In a message dated 06/18/05 10:31:12 PM, [email protected] writes: << But I predict it will soon! <grin> >> _______________ David, If the 14th VA designation was inactivated in 1778 when it was redesignated the 10th VA, it seems that those patriots whose service was last with the 14th would use that designation to identify themselves when later queried about their previous service. Since all names on the "sized" rolls do not have a designation, I suspect the 14th VA was an individuals previous service. Remember that when the 10th VA went to Charleston those with initial previous service in the 14th went with them and they were captured in 1780. It follows that those who had been discharge from the 14th prior to departure to Charleston would be the ones caught up in the levies. Does this make sense to you? I can't find any reference to the 14th VA as an active unit after Sept 1778. Best regards, Hugh <[email protected]> [DENTON, FRENCH, GOAR, GURNEY, HOFFMAN, HUFFMAN, KNOX, LEE, MIZNER, POILLON, ROSE, RUTGERS, SMOCK, THOMASON, WOOD]

Hi Hugh It would be simpler if this was a bunch of leftover men from the old 14th but they aren't. The page I have is part of the "B's" out of a big ledger sized book with many pages. The men in it were "engaged" all over the state, the wide majority in the place they also list as their residence. The majority were "engaged" within a month or two of being "sized" between the 25th and 28th of May, except for one guy who says he enlisted in 177_ for 3 years. The wide majority of the men were about half and half between enlisted or drafted/substituted. Several of them (ones from Loudon list) are in another list from the auditor's accouns "Return of recruits raised for the county of Loudon under the Act of Assembly for October 1780 for recruiting the state's quota of troops to serve in the continental army and delivered by Capt. William Owlsley 11 May 1781". According to the bigger list Owsley gathered all of his recruits up on 19 March. There had been a draft in Oct of 1780 (I have looked at everything I have and don't have the details but Hennings Statutes should have it) which draft was for some reason postphoned until March of 1780 when the men in this list were gathering (according to Von Steuben's report of the Point of Forks engagement). It is my understanding that they were to be 18 month draftees for the Continental Army but instead of "draft" I see the word "recruiting" in many of the contemporary documents. All of this would make perfect sense but for one thing. The 18th column of the list under "engaged" "how long" it says for all but a handful of the men "1y6mo". But the very next two columns to the right (19th and 20th column) say "What corps" and for all the answer is "14th VA" and "How long" and the answer for all is "three years". So columns 18 and column 20 contradict each other. The chart was drawn by hand and the answers all written in so I think it is unlikely that an old form was used. These men were being gathered and trained by Von Steuben when the debacle at Point of Forks happened and after they were all equipped and placed (they were quickly moved from Albemarle Old Courthouse) maybe some did end up with Gaskins and Febriger but I don't know how many may have gone somewhere else. I wonder if there is a comprehensive list of units with Lafayette at Yorktown. (BTW someone on the list asked me a while back what I mean by "unit" - I may not be using the term correctly all the time but when I use it I mean any identifiable military designation of a group of troops that can be used to identify that group from another. The company and regiment would both be "units" to me. I could be wrong and I digress.) Your proposed message to the army looks OK but that may be premature at the moment. What is needed is for me or someone to go to the VA State Library and get more names from the ledger and check these with the pensions to see if anybody survived and told the story. Maybe the "14th VA" was a temporary designation while the men were being assigned and equipped. Still the "1yr6mo" and "3yr" contradiction is puzzling. My relative who is in this list is Robert Brown from Hampshire County, Virginia. His brother James claimed in a pension application that he (James) ENLISTED in early 1781 in the local militia under Captain Michael Stump and marched to Williamsburg, subsequently falling into the same chain of combat that these Albemarle courthouse recruits did. So maybe not all of the people raised by Virginia in 1781 wound up in this "14th VA" and some stayed with their own local units. I am unable to go anywhere now but if I can get to richmond again I may be able to get to the bottom of all of this because since I was there the last time I have exchanged a lot of communications with people like you and have a better idea what to look for. Thanks so much for all of the info you are sending and the URLs. It will take me some time to digest it all. Keep in touch. Best Regards David Armstrong Elkins, WV ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [AMER-REV] 14th VA > > In a message dated 06/18/05 10:31:12 PM, [email protected] writes: > > << But I predict it will soon! <grin> >> > _______________ > David, > > If the 14th VA designation was inactivated in 1778 when it was > redesignated > the 10th VA, it seems that those patriots whose service was last with the > 14th > would use that designation to identify themselves when later queried about > their previous service. > > Since all names on the "sized" rolls do not have a designation, I suspect > the > 14th VA was an individuals previous service. Remember that when the 10th > VA > went to Charleston those with initial previous service in the 14th went > with > them and they were captured in 1780. It follows that those who had been > discharge from the 14th prior to departure to Charleston would be the ones > caught up > in the levies. > > Does this make sense to you? > > I can't find any reference to the 14th VA as an active unit after Sept > 1778. > > > Best regards, > Hugh > <[email protected]> > [DENTON, FRENCH, GOAR, GURNEY, HOFFMAN, HUFFMAN, KNOX, LEE, MIZNER, > POILLON, > ROSE, RUTGERS, SMOCK, THOMASON, WOOD] > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the AMERICAN-REVOLUTION list, send the command > "unsubscribe" to > [email protected] (if in mail mode) or > [email protected] (if in digest mode.) > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >