Good Morning, First, Nelda, I love your new project and appreciate John's gift to us all. Thank you so much. I am not related, just sharing the following: I discovered the following biography and wondered if anyone is researching Cramer (Kramer) descendants whose Hessian initally lived near Philadelphia, then moved to Maryland . Three or four Cramer/Kramers are listed in John's 'Guide' and many more in Hetrina, etc Warm regards to all, Jane wmcurci@aol.com http://pages.prodigy.net/halschwalm/jshacomb.html Cramer, Jonas (Kramer) Hesse-Hanau; Schluechtern; Private; Grenadier Company; HETRINA Vol VI; Captured at Saratoga October 1777, sold himself as indentured servant at Reading; Married Catharina Schaber and settled at Reading. Could this be our Hessian? There are many more, however. http://www.tdn-net.com/genealogy/stories/biograph/biog-ae/2316.htm 1900 Biographical History of Miami Co Ohio, Biography 2216 MICHAEL CRAWMER For many years a resident of Miami county, Michael Crawmer was one of its most highly respected citizens and in his death the community lost one whom all had learned to respect and honor for his sterling qualities of head and heart. He was born in Frederick county, Maryland, near Frederick City, on the 12th of February, 1811. His grandfather was a Hessian soldier who fought in the Revolutionary war. He came to this country with the British army, but, becoming convinced of the justice of the American cause, he deserted near Philadelphia and established a home in the new world. After the war he took up his abode in Maryland and thus became the founder of a family on this side of the Atlantic. Peter Crawmer, the father of our subject, came to Muskingum county about 1833, and here spent his remaining days. His son, Michael, was reared in Maryland, being twenty-two years of age when the family came to Ohio. He learned the cooper's trade in Muskingum county, serving a regular apprenticeship, during which time he received twenty-five cents per week and his board. Subsequently he worked as a journeyman, receiving twenty-five cents each for flour barrels. During that year Mr. Crawmer was married, on the 28th of October, 1838, to Miss Miranda Mumford, a sister of John Mumford. They at once began housekeeping, Mr. Crawmer making his own furniture, while the cooking utensils and other furnishings of that character were given them by their parents. During the first winter after his marriage Mr. Crawmer's labors at coopering brought him sufficient capital to enable him to purchase a horse, and the next spring his brother-in-law, George Mumford, removed them to Miami county. For two years Mr. Crawmer rented a farm north of Alcony and subsequently spent thirteen years on the Dr. Beard farm. His labors during that period brought him capital sufficient to enable him to make a third payment upon one hundred and sixty acres of the old homestead farm. He purchased this in 1853 and at once began its further development and improvement. A small clearing had been made and a small 1og house had been erected. With characteristic energy Mr. Crawmer took up the work of development and improvement and within two years not only had his land under a good state of cultivation but had discharged the entire indebtedness on the place. For eighteen years he there carried on agricultural pursuits and was a most systematic and enterprising general farmer. In 1857 he erected the barn which is still standing. The timber was cut upon the farm and the structure is as it was originally built, having been kept in good repair. The residence was erected in 1861, the old-fashioned heavy frames being used. Mr. Crawmer made the plans for both the house and barn and gave his personal supervision to the work. He placed about one hundred and thirty-five acres of his land under cultivation and divided the farm into fields of convenient size, which yielded him a golden tribute in return for his care and labor. He reclaimed a swampy tract of several acres by tiling and made that portion of his farm the most productive and valuable part of it, having refused one hundred and fifty dollars per acre for it. About 1870 he began adding to his property, purchasing forty-five acres adjoining the old homestead. His farm was planted to the grains best adapted to the climate, and his labors were rewarded with excellent harvests. During the last thirteen years of his life he lived retired, relegating the management of his property to others while he enjoyed a well merited rest. Unto Mr. and Mrs. Crawmer were born the following children: Henry G., who died at the age of forty-five years; Elizabeth Ann, wife of Henry Leffel, of Clark county; George W., of Elizabeth township; John P., of Clark county; Miranda Ellen, wife of James Ledwidge, of Miami county; Mary Amanda, wife of W. D. Weaver, of this county; James W., of Elizabeth township; Robert, who died in infancy, as did the next child; Charles E. S.; and Maggie L., who married E. L. Davis and died at the age of twenty-five years. In his political views Mr. Crawmer was a stanch Democrat and kept well informed on the issues of the day, yet never sought or desired public office, caring not to enter into political controversy. His opinions were formed as the result of careful deliberation, and he accorded to all the right he reserved for himself of working out his own ideas and exemplifying them in his ballot. At the age of sixteen years he joined the Lutheran church and throughout his life was a consistent Christian gentleman. He contributed generously to all church work an was very liberal in his views, although he believed most firmly in the teachings of the scripture. He read the Bible through seven times and was well qualified to argue on any subject connected therewith, making a close study of religious questions. He was absolutely just and fair in his treatment of friends and neighbors and was never known to over-reach anyone in a business transaction. He felt the keenest interest in the welfare and advancement of Miami county, which he regarded as the garden spot of Eden. His support was withheld from no measure which he believed would prove of public good and he was recognized as one of the valued citizens of his community. Some time prior to his death he gave much thought to the division of his property and left a will which was pronounced to be one of the most correct ever probated. His wife, who was a most estimable lady and devoted to her home and family, passed away on the 20th of September, 1881, but he survived her for about sixteen years, dying on the 12th of August, 1897. All who knew him esteemed him for his sterling worth. In business matters he was prompt and reliable, his religious views were consistent yet tolerant, and in his relations with his fellow men he was known as a trustworthy friend and a loving husband and father, as well as a loyal citizen. He well deserves mention among those whose influence and labors have been directed in those channels which make the world better among ethical as well as moral lines. ###### http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2438004& id=I520414890 I believe Daniel CRAWMER is Peter CRAWMER's brother. Researchers do not know Daniel's father's name, however. ID: I520414890 Name: Daniel CRAWMER Given Name: Daniel Surname: Crawmer Sex: M Birth: 28 Sep 1780 in Pennsylvania Death: 21 Jul 1867 in Muskingum Co. Ohio Burial: 24 Jul 1867 Muskingum Co. Ohio Change Date: 20 Feb 2003 Note: Living with Basil Crawmer, son, in 1850 and 1860 Census records in Falls Township, Muskingum County, Ohio. Located in Frederick County, Maryland in 1820 and 1830 Census records. Marriage 1 Mary "Polly" MUMFORD b: Abt 1785 in Pennsylvania Married: 28 Jan 1816 in Middletown,Frederick Cty,Maryland Note: _STATMARRIED Children Mary Catherine CRAWMER b: 1827 in Frederick Cty,Maryland Basil CRAWMER b: 1 May 1817 in Maryland Daniel CRAWMER b: 1 Oct 1819 in Maryland Phillip CRAWMER b: Abt 1820 in Maryland Jesse CRAWMER b: 5 Oct 1826 in Maryland George CRAWMER b: 1828 in Maryland James Phillip John CRAWMER b: 25 Feb 1830 in Maryland Juley Ann CRAWMER b: 23 Sep 1831 in Maryland William CRAWMER b: 1838 in Muskinghum County,Ohio Peter CRAWMER b: 10 Jan 1824 in Maryland Here are just a few references in our files regarding Hessians who have the surname Cramer/Kramer. Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 22:19:30 -0500 From: "John Merz" <hessian@cgocable.net> To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <026e01c04869$96d855e0$c259e218@hala1.on.home.com> Subject: [REV-HESSIANS] Re: Dieter's Prison {PA?} Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Hessians, anybody ever hear of this Dieter's Prison, it is new to me, but the name Cramer sure is well known, there are alone three or four listed in my 'Guide' and many more in Hetrina, etc., We should have a first name too, to narrow things down. John Merz, www.cgo.wave.ca/~hessian ----- Original Message ----- From: RKCedar@aol.com Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 7:21 AM I have been told that my German Cramer origins come from a Cramer that was in Dieter's Prison during the American Rev. War. I believe this place would have been in the Philadelphia area. How would one find a list of prisoners to look? Sincerely, Roger E. Cramer - RKCedar@aol.com Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 21:03:09 -0500 From: "John H.Merz" <hessian@cogeco.ca> To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <01f301c18831$4f1f2220$e9229618@hala1.on.cogeco.ca> Subject: [HESSIANS] Re: Oldwick church records (Nikolaus Fenner and others) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just looked at this record some more and found (made it my S#207) Caspar Loose (Kaspar Losing) & Anna Elisabeth Schuster 19/4/1779 Hessian Jaeger reported deserted Nov.1779. Jn.Matthias Craemer (Johann Matthias Kraemer) & Anna Rosina Heart 20/10/1783. (Ansbach-Bayreuth Jaeger deserted after June 1780) (Mind you, there was also a Matthias Cramer & Margaryt Reed, 6/01/1785) There must be more in there. ............................................................. Hello Hessians, Nicholaus Fenner to Catherine Bohm on 30 Dec 1783 at Oldwick, but I never wrote down where this information could be found. It is here, just found it again http://members.aol.com/njdata/oldwick.html ##### http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/textindices/A/AMREV-HESSI ANS+2001+13302817234+F Also, I find him in 1786, as one of the sponsors for the baptism of Elizabeth, daughter of "Larance Kremer and Gertruy Klapper", in the Reformed Church, Claverack, Columbia County, NY. Smith lists "Lorenz Kraemer" as a Hessen-Hanau infantryman. Reading has led me to believe that KLINTZMANN and KRAEMER escaped, or were allowed to escape, after their capture at the Battle of Saratoga or Bennington and joined the German speaking communities in Columbia County, NY. KLINTZMANN does not show up in the roster of the Convention Army (but, when was that roster drafted?). KLINTZMANN and CRAMER (sic) later show up in the roster of the Albany County Militia -8th Reg.!! I am very interested in when that Regiment was formed and from what area of the then huge Albany County. ##### [HESSIAN] Lawrence/Lorenz Cramer/Kremer, Hanau Regiment http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/textindices/A/AMREV-HESSI ANS+2002+13322712241+F ######

