What this probably means is that he was assigned and joined this particular regiment on active service in 1783. He was originally enlisted or inducted in 1777. The time between 1777 and 1783 he could have served in another regiment at home or been awaiting a vacancy to occur. German armies were very stingy with soldiers' pay. They were often granted extensive leave, such as during harvest time, during which time they did not receive pay but were subject to being called-up. However, this is a lengthy period to await a vacancy. Some regiments were generally preferred over others due to location and living conditions, extra uniform and or food allowances, and the prestige of the regiment and it's commander. I am extrapolating from the Prussian practice which was the general pattern of other German principalities. Don Fehlings Renton, Washington, USA Tel: 425/255-8588 Dfehlings@aol.com
HETRINA says a Hessian soldier was recruited or inducted in June 1777 and appointed in the unit rolls in Feb. 1783 What does "appointed in the unit rolls" mean? Thanks. Jim Funkhouser
Edward. You need to search the list archives for Dudenhofen. There are lots of references for you. See the tag line below for how to do it. Happy hunting, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Frank" <edlfrank@msn.com> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 9:07 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Dudenhofen >I am descended from several surnames from Dudenhofen. Some family members >served as soldiers in our Revolution. Some of my ancestors are Samuel >Jaeger, Johann Seyboldt, Hans Kratz, and Petzinger, Walther, Seibert, >Hartmann, Fenchel, Dietz, Schrodt, Mühl, Reis. I have information from the >Schwalm Assoc. on Petzinger and Kratz and would like to fill in the other >men from Dudenhofen who served witht he Hessian units, especially those who >are related to me. > > I would also like to obtain the book containing the records of the > Lutheran Church as it would help me enormously to verify the accuracy of > my own research. > > I noticed that a member of this list mentioned a Christian FISCHER from > Merxheim. A German named K. Herbert Küstner has published a whole series > of books of church records from the German state of Pfalz, including > Merxheim. I would be happy to answer inquiries from folks with an > interest in Merxheim as I have a copy of the book for that church. > > Please write if you have family in common. > > > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~ > You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going > from one message to another. To search: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L >
Hello Robert, Thanks for once again providing light through the fog. Most appreciated. Jeri > A word of caution on the use of Chasseur. > > In > the case of the Hanauers, I've seen the Hanau Jager Corps (which spent most > of the war in Canada) describes as Chasseurs too. > > Anspesade, is a mangled spelling of "Anspessade". a 'lance corporal' > The soldier so > described is less than a corporal, but more than a private. > > > -Robert Sulentic > >
I am descended from several surnames from Dudenhofen. Some family members served as soldiers in our Revolution. Some of my ancestors are Samuel Jaeger, Johann Seyboldt, Hans Kratz, and Petzinger, Walther, Seibert, Hartmann, Fenchel, Dietz, Schrodt, Mühl, Reis. I have information from the Schwalm Assoc. on Petzinger and Kratz and would like to fill in the other men from Dudenhofen who served witht he Hessian units, especially those who are related to me. I would also like to obtain the book containing the records of the Lutheran Church as it would help me enormously to verify the accuracy of my own research. I noticed that a member of this list mentioned a Christian FISCHER from Merxheim. A German named K. Herbert Küstner has published a whole series of books of church records from the German state of Pfalz, including Merxheim. I would be happy to answer inquiries from folks with an interest in Merxheim as I have a copy of the book for that church. Please write if you have family in common.
Hello, A word of caution on the use of Chasseur. It could mean different things depending on who was doing the talking. For example, the Brunswick "Light" infantry battalion von Barner (which was raised specially for the war) had four companies of men styled Chasseurs and one of men styled Jaegers. They even had different uniforms and equipment, the Jaegers wearing green coats and carrying rifles, and the Chasseurs wearing blue coats and carrying smooth bore muskets. The Hessian units in New York in 1778 and 1779, drafted off men from the Hessian infantry battalions to form a couple companies of again 'light' infantry who were also styled Chasseurs. These men were sent out with the Jaegers on foraging missions around New York City. They kept the uniforms and equipment of their parent regiments, and were sent back to them in the winter. In the above cases, a chasseur is not a jaeger. However, I have seen where Hessian Jaegers are referred to as Chasseurs, which confuses everybody. In the case of the Hanauers, I've seen the Hanau Jager Corps (which spent most of the war in Canada) describes as Chasseurs too. An orginizational note: The Hesse-Cassel Jager companies were never part of any of Hesse-Cassel Infantry Regiments. Unlike the British, the Hessians did not have 'light infantry' companies in their regiments, only one flank company of grenadiers and five of musketiers (or fusiliers if it was a fusilier regiment). Anspesade, is a mangled spelling of "Anspessade". It is a French military term, also spelled lancepessade, lanspessade, and is one of those fun words left over from the middle ages, and is actually from the Italian "lanze spezzata" or a "broken lance", meaning essentially a free mercenary soldier. It is also where the term "free lance" comes from, but I digress. In the 18th century, it means a rank of soldier equivalent to a 'lance corporal' (its also where that term comes from) or a senior private soldier. One sometimes sees the German word "Gefreiter" used instead. The soldier so described is less than a corporal, but more than a private. I have also seen the word 'knecht' used to describe the officer's servants, but Im not sure anyone so described is actually a soldier or not. -Robert Sulentic > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Brooks [mailto:rcbrooks@pivot.net] > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 2:31 PM > To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Soldier ranks > > Jeri -- > > A "batman" is the British term for and officer's valet or > servant. In German, he was called a "Bedienter." > > A "Chasseur" was the French term for the rank & file of a > British "Light Infantry" company, one of the two "flank" > companies in a British Regiment of Foot (i.e., infantry) In > German, he was called a "Jäger." The other "flank" company > was a company of Grenadiers. During the War of Americance > Independence, the British detached the flank companies and > atteched them to composite battalions of Light Infantry or > Grenadiers, as applicable. In the case of the Germans, the > Jägers had already been detached from the infantry regiments. > For the American campaign, the regiments from Hesse-Cassel > and Brunswick had their Grenadiers detached and they deployed > with Composite battalions of Grenadiers. > > I do not recognize the term "Anspesades." > > Bob Brooks > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Schindler" <2shins@charter.net> > To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 2:12 PM > Subject: [HESSIAN] Soldier ranks > > > > I'm woefully ignorant in things military. And the French > language doesn't > > help. Can someone enlighten me? > > In reading rosters of Hanauers I find Colonel or Captain > > Somebody-or-other "and his batman." > > What is a batman? Or for that matter, "Anspesades." Are > "Chasseurs" > > infantry? > > > > Jeri > > > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > You can search the archives for a specific message or browse > them, going from one message to another. > To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > **************** > To unsubscribe: send an email to AMREV-HESSIANS-L-request@rootsweb.com > and write one single word unsubscribe in subject line and > text field. > No other words or explanations or it won't work. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your > family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >
Hello Tom Senf, before you make that trip to Louisville, Kentucky, I would suggest to you to check the mail list archives of this AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com mai list http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L and check the countless sources of Hessian soldiers information. I do know that someone of the Johannes Schwalm Historical Association was searching for a Johann Christian SENF, also that there were two Brunswick soldiers, one Wilhelm SEMPF, and one Lucas SEMPF, listed in Clifford Neil Smith's Monograph # 1 - Brunswick Deserter - Immigrants of the American Revolution. I do know that the Schwalm's were researching a Gottlieb SENFF, who was captured at Saratoga and joined the American forces as Captain of Engineers. This is all I can tell you, but this list could help you further. Regards, John Helmut Merz, retired on the shores of Lake Ontario. ----- Original Message ----- From: <tomsenf@bellsouth.net> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 9:29 AM Subject: Record of SENF at SAR Library > Mr. Merz - Sorry to bother you in your retirement. I am a 40 year member of the SAR doing some research on my Dad's side of the family. > > Various historical sources mention a Johann Christian Senf, a Wilhelm Sempf, and a Gottlieb Senff as being with the Brunswick (Hessian) troops that surrendered with Burgoyne at Saratoga. Do you recall that the research records that you gave to the SAR Library contained any record or any mention of these three individuals? I believe that they may likely be the same person. > > I plan to go from my home in Georgia to Louisville to the SAR Library to learn more about them and hopefully that they are ancestors of mine. Do you recall these surnames? I would greatly appreciate any help or direction you can give me. I know that you are the foremost authority. Thank you very much. Tom Senf > > My email address is: tomsenf@bellsouth.net >
What is 'Filby's'. Allan Clark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Ferry" <brothers3.rf@tds.net> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Marburg, etc. - go for mail list archives.(Filby's) >I know personally that at least some "Hessian" soldiers > appear in Filby's. Maybe even all of them do. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <ELQuinter@aol.com> > To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 12:03 PM > Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Marburg, etc. - go for mail list archives. > > >> Listers: >> As you have probably seen on here lately, I have been trying to track >> down >> one John Lutsey(Johann Lutzig?). >> He doesn't appear in Hetrina. I wrote to PA and National Archives. > According >> to their records, he did not receive Bounty or Depreciation Land in PA, >> although it was mentioned by family oral tradition as such, and made its > way to >> print in a family history without verifiable documentation. "Supposedly" > he was a >> Hessian and deserted to join Continental Line. In print he was even a > Col! >> How do I find a possible record as a possible German fighting directly > for >> the British and not part of a Hessian unit, hence not showing up on > Hetrina? I >> was thinking of checking Filby immigration records, but am unsure if > military >> would appear. >> Many thanks! I have been learning so very much. >> Edward Quinter >> Allentown PA > > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > The Source HETRINA has been discussed more often than anything > else, you find the explanations by checking the key word archive. > You can find it by typing in "26 feb 1999" and look for HETRINA. > Or check the Threaded Archives for February 1999 - Hetrina publication. > You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going > from one message to another. > To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >
-haven't checked the archives have ya? "Filby's Passenger Lists". Last I looked, they contained some 23 volumes of immigrants to America (and some Isles), listing the sources for the information. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Clark" <allanc@ca.inter.net> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Marburg, etc. - go for mail list archives.(Filby's) > What is 'Filby's'. > > Allan Clark > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Ferry" <brothers3.rf@tds.net> > To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 5:38 PM > Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Marburg, etc. - go for mail list archives.(Filby's) > > > >I know personally that at least some "Hessian" soldiers > > appear in Filby's. Maybe even all of them do. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <ELQuinter@aol.com> > > To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 12:03 PM > > Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Marburg, etc. - go for mail list archives. > > > > > >> Listers: > >> As you have probably seen on here lately, I have been trying to track > >> down > >> one John Lutsey(Johann Lutzig?). > >> He doesn't appear in Hetrina. I wrote to PA and National Archives. > > According > >> to their records, he did not receive Bounty or Depreciation Land in PA, > >> although it was mentioned by family oral tradition as such, and made its > > way to > >> print in a family history without verifiable documentation. "Supposedly" > > he was a > >> Hessian and deserted to join Continental Line. In print he was even a > > Col! > >> How do I find a possible record as a possible German fighting directly > > for > >> the British and not part of a Hessian unit, hence not showing up on > > Hetrina? I > >> was thinking of checking Filby immigration records, but am unsure if > > military > >> would appear. > >> Many thanks! I have been learning so very much. > >> Edward Quinter > >> Allentown PA > > > > > > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > > The Source HETRINA has been discussed more often than anything > > else, you find the explanations by checking the key word archive. > > You can find it by typing in "26 feb 1999" and look for HETRINA. > > Or check the Threaded Archives for February 1999 - Hetrina publication. > > You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going > > from one message to another. > > To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > > > > ============================== > > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. > To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > **************** > To unsubscribe: send an email to AMREV-HESSIANS-L-request@rootsweb.com > and write one single word unsubscribe in subject line and text field. > No other words or explanations or it won't work. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >
<<<clip>>> I wonder if there >> is a roster somewhere of those prisoners at these camps?? >> Somehow, Christian ended his days as a POW at the camp in >>Reading, PA and it was from there that he indentured himself. >HETRINA VI has the index to records at the archives in Marburg. > I do not own a copy of HETRINA VI. This is a listing of records in the State Archives according to a German researcher. He was researching the Braunschweigers and the name "Wrede" and similar sounding names. Of particular interest to me was the September 14, 1779, muster roll of Carl Simon Wrede and Heinrich Wrede at the Charlottesville Barracks. I had found the rest of this information about the Braunschweiger soldiers named "Wrede" in other sources. This gave me the information that Heinrich Wrede (possible brother of Carl Simon Wrede) was also at the Barracks and that he was an officer's servant. This doesn't mean that this information isn't somewhere that I haven't looked. Maybe somebody on the list knows. Louise F. Hodge Military Records on the Brunswick Troops kept at the State Archives in Wolfenbüttel 38 B Alt 260, vol. 1 (alphabetical): Nahmentliches Verzeichniß aller vom Herzogl. Braunschweig. Corps in America vor den Feind gebliebenen, an Wunden oder Krankheit gestorbenen, desertirten, oder auf sonstige Art abgegange Officiers, Unterofficiers, Gemeine und Knechte [1783]: no Frede Sergeant Conrad Freytag, Regiment v. Rhetz, Company of Obristlieutnant Ehrenkrook, b. Werni-gerode [abt May/June 1736], age 41 years, 5 months, d. auf dem Winterhill 9 Nov 1777 Carl Simon Wrede, Regt. v. Rhetz, Leib-Compagnie, b. Braunschweig [abt 1756/57], age 24, deserted at Winchester 3 Feb 1781 Georg Wrede, Rgt. v. Riedesel, Comp. of Capt. v. Pöllnitz, b. Oelper [abt 1757], age 20, deserted v. Winterhill 1 Dec 1777 Heinrich Wrede, Rgt. v. Riedesel, Comp. of Capt. v. Pöllnitz, b. Wolfenbüttel [abt 1761/62???], age 21 years, 9 months, Kriegsgefangener (captured), date unknwon Heinrich Wrede, Zeltknecht, Rgt. Specht, Leib-Compagnie, b. Thune [abt Aug 1755], age 21 years, 11 months, d. Carillon 6 Jul 1777 vol. 2: Was es eigentlich für Bewandniß mit denjenigen Leuten hat, wovon es heißt, sie dienen dem Feinde, oder sie haben sich vorserved(?), davon siehe des Major Cleve Bericht vom 28sten August 1794 in actis den Mousquetier Grimm aus Hohengeiss betr.: Sergeant Conr. Freytag, b. Wernigerode, age 41 years, 9 months, d. on the Winterhill 9 Nov 1777 Carl Sim. Wrede, b. Braunschweig, age 24, deserted at Winchester 3 Feb 1781 Georg Wrede, Comp. v. P., b. Oelper, age 20, deserted v. Winterhill 1 Dec 1777 Hr. Wrede, b. Wolfenbüttel, age 21 years, 9 months, Kriegsgefangener (captured), date unknown Hr. Wrede, Z. K., b. Thune, age 21 years, 11 months, d. Carillon 6 Jul 1777 245 N 27: Aufstellungen über die 1776 in Stade nach Amerika eingeschifften braunschweig. Truppen, der dorthin entsandten Truppen und Rekrutentransporte sowie über die aus Amerika nach Wolfenbüttel zurückkehrenden Truppenteile [Abschriften P. Walters], o. J. [um 1890?]: No names of soldiers listed. Nach Amerika marschirten 1776 folgende Truppen (jedes Bataillon 890 Mann stark u. 6 Comp.) 3 Escadrons Dragoner unter Oberstlieut. Baum. 1 Bat. Prinz Friedrich unter Oberstlieut. Praetorius 1 Bat. Riedesel unter Oberstlieut. v. Speth 1 Bat. Specht unter Oberstlieut. v. Specht 1 Bat. v. Rhetz unter Major v. Ehrenkroook 1 Bat. Grenadiere unter Major Breymann 1 Bat. Freiwillige, bestehend aus Infanterie und 1 Comp. Jäger zu Fuß unter Major v. Berner. 38 B Alt 231: Tractat zwischen Sr. Großbritannischen Majestaet und dem regierenden Herzoge von Braunschweig vom 9. Januar 1776. Dabei Listen von den ausmarschierten Herzogl. Braunschw. Lüneb. Trouppen: without names of soldiers. 38 B Alt 249: Muster-Rollen der in der Conventionsgefangenschaft befindlichen Truppen, 1777-1783: Bl. 79: Muster Rolle von Staab und Leib Comp. von des General Major von Riedesel Regiment so wie selbe gemustert ist auf denen Barracken in Albemarle County den 14. Sept. 1779. Staab: Officier Knecht: Heinrich Wrede Bl. 97: Muster Rolle von des Genr. Major v. Rhetz Regiment und Leib Compagn. auf den Barraquen in Albemarle County den 14. Sept. 1779: Gemeine: Carl Wrede 38 B Alt 247: Stammrollen der in den Jahren 1777, 1778 und 1779 zur Rekrutierung der in englischen Sold überlassenen Fürstl. Truppen nach Amerika abgeschickten Unteroffiziere und Mannschaften, 1777-1780:Bl. 102: Erster Transport, abmarchirt den 25ten Febr: 1777: Bl. 142: Zweyter Transport, abmarchirt den 1ten April 1778 Bl. 174: Stamm Rolle des zur Recroutirung derer Herzoglich Braunschw. Lüneburg. Trouppen dem 25te Maertz 1779 nach America abgehenden Recrouten Transport Bl. 271: Dritter Transport abmarchiert den 25ten Mart: 1779 No Wrede listed. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------ Geburts- und Handwerkerbriefe 1473 1849 (State Archives Wolfenbüttel, Urk. Abt. 151): Nr. 41: 1796 Febr. 19, Braunschweig. Der Kaufmann Johan Gottfried Philipp Bohnstädt zu Braunschweig beurkundet, dass August Christoph Frede aus Wolfenbüttel bei ihm von 1790 1795 eine fünfjährige Lehrzeit im Galanterie-, Seiden-, Linnen- und Ellenhandel abgeleistet habe. Unterschriften der Vorsteher der Kramergilde Conrad Wilhelm Krause und Johann Heinrich to der Horst, des Ausstellers (m. Lacksiegel) und des Gildekommissars Orth. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------
I am not an authority on the Oath of Allegiance. My study of Rev. War and Maryland history indicates that the oath was required by the individual states in about 1778 due to a strong lingering Tory influence and insurgency. In Maryland, and I think some other States as well, those who refused to sign the Oath could have their property confiscated. The State government's were Patriot at that time. It was similar to inducements to enroll in the various State militia's. This is why nearly all men of military age, and fit to serve, did enroll in the militia. Actually serving when called on active duty was another matter altogether, and many did not serve. The USA encouraged open immigration with few restrictions for many years. Such restrictions as existed were due mostly to State laws and enforcement. The early Federal Alien and Sedition laws were aimed at deportation of disloyal individuals some of whom were alleged to be foreign agents. Don Fehlings Renton, Washington, USA Tel: 425/255-8588 Dfehlings@aol.com
30 years ... "deserted 1778 in N.J." puts him in what outfit? ----- Original Message ----- From: <JeanShar40@aol.com> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Marburg, > > I have the same problem with my GGGgf Conrad Luther, he shows up no where but > in his Oath of Allegiance 1782 in Phila., he has an entry of former Hessian, > left the ranks in 1778 NJ. > no other record found. > > Family history has always had him as a former Hessian.He was m in Lancaster > 1789, He is on the 1790 census there. but where oh where was he from 1778 til > 1789? > > Still looking after 30 yrs but getting older............ > Jeanie Sharbaugh
>>> The oath you speak about was required by everyone. <<< I am not sure that this is entirely true. I know that the Continental Congress passed an act in early 1776 requiring everyone over age 21 to sign. In New Hampshire, the signing was completed in the autumn of 1776. Thereafter, at least in New England, I have never encountered the requirement that the oath be taken after the first act. I am aware that Pennsylvania and Viriginia didn't ratify the Continental Congress act until 1777. The bottom line is that "one size does not fit all." Bob Brooks
I know personally that at least some "Hessian" soldiers appear in Filby's. Maybe even all of them do. ----- Original Message ----- From: <ELQuinter@aol.com> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Marburg, etc. - go for mail list archives. > Listers: > As you have probably seen on here lately, I have been trying to track down > one John Lutsey(Johann Lutzig?). > He doesn't appear in Hetrina. I wrote to PA and National Archives. According > to their records, he did not receive Bounty or Depreciation Land in PA, > although it was mentioned by family oral tradition as such, and made its way to > print in a family history without verifiable documentation. "Supposedly" he was a > Hessian and deserted to join Continental Line. In print he was even a Col! > How do I find a possible record as a possible German fighting directly for > the British and not part of a Hessian unit, hence not showing up on Hetrina? I > was thinking of checking Filby immigration records, but am unsure if military > would appear. > Many thanks! I have been learning so very much. > Edward Quinter > Allentown PA
During the Revolutionary War, the Pennsylvania General Assembly passed an act, dated 13 June 1777, that all men must sign the Oath or Affirmation of Allegiance, renouncing the authority of King George the III. This was passed by a general militia law and made full provision for the enrollment of all persons fit for miliatry duty and established a test and oath of allegiance. Found in "Oaths of Allegiance to the State of Pennsylvania" by Thompson Westcott, published by Genealogical Publishing Company, Baltimore, 1965: Conrad Luther , my GGGgf,took the required Oath 1782 as having deserted Hessian line in 1778 NJ.
