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    1. [A-REV] Re: Locations
    2. Joan Hedberg
    3. Hi; Could someone tell me where these locations are that would have been the correct ones during the American Revolution. I am trying to track my two UELs. Thomas STEWART & Cornelius DUGAN Brandywine Charles Town Mud Island German Town Monmouth New Town Thank you, Joan Hedberg from BC, Canada

    09/27/2001 12:12:20
    1. Re: [A-REV] Re: Locations
    2. wrlowe
    3. This may help you. http://www.ahttp://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/reference/maps/main.aspnc estry.com/search/rectype/reference/maps/main.asp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Hedberg (by way of John Robertson <jr@jrshelby.com>)" <jhedberg@telus.net> To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 7:12 AM Subject: [A-REV] Re: Locations > Hi; > > Could someone tell me where these locations are that would have been the > correct ones during the American Revolution. I am trying to track my two > UELs. > > Thomas STEWART & Cornelius DUGAN > > Brandywine > Charles Town > Mud Island > German Town > Monmouth > New Town > > Thank you, > Joan Hedberg from BC, Canada > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > >

    09/27/2001 03:03:16
    1. Re: [A-REV] Re: Locations
    2. RC Brooks
    3. Joan -- You asked:. > Could someone tell me where these locations are that would have been the > correct ones during the American Revolution <snip> I have reordered your sites to place them in chronological sequence as to the likely involvement of a Loyalist. > Brandywine Brandywine Creek PA/DE -- site of major battle 11 Sep 1777 between Howe's Army on its march from the head of Chesapeake Bay to Philadelphia and Washington's Continental Army. The prinical battle was against the Hessians at Chadd's Ford (PA) whilst Lord Cornwallis made his crossing at Jeffries' Ford (PA), enfilading the Continentals. > German Town PA -- a few miles due north of Philadelphia, Howe's HQ prior to his moving into Philadelpha, another major battle when Washington attacked the Britsh Camp in the fog on 4 Oct 1777, but was smartly repulsed. > Mud Island PA -- island in Delaware River downstream from Philadelphia, site of Fort Mifflin, beseiged by British 10-16 Nov 1777, then evacuated the night 15/16 Nov.. Its fall doomed Fort Mercer on the east side at Red Bank NJ which had repulsed the Hessian assault on the morning of 22 October. Fort Mercer was abandoned the night of 20/21 November, thereby openning the Delware River to Philadelphia allowing Howe to resupply his troops before the river froze for the winter. > Monmouth NJ -- major battle on 28 June 1778 when Washington attacked the British Army (now under Clinton who had just replaced Howe) during its retreat from Philadelphia to NYC. COMMENT: The above all are part of Howe's 1777-1778 campaign which included the capture of Philadelphia. I recommend you get the following book via interliabray loan: John W. Jackson, _With the British Army in Philadelphia 1777_ (San Rafael CA: Presidio Press 1979), xiv, 374 p. : ill. ; 22 cm., index, bibliography. ----- > Charles Town There are at least five sites of this name: 1/-- PA -- included Valley Forge PA 2/-- MA (now a part of Boston) -- The village burned at the beginning of the Battle of Bunker's & Breed's Hills 17 June 1775 3/-- SC name changed to Charleston in 1783 after British evacuation -- Britsh attempt under Gen'l Clinton to capture the town in June 1776 failed, British attempt under Gen'l Prevost on 11-12 May 1779 failed, British attempt under Gen'l Clinton led to surrender of town on 12 May 1780. 4/-- VA -- small town in Shennandoah valley where Hessian POWs where held in 1782-3. 5/ -- MD -- on the Potomac River, probably now Port Tobacco or Popes Creek MD or part of the US Navy Proving Grounds on Blossom Pt. COMMENT: Charleston SC was one of the few Loyalist strongholds in the south following its capture in May 1780. ----- > New Town There are several possibilities, only one noted for being a battlefield, viz-- NY -- called Chemung by the Indians, now Elmira NY -- part of Gen Sullivan's campagn to lay waste all the Indian settlements -- on 29 Aug 1779 at Newtown Sullivan engaged the British and Indians under the Butlers, McDonnell and Brant and after a bloddy fight, the British and Indians abandoned their postions. More likely places involving Loyalists would be: In the Philadelphia area: Newtown (Bucks County) PA -- due west of Trenton NJ about 10 miles. Newtown (Chester County) PA -- now Newtown Square PA about 10 miles west of Philadelphia. Newtown Creek NJ -- Creek entering the east side of Delaware River just downriver from Philadelphia and just north of Glocester (now Gloucester City) NJ. There was no village called "Newtown" at this location. In the NYC area are: Newtown, Long Island, NY -- JFW Des Barres' 1776 "A Skertch of the Operations of His Majesty's Fleet and Army under the Command of Vice Admiral the R't H'ble Lord Vicount Howe and Gen'l S'r W'm Howe K:B: in 1776" names this village about 1 mile SW of the village of Flushing at about the presernt location of Shea Stadium. Another contemporary map names the cove west of Flushing as "Newtown Inlet." Today it is called "Flushing Bay" and its westerly shore abutts Laguardia Airport. Newtown CT -- just east of Danbury CT. The above are all locations which could be applicable to a Loyalist who succoured in NYC and Philadelphia. "Newtown" and "Charlestown" sound like possible residences prior to the war. You should be able to identify the genear location from w3hence they hailed from by looking at those who received adjacent land grants. I have never attempted to pursue Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey or Connecticut Loyalists, but suspect that another lister can cite a scholarly work on the subject. I would certainly look into the Loyalist claims filed after the war. These are preserved at the UK Public Record Office in the A.O. 12 and A.O. 13 series. All have been microfilmed. You can borow the films via interlibrarey loan from the Nanional Archives of Canada in Ottawa but today I no longer can give you the proper citiations. Bob Brooks

    09/27/2001 07:52:12
    1. Re: [A-REV] Re: Locations
    2. wrlowe
    3. Bob: Do you know what Regiments Howe had with him at Brandywine? Brandywine Creek PA/DE -- site of major battle 11 Sep 1777 between Howe's Army on its march from the head of Chesapeake Bay to Philadelphia and Washington's Continental Army. The prinical battle was against the Hessians at Chadd's Ford (PA) whilst Lord Cornwallis made his crossing at Jeffries' Ford (PA), enfilading the Continentals. Thanks, in advance, Wally Lowe ----- Original Message ----- From: "RC Brooks" <rcbrooks@acadia.net> To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [A-REV] Re: Locations > Joan -- > > You asked:. > > Could someone tell me where these locations are that would have been the > > correct ones during the American Revolution > <snip> > > I have reordered your sites to place them in chronological sequence as to > the likely involvement of a Loyalist. > > > Brandywine > > Brandywine Creek PA/DE -- site of major battle 11 Sep 1777 between Howe's > Army on its march from the head of Chesapeake Bay to Philadelphia and > Washington's Continental Army. The prinical battle was against the Hessians > at Chadd's Ford (PA) whilst Lord Cornwallis made his crossing at Jeffries' > Ford (PA), enfilading the Continentals. > > > German Town > > PA -- a few miles due north of Philadelphia, Howe's HQ prior to his moving > into Philadelpha, another major battle when Washington attacked the Britsh > Camp in the fog on 4 Oct 1777, but was smartly repulsed. > > > Mud Island > > PA -- island in Delaware River downstream from Philadelphia, site of Fort > Mifflin, beseiged by British 10-16 Nov 1777, then evacuated the night 15/16 > Nov.. Its fall doomed Fort Mercer on the east side at Red Bank NJ which had > repulsed the Hessian assault on the morning of 22 October. Fort Mercer was > abandoned the night of 20/21 November, thereby openning the Delware River to > Philadelphia allowing Howe to resupply his troops before the river froze for > the winter. > > > Monmouth > > NJ -- major battle on 28 June 1778 when Washington attacked the British Army > (now under Clinton who had just replaced Howe) during its retreat from > Philadelphia to NYC. > > COMMENT: The above all are part of Howe's 1777-1778 campaign which included > the capture of Philadelphia. I recommend you get the following book via > interliabray loan: > John W. Jackson, _With the British Army in Philadelphia 1777_ (San Rafael > CA: Presidio Press 1979), xiv, 374 p. : ill. ; 22 cm., index, bibliography. > ----- > > > Charles Town > > There are at least five sites of this name: > > 1/-- PA -- included Valley Forge PA > > 2/-- MA (now a part of Boston) -- The village burned at the beginning of the > Battle of Bunker's & Breed's Hills 17 June 1775 > > 3/-- SC name changed to Charleston in 1783 after British evacuation -- > Britsh attempt under Gen'l Clinton to capture the town in June 1776 failed, > British attempt under Gen'l Prevost on 11-12 May 1779 failed, British > attempt under Gen'l Clinton led to surrender of town on 12 May 1780. > > 4/-- VA -- small town in Shennandoah valley where Hessian POWs where held in > 1782-3. > > 5/ -- MD -- on the Potomac River, probably now Port Tobacco or Popes Creek > MD or part of the US Navy Proving Grounds on Blossom Pt. > > COMMENT: Charleston SC was one of the few Loyalist strongholds in the south > following its capture in May 1780. > ----- > > > New Town > > There are several possibilities, only one noted for being a battlefield, > viz-- > > NY -- called Chemung by the Indians, now Elmira NY -- part of Gen Sullivan's > campagn to lay waste all the Indian settlements -- on 29 Aug 1779 at Newtown > Sullivan engaged the British and Indians under the Butlers, McDonnell and > Brant and after a bloddy fight, the British and Indians abandoned their > postions. > > More likely places involving Loyalists would be: > > In the Philadelphia area: > > Newtown (Bucks County) PA -- due west of Trenton NJ about 10 miles. > > Newtown (Chester County) PA -- now Newtown Square PA about 10 miles west of > Philadelphia. > > Newtown Creek NJ -- Creek entering the east side of Delaware River just > downriver from Philadelphia and just north of Glocester (now Gloucester > City) NJ. There was no village called "Newtown" at this location. > > In the NYC area are: > > Newtown, Long Island, NY -- JFW Des Barres' 1776 "A Skertch of the > Operations of His Majesty's Fleet and Army under the Command of Vice Admiral > the R't H'ble Lord Vicount Howe and Gen'l S'r W'm Howe K:B: in 1776" names > this village about 1 mile SW of the village of Flushing at about the > presernt location of Shea Stadium. Another contemporary map names the cove > west of Flushing as "Newtown Inlet." Today it is called "Flushing Bay" and > its westerly shore abutts Laguardia Airport. > > Newtown CT -- just east of Danbury CT. > > The above are all locations which could be applicable to a Loyalist who > succoured in NYC and Philadelphia. "Newtown" and "Charlestown" sound like > possible residences prior to the war. You should be able to identify the > genear location from w3hence they hailed from by looking at those who > received adjacent land grants. I have never attempted to pursue > Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey or Connecticut Loyalists, but suspect > that another lister can cite a scholarly work on the subject. I would > certainly look into the Loyalist claims filed after the war. These are > preserved at the UK Public Record Office in the A.O. 12 and A.O. 13 series. > All have been microfilmed. You can borow the films via interlibrarey loan > from the Nanional Archives of Canada in Ottawa but today I no longer can > give you the proper citiations. > > Bob Brooks > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 >

    09/27/2001 09:39:58
    1. Re: [A-REV] Re: Locations
    2. Ed St.Germain
    3. Wally; Order of Battle: Brandywine British Army, General William Howe (15,006) LEFT DIVISION: MAJOR GENERAL CORNWALLIS 3rd Brigade, Major General Charles Grey (1,509) 15th Regiment 367 17th Regiment 223 42nd Regiment (Highland) 597 44th Regiment 312 4th Brigade, Brigadier General James Agnew (1,383) 33rd Regiment 368 37th Regiment 308 46th Regiment 312 64th Regiment 395 Guards Brigade, Brigadier General Edward Matthew (867) 1st Battalion 440 2nd Battalion 440 Light Infantry (1,130) 1st Battalion 565 2nd Battalion 565 British Grenadiers (1,080) 1st Battalion 540 2nd Battalion 540 Hessian Grenadiers (1,307) Linsing Battalion 437 Miningerode Battalion 430 Lengerke Battalion 430 Hessian Jaegers 511 Artillery 200 16th Dragoons 234 (2 squadrons) The total strength of Cornwallis' Division was 8,214 men. RIGHT DIVISION: LT. GEN. VON KNYPHAUSEN 1st Brigade (1,330) 4th Regiment 356 23rd Regiment (Fusiliers) 353 28th Regiment 286 49th Regiment 335 2nd Brigade, Major General James Grant (1,494) 5th Regiment 307 10th Regiment 312 27th Regiment 324 40th Regiment 300 55th Regiment 251 71st Highland Regiment (3 battalions 992) Hessian Brigade, Brigadier General Johann Stirn (2,162) Lieb, Regiment (Guards) 598 Mirbach Regiment 553 Donop Regiment 544 Combined Regiment 467 16th Dragoons 119 (1 squadron) Queens Rangers, 398 English Riflemen 130 (Ferguson) Artillery, 200 The total strength of von Knyphausen's division was 6,825 men. Best regards, Ed -- For Revolutionary War information on the Internet, your first choice should be AMERICANREVOLUTION.ORG

    09/27/2001 01:48:43