Lynn Phifer <HTHS57@aol.com>: > I am just getting to the Vermont loyalist part of my genealogy so this > comment is more of a footnote than substance. However I would be interested > in learning more about similar profiles. I have not found my family on > muster lists > > My ancestor, Jesse Irish, a Quaker with seven sons came to Danby when it was <.....snip.....> The Quakers were, of course, pacifists and for the most part simply neutral during the Revolution. I found mention of the fate of the Quakers in New Hampshire today. It wasn't wonderful, but it wasn't all that bad either. They were mostly tolerated. New Hampshire isn't Vermont (although the governor of New Hampshire certainly thought that it was), but if this is close enough I can go back to the library for the details I found tomorrow. It's in a book devoted to New Hampshire and only New Hampshire during the Revolution. Let me know. >>> Well, I've been misdirected on this issue for a number of years. Technically yes, Quakers who bear arms are no longer Quakers at that very instance, though Oliver Hazard Perry of the War of 1812 fame was from a RI Quaker family (wish I had a nickel for that unknown fact), Yet we find the formation of the ARW "Fighting Quakers" etal. represented by Benjamin Franklin, Betsy Ross, Mifflin, etc. Upper Canadian Quakers were to retain affiliation to NY Quaker Yearly Meetings well into the late 1800's. The Underground Railway was yet to come. I have found no scholarly research on these early affiliations. Yet, one must look at the London England Mother Meeting whom the US Quakers reported to, controlled by such Lloyd's of London, Barclay's Bank, numerous Quaker military manufactures, merchant empires ...Quaker run all, to truly understand the trans-colonial conflict. Some would equate this to the "Star Chamber", but that was many years off, though Masonic affiliation and cross battle line associations would continue to play prominence during the ARW. Whoaaa to the common farmer citizen soldier! For Vermont, Quaker Timothy Rogers was the equivolent Quaker Moses. He set off for Upper Canada from Danby to settle a new world in Upper Canada. It's little wonder that history doesn't record or proclaim the Quaker achievment with such misinformation as being simply pacifist. Cheers Murray McCombs