I have been reading with passing interest the "no founding fathers" discussion. I know they are best sellers (and many best sellers fail the test of qualit), but you MUST read the two books which illuminate important founding fathers: "John Adams" and "Founding Brothers" I have never been much on history, but these books, I call them biographical history, are simply awesome. You feel as if you were there, physically and inside their thinking! With respect to schooling, the Adams book could be used as a history book, a biography and as a "use of English language" book. The writings of John and Abigail Adams are some of the most elegant English prose I've been privileged to read in decades! Sincerely, ================================ Don Dickason Searching for family names: Dickason, Hamilton, Cadwal(l)ader, Wisely, Steinberg, Borchward(t), Biesterfeld(t), Blair