Dear Mr. Stokes, Perhaps the "Father Knows Best", '50s version of "How the Revolution Was Won", was an effort to make the point that, we would not be who we are, or where we are today, had we not won our independence from GB. I agree, totally, that their version left a lot out. I thought the post, about the reason for the Stamp Act, was brilliant. I had never learned this! It is also of interest, that England left us alone for over 100 years, before beginning to interfere, in the mid 1700s. One of my relatives was Frederick Royce, whose gggrandfather came here in 1642; so, I began to think, "If England left us alone for 100 years, then his ggrandfather, and his grandfather didn't even know who the English really were, as there was no connection, no contact"! Certainly, they didn't spend their time traveling back and forth to England; and, I'm willing to bet they had very few English visitors. One can see how enacting confiscatory taxes, which would limit the use of products, make books and newspapers more expensive, or certain the failure of businesses, would cause many to question the need for our relationship with England. James Baker "James L. Stokes" wrote: > I haven't seen any interesting discussion of the American Revolution > here from the DAR crowd, all I've seen is what one needs to get access to > the DAR. > I think the DAR supports a kind of 3rd grade conception of the American > Revolution, its good guys vs bad guys, Patriots vs Loyalists. They promote > a kind of mythology about the American Revolution rather than the facts. > I went to elementary school in the early 50s and I what I learned about > the American Revolution was awful. It was won by the founding fathers and > the was nothing about the average soldier. Nothing about their being a > draft in Pennsylvania, nothing about black soldiers, nothing about the fact > that the British were also fighting the French, Dutch and Spanish at the > same time and so had larger issues than the colonies in North America. > Nothing about the fact that 1/3 supported the war, 1/3 were opposed and 1/3 > were neutral. When I was in school they turned the American Revolution > into > some kind of 50's sit-com. I thnk the DAR continues that kind of attitude > today. > > Jim > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "A-Flame Corporation" <aflame@fuse.net> > > To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 5:45 PM > > Subject: Re: [A-REV] Fw: DAR:Sar > > > > > > > I must respond! > > > > > > It is my firm belief that our history is not being adequately taught, at > > all levels > > > in school. I hope that the DAR/SAR organizations are addressing this > > problem. > > > > > > It is easier to fight for a country, when you know why we are all here! > > It is > > > easier to know where you are going, if you know where you have been! > > > > > > James Baker > > > > > > "James L. Stokes" wrote: > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "James L. Stokes" <jlstokes@supernet.com> > > > > To: <Scrapcat2@aol.com> > > > > Cc: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 5:10 PM > > > > Subject: DAR:Sar > > > > > > > > Just a reminder, the American revolution wasn't fought so people > > could > > > > join the DAR or SAR. > > > > Lets try not to trivialize it. > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: <Scrapcat2@aol.com> > > > > > To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:19 PM > > > > > Subject: [A-REV] Re: Military Service & DAR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/3/2002 12:03:26 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > > > > AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Remember, lots of ancestors in the Rev. War never saw military > > > > service. > > > > > > > They > > > > > > > signed a petition, they gave money and aid to the War effort, > they > > > > were > > > > > a > > > > > > > local constable, etc. , You need to check with the NSDAR re > this > > > > > because > > > > > > > their records will indicate what kind of service your ancestor > > > > > performed. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is really good advice. There are a number of types of War > > effort > > > > > > services performed by a Patirot that allows a descendant to join > the > > DAR > > > > > or > > > > > > SAR. > > > > > > > > > > > > Carol > > > > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > > records, > > > > > go to: > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I would argue that we don't need a 50s sitcom version of the American Revolution to make people familiar with who they are, a more complex but accurate version is better suited to do that. I'm afraid some people have never moved beyond the 50s, sitcom version. Are you aware that the tea thrown over the side at the Boston Tea party was really thrown over because it was afraid its cheap price would break the tea embargo ? Once the price came down they were afraid that people would resume their old tea drinking habits. The trading company had changed its policies so the new tea would be cheaper than the smuggled tea. John Hancock, who was a tea smuggler, had his own reason for protesting the cheap tea. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "A-Flame Corporation" <aflame@fuse.net> To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:14 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [A-REV] Fw: DAR:Sar > Dear Mr. Stokes, > > Perhaps the "Father Knows Best", '50s version of "How the Revolution Was Won", was > an effort to make the point that, we would not be who we are, or where we are today, > had we not won our independence from GB. > > I agree, totally, that their version left a lot out. I thought the post, about the > reason for the Stamp Act, was brilliant. I had never learned this! > > It is also of interest, that England left us alone for over 100 years, before > beginning to interfere, in the mid 1700s. One of my relatives was Frederick Royce, > whose gggrandfather came here in 1642; so, I began to think, "If England left us > alone for 100 years, then his ggrandfather, and his grandfather didn't even know > who the English really were, as there was no connection, no contact"! Certainly, > they didn't spend their time traveling back and forth to England; and, I'm willing > to bet they had very few English visitors. > > One can see how enacting confiscatory taxes, which would limit the use of products, > make books and newspapers more expensive, or certain the failure of businesses, > would cause many to question the need for our relationship with England. > > James Baker > > "James L. Stokes" wrote: > > > I haven't seen any interesting discussion of the American Revolution > > here from the DAR crowd, all I've seen is what one needs to get access to > > the DAR. > > I think the DAR supports a kind of 3rd grade conception of the American > > Revolution, its good guys vs bad guys, Patriots vs Loyalists. They promote > > a kind of mythology about the American Revolution rather than the facts. > > I went to elementary school in the early 50s and I what I learned about > > the American Revolution was awful. It was won by the founding fathers and > > the was nothing about the average soldier. Nothing about their being a > > draft in Pennsylvania, nothing about black soldiers, nothing about the fact > > that the British were also fighting the French, Dutch and Spanish at the > > same time and so had larger issues than the colonies in North America. > > Nothing about the fact that 1/3 supported the war, 1/3 were opposed and 1/3 > > were neutral. When I was in school they turned the American Revolution > > into > > some kind of 50's sit-com. I thnk the DAR continues that kind of attitude > > today. > > > > Jim > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "A-Flame Corporation" <aflame@fuse.net> > > > To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 5:45 PM > > > Subject: Re: [A-REV] Fw: DAR:Sar > > > > > > > > > > I must respond! > > > > > > > > It is my firm belief that our history is not being adequately taught, at > > > all levels > > > > in school. I hope that the DAR/SAR organizations are addressing this > > > problem. > > > > > > > > It is easier to fight for a country, when you know why we are all here! > > > It is > > > > easier to know where you are going, if you know where you have been! > > > > > > > > James Baker > > > > > > > > "James L. Stokes" wrote: > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "James L. Stokes" <jlstokes@supernet.com> > > > > > To: <Scrapcat2@aol.com> > > > > > Cc: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 5:10 PM > > > > > Subject: DAR:Sar > > > > > > > > > > Just a reminder, the American revolution wasn't fought so people > > > could > > > > > join the DAR or SAR. > > > > > Lets try not to trivialize it. > > > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: <Scrapcat2@aol.com> > > > > > > To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:19 PM > > > > > > Subject: [A-REV] Re: Military Service & DAR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/3/2002 12:03:26 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > > > > > AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Remember, lots of ancestors in the Rev. War never saw military > > > > > service. > > > > > > > > They > > > > > > > > signed a petition, they gave money and aid to the War effort, > > they > > > > > were > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > local constable, etc. , You need to check with the NSDAR re > > this > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > their records will indicate what kind of service your ancestor > > > > > > performed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is really good advice. There are a number of types of War > > > effort > > > > > > > services performed by a Patirot that allows a descendant to join > > the > > > DAR > > > > > > or > > > > > > > SAR. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carol > > > > > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > > > records, > > > > > > go to: > > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > records, go to: > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, > > > go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >