New York, the Sandy Hook Lighthouse was a high-priority location for both the patriots and the British. But with many warships of the main British fleet stationed in Sandy Hook Bay, the lighthouse remained under royal control throughout the war. And it was here that what has been described as "the last tragic incident" of the war occurred. It happened on an overcast New Year's Eve in 1783. The conflict was officially over, the peace treaty having been signed the previous September. A number of British warships were still anchored in Sandy Hook Bay, assigned to help evacuate British troops and Loyalists from New York City. Eleven seamen from the British ship HMS Assistance deserted, fleeing to Sandy Hook. A detachment of 14 Loyalist troops, led by 21-year-old 1st Lt. Hamilton Douglas Halyburton, began a hot pursuit. But shortly after leaving the ship, Halyburton and his men were attacked — by a howling blizzard. All those in the company perished and were eventually found frozen to death in a Sandy Hook salt marsh. The deserters were never found, never caught, but the Loyalists were buried in a common grave. Later, Lt. Halyburton's mother, the dowager Countess of Morton, had a monument erected over the resting place of her son and his comrades. But vandals destroyed the marker so completely that the grave site was lost. Fortunately, the bodies were found in 1908, when a group of workmen grading a railroad bed for the U.S. Army came upon the burial site under the sands of the peninsula. The bones were taken to Cypress Hills National Cemetery in Brooklyn, where they now truly rest in peace. Carole Ann Lang of Towson, Md., is a former longtime resident of Camden County with an interest in New Jersey history.

Unsubscribe ----- Original Message ----- From: AMREV-HESSIANS-D-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:AMREV-HESSIANS-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: AMREV-HESSIANS-D@rootsweb.com<mailto:AMREV-HESSIANS-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 10:00 AM Subject: AMREV-HESSIANS-D Digest V05 #111

Rodney Atwood's "The Hessians" has a break down in the back about the general employment of all the Hessian (from Hesse Cassel) regiments during the war. Sources like AG Bauermeister's letters sometimes detail where particular units are quartered. Broadly speaking, the Grenadier battalion von Linsing participated in or was posted at: Long Island, NY, 1776 White Plains, NY, 1776 Ft Washington, NY, 1776 Ft Lee, NJ, 1776 In New Jersey, 1776 (2nd) Trenton, NJ, 1777 Brandywine, PA, 1777 Germantown, PA, 1777 Ft Mercer, NJ, 1777 At Philadelphia, PA, 1777-1778 Monmouth, NJ, 1778 At New York 1778-1783 Charleston, SC, 1780 Hope that helps, Robert Sulentic > -----Original Message----- > From: James Funkhouser [mailto:j.a.funkhouser@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 12:55 PM > To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HESSIAN] history of Hessian units > > I will be grateful for suggestions on how to identify the > actions of Hessian units in the War for Independence. I'm > interested in Mallet's Company of the Linsing Regiment. Thank you. > > Jim Funkhouser > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > Please stick to our published subject - Hessian Soldiers of > the American Revolution, not WWII or the Civil War. No other > Immigrants. > You can search the archives for a specific message or browse > them, going from one message to another. > To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your > family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added > in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

I will be grateful for suggestions on how to identify the actions of Hessian units in the War for Independence. I'm interested in Mallet's Company of the Linsing Regiment. Thank you. Jim Funkhouser