Hi Nelda, Wish I were well enough educated on this subject to be a help. I know John's "Guide" would be a big help. I'd be only too pleased to copy and send you that article if I had it. John sent me an address of a company where I could order one. I wrote to them. No answer. Then my computer went AWOL and took some of my address book with it. So now I can't follow up to see if that company can send one and how much money they need. Does ANYONE OUT THERE HAVE THAT ADDRESS?? Jeri ----- Original Message ----- <clip>From: "Nelda Percival" <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> >John's new offer.. "Hessian Prisoners in American hands", > Who out there on this list has this article? Will one of you please copy the > article so we can add it in? > >One more suggestion for you Nelda - although there are > >about 5-600 of my Guide's in various locations in America, > >it contains an article "Hessian Prisoners in American hands", > >on pages 26 to 30. It gives the route the Convention prisoners took > >from Saratoga to Boston, and a year later from Boston to Virginia., > >with maps and precise dates. > >John Helmut Merz

> > Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] New Goal page & Lancaster Roll page > > > > Nelda: > > > > Thanks so much for making this info available. > > I'm so pleased to have heard about these lists and am hopeful that I can > > find the other end of the alphabet. (need Voges) > > > > Also you mentioned that your cousin used a researcher. Would your cousin > be > > willing to give his/her name and contact information? > > > > Mary Vogus Hoffman > > > > > > > > > > > above. She did not send the names of the books these were extracted > from. > > I > > > have rewritten her for that information. > > > > > > You can look at the scans on these webpages: > > > > > > new goal at: > > > > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/hstry/newgoal1.ht > > m > > > > > > and lancaster at: > > > > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/hstry/lancaster.h > > tm > > > > > > As soon as she tells me what book these lists came from I'll let you all > > > know. > > > > > > Nelda > > > > > > Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ > > > http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > > > HETRINA - "Hessische Truppen im Amerikanischen Unabhaengigkeitskrieg" > > > Six Volumes covering Hessen-Kassel, Hessen-Hanau, and Waldeck. > > > HETRINA does not cover Braunschweig/Brunswick, Ansbach-Bayreuth or > > Anhalt-Zerbst. Those are partly covered by other publications. > > > This list was started in 1998 by Johannes (John) Helmut Merz, and you > will > > find his explanations about HETRINA in our mail list archives. > > > > > > ============================== > > > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > > > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > >

Hi Who out there on this list has this article? Will one of you please copy the article so we can add it in? John, I don't know/remember (my head has been bouncing between all the input) if I thanked you properly! but if I did not.... THANK YOU! every little bit of information will help the new Hessian researcher... Please everyone... go look see, make recommendations of new information to list...or changes that need to be made.... One more suggestion for you Nelda - although there are about 5-600 of my Guide's in various locations in America, it contains an article "Hessian Prisoners in American hands", on pages 26 to 30. It gives the route the Convention prisoners took from Saratoga to Boston, and a year later from Boston to Virginia., with maps and precise dates. I herewith give you written permission to obtain a copy and add it to your website. Perhaps someone can scan it to you and from there on it should be no problem. This would be a tremendous help for those Hessian descendants who are trying to find out when and where their ancestor escaped. Of course this covers only the thousands of Convention prisoners. Hope this will help your project which has my full support. Greetings John Helmut Merz Again what a wonderful group of researchers and Hessian descendants you all are! Nelda Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/

Hi Jane, Thank you.. Yes John's contributions are very welcomed and needed, as is contributions from everyone if this is going to work. Barry and Robert have already sent me some good info.... need more! You will notice the site has: LINKS: Military Units Copied from John's lists, but need definations/introductions for... Robert Sulentic see his website: http://www.vondonop.org/vondonophome.html has offered his histories for this. (I am working on collecting them and putting on the pages. RESOURCES (under) Books to read... we ned a list of books/articles and where how to find them John Merz's research.... Need a consise write up of where and how to find them and if possible a list of whats there. (John is that in the archives? If so I can just copy that with your permission) MAILING LIST ARCHIVES SEARCH & BROWSE... LOL that ones easy.. got it Websites that may help (copied some of John's and some of Robert Sulentic's (But could use more) German Soldiers currently being researched But units unknown ........... This will be added in as you all with unfound soldiers send me your info... How to research your Hessian Barry sent a good start on researching... a MINI LESSION Places to write for records .. WE need addresses of places that have documents... American and German and Canadain Reenactment group's websites ... This is just for fun, and will be a learning experience for those who use it... If you have a URL for one please send it.. Still need your individual soldiers..... your webpage or just the info... but with the unit so I know where to put him! Thank you... Due to your input we will have a wonderful informative website! Nelda LM Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/

Hi Stephen... Yes that is one reason for the website. I think listing the person with the unit he was with... and a url to your webpage or send me the write up.. and I'll create the webpage if you want your email address as a graphic just let me know... sort of like I have my jacob bonstein... Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ ----Original Message Follows---- From: stephen_kohler@mailsnare.net Reply-To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] REVISED WEBSITE Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:01:03 +0000 Nelda and all, it is nice to see these pages again. Iis there any interest in adding links associated to our Hessian Soldier ancestor(s). An example of what I'm thinking follows: http://www.virtualmuseum.ca/pm.php?id=search_record_detail&fl=&lg=English&ex=00000170&rd=78899&sy=itm&st=&ci=265 It is the "House of Christian Swansburg an armourer in a Hessian Regiment who came to Shelburne in 1783. Collection of The Shelburne County Museum, 1783, Jordan Falls, Shelburne County, Nova Scotia, Canada. This early nineteenth century water colour depicts the George Swansburg homestead on the Jordan Post road just east of Shelburne. It represents, in some small way, those individuals of Loyalist decent who persevered to wrestle a livelihood from the poor glacial soils of Shelburne County. George Swansburg was the son of Christian Swinesburg, a Loyalist of Swedish origin who came from Hesse-Kassel, Germany and served as an armourer in a Hessian Regiment fighting with the British during The American Revolution.". Just thinking... /R Stephen Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: Nelda Percival [mailto:nelda_percival@hotmail.com] >Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 08:05 PM >To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [HESSIAN] REVISED WEBSITE > >Hi, >Want to take a look? > >Hessian list website: >http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > >John your information is wondrful... But I really need you to look see if I >got the units right. > >I also need a small introduction for each unit maybe listing the companies >that are under that unit and the battles they fought in, from any of you >really knowledgeable people! We don't need an intro for the units... they >will just hold the names of "our" soldiers and links to either your sites or >a small page I will make with the info you send in... > >Nelda > >Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ >http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > > > >==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== >The subject of this list - Hessian Soldiers of the American Revolution No other wars - no other German immigrants. Please stick to the subject. You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. >To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS >To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > >============================== >New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe click on AMREV-HESSIANS-L-request@rootsweb.com and write one single word unsubscribe in subject line and text field. No other words or explanations or it won't work. ~~~~~~~~~~~ You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

