In a message dated 6/8/02 4:06:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Hi: I read something not long ago on one of the sites in New York State regarding the Palatines who came to America. These came from (what is now) Germany. They were brought here by the Crown to help with a project the British government was doing. These people were indentured. Upon the completion of the project, they were promised land. Well, the project was not completed (thru no fault of their own) and those people did not receive the land they were promised. This really sounds like what the Crown did in Ulster - promised all those lowland Scots land and then didn't keep the promise. My family went in Pennsylvania with no love of England because of that. Annie ><< The Loyalist characters in my book loved America. I have no reason >to think >they were atypical. They loved their homes, their way of life and their >patriotic kin and neighbors. But they ended up having to leave it all >forever and live out their lives in alien lands. > I might add, I don't see how they could have acted other than they did, or >how the patriots could have treated them other than they did. >> You make a good point, Anne... There were two sides to that issue - at least two sides! <g> In a tiny pocket of (beautiful!) countryside on what is now the state line between NY and VT there was a group of Irish and Irish Palatine immigrants living in a tiny settlement called Ashgrove. The Palatines had been brought out of the Palatinate torn by famine and war, and the one who "saved" them was none other than the English queen. She brought thousands of families to England, and then sent most to the Colonies (for her own less-than-altruistic motives). Hundreds of other Palatine families were sent north to Ireland to live as tenant farmers on estates owned by wealthy landlords. Later, when those same families immigrated to the Colonies to better their lives and to own their own land, they felt a great debt to the Crown. Ira and Ethan ALLEN, who lived in the same 'hood, began raiding, harassing, beating, stealing the animals and burning the homes of anyone who did not declare himself to be a rebel. These Irish Palatines were torn... they, too, loved their new homes and homeland, but they could not fight against the Crown that had given them their freedom and indeed their very lives. Some did not necessarily view themselves as Loyalists, but they could not bring themselves to take up arms against the British. In that particular area and probably in many others it was pretty nearly impossible to stay neutral. Many of these Irish Palatines were driven out and they ended up moving north to Ontario. Susan ______________________________ X-Message: #3 Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 08:57:47 -0400 From: "The Dour Celt" <mcginley@chartertn.net> To: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <003601c20eec$1d9b8f80$7fbb9f18@chartertn.net> Subject: >>