I don't know what your point is, your splitting hairs using the social group or service group, I don't consider a church, either. All the stories I've seen about the Marian Anderson incident suggest it was more than just a scheduling problem. There would be no need to have the concert at the Lincoln Memorial if it were just a scheduling problem. As I remember it many prominent women, like Eleanor Roosevelt, left the DAR as a result of that incident. All this suggests that it was much more than just a scheduling problem and this is just the DARs spin on the incident. I wasn't comparing today with THEN, I was comparing my grandmothers attitude THEN to the DAR incident THEN. I wasn't judging the DAR by modern standards in the Marian Anderson incident. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angie Rayfield" <carolinaroots@inmyattic.com> To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [A-REV] Fw: Fw: DAR:Sar > At 11:11 PM 6/5/2002 -0400, James L. Stokes wrote: > > Ok, its a service organization, I don't see a big difference between the > >two. > > OK, admittedly it's a murky area. But think of your church -- do you > consider it a social group or a service group? I would imagine that if you > were plugging it into one of the two areas, you'd consider it a service > organization. The primary goal is not to provide a social experience or > setting, although that's part of any group. > > > My grandmother, neither of them, would have qualified for the DAR, both > >were the daughters of Irish immigrants. I'm pretty confident that both > >wouldn't have been involved in the DAR, they both supported FDR and I > >suspect that when the DAR refused to allow Marion Anderson (a Black singer) > >to sing in the DAR Hall in Washington both would have been unhappy about it. > >Its not that my grandmothers were advocates of intergration its just that > >they were more advanced that the DAR and were supporters of the President > >and his wife. > > Actually, I've seen this story two different ways. One is that the DAR > refused to allow Marion Anderson to sing in the DAR hall. I've also seen > stories, though, that indicate that the DAR Hall was in use for another > event that day, and so not available. I couldn't tell you which is > accurate -- it was a little before my time <g>. > > As a side note, though. I'm certainly not an advocate of segregation, so > don't put words in my mouth (or credit me with thoughts that I don't have), > but I also don't think it's terribly fair to judge actions taken 60 years > ago against the standards that exist now. Segregated organizations were > par for the course at the time (and this was not just a "southern problem;" > segregation and racism were a northern problem, too). In some places, it > wasn't just the social custom, it was the law, and many people simply > accepted it as a fact of life. That doesn't necessarily make them bad > people, or bad groups. It makes them a product of their times. > > > Does the DAR today do research into Black involvement in the American > >Revolution or is that left for any Black women who might want to join. > > If I'm not mistaken, the DAR doesn't do research, as such. Its function > is not as a research organization. They do serve as a repository for a > great deal of data, they have educational programs, etc. I'm sure there > are members of the DAR that are interested in the contribution of blacks to > the Revolution, the same as there are people interested in the native > American contribution, the German contribution, and so on, but the > organization itself is not a research group. > > Angie > > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >