Dear Diane, I'm a prospective DAR Member as of today. I was referred to my local chapter by the National Web site. I visited them. Was so excited that I went on the wrong Saturday. I was so proud to finally be doing what my Granny wanted me to do years ago. I visited once more but felt like I caused a "ripple." I ask National if I could be referred to another chapter before I decided which one to join. Received an invitation from a chapter 45 minutes from my home, they have a flow of applicants and I seemed to fit right in. They've been much more warm & welcoming than I could have imagined. If your local chapter doesn't respond to you.....try another. Sincerely, Sharon -----Original Message----- From: american-revolution-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:american-revolution-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Diane Nace Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 12:16 PM To: american-revolution@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AMERICAN-REVOLUTION] AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Digest, Vol 1,Issue 58 I have been trying to get in touch with my local chapter for the DAR for months, with no success. What do I do now? Diane

In a message dated 12/9/2006 1:06:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, Tonin1@airmail.net writes: In Washington, D. Cs the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. ____________________________________________ For the record The Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, also known as the Tomb of the Unknowns, is in Arlington National Cemetery (ANC) which is across the Potomac River from Washington, D. C. in Arlington Co., VA. Although administered by the Federal Government (U. S. Army), it is not located in the District of Columbia. Hugh

Mike, I just went on line and tried to search by location. I put "New York" in the state box, but there is no space for the county so I got 300 names. If you have names I can check them. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael McAlonie" <mmcalonie@msn.com> To: <american-revolution@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 9:14 AM Subject: [AMERICAN-REVOLUTION] DAR patriot index can it be searched by location > Is there a way to search the patriot index by location? If there is, can > anyone tell me if there are any listed for Cambridge, now Washington > County (then Albany County) NY. Or Salem or Easton NY. Payrolls and > muster rolls seemed to have been destroyed in a fire for NY militia, and I > am trying to get an idea of how other local patriots were proven, other > than pension records. The men I am interested in were listed in the > surviving militia rosters and have modern veterans markers stating Rev. > War service (but are not in Dar patriot index), but I can not find any > documents in NYS archives to prove it. Only a 1900 church "vanity" > history that says that they were in the American army in the Burgoyne > Campaign. And one document that states a man by the same name of one of > his brothers was a LT. in that same militia regiment, but the brother is > not in my direct line. > > So what exactly is necessary to document service. I did find an old > interview from the 1840s that stated that one of them tried to save the > local county judge from attack from a band of vengeful Tories back from > Canada during the war by warning him to stay away from his house. But to > me that sounds funny that he knew about it, and probably doesn't quite > count as aiding the cause. > > So again, what is acceptable proof? Thanks! > > Mike > List Mom for the AMERICAN-REVOLUTION mailing list: > Diana Boothe philsbarbie1@arkansasfamilies.net > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > We have archives! Search for your AMERICAN-REVOLUTION information > here..... > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=AMERICAN-REVOLUTION > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out other genealogy resources on the net at John Fuller's most > helpful site http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 12/8/2006 5:49:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, qvarizona@yahoo.com writes: It's when DAR members suggest that they are honoring their ancestors by joining DAR, that they lose me. Those who have joined DAR in the past have established all the ancestors in the Patriot Index. That certainly honors the ancestor by registering their name and service and making that information available to others. I am very thankful for all those researchers who have recorded the information so I (and others) don't have to "reinvent the wheel" to find it. By joining DAR or SAR and establishing your lineage to the patriot, that person also makes it possible for their children, grandchildren, cousins, etc. to join on the same line. If someone's ancestor is in the DAR Patriot Index, someone has joined on that ancestor and provided evidence of his/her service. There are also many new ancestors added every year. Establishing descent from some one who "aided the cause of American independence" is only the ticket to get into DAR, SAR, etc. The purpose of DAR, SAR, etc. is not ancestor worship, etc. DAR, SAR, etc. are service organizations. The purpose of DAR, SAR, etc. is not to sit around and talk about what grandpa did in the war. The purposes are educational, historical and patriotic. There are many who join these organizations who have no interest in genealogy and did not do the research for their application. Many join on lines established by their mothers, grandmothers, aunts, etc. to carry on the family tradition. As with me, it made my grandmother very proud. After I got in, I leaned all the wonderful things that DAR does. I'll get off my soapbox now, Phyllis

I have to say that my experience with the DAR really turned me off. I had won a DAR "good citizen" award in high school, I became interested in genealogy and realized that all of my family lines date to the time of the Revolutionary War and earlier, and I developed a rosy picture of myself sitting on a DAR float in the 4th of July parade, waving at the crowd! I approached the local chapter with the name of an ancestor who I had understood to have been already approved. I was told that I would be assigned someone to help me, but I never was. Then I attended a meeting and there asked a woman, who I had been told had helped others, if she could help me. She was rather stiff with me and said she could not help me with my application because she was assigned to others, but would at least look up my ancestor. She then contacted me to say that my ancestor was not a soldier but listed as having supplied assistance. Then she told me that his nickname, "Blind" John Yager, had made them realize he could not be a soldier! (Never mind that his descendants have a letter showing he became blind later in life.) I got the definite impression I was being shown the door, although I could not imagine why. No one ever offered to assist me further in any way. Another member asked me to attend and I did attend one more meeting. This was during the long run-up to the Iraq War that I am sure you will all remember. This particular chapter tended to have a rather formal program. They did not really do genealogy, they concentrated on civics. During the program, a member started reading a long screed which came from the president of the national organization. At that time, there had been some protests against the Irac War. This lengthy statement criticized all those who were opposed to the war, asking who the protestors thought they were, that they could question the wisdom of the president and his advisors, because the president and his advisors had information the protestors could not possibly know. I perhaps could have lived with this statement (which would prove to be so tragically untrue), but the next statement literally took my breath away. This diatribe continued, actually calling the protestors "traitors" for protesting. I came of age during the Vietnam era. I thought to myself, "I've heard all this -- before." I waited for someone to deliver "the other side," but it never came. I went home and looked at the national DAR website and sure enough, this was a statement issued by the president and was the position, evidently, of the organization. Obviously, I believe that my ancestors fought in the Revolutionary War so that their children could freely speak their minds, protest, and criticize the president, without being called "traitors." I have met charming DAR members from other chapters who tell me that their chapters are not like this. I am told that in some other chapters there is more genealogy and less politics. I am told that there might be a discussion over topics of the day, which is all right with me. But I am afraid that the indelible impression left with me is that the national DAR was hijacked by politics and beliefs that, in my opinion, are very un-American. Those ladies need to go back to school and read the Constitution, the Bill or Rights, and a lot of American history. It has been suggested I should join the DAR to change it from within, but (a) I can't support those kinds of political statements, and (b) life is too short. So, anyone want to form a counter-DAR with me? Virginia Nuta

In Washington D.C. is the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. He was not a Revolutionary War soldier. Many, many RW participants are unknown patriots and soldiers. 1. Not all Revolutionary War soldiers and patriots are on the DAR lists. 2. Not all Revolutionary War soldiers received pensions nor applied for them. 3. Many served in local militias that were formed for a local battle. Rarely do rosters exist for these men and only by hard research are their partipation records located. 4. During the War of 1812 the British destroyed many Revolutionary War Records in Washington, especially the naval records. 5. Many or most are lying in unmarked graves. They did not have body-bags in those days. No DNA testing to identify body parts either. Hence, we honor them when we search the facts and do the hard paperwork and have them added to the DAR or SAR rolls. They won a war that created the United States of America. There is a Viet Nam Honor Wall in D.C. There are battlefields and cemeteries for the Civil War dead. There are cemeteries in Europe where the dead Americans of World War I and II are memoralized. There are NO such places for the men and women who gave their lives, their goods and services for the Revolutionary War. The DAR and SAR are the only organizations available where a patriot's records are archived and maintained for those who want to honor their ancestors by having their war efforts recognized. And yes, I work on their history and prove my lineage in order to Honor them, not myself. When I am dead, they will live on....because they ARE recorded in the rolls of the DAR or SAR. Anyone read a good Revolutionary War history lately? Just finished "Washington's Spies" by Alexander Ross. Good read! If you want to get into the horror of the events try the 4 volume series: "Nothing but Blood and Slaughter" by Patrick O'Kelley. This series will enlighten those who think that the RW was a picnic. The swamps of South Carolina hold the lost remains of many, many a man who never was buried nor received a grave stone. The DAR and SAR will place a memorial marker for these men wherever they may be buried. I haven't asked what they do about those who died in the swamps. I wonder why some folks do not understand the concept of Honor? Tree Mother "She is insane, of course. The family history has become a mania for her." Hercule Poirot http://www.FrontPorchRockerNews.blogspot.com "Truth and reason are eternal. They have prevailed. And they will eternally prevail; however, in times and places they may be overborne for a while by violence, military, civil, or ecclesiastical." --Thomas Jefferson Thomas Jefferson, 1810 ----- Original Message ----- From: "qvarizona" <qvarizona@yahoo.com> To: <american-revolution@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [AMERICAN-REVOLUTION] DAR/SAR > I think those men and women who want to join either SAR or DAR should be > encouraged, but for some members --who I'm sure do not speak for either > organization-- to suggest it's a necessary step for anyone who truly loves > this country is a bit inclusive, naive, and, in my own opinion, > un-American; surely not the goal any of us have in mind. > > It's when DAR members suggest that they are honoring their ancestors by > joining DAR, that they lose me. One woman wrote recently that she joined > DAR for her ancestor, not herself, but if that were the case, why is it > difficult to learn about her ancestor and all the others recognized by > DAR, through DAR? Just where is her ancestor being honored? Surely, > planting a flag in a cemetery on Vet's Day, while an honorable thing to > do, is not enough. Why, if I were to enter his name in a google search, > the odds are that I would not learn anything about him, unless his > pension application was included online in Heritage > > > Quest, etc. OR if someone outside of DAR published his bio online? What > does DAR do to honor him? I realize this sounds sarcastic, but it's meant > as a serious question. Have I missed something that DAR has made > available publically that honors individual RWV's? > > Many genealogists --DAR members and others-- feel that by publishing > information about their ancestors online, they can not only > honor their RWV, but "share" with other descendants who may not otherwise > learn about their family's contribution. And how > about the mail list-mother for Botetourt Co. VA, who is publishing all of > the pension apps > of RWV's she can find for those from that county? She may or may not > be a DAR member, but surely her action comes as closer to honoring country > and the men who helped build it as taking pride in being a member of any > association. > > > Joanne > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now. > List Mom for the AMERICAN-REVOLUTION mailing list: > Diana Boothe philsbarbie1@arkansasfamilies.net > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > We have archives! Search for your AMERICAN-REVOLUTION information > here..... > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=AMERICAN-REVOLUTION > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out other genealogy resources on the net at John Fuller's most > helpful site http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

*LOL* That's the funniest thing I've heard in a week!!! :-) (And like most humor, contains enough truth to be cutting) -David -----Original Message----- From: american-revolution-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:american-revolution-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mark E. Dixon Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 9:54 AM To: american-revolution@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AMERICAN-REVOLUTION] DAR and SAR >Freedom is not free. Actually, freedom -- like grace -- is free. The Declaration of Independence says so: "...they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness...." It's world domination that is so blasted expensive. Mark List Mom for the AMERICAN-REVOLUTION mailing list: Diana Boothe philsbarbie1@arkansasfamilies.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ We have archives! Search for your AMERICAN-REVOLUTION information here..... http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=AMERICAN-REVOLUT ION ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out other genealogy resources on the net at John Fuller's most helpful site http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nancy, If you'll send me the name of the child of Seagraves that you descend from, I'll look at the applications that have been sent in to the DAR can give you a lot of information. Anytime. Ester

The DAR Patriot Index is by name. You can also search by the spouse's name. Is someone already joined DAR on that person, then their service has already been documented. Look at _www.dar.org_ (http://www.dar.org) and click on Membership to see the types of service that is acceptable. Phyllis In a message dated 12/8/2006 4:25:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mmcalonie@msn.com writes:

I have to admit, I'm curious...who does? -----Original Message----- From: american-revolution-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:american-revolution-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of qvarizona Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 10:08 AM To: american-revolution@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AMERICAN-REVOLUTION] AMERICAN-REVOLUTION What is the SAR? You paint a much better picture of SAR than does the Mission Statement and the "Reasons We Join" on SAR's webpage. Joanne __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com List Mom for the AMERICAN-REVOLUTION mailing list: Diana Boothe philsbarbie1@arkansasfamilies.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ We have archives! Search for your AMERICAN-REVOLUTION information here..... http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=AMERICAN-REVOLUT ION ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out other genealogy resources on the net at John Fuller's most helpful site http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mike, You probably will find your ancestor on this site. At the bottom of the "Forward" section, there is a reference section which gives some imformation about most of the persons listed. It might be helpful. George The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: Shortcut to: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nysarato/sarapk.htm#Top Note: To protect against computer viruses, e-mail programs may prevent sending or receiving certain types of file attachments. Check your e-mail security settings to determine how attachments are handled.

Hi Ann, I found one Elisha Sanford in the online index, but it's not the man you're looking for. The one that's in the index was born in 1750 and married Rhoda Johnson. Karen Sullivan -----Original Message----- From: american-revolution-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:american-revolution-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ann Brown Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 2:15 AM To: american-revolution@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AMERICAN-REVOLUTION] Patriot Elisha Sanford "LOOKUP" Thank you for the web address for the look up. Ann On 12/7/06, qvarizona <qvarizona@yahoo.com> wrote: > > You can send the name to DAR and within few days they'll let you know. > > http://www.dar.org/natsociety/pi_lookup.cfm > > Joanne > > Ann Brown <cookiebrown11@gmail.com> wrote: > I would like to know if anyone has documented this man listed below as > a Patriot for either DAR or SAR enrollment. Could someone please check > for me? Elisha Sanford of Norwich, Conn. b. 18 Nov 1755 m Mary Dorman > 6 Feb 1782. Elisha died 23 Jan 1834 and Mary death place unknown? . > This info was handed down to me by an Aunt who did the research on the > family. I don't know where she got her information so must prove all > this. Perhaps in the town records. > > Thank you, Ann Brown > Florida > > > -- > Ann Brown " Cookie" > List Mom for the AMERICAN-REVOLUTION mailing list: > Diana Boothe philsbarbie1@arkansasfamilies.net > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > We have archives! Search for your AMERICAN-REVOLUTION information > here..... > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=AMERICAN-R > EVOLUTION > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Check out other genealogy resources on the net at John Fuller's most > helpful site http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. > List Mom for the AMERICAN-REVOLUTION mailing list: > Diana Boothe philsbarbie1@arkansasfamilies.net > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > We have archives! Search for your AMERICAN-REVOLUTION information > here..... > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=AMERICAN-R > EVOLUTION > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out other genealogy resources on the net at John Fuller's > most helpful site http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Ann Brown " Cookie" List Mom for the AMERICAN-REVOLUTION mailing list: Diana Boothe philsbarbie1@arkansasfamilies.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ We have archives! Search for your AMERICAN-REVOLUTION information here..... http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=AMERICAN-REVOLUT ION ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out other genealogy resources on the net at John Fuller's most helpful site http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is there a way to search the patriot index by location? If there is, can anyone tell me if there are any listed for Cambridge, now Washington County (then Albany County) NY. Or Salem or Easton NY. Payrolls and muster rolls seemed to have been destroyed in a fire for NY militia, and I am trying to get an idea of how other local patriots were proven, other than pension records. The men I am interested in were listed in the surviving militia rosters and have modern veterans markers stating Rev. War service (but are not in Dar patriot index), but I can not find any documents in NYS archives to prove it. Only a 1900 church "vanity" history that says that they were in the American army in the Burgoyne Campaign. And one document that states a man by the same name of one of his brothers was a LT. in that same militia regiment, but the brother is not in my direct line. So what exactly is necessary to document service. I did find an old interview from the 1840s that stated that one of them tried to save the local county judge from attack from a band of vengeful Tories back from Canada during the war by warning him to stay away from his house. But to me that sounds funny that he knew about it, and probably doesn't quite count as aiding the cause. So again, what is acceptable proof? Thanks! Mike

>Freedom is not free. Actually, freedom -- like grace -- is free. The Declaration of Independence says so: "...they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness...." It's world domination that is so blasted expensive. Mark

Good Morning, I had previously replied to this post privately, but since the posters post to me went public, I thought it best to make my response public as well. It is exactly as sent to the poster, with some minor information redacted. ---snip--- I felt it was clear from the phrasing of my question that my outsiders opinion of SAR (and not DAR, which I know is active), is that they don't seem to "do" anything, they don't seem to be an active group, except in that they seem to be willing to accept membership funds. I've never even heard of SAR until a few months ago (I grew up knowing about DAR). I've looked at the list of "activities" for our local SAR chapter. They marched in a parade for the opening of a new bridge a few months ago. (I was there, I saw them). But I haven't seen them "do" anything. I haven't seen a SAR group cleaning a cemetery, doing educational speeches at schools, of doing any civic-projects. It's not to say they don't, but, I haven't seen it. Second, if they are in fact based on "God, Home, and Country", and if in fact a requirement in a belief in God is part of their code, I don't want to be a member. I'm an atheist, and proud of that. My ancestors were Presbyterians, and that's fine for them. But I am not. Atheists and agnostics are the second-largest "religious" group in the United States (second Roman Catholics), and this is according to the 2000 United Churches own reports (I looked it up at the local library myself in their own publications). I think the most dangerous thing inside this country are zealots with closed minds. We are a far bigger danger to ourselves than any perceived danger from foreign nationals, foreign nations, and other cultures. If "preserving our heritage" means eliminating the heritage of others, it's not worth preserving. DAR is, I think a wonderful organization who does many wonderful things. SAR, on the other hand, doesn't seem to be doing very much. Especially in my area. If I'm going to have to pay handsomely for the privilege of joining, I want to know that that money does something more than puts me on a list and gets me a newsletter. I want it to do some good. One of my family members, was, in fact, a DAR State Regent. She died in '53, but, I am hopefully building on her wonderful work. I work for a firm that is Veteran-owned, my boss and the owner are both former Marines, both of them with multiple combat tours. My employers firm does high-tech research for various agencies of the Federal government, and I am proud and pleased to work for a firm that is developing technology that will have a very real and very direct application, helping to keep our military and civilian population safe from threats. I served as a volunteer for the US Army Recruiting group for four years. I have several dozen ancestors who have served in every conflict from the French and Indian War to Vietnam (my uncle) and Iraq (cousin). I say this, because I don't have to go to church on Sunday to be a proud American patriot, or for our family to have paid for its share of our freedoms with our own blood. I would be proud to be a productive member of SAR. If they, in fact, are a productive group, like DAR is. I'm just not going to pay large fees just to have my name on a list and get an occasional newsletter. -David ---snip--- -----Original Message----- From: american-revolution-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:american-revolution-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of PmpGenie@aol.com Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 6:52 PM To: american-revolution@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AMERICAN-REVOLUTION] DAR and SAR In a message dated 12/7/2006 7:30:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, DaveReed@midmaine.com writes: I thougth about joining SAR, but, I couldn't really find any real reason to...it doesn't seem that they "do" anything, and that membership is pretty expensive considering it doesn't "mean" anything... (If someone can provide good reason to join, let me know!) Today is the 65th Anniversary of Pearl Harbor. If you don't think that means anything, then you should not join SAR or DAR. If you care about promoting patriotism and education and preserving our heritage, then you should join SAR or DAR and get everyone you know to join also. You said that SAR was expensive. Freedom is not free. What is this country worth? As the commercial says -- It is priceless! If you would like to know some of the MANY great things that DAR does, go to _www.dar.org_ (http://www.dar.org) . Look around that website, and you will be amazed. There are links to click across the top and all over the site. If you would like to know some of the MANY great things that SAR does, go to _Sons of the American Revolution_ (http://www.sar.org/) SAR and DAR are very similar, and there are many joint activities and project which include both organizations. If you are interested in joining, there are links to click to have someone from the local chapter contact you. There are also people to help you with the application process. Military service of your ancestor is not a requirement for joining. The person must have "aided the cause of American independence" either with military, patriotic or civil service. There were also some women who are classified as Patriots -- in fact I have female Revolutionary ancestors. If the person was born before 1776 and breathing at any time between 1775 and 1783, he or she may have some type of Revolutionary service. If they were breathing, they were never too old. One of my ancestors was 90 when he signed an Oath of Allegiance in NC. If there is a DAR or SAR chapter in your town that does not DO anything, then that means you need to get in there and help them with all the work there is to do. Phyllis in GA List Mom for the AMERICAN-REVOLUTION mailing list: Diana Boothe philsbarbie1@arkansasfamilies.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ We have archives! Search for your AMERICAN-REVOLUTION information here..... http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=AMERICAN-REVOLUT ION ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out other genealogy resources on the net at John Fuller's most helpful site http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think those men and women who want to join either SAR or DAR should be encouraged, but for some members --who I'm sure do not speak for either organization-- to suggest it's a necessary step for anyone who truly loves this country is a bit inclusive, naive, and, in my own opinion, un-American; surely not the goal any of us have in mind. It's when DAR members suggest that they are honoring their ancestors by joining DAR, that they lose me. One woman wrote recently that she joined DAR for her ancestor, not herself, but if that were the case, why is it difficult to learn about her ancestor and all the others recognized by DAR, through DAR? Just where is her ancestor being honored? Surely, planting a flag in a cemetery on Vet's Day, while an honorable thing to do, is not enough. Why, if I were to enter his name in a google search, the odds are that I would not learn anything about him, unless his pension application was included online in Heritage Quest, etc. OR if someone outside of DAR published his bio online? What does DAR do to honor him? I realize this sounds sarcastic, but it's meant as a serious question. Have I missed something that DAR has made available publically that honors individual RWV's? Many genealogists --DAR members and others-- feel that by publishing information about their ancestors online, they can not only honor their RWV, but "share" with other descendants who may not otherwise learn about their family's contribution. And how about the mail list-mother for Botetourt Co. VA, who is publishing all of the pension apps of RWV's she can find for those from that county? She may or may not be a DAR member, but surely her action comes as closer to honoring country and the men who helped build it as taking pride in being a member of any association. Joanne --------------------------------- Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now.

You paint a much better picture of SAR than does the Mission Statement and the "Reasons We Join" on SAR's webpage. Joanne __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Thank you Pat. I'll have to do more research as to where my Aunt/Cousin got this information. Ann On 12/7/06, Pat Reeser <pareeser@insightbb.com> wrote: > > As a followup to the question from Ann Brown, Elisha and Rhoda seem to > have > had children Mabel, Nancy, Mehitibel, Mary, and Elisha, and people gone > through these children as part of their line to Elisha. I don't know if > this helps you or not. > > Pat > > List Mom for the AMERICAN-REVOLUTION mailing list: > Diana Boothe philsbarbie1@arkansasfamilies.net > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > We have archives! Search for your AMERICAN-REVOLUTION information > here..... > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=AMERICAN-REVOLUTION > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out other genealogy resources on the net at John Fuller's most > helpful site http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Ann Brown " Cookie"

Thank you for the web address for the look up. Ann On 12/7/06, qvarizona <qvarizona@yahoo.com> wrote: > > You can send the name to DAR and within few days they'll let you know. > > http://www.dar.org/natsociety/pi_lookup.cfm > > Joanne > > Ann Brown <cookiebrown11@gmail.com> wrote: > I would like to know if anyone has documented this man listed below as a > Patriot for either DAR or SAR enrollment. Could someone please check for > me? > Elisha Sanford of Norwich, Conn. b. 18 Nov 1755 m Mary Dorman 6 Feb 1782. > Elisha died 23 Jan 1834 and Mary death place unknown? . This info was > handed down to me by an Aunt who did the research on the family. I don't > know where she got her information so must prove all this. Perhaps in the > town records. > > Thank you, Ann Brown > Florida > > > -- > Ann Brown " Cookie" > List Mom for the AMERICAN-REVOLUTION mailing list: > Diana Boothe philsbarbie1@arkansasfamilies.net > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > We have archives! Search for your AMERICAN-REVOLUTION information > here..... > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=AMERICAN-REVOLUTION > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out other genealogy resources on the net at John Fuller's most > helpful site http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. > List Mom for the AMERICAN-REVOLUTION mailing list: > Diana Boothe philsbarbie1@arkansasfamilies.net > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > We have archives! Search for your AMERICAN-REVOLUTION information > here..... > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=AMERICAN-REVOLUTION > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out other genealogy resources on the net at John Fuller's most > helpful site http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Ann Brown " Cookie"

In a message dated 12/7/2006 7:30:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, DaveReed@midmaine.com writes: I thougth about joining SAR, but, I couldn't really find any real reason to...it doesn't seem that they "do" anything, and that membership is pretty expensive considering it doesn't "mean" anything... (If someone can provide good reason to join, let me know!) Today is the 65th Anniversary of Pearl Harbor. If you don't think that means anything, then you should not join SAR or DAR. If you care about promoting patriotism and education and preserving our heritage, then you should join SAR or DAR and get everyone you know to join also. You said that SAR was expensive. Freedom is not free. What is this country worth? As the commercial says -- It is priceless! If you would like to know some of the MANY great things that DAR does, go to _www.dar.org_ (http://www.dar.org) . Look around that website, and you will be amazed. There are links to click across the top and all over the site. If you would like to know some of the MANY great things that SAR does, go to _Sons of the American Revolution_ (http://www.sar.org/) SAR and DAR are very similar, and there are many joint activities and project which include both organizations. If you are interested in joining, there are links to click to have someone from the local chapter contact you. There are also people to help you with the application process. Military service of your ancestor is not a requirement for joining. The person must have "aided the cause of American independence" either with military, patriotic or civil service. There were also some women who are classified as Patriots -- in fact I have female Revolutionary ancestors. If the person was born before 1776 and breathing at any time between 1775 and 1783, he or she may have some type of Revolutionary service. If they were breathing, they were never too old. One of my ancestors was 90 when he signed an Oath of Allegiance in NC. If there is a DAR or SAR chapter in your town that does not DO anything, then that means you need to get in there and help them with all the work there is to do. Phyllis in GA