John, Thank you for the information. It gives me a good starting point to research. I have a Carbaugh family reunion this weekend so maybe I can find more clues to the identity. Again thanks. Jimmy -----Original Message----- From: john [mailto:jmerz@cogeco.ca] Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 3:57 PM To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Carbaugh or Kerbaugh or Karbaugh Eh, Jimmy, my research files are at the S.A.R. Library in Louisville, KY, so I am just guessing - it's either the Ansbach soldier Christian Kaesebauer, or the Hesse-Kassel Regt. Rall soldier Martin Karsbach. Check the mail list archives for either of these names. Regards John Merz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bible, Jimmie L. (Jr.)" <jbible@liberty.edu> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 7:29 AM Subject: [HESSIAN] Carbaugh or Kerbaugh or Karbaugh > Hello List, > > I am seeking information on a possible Hessian soldier. I have very > little information on him. Family traditions says that the family came > from a Hessian soldier. The name is Carbaugh today, but suppossly it was > spelled with a "K" during the revolutionary war, so it would have been > Karbaugh or Kerbaugh with no known first name. Any help in this matter > would be greatly appreciated. > > Jimmy Bible > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== HETRINA - "Hessische Truppen im Amerikanischen Unabhaengigkeitskrieg" Six Volumes covering Hessen-Kassel, Hessen-Hanau, and Waldeck. HETRINA does not cover Braunschweig/Brunswick, Ansbach-Bayreuth or Anhalt-Zerbst. Those are partly covered by other publications. This list was started in 1998 by Johannes (John) Helmut Merz, and you will find his explanations about HETRINA in our mail list archives. ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Hello Bill, and Karen: General Riedesel was the commanding officer of all German auxiliary troops in Canada, which included the Anhalt-Zerbst Regiment as well as the Braunschweiger (Brunswicker) and Hessen-Hanau troops. The Brunswick troops included a Regt. v. Riedesel and a Regt. v. Specht, plus others. The Clements Library does have the Muster Rolls of those troops mentioned, plus some Hessen-Kassel troops stationed in the American colonies. John Merz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Derrow" <lwderrow@comcast.net> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] records > Don't the names (Riedesel and Specht) included in the "Anhalt Zerbst" > entry look like those associated with the Braunschweig troops? I've > looked at Braunschweig records at Clemens, but don't seem them listed. > > Bill Derrow > Washington, DC > > Karen Stuart wrote: > > >Listed here: http://www.clements.umich.edu/Webguides/Arlenes/G/German.html > > > >On 7/5/05, Cindy Hoffman <smoketownuniv@myactv.net> wrote: > > > > > >>The University of Michigan Clemens Library holds some microfilm where I > >>found my Henry Hoffman on a roll call just after Yorktown. I would need to > >>dig into my files to find the specific name of that file, but I remember I > >>found it listed in their online catalog. > >>

Don't the names (Riedesel and Specht) included in the "Anhalt Zerbst" entry look like those associated with the Braunschweig troops? I've looked at Braunschweig records at Clemens, but don't seem them listed. Bill Derrow Washington, DC Karen Stuart wrote: >Listed here: http://www.clements.umich.edu/Webguides/Arlenes/G/German.html > >On 7/5/05, Cindy Hoffman <smoketownuniv@myactv.net> wrote: > > >>The University of Michigan Clemens Library holds some microfilm where I >>found my Henry Hoffman on a roll call just after Yorktown. I would need to >>dig into my files to find the specific name of that file, but I remember I >>found it listed in their online catalog. >> >> >> > > >==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== >HETRINA - "Hessische Truppen im Amerikanischen Unabhaengigkeitskrieg" >Six Volumes covering Hessen-Kassel, Hessen-Hanau, and Waldeck. >HETRINA does not cover Braunschweig/Brunswick, Ansbach-Bayreuth or Anhalt-Zerbst. Those are partly covered by other publications. >This list was started in 1998 by Johannes (John) Helmut Merz, and you will find his explanations about HETRINA in our mail list archives. > >============================== >Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > >

Wilhelm Christian Worfelmann born 1734/1735 place unknown was a medical assistant in von Bose upto 1778 then Trümbach. was Prisoner of War. Ed

Listed here: http://www.clements.umich.edu/Webguides/Arlenes/G/German.html On 7/5/05, Cindy Hoffman <smoketownuniv@myactv.net> wrote: > > The University of Michigan Clemens Library holds some microfilm where I > found my Henry Hoffman on a roll call just after Yorktown. I would need to > dig into my files to find the specific name of that file, but I remember I > found it listed in their online catalog. >

John -- <<clip>> I have never put the Hanau Jaeger Corps together with the > Hessen-Kassel Jaeger Corps, they never served together, they never > even came close to each other. And they did not serve with the > Burgoyne army. They were brought over from Hanau after the > Burgoyne army surrendered at Saratoga. One advance team served > with St. Clair against Stanwix, New York State I stand corrected. It was the Hesse-Hanau Artillery not the Hesse-Hanau Jägers who surrendered with Burgoyne (as well as the Hesse-Hanau Regiment and a bunch of Brunswickers) Bob Brooks

Bob, you are right, in my Personal Data Files I have Kaspar's dates of birth as 1750/51, while in a list of Hessian Jaeger's it was listed as 1751/52. (Heck, what's in a year, he probably was born 1752.) I have never put the Hanau Jaeger Corps together with the Hessen-Kassel Jaeger Corps, they never served together, they never even came close to each other. And they did not serve with the Burgoyne army. They were brought over from Hanau after the Burgoyne army surrendered at Saratoga. One advance team served with St. Clair against Stanwix, New York State, But I cannot give any more details, because I quote this from memory, my material 'rests in peace' at the S.A.R. Library, and the Ameliasburgh, Ontario facility. Have a nice summer, while I am still recuperating from an exciting but strenouos trip to Germany. Cheers, John Merz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Brooks" <rcbrooks@pivot.net> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:12 AM Subject: [HESSIAN] Kaspar Losing, Hessen-Kassel Jaeger Corps. > >> Losing, Kaspar, 1.Comp., Kassel Jaeger Corps, born 1751/52, > >> in Meiningen, deserted Nov. 1779, Hetrina IV, also > >> PA-Oaths 10 Nov.1782. > > HETRINA IV says born 1750/51, not born 1751/52. JAG1 was not the first > Jägerkompanie to deploy. (JAG4, Capt v. Wrede came in August 1776, JAG2 > Capt. Ewald came in Nov 1776, then JAG1, JAG3, JAG5 and JAG6 arrived in Apr > 1777). JAG1 was supposed to be mounted but rarely had horses. With the > arrival of the Jäger recruits comprising JAG1, JAG3, JAG5 and JAG6, the > Jägerkorps was established comprising six companies of Hesse-Cassel Jägers > and one company of Ansbach-Bayreuth Jägers. Later (1779) a second company > of Ansbach-Bayreuth Jägers would be added. Too often the Jäger Corps is > miscalled "The Hessian Jäger Corps." Jägers from Hesse-Hanau were part of > Burgoyne's army and the so-called "Convention Army." > > In Nov 1779, the Jäger Corps were in winter quarters guarding the Harlem > shore of the Harlem River ("Crique" [creek], as Ewald called it). > > Bob Brooks > >

>> Losing, Kaspar, 1.Comp., Kassel Jaeger Corps, born 1751/52, >> in Meiningen, deserted Nov. 1779, Hetrina IV, also >> PA-Oaths 10 Nov.1782. HETRINA IV says born 1750/51, not born 1751/52. JAG1 was not the first Jägerkompanie to deploy. (JAG4, Capt v. Wrede came in August 1776, JAG2 Capt. Ewald came in Nov 1776, then JAG1, JAG3, JAG5 and JAG6 arrived in Apr 1777). JAG1 was supposed to be mounted but rarely had horses. With the arrival of the Jäger recruits comprising JAG1, JAG3, JAG5 and JAG6, the Jägerkorps was established comprising six companies of Hesse-Cassel Jägers and one company of Ansbach-Bayreuth Jägers. Later (1779) a second company of Ansbach-Bayreuth Jägers would be added. Too often the Jäger Corps is miscalled "The Hessian Jäger Corps." Jägers from Hesse-Hanau were part of Burgoyne's army and the so-called "Convention Army." In Nov 1779, the Jäger Corps were in winter quarters guarding the Harlem shore of the Harlem River ("Crique" [creek], as Ewald called it). Bob Brooks

Unsubscribe >From: "Nelda Percival" <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> >Reply-To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com >To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [HESSIAN] RULES Please read! >Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 16:09:27 -0700 > >Hi List, > >Hi, > >What you are subscribed to is a mailing list. A mailing list is a group of >people researching the same surname/ subject / or area of land, as the >list's name. The email you send to the list goes out individually to each >member of the list (including a copy back to you) from the server. We >should email to the list address with who we are, whom / what we are trying >to find and or what we would like to share with others. If like myself you >have lots to offer then you state what you have and are willing to share. >If you read an email that you can help with, then answer that email. >Directly if you want to, but I ask that it be sent to the list so that all >may share the information. (a copy is also stored in the archives.) > >If you find a website or anything that may help another member then send >part of the info and the URL to the mailing list. > >When answering by reply to an email keep that subject in the subject line, >but delete most of the first message so that it doesn't take up so much >room. This keeps the messages together in the archives and uses less memory >space. Change subject line when the body of the subject changes. Use >subject lines accurately, in other words not just Help/need info but, a >precise name and dates and place if you have it. A descriptive subject is >much more likely to get a response as old timers sometimes won’t read all >emails and go by subject lines only. > >As long as the conversations between members of the list are about >genealogy type things then by all means keep it on the list. But, if it is >a private message, jokes..ect. then send it to the members private email >address, not the list. List subjects should be kept on tract. > >When someone helps you, either privately or on the list let them know how >much that help meant to you. Some times you can even let everybody know how >helpful this person is by letting the list know. All of us need to be >appreciated publicly once in a while. > >If you are offended by what someone has to say then still be courteous >about your answer. Do not Flame anyone.. If you have a problem then bring >it to the list's admin privately, for that is one of the jobs an >administrator is supposed to do, be a moderator. The Administrator has the >finale word about anything, except rootsweb.com policy which none will >violate including the administrator. > >Even though we do not personally know each other, we are members of the >same family, even if there is no connection by surname. For we are members >of the family of genealogist, and it is by helping each other that we will >keep our free study of our many varied histories. > > >Also one other thing, before you send an email of someone else’s to another >party (person) have their permission. Rootsweb.com wants all of us to obey >the copyright laws.. >Items of concern for me the list manager Which will get you removed from >the mailing list: >These two items will get you removed or moderated. > >1. Please remember that your use of RootsWeb's resources implicitly >signifies agreement with RootsWeb's Acceptable Use Policy (AUP). Please >read our usage policy at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html. If you >do not agree with these conditions, you must not use RootsWeb's resources. > >2. Flaming other people via an email and the list. > >Items that will get you a message from me: > >3. Please do not send VIRUS WARNINGS TO THE LIST.... SEND THEM TO ME... I >will investigate and warn the list when/if needed. > >4. Before... Sending an email that discusses something like you just >finished your book on such and such subject and it is now available for >sale the price and anything like that talk to me off list!! I will get back >to you with-in 24 hours... > >ITEMS of exception: You may bring to the list's attention relevant items of >interest you found listed at an online auction site or other resource. "In >all such exceptions prices will be taken up privately between the parties >involved, not on the list." > >I hope this explains what a mailing list is, what it is for and how to use >it. >Nelda >List manager > >  > > > >==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== >The subject of this list - Hessian Soldiers of the American Revolution No >other wars - no other German immigrants. Please stick to the subject. You >can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from >one message to another. To search: >http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS >To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

I am descended from Johann Caspar Losey, and family tradition says he was a Hessian Soldier who deserted. My family lived in Stillwater Twp., Susssex Co., NJ. There a many variants of the Losey name found in the early church records of this area. This Hessian website is a great way to find more data. I am a subscriber. You can reach me at idevy@kinex.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" <jmerz@cogeco.ca> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 6:31 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Re: PML Search: Kaspar Losing, Hessen-Kassel Jaeger Corps. > For your information and our mail list archives: > > Losing, Kaspar, 1.Comp., Kassel Jaeger Corps, born 1751/52, > in Meiningen, deserted Nov. 1779, Hetrina IV, also > PA-Oaths 10 Nov.1782. > (I have no further information) > John Merz > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <billsdotter@yahoo.com> > Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 4:20 PM > > Source: HENDERSHOT-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: Lost Losey > > > > Hi Wendy, > > If you've only found 3 spellings for Losey, you probably need to keep > looking! > > > > I don't think I have a "Jacabus Loyse" in my known line. Do you have dates > for him, or locations? Further research and help from others has revealed my > line as follows > > : > > Cora Losey m1: Isaac Jacobus; divorced. m2: Floyd Hendershot. > > > > Cora's parents: Nathan Losey and Louisa Koker. > > > > Nathan's parents: Christopher Losey and Sarah Savacool. > > > > Christopher's parents: John/Johann Losey and Hannah Hendershot. > > > > John/Johann's parents: John/Johann Caspar Losey and Anna Elizabeth > Schuster. > > > > John Caspar Losey is believed to have been a Hessian deserter during the > Revolutionary War. I have not been able to trace him prior to his arrival in > America. > > > > I have a lot of dates and details, but not with me at the moment. Does > this seem to tie in with your research at all? What do you have on Jacobus > Loyse? > > > > Sue > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > The Source HETRINA has been discussed more often than anything > else, you find the explanations by checking the key word archive. > You can find it by typing in "26 feb 1999" and look for HETRINA. > Or check the Threaded Archives for February 1999 - Hetrina publication. > You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. > To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

The University of Michigan Clemens Library holds some microfilm where I found my Henry Hoffman on a roll call just after Yorktown. I would need to dig into my files to find the specific name of that file, but I remember I found it listed in their online catalog. Cindy

Hello Peggy, I am happy to hear that you are hooked on genealogy, so let's make nails with heads :-) As you may have noticed, I did forward your story to the AMREV-HESSIANS mail list, which I founded many years ago, and which has all messages archived. I would suggest that you look at the archives, perhaps even subscribe, and learn about those 'exciting' Hessians who chose freedom and remained in America, making it an even better place to live. To subscribe click on AMREV-HESSIANS-L-request@rootsweb.com and just type subscribe in the text field. Nothing else. A confirmation should be coming in a few minutes. Hope you enjoy reading all the great stories which portray your country's early history. Cheers John Helmut Merz retired after 20 years of 'Hessian' chasing at the shores of Lake Ontario. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peggy Hendricks" <pphendricks@yahoo.com> To: <jmerz@cogeco.ca> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 5:09 PM Subject: Hessian soldier Kleinschmidt/Smith > Dear Mr. Merz (or are you Dr.?) > Thank you for responding to my plea for help with > this Kleinschmidt/Smith fellow - on July 4th, no less! > I'll try to check the Hetrina records for him. I'm > very new at this genealogy fun, so have to learn how > to proceed when the going gets rough. > The other part of the story that we have about > our man is that he was captured by the Americans, > wound up training Americans, and was later given land > for his services. We don't know where any of these > events took place. From your research: where were > captured Hessian soldiers most likely held; was land > given to soldiers by the states for their service; > and was he likely an officer since he did training? > Let me know if I'm pestering you too much. My > mother, a Smith, has worked on this problem, without > using a computer, for years. I naively thought I > could help her with a prompt solution once I retired. > Am learning that genealogy, an appealing blend of > history, geography, and research, is not quite as > quick or easy as I anticipated. However, I'm hooked! > Thanks for any further help or hints, > Peggy Hendricks > pphendricks@yahoo.com >

LUTSEY in our mail list archives won't get you any informattion. Try http://boards.ancestry.com/ and enter Lutsey in all Boards (first query box) = over sixty hits. enter Lutsey in second query box - 1 hit, but you should add your information for others to read and to get replies. Good luck John ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" <jmerz@cogeco.ca> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Marburg, etc. - go for mail list archives. > Hello Edward, > I would suggest to go through our mail list archives for the > information you are seeking. Not only will you find the > address of the Staatsarchiv Marburg, but you may find the > Lutsey/Luetze information as well. <SNIP>

Hello Edward, I would suggest to go through our mail list archives for the information you are seeking. Not only will you find the address of the Staatsarchiv Marburg, but you may find the Lutsey/Luetze information as well. Once you have that, you have a better idea of what's missing and it will enable you to ask precise questions. Good luck, John Merz ----- Original Message ----- From: <ELQuinter@aol.com> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 11:06 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Marburg > Does anyone know an address of the Hessian Archives Repository in Marburg > where info on soldiers is located? My John Lutsey (or Luetze/Lutze/Lutzig) does > not appear in Hetrina as I understand it. I thought I might pursue a > different angle. > I didn't find him in the Pension records books either under any similar > spelling. He died in 1827; he received a bounty supposedly in ca.1783 in PA. > Ironically, I spent a year at Phillips Universität in Marburg in 1971. I read the > old script if I would need to. > Any other suggestions appreciated. > Edward Quinter > You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. > To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L

Ed -- >>> Does anyone know an address of the Hessian Archives Repository in >>> Marburg > where info on soldiers is located? <<< http://staatsarchiv.digam.net/index.php?act=Kontakt <<<clip>>> I read the > old script if I would need to. <<< The records are written either in old German script or a hybrid of script and Roman characters for mames and phonetically-spelled place-names with a few Latin words thrown in. Based on my experience viewing less than a dozen Hesse-Cassel records I found that the Monatliche Listen [monthly lists] in the "blaue Nr" [blue number] series vary significantly from regiment-to-regiment. Some follow the "standard" British format whereas others are more of a "memorandum" format. In general, the only information I found was Rabk, Name, [aus] Place of Origin, age, height, date and reason being recorded [promotion, transferred in, transferred ot, recruited, died, deserted, etc.] The "standard" British format header is a numerical accounting by rank and condition. There can be a substantial cost involved with obtaining records from Marburg. Some correspondents have received copies from microfilm at no cost while others have received a bill for 25 to 30 Euros. The archives does not accept credit cards so you have to get a bank check payable in Euros. In the USA that service carries a bank fee of about US$ 20. I do not know of any public repository besides Hessiches Staatsaeciv Marburg which has a copy of the film. If anyone on the list knows of a public source holding the microfilm, pleas post the info to the list. Bob Brooks