A while back there was mention of the Oaths of Allegiance that each state collected for the new fed. gov. after the Rev. War. I have been told that Pa. Oaths were collected in a book by Thomas Wescott " Oaths of Allegience to the State of Pa." and, that Maryland's Oaths are in a card file at the Baltimore State Archives. I have not been able to find any reference to Wescott's book, either by title, subject of author. I also have not seen any references to the Archives files. It seems to me that since each state collected them for the federal gov. that there ought to be a collection of these somewhere at NARA. I have not found anything. Could these be like Redemption Certificates that Hessians staying behind filled out? In other words, lost? It also seems to me that these would be invaluable for placing our Hessians after the war where they first settled. If anyone has any ideas or information I would be very grateful. Ann agatha1@flash.net

Hi, Want to take a look? Hessian list website: http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ John your information is wondrful... But I really need you to look see if I got the units right. I also need a small introduction for each unit maybe listing the companies that are under that unit and the battles they fought in, from any of you really knowledgeable people! We don't need an intro for the units... they will just hold the names of "our" soldiers and links to either your sites or a small page I will make with the info you send in... Nelda Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/

Nelda: I, for one, would be very interested. Howard Horne > Hi, > I was asked a question off list... "Perhaps a brief explanation of exactly > what this additional site would provide us would be in order. " > > What I would like to do, but is open for changes and or additional > information; is this: > > provide a site where someone unknowlegeable about the German soldier who > fought in the Rev War can learn enough to get started in research, a listing > of units, sub units... and as many Hessians (all units not just Hessians) as > we have people who are researching them on this list... > > like say my Johann Jacob Bonstein, Unit, company (small write up) Webpage > url or contact information for the person researching this > ancestor...Pictures if you want.. the content would be up to you... > > If wanted I can provide graphic email address so they can't be spammed. > > > Nelda > LM > > Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ > http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > Please stick to our published subject - Hessian Soldiers of the > American Revolution, not WWII or the Civil War. No other Immigrants. > You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from > one message to another. > To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at > the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&target > id=5429 >

Nelda - you asked me if I would write an introduction to the new webpage. I offer you a much greater opportunity which will help you and our new subscriber immensily. I found that since my own webpage is off the Internet, those people with questions had nowhere to turn to anymore. My fault really, because I just let my webpage drop when I left the AMREV-HESSIANS list to you. I herewith give you my permission to use my webpage as you see fit - you can find it here on the Way-Back machine http://web.archive.org/collections/web.html and type in http://www.cgo.wave.ca/~hessian or the older version http://cgocable.net/~hessian It does take a little time to load up, so be patient, some of my pictures do not show anymore, also the flag in the centre, which was the German flag (the new one, pardon me) but watch for underlying text, where you can click on for additional pages, like click on The Hessians and the American Revolution, gives you all the different Regiments, numbers, etc. Trusting that this will help you with your new page, I remain yours truly, and good luck. John Helmut Merz (btw. the Way-Back machine brings back other gone-by webpages) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelda Percival" <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Hessian Website > Hi, > WE could have a section for those who are still researching too! > Nelda > For Hessian research in Canada contact the Marilyn Adams Genealogical Research Centre, Ameliasburg, Ontario e-mail 7thtownmagrc@kos.net or check the mail list archives of this list for address. > You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. > To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > ****************