> 2) Is Hetrina on-line? I've looked for printed > version at one genealogy library so far, but to no > avail. No, it is not online. You can still purchase it from Marburg. All six volumes cost about $140 USD. Karen
Dear Edward Quinter; In a previous answer to your question I advised you to look at the Rootsweb Message Boards, in particular for the one named LUTSEY. At the time I checked that board, there was only one entry, and I said in order to get answers to use that board for your search. Checking today, there was one more message on it, but that one was not from you, it was from somebody else. So may I ask you why your message is not on that board? If you are seriously searching, you turn every stone and use every avenue open to you. The new message put on by somebody else, incidentily does mention your Hessian, at least you know that someone else is looking for answers too. BTW, have you looked for the name LUETZE? End of my sermon, cheers John Merz. ----- Original Message ----- From: <ELQuinter@aol.com> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Marburg, etc. - go for mail list archives. > Listers: > As you have probably seen on here lately, I have been trying to track down > one John Lutsey(Johann Lutzig?). > He doesn't appear in Hetrina. I wrote to PA and National Archives. According > to their records, he did not receive Bounty or Depreciation Land in PA, > although it was mentioned by family oral tradition as such, and made its way to > print in a family history without verifiable documentation. "Supposedly" he was a > Hessian and deserted to join Continental Line. In print he was even a Col! > How do I find a possible record as a possible German fighting directly for > the British and not part of a Hessian unit, hence not showing up on Hetrina? I > was thinking of checking Filby immigration records, but am unsure if military > would appear. > Many thanks! I have been learning so very much. > Edward Quinter > Allentown PA > To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > ****************
Hi, The oath you speak about was required by everyone. There was a group of Quakers in PA who refused and were transported to jail and then into VA because they would not sign it... (long story and off topic for here.) So I'm sure all Hessians who stayed did at some time sign it.. Nelda Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/
In a message dated 7/18/2005 1:04:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ELQuinter@aol.com writes: He doesn't appear in Hetrina. I wrote to PA and National Archives. According to their records, he did not receive Bounty or Depreciation Land in PA, I have the same problem with my GGGgf Conrad Luther, he shows up no where but in his Oath of Allegiance 1782 in Phila., he has an entry of former Hessian, left the ranks in 1778 NJ. no other record found. Family history has always had him as a former Hessian.He was m in Lancaster 1789, He is on the 1790 census there. but where oh where was he from 1778 til 1789? Still looking after 30 yrs but getting older............ Jeanie Sharbaugh
Listers: As you have probably seen on here lately, I have been trying to track down one John Lutsey(Johann Lutzig?). He doesn't appear in Hetrina. I wrote to PA and National Archives. According to their records, he did not receive Bounty or Depreciation Land in PA, although it was mentioned by family oral tradition as such, and made its way to print in a family history without verifiable documentation. "Supposedly" he was a Hessian and deserted to join Continental Line. In print he was even a Col! How do I find a possible record as a possible German fighting directly for the British and not part of a Hessian unit, hence not showing up on Hetrina? I was thinking of checking Filby immigration records, but am unsure if military would appear. Many thanks! I have been learning so very much. Edward Quinter Allentown PA