Not to belabor this, but Pvt. Harwood was probably buried by his fellow soldiers wherever the encampment was, probably with a wooden marker. The soldiers themselves were probably not being paid, and unless there were a stonemason among them who had his tools along on the trek they would have been unable to provide a permanent marker. This was a perilous situation, and it is unlikely that a family member came for the remains. There may be a memorial marker for him in a home cemetery. You really should look at the original rolls (don't rely on National Park Service abstracts) and get the names of the other men in his Company. If you then look up the pension application files for each of them who lived to apply, you just might find a narrative relating to Pvt. Harwood's death. There just might be a receipt roll showing that a family member collected his final pay (this is unlikely). Other records in the National Archives might show that his family subsequently petitioned Congress for reimbursement for his personal effects such as a rifle, or that a private bill was introduced on their behalf in Congress for this purpose. His heirs would have been entitled to his final pay and, if this was not paid until years after the war, possibly depreciation certificates in lieu of payment. Items on this could be in the "Final Payment Ledgers," which have been recently *partially* abstracted; they mostly contain data on final pension payments. If he was married, his widow might have petitioned the Court in his home County for some financial support, particularly if there were children from the marriage. Good hunting, Judy

Judy wrote: >>He's listed in the SAR's so-called graves registry list, but with no place of burial given.  The SAR does not list a DAR Patriot Graves listing for him as of their last compilation (SAR tried to list all the DAR entries but there may be omissions), but it is possible a subsequent marker was erected for him.  Whether such a new memorial marker would accurately reflect his actual burial place is another matter.<< Thanks Judy........I live in Whitemarsh Twp., so I'm going to do a little "digging around" here and see if any of the local hist.socs. have anything..... :-) Dianne

Kate wonders, >>How would one get the designation "Captain". Would one have to have served with the military or were merchant mariners given that title, also?<< A ship's captain may have no military rank whatever. He need not be a member of an organized establishment such as today's Merchant Marine. He would only have to be hired for the job by the vessel's owner(s). But don't discard the possibility that he might have been Captain of a militia or other unit at a previous time. Depending on how they were thought of in the community, some people continued to be called "Captain" long after they'd been out of any such post. I also have a distant cousin who was called "Captain" for no discernible reason! He was a millwright, not a mariner, and as far as I've been able to learn was never made a militia officer. Good hunting, Judy

In a message dated 10/29/2006 1:02:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, jkross4@yahoo.com writes: How would one get the designation "Captain". Would one have to have served with the military or were merchant mariners given that title, also? Kate Ross Kate, In the sea service, whether civilian or military/naval, the officer in command of a ship is the Captain. Experience is necessary, but previous military service is not. Best, Hugh

Hello May I ask a question to the listers. In the Baltimore, Maryland Tax Records Index 1798 - 1808, a Capt. Amos Fisher is listed. I know from the journal written by my ggg-grandfather Joseph Fisher, Jr., that this Amos Fisher died at sea near the Virginia shore when the ship he was a captain of went down. He lived at Fells-Point, Baltimore, Maryland. He was of a Quaker family, originally from Bucks Co., Pa. He was called in the journal a "trader", meaning merchant mariner, I suppose. How would one get the designation "Captain". Would one have to have served with the military or were merchant mariners given that title, also? Kate Ross ____________________________________________________________________________________ Low, Low, Low Rates! Check out Yahoo! Messenger's cheap PC-to-Phone call rates (http://voice.yahoo.com)

He's listed in the SAR's so-called graves registry list, but with no place of burial given. The SAR does not list a DAR Patriot Graves listing for him as of their last compilation (SAR tried to list all the DAR entries but there may be omissions), but it is possible a subsequent marker was erected for him. Whether such a new memorial marker would accurately reflect his actual burial place is another matter. You can post a query on the DAR inquiry board on Rootsweb, under Topics / organizations and societies / DAR. Good hunting, Judy

Dianne writes: > Does anyone know of a roster for the time just before they went to Valley > Forge? National Archives Micropublication 246 in more than 140 microfilm rolls reproduces what original muster and pay-rolls they were able to acquire and borrow. The list of what's on each roll is here, brought to you by John K. Robertson and Bob McDonald. [http://www.revwar75.com/ob/m246.htm] You can borrow the microfilm through inter-library loan or buy a copy of the microfilm roll from NARA; the contact information is here: [www.nara.gov]. At this site you can also order the forms to buy copies of index card transcripts of service record data taken from the above microfilm, subject to spelling errors/variations and omissions, but it is actually cheaper to buy the microfilm roll so you can have a look at the original documents. It doesn't seem likely to me that Harreld / Harrod would be the same person (more likely a Virginian who landed in KY--you can figure this out by going to the Library of Virginia web site and doing a search among the rejected applications). Good hunting, Judy

Judy wrote: >>National Archives Micropublication 246 in more than 140 microfilm rolls reproduces what original muster and pay-rolls they were able to acquire and borrow. The list of what's on each roll is here, brought to you by John K. Robertson and Bob McDonald.<< Thanks Judy ~ I've narrowed it down to a couple of the rolls......he is on the muster rolls available at the Valley Forge site, but some of that is "without comment". I've gotten the pages from Watson Harwood's book that tell where he was and when he died......now I just need to figure out where he's buried if he really did die on Dec. 1, 1777, in Whitemarsh. I may have to get an application copy from DAR and see if that mentions anything about where he's buried. He is in the Patriot Index. Dianne

I'm searching for a death record/burial place for James HARWOOD, d. Dec. 1, 1777 - supposedly of smallpox,  in Whitemarsh (sometimes written as White Marsh) Montgomery County, PA.  He was supposedly with the First NH Regt., Col. Joseph Cilley.......but I haven't been able to find a roster.  As far as I know there was never any widow's pension, or heir pension. There *is* a rejected pension for a James Harreld alias Harrod (deceased), but I have no clue if this is the same man.  JAMES HARWOOD Service: NEW HAMPSHIRE    Rank: PRIVATE RESIDENCE; 1) DUNSTABLE NEW HAMPSHIRE Birth: (CIRCA) 1736     CONCORD-NEAR MASSACHUSETTS Death: 1 Dec 1777    WHITE MARSH PENNSYLVANIA Service Description: 1) COL REED SPOUSE;1) MARY CLOGSON/CLOGSTON  childen: James, Lydia, Archibald Have you looked here? http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery/pennsylvania/index_montgomery.html History: Local: CHAPTERS LXIX - LXXI: Pottsgrove, Providence and Lower Providence Townships : Bean's 1884 History of Montgomery Co, PA Contributed for use in USGenWeb Archives by Susan Walters GOOD LUCK IN YOUR SEARCH ???????????????????? THE AMERICAN GENEALOGIST, Being a CATALOGUE OF FAMILY HISTORIES. GENEALOGIES. A genealogical history of the HARWOOD families * * * By Watson H. Harwood. Published for the author, by A. F. Bigelow, Potsdam, N.Y.: 1879. 12mo, 33 pages, superseded by the next title. THE AMERICAN GENEALOGIST, Being a CATALOGUE OF FAMILY HISTORIES. GENEALOGIES. A genealogical history of the HARWOOD family descended from Andrew Harwood * * * in Boston, Mass. [1643]. By Watson H. Harwood. Second edition. Chasm Falls, N.Y. [Malone, N.Y.: Robbins, printer], 1896. 8vo, 104 pages, portraits, edition of 500 copies, index of given names.

Thanks for all the added info on John Rynders. I really appreciate. Judy

To All list members: http://www.royalprovincial.com/ The Loyalist site above has an incredible amount of data that relates to almost all of the loyalist units from the revolution and includes rosters and battles etc. It's easy to navigate by subject, or you can search by surname. Edbld ----- Original Message ----- From: <Frostfreedet@aol.com> To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [AMERICAN-REVOLUTION] Capt. James French / Capt. ArchibaldMacLean > Heather writes concerning >>Capt. Archibald MacLean, fought at Eutaw > Springs > and was given land in N.B. - he was with the New York Volunteers. James > French was with Butlers Rangers<< > > The inimitable Martha S. Magill and volunteers at Rootsweb's > Herkimer-Montgomery Co. NY web sites have posted a series of petitions and > depositions > concerning Loyalist Claims that were published as a Report of the > Historian in 1904. > You may find some material on your target persons here: > > [http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Enyherkim/regiments/loyalistclaims.html] > > At the main page of the web site is a search engine that can assist. > There > are also links on the above page to many other Loyalist resources. > > I have made transcripts of some rosters of Butler's Rangers and other such > folks at Niagara and Detroit, but found no persons by the names you give. > > Good hunting, > Judy > List Mom for the AMERICAN-REVOLUTION mailing list: > Diana Boothe philsbarbie1@arkansasfamilies.net > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > We have archives! Search for your AMERICAN-REVOLUTION information > here..... > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=AMERICAN-REVOLUTION > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out other genealogy resources on the net at John Fuller's most > helpful site http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.17/505 - Release Date: > 10/27/2006 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 24959 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now!

Thanks for the web site Judy, I will poke around! Greetings, I have a Revolutionary War ancestor from Philadelphia, Christian Shoemaker. I have his record of Active Duty and it states he was a Private in the 2nd Regiment of Foot in the Company of Captain Philip Waggoner. This record is dated Nov 3rd, 1781. Being as I am no longer in Philly and live where libraries etc are scarce, I was wondering if anyone has unit history links that might help me? ps I use Earthlink spamblocker but I check it every nite if you reply personally and not to the list, I am in digest format. TIA Karen V.

Hi Listers ~ I'm searching for a death record/burial place for James HARWOOD, d. Dec. 1, 1777 - supposedly of smallpox, in Whitemarsh (sometimes written as White Marsh) Montgomery County, PA. He was supposedly with the First NH Regt., Col. Joseph Cilley.......but I haven't been able to find a roster. As far as I know there was never any widow's pension, or heir pension. There *is* a rejected pension for a James Harreld alias Harrod (deceased), but I have no clue if this is the same man. Does anyone know of a roster for the time just before they went to Valley Forge? TIA, Dianne

why don't you try thr Univ of Va. they have all kinds of records there. bj

Heather writes concerning >>Capt. Archibald MacLean, fought at Eutaw Springs and was given land in N.B. - he was with the New York Volunteers. James French was with Butlers Rangers<< The inimitable Martha S. Magill and volunteers at Rootsweb's Herkimer-Montgomery Co. NY web sites have posted a series of petitions and depositions concerning Loyalist Claims that were published as a Report of the Historian in 1904. You may find some material on your target persons here: [http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Enyherkim/regiments/loyalistclaims.html] At the main page of the web site is a search engine that can assist. There are also links on the above page to many other Loyalist resources. I have made transcripts of some rosters of Butler's Rangers and other such folks at Niagara and Detroit, but found no persons by the names you give. Good hunting, Judy

A large number of PA histories, including some for Philadelphia, are on the web at [http://apps.libraries.psu.edu/digitalbookshelf/subject.cfm] Judy

Karen writes, >>. . . Christian Shoemaker. I have his record of Active Duty and it states he was a Private in the 2nd Regiment of Foot <snip> I was wondering if anyone has unit history links that might help me?<< Karen, it is very unlikely that a book would have been written concerning a County regiment, but you should have some luck with some of the histories of Philadelphia and of Philadelphia County, given that it was the seat of the Continental Congress until taken by the British. Some of the older histories have been reprinted and are available new or used. Good hunting, Judy

Hi: I have two UEL ancestors -Capt. Archibald MacLean, fought at Eutaw Springs and was given land in N.B. - he was with the New York Volunteers. James French was with Butlers Rangers. James French had a daughter Charity and another daughter Prudence who married Capt. Archibald MacLean. Any info or common 'relatives' of either would be very welcome! Heather __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Greetings, I have a Revolutionary War ancestor from Philadelphia, Christian Shoemaker. I have his record of Active Duty and it states he was a Private in the 2nd Regiment of Foot in the Company of Captain Philip Waggoner. This record is dated Nov 3rd, 1781. Being as I am no longer in Philly and live where libraries etc are scarce, I was wondering if anyone has unit history links that might help me? ps I use Earthlink spamblocker but I check it every nite if you reply personally and not to the list, I am in digest format. TIA Karen V.

Capt. Aaron Aorson had been in the First NY Regiment since 1775 under McDougall. He was promoted from 1st Lt. in the Fifth Company to Capt. of the 1st Company as a result of casualties in the Siege of Quebec [Egly, History of the First NY Regiment, p. 13]. Good hunting, Judy