Looks wonderful Nelda! I just wish I knew 1% of what all these wonderful listers do. Toni H. Nelda Percival wrote: > Hi > just a first try... > > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > > > > Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ > http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > Taglines are supposed to give you instructions on how a mail list > works. Please read them, and remove them and part of the original > message (keeping enough of message for a reminder) before sending out > an answer. One last word - Messages should not exceed what you can > type on two letter pages, if you want to say more, make it two > messages - Part one and Part two. > `````````````` > To unsubscribe: send an email to AMREV-HESSIANS-L-request@rootsweb.com > and write one single word unsubscribe in subject line and text field. > No other words or explanations or it won't work. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Nelda, Those were wonderful to view. Sure wish my HACHENBERGER, Jakob had been shown. Looking forward to the reply from your cousin. Toni H. St. Peters, MO Nelda Percival wrote: > Hi, > My cousin Tanya Johnson nee Bonstein sent me copies of the two pages > listed above. She did not send the names of the books these were > extracted from. I have rewritten her for that information. > > You can look at the scans on these webpages: > > new goal at: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/hstry/newgoal1.htm > > > and lancaster at: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/hstry/lancaster.htm > > > As soon as she tells me what book these lists came from I'll let you > all know. > > Nelda > > Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ > http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > HETRINA - "Hessische Truppen im Amerikanischen Unabhaengigkeitskrieg" > Six Volumes covering Hessen-Kassel, Hessen-Hanau, and Waldeck. > HETRINA does not cover Braunschweig/Brunswick, Ansbach-Bayreuth or > Anhalt-Zerbst. Those are partly covered by other publications. > This list was started in 1998 by Johannes (John) Helmut Merz, and you > will find his explanations about HETRINA in our mail list archives. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hi John, WOW! Thankyou... I can move the information to the new site and it will be back up... Thats why I use freepages no cost unlimited space and no need to ever up date.. you forget it and it stays forever... Thank you again Nelda Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/

Please let me get a last word in - when I wrote I was asking for a ten dollar fee or reward or donation, it sure was not a reward in that sense. Many hours of research in each case, paper, printer ink, envelope, postage, etc., you cannot call a 10 Dollar contribution a reward - heavens. On occasions someone would appreciate my work and did mail me a nice reward, these descendants are in my heart and are not forgotten, and these friends and supporters made it all worthwhile. They are not forgotten. I am very happy about the fact that on account of my work the 'forgotten Hessians' are no longer forgotten, and have become the subject of so much interest in the U.S.A., Canada, and Germany, and above all - that so many Americans as well as Canadians are proud of their Hessian ancestor. Respectfully John Helmut Merz (my files are with the S.A.R. Library) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schindler" <2shins@charter.net> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 1:11 PM > You wrote: > < clip> > John ; It is sorry indeed that people would not want to reward > you for helping with their search ..... now, I am only too glad and eager > to send you a check for research > > Sure, Sally, me too. I'd pay many times $10. Probably, quite a few serious > researchers would be willing to pay, but alas John is retired! even though > he keeps an eye on us. *** BTW - it is the Rootsweb organization which keeps an eye on the Hessians for me - the PML service gives me every mail containing the word 'Hessian' or 'Merz', and so these mails end up in my box. :--) John

Hello Sally, and hello Hessians; Thanks for your kind words, but as I said - my files are now in Louisville, Kentucky, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dutton Family" <rdutton1@tampabay.rr.com> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 12:01 PM > Hello John ; It is sorry indeed that people would not want to reward you > for helping with their search .....<SNIP>

Hi, WE could have a section for those who are still researching too! Nelda Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ Hi Nelda, Your new site proposal--------Sounds really interesting---- I am still trying to trace , Christoph Lohr , from a 1783 return of Drummers and Privates of Brunswick Regiment of Dragons.---in Quebec. myrna

Hi Nelda, Your new site proposal--------Sounds really interesting---- I am still trying to trace , Christoph Lohr , from a 1783 return of Drummers and Privates of Brunswick Regiment of Dragons.---in Quebec. myrna On Friday, July 29, 2005, at 11:00 AM, hhorne04@comcast.net wrote: > Nelda: > > I, for one, would be very interested. > > Howard Horne > > >> Hi, >> I was asked a question off list... "Perhaps a brief explanation of >> exactly >> what this additional site would provide us would be in order. " >> >> What I would like to do, but is open for changes and or additional >> information; is this: >> >> provide a site where someone unknowlegeable about the German soldier >> who >> fought in the Rev War can learn enough to get started in research, a >> listing >> of units, sub units... and as many Hessians (all units not just >> Hessians) as >> we have people who are researching them on this list... >> >> like say my Johann Jacob Bonstein, Unit, company (small write up) >> Webpage >> url or contact information for the person researching this >> ancestor...Pictures if you want.. the content would be up to you... >> >> If wanted I can provide graphic email address so they can't be >> spammed. >> >> >> Nelda >> LM >> >> Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ >> http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ >> >> >> >> ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== >> Please stick to our published subject - Hessian Soldiers of the >> American Revolution, not WWII or the Civil War. No other Immigrants. >> You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, >> going from >> one message to another. >> To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS >> To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L >> >> ============================== >> New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your >> ancestors at >> the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: >> http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/ >> tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&target >> id=5429 >> > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > The Source HETRINA has been discussed more often than anything > else, you find the explanations by checking the key word archive. > You can find it by typing in "26 feb 1999" and look for HETRINA. > Or check the Threaded Archives for February 1999 - Hetrina publication. > You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, > going from one message to another. > To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Hi, I need input... do you like it? wrong colors....what??? It is supposed to be a website for the mailing list I will need input... I have added a little to show sorta of what's in my head... but I'd really like to know whats in yours.. http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ nelda Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/

