Hello, Have found that War 1812 gives the best information on applications for pensions. You might prove the difference between the two men by their wives or their place of residence in 1835 or another date. It is hard to prove a lineage when they all have the same names, I personally know. Barbara in AL -----Original Message----- From: american-revolution-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:american-revolution-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of CandaceLR@aol.com Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 3:29 PM To: american-revolution@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AMERICAN-REVOLUTION] DAR I am at my wits end and am hoping that someone on this list can help me.  I had applied to the DAR for the second time and was denied yet again.  The pensioner is Edmund BIRD of Mt. Pleasant, New York.  His son is Daniel BIRD who was born December 23, 1791 in Tarrytown, New York and died May 27, 1829 in Dorchester, Massachusetts.  Since I cannot find either a birth certificate or death certificate for Daniel I used the following as proof:  Military Bounty Land Warrant 983, which clearly states that Daniel Bird was in fact the son of the pensioner, Edmund R. Bird .  The Federal Land Series, the Pioneer Land Grants of Guernsey County, the Tract Book and Entries U.S. Military District, and the Tax Record Guernsey County, all listing Daniel, son of pensioner Edmund Bird.  His birth is also listed as the son of Edmund BIRD in  "Families of the Colonial Town of Philipsburg" by Grenville C. Mackensie.  So this is the problem: he was awarded the land grant in 1821 but his father did not die until 1835.  For this reason they claim he cannot possibly be the son of Edmund.  Does anyone know about this particular BIRD family and does anyone know why someone would have been awarded a land grant from a father that was still alive?  HELP! List Mom for the AMERICAN-REVOLUTION mailing list: Diana Boothe philsbarbie1@arkansasfamilies.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ We have archives! Search for your AMERICAN-REVOLUTION information here..... http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=AMERICAN-REVOLUT ION ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out other genealogy resources on the net at John Fuller's most helpful site http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message