Well, Jim -- you are very incorrect in your assessment of the DAR. It is not a social organization -- it is a service organization. The objectives are Education, History and Historic Preservation. They work with Veterans, immigrants, school children, conservation, American history, genealogical research, preservation of genealogical records, proper display of the American Flag, and many other projects to numerous to mention. If you would like to know more, go to the DAR web site at www.dar.org and check out everything. This is not your grandmother's DAR -- times have changed and so has the organization. Of course there may be members who do nothing more than attend an occasional meeting, but their dues and contributions go toward many wonderful and worthwhile projects. The SAR is very similar. Those guy are out doing programs, cleaning cemeteries, marking historic spots, and many of the same projects that DAR does. For all the great work done by these organizations -- SALUTE!!! Phyllis

Ok, its a service organization, I don't see a big difference between the two. My grandmother, neither of them, would have qualified for the DAR, both were the daughters of Irish immigrants. I'm pretty confident that both wouldn't have been involved in the DAR, they both supported FDR and I suspect that when the DAR refused to allow Marion Anderson (a Black singer) to sing in the DAR Hall in Washington both would have been unhappy about it. Its not that my grandmothers were advocates of intergration its just that they were more advanced that the DAR and were supporters of the President and his wife. Does the DAR today do research into Black involvement in the American Revolution or is that left for any Black women who might want to join. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: <PmpGenie@aol.com> To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [A-REV] Fw: Fw: DAR:Sar > Well, Jim -- you are very incorrect in your assessment of the DAR. It is not a social organization -- it is a service organization. The objectives are Education, History and Historic Preservation. They work with Veterans, immigrants, school children, conservation, American history, genealogical research, preservation of genealogical records, proper display of the American Flag, and many other projects to numerous to mention. If you would like to know more, go to the DAR web site at www.dar.org and check out everything. > > This is not your grandmother's DAR -- times have changed and so has the organization. Of course there may be members who do nothing more than attend an occasional meeting, but their dues and contributions go toward many wonderful and worthwhile projects. > > The SAR is very similar. Those guy are out doing programs, cleaning cemeteries, marking historic spots, and many of the same projects that DAR does. > > For all the great work done by these organizations -- SALUTE!!! > > Phyllis > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

At 11:11 PM 6/5/2002 -0400, James L. Stokes wrote: > Ok, its a service organization, I don't see a big difference between the >two. OK, admittedly it's a murky area. But think of your church -- do you consider it a social group or a service group? I would imagine that if you were plugging it into one of the two areas, you'd consider it a service organization. The primary goal is not to provide a social experience or setting, although that's part of any group. > My grandmother, neither of them, would have qualified for the DAR, both >were the daughters of Irish immigrants. I'm pretty confident that both >wouldn't have been involved in the DAR, they both supported FDR and I >suspect that when the DAR refused to allow Marion Anderson (a Black singer) >to sing in the DAR Hall in Washington both would have been unhappy about it. >Its not that my grandmothers were advocates of intergration its just that >they were more advanced that the DAR and were supporters of the President >and his wife. Actually, I've seen this story two different ways. One is that the DAR refused to allow Marion Anderson to sing in the DAR hall. I've also seen stories, though, that indicate that the DAR Hall was in use for another event that day, and so not available. I couldn't tell you which is accurate -- it was a little before my time <g>. As a side note, though. I'm certainly not an advocate of segregation, so don't put words in my mouth (or credit me with thoughts that I don't have), but I also don't think it's terribly fair to judge actions taken 60 years ago against the standards that exist now. Segregated organizations were par for the course at the time (and this was not just a "southern problem;" segregation and racism were a northern problem, too). In some places, it wasn't just the social custom, it was the law, and many people simply accepted it as a fact of life. That doesn't necessarily make them bad people, or bad groups. It makes them a product of their times. > Does the DAR today do research into Black involvement in the American >Revolution or is that left for any Black women who might want to join. If I'm not mistaken, the DAR doesn't do research, as such. Its function is not as a research organization. They do serve as a repository for a great deal of data, they have educational programs, etc. I'm sure there are members of the DAR that are interested in the contribution of blacks to the Revolution, the same as there are people interested in the native American contribution, the German contribution, and so on, but the organization itself is not a research group. Angie