Hello John ; It is sorry indeed that people would not want to reward you for helping with their search ..... now, I am only too glad and eager to send you a check for research, if indeed you are still available for same, I am seeking data about my EDEL-EDELL ancestors, 2 of whom are shown in Archives to have been Hessian Soldiers... If you will let me know please, I appreciate your assistance, and Thank you, Sally Edell Dutton ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" <jmerz@cogeco.ca> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 5:28 PM Subject: Personal Data Files for Hessian Soldiers. > Dear Hessian descendants; > > During my twenty years of doing research in the wherabouts of > Hessian soldiers in the U.S.A. and Canada, I have typed out > countless 'Personal Data Files' for individual Hessian soldiers. > Each file (or name) has cost me countless hours of research, > in some cases I had very little to go on, in others I had plenty > of sources and material, and looking at some copies, there are > PDF's with only six or 8 lines, and there are others with a full > page, 2 pages, even up to nine pages. > > In the beginning of my research, I used to mail them to anyone > asking for it for free, but I soon found out that this was a bad idea, > because anything for free isn't worth much. Right? > That's when I started to charge 10 Dollars for a PDF, and guess > what, many PDF's I created because someone was asking for it, > never were called for, and remained in my files. > Work done, but not appreciated. > > Well, what I want to say with this - all my files are now with the > S.A.R. Library in Louisville, Kentucky, the address has been > published many times on this list, and I will not guarantee it, > but your soldiers PDF may be there, or at least some important > information about your Hessian soldier, your Brunswick soldier, > your Ansbach-Bayreuth soldier, but your Anhalt-Zerbst soldier > may be found in my Canadian repository in Ameliasburg, Ontario. > > BTW. there was not much to report about my visit to Germany. > I'll write about it in the next few days. > > Yours truly > John Helmut Merz > retired (and tired) at the shores of Lake Ontario, where finally a > cool breeze has brought to an end the 'heat wave'. > > ______________________________

Jeri, you could if you wanted to although I would have to convert them as pdf are not allowed on freepages but thats no big deal... the content of what you submit is totally your choice.. lol just nothing naughty.... Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Schindler" <2shins@charter.net> Reply-To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: @SPAM++++++ [HESSIAN] Hessian Website Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:25:37 -0700 Hi, Is this where we would put the PDFs that John has suggested? Jeri ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelda Percival" <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 10:28 AM Subject: @SPAM++++++ [HESSIAN] Hessian Website > Hi, > I was asked a question off list... "Perhaps a brief explanation of exactly > what this additional site would provide us would be in order. " > > What I would like to do, but is open for changes and or additional > information; is this: > > provide a site where someone unknowlegeable about the German soldier who > fought in the Rev War can learn enough to get started in research, a listing > of units, sub units... and as many Hessians (all units not just Hessians) as > we have people who are researching them on this list... > > like say my Johann Jacob Bonstein, Unit, company (small write up) Webpage > url or contact information for the person researching this > ancestor...Pictures if you want.. the content would be up to you... > > If wanted I can provide graphic email address so they can't be spammed. > > > Nelda > LM > > Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ > http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > Please stick to our published subject - Hessian Soldiers of the > American Revolution, not WWII or the Civil War. No other Immigrants. > You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. > To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L **************** To unsubscribe: send an email to AMREV-HESSIANS-L-request@rootsweb.com and write one single word unsubscribe in subject line and text field. No other words or explanations or it won't work. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx