Rations in the army during the Revolution were not quite up to home style eating. The daily rations, when available, consisted of bread, half pound of beef and half pound of pork, or salt fish: milk, rice, peas or beans, butter, and half a pint of vinegar. Food was always to be boiled or roasted never fried, baked or broiled becuse these methods were considered very unhealthy, Vinegar, lots of it, was supposed to be good for you. But army food of any kind was often scarce, rancid and wormy. at times biscuits captured 15 years before from the French, were served after being softened by dropping cannon balls on them. Peas served to soldiers on one occasion were referred to, in a letter home, as "hard enough for musket flints..they would break the teeth of a rat!" It is ironic that throughout the Revolution there was never a shortage of food and clothing in the colonies. Soldiers went ragged and hungry because the Continental Congress couldn't get the goods to camp. Bad roads and lack of drivers and vehicles often delayed or prevented delivery. Even more tragic was the fact that many farmers preferred to sell their wheat and flour to the British for soild gold or silver coins. The Patriots' paper dollars were of such doutful value that Washington himself once exclaimed he couldn't get a wagon load of food for a wagon load of money. War profiteers in general were condemned by General Washington as men with "a dirty mercenary spirit" ..strong words for the leader who almost never lost his temper. From:"American Revolution , Notes Quotes and Anecdotes" A Sedgewick Archives book with text by Lee M. White p44 Ann

Regimental Muster http://members.aol.com/jkjustin/BRITS.html Casualty, page not active 1st Regiment of Foot Guards ---------- Massachussetts based line unit Casualty, page not active 1st Foot Guards Grenadier Company ---------- Michigan based detachment with a nice unit history Casualty, page not active 5th Regiment of Foot ---------- Massachussetts and Rhode Island based unit with grenadiers and lights & a history of brown bess The King's Regiment (8th Foot) ---------- Michigan unit that recreates the 3 companies of the 8th at Fort Michilimackinac 9th Regiment of Foot ---------- Saratoga Battlefield based unit 10th Regiment of Foot ---------- Massachussetts based Line unit 22nd Regiment of Foot ---------- A New Jersey based Line unit 23rd Regiment of Foot West Platoon ---------- West Coast Contingent Casualty, page not active 24th Regiment of Foot ---------- Nice description of typical event and a link to unit museum Casualty, page not active 25th Regiment of Foot ---------- Midland, Michigan based Battalion recreating all companies of the 25th under Lt.-General, Dennis George Lennox II(Lord George Lennox, K.G.) 33rd Regiment of Foot, Colonel's Company ---------- A California Regiment with a nice description of period uniforms 33rd Regiment of Foot, Light Company ---------- A Southeast Light unit. 40th Regiment of Foot ---------- Rhode Island Based Line Unit Casualty, page not active 42nd Royal Highland Regiment ---------- Indiana based kilt wearing Line Unit Casualty, page not active 42nd Royal Highland Regiment, Light Infantry Company ---------- Tennessee based southeast recruiting kilt wearing Skirmisher unit 55th Regiment of Foot, Trevor's Coy ---------- Illinois contingent of the Two Fives 64th Regiment of Foot ---------- One of several pages for this large Virginia based Line unit 64th Regiment of Foot ---------- The home page for the Black Knots with an excellent historical overview 71st Regiment of Foot Fraser's Highlanders ---------- Men in Kilts recruiting from Central New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio and West Virginia 84th Regiment of Foot, Royal Highland Emmigrants ---------- Headquarters of Scottish Emigree Line unit 84th Regiment of Foot, 1st Company, 2nd Battalion ---------- Western Ohio based Scottish Emigree Line unit 84th Regiment of Foot, 6th Company ---------- Michigan, Northern Ohio, Canada based Scottish Emigree Line unit Casualty, page not active 17th Light Dragoons ---------- Illinois based horse soldiers Royal Irish Artillery ---------- A battery of four guns with Massachussetts HQ and a Maine detachment 1st Battalion Royal Marines, Jim Sheets Detachment ---------- Florida based maritime group British Marines ---------- Pensylvania based maritime unit (Link below is second page for same unit) Garrisson Regiment

Bob: Do you know what Regiments Howe had with him at Brandywine? Brandywine Creek PA/DE -- site of major battle 11 Sep 1777 between Howe's Army on its march from the head of Chesapeake Bay to Philadelphia and Washington's Continental Army. The prinical battle was against the Hessians at Chadd's Ford (PA) whilst Lord Cornwallis made his crossing at Jeffries' Ford (PA), enfilading the Continentals. Thanks, in advance, Wally Lowe ----- Original Message ----- From: "RC Brooks" <rcbrooks@acadia.net> To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [A-REV] Re: Locations > Joan -- > > You asked:. > > Could someone tell me where these locations are that would have been the > > correct ones during the American Revolution > <snip> > > I have reordered your sites to place them in chronological sequence as to > the likely involvement of a Loyalist. > > > Brandywine > > Brandywine Creek PA/DE -- site of major battle 11 Sep 1777 between Howe's > Army on its march from the head of Chesapeake Bay to Philadelphia and > Washington's Continental Army. The prinical battle was against the Hessians > at Chadd's Ford (PA) whilst Lord Cornwallis made his crossing at Jeffries' > Ford (PA), enfilading the Continentals. > > > German Town > > PA -- a few miles due north of Philadelphia, Howe's HQ prior to his moving > into Philadelpha, another major battle when Washington attacked the Britsh > Camp in the fog on 4 Oct 1777, but was smartly repulsed. > > > Mud Island > > PA -- island in Delaware River downstream from Philadelphia, site of Fort > Mifflin, beseiged by British 10-16 Nov 1777, then evacuated the night 15/16 > Nov.. Its fall doomed Fort Mercer on the east side at Red Bank NJ which had > repulsed the Hessian assault on the morning of 22 October. Fort Mercer was > abandoned the night of 20/21 November, thereby openning the Delware River to > Philadelphia allowing Howe to resupply his troops before the river froze for > the winter. > > > Monmouth > > NJ -- major battle on 28 June 1778 when Washington attacked the British Army > (now under Clinton who had just replaced Howe) during its retreat from > Philadelphia to NYC. > > COMMENT: The above all are part of Howe's 1777-1778 campaign which included > the capture of Philadelphia. I recommend you get the following book via > interliabray loan: > John W. Jackson, _With the British Army in Philadelphia 1777_ (San Rafael > CA: Presidio Press 1979), xiv, 374 p. : ill. ; 22 cm., index, bibliography. > ----- > > > Charles Town > > There are at least five sites of this name: > > 1/-- PA -- included Valley Forge PA > > 2/-- MA (now a part of Boston) -- The village burned at the beginning of the > Battle of Bunker's & Breed's Hills 17 June 1775 > > 3/-- SC name changed to Charleston in 1783 after British evacuation -- > Britsh attempt under Gen'l Clinton to capture the town in June 1776 failed, > British attempt under Gen'l Prevost on 11-12 May 1779 failed, British > attempt under Gen'l Clinton led to surrender of town on 12 May 1780. > > 4/-- VA -- small town in Shennandoah valley where Hessian POWs where held in > 1782-3. > > 5/ -- MD -- on the Potomac River, probably now Port Tobacco or Popes Creek > MD or part of the US Navy Proving Grounds on Blossom Pt. > > COMMENT: Charleston SC was one of the few Loyalist strongholds in the south > following its capture in May 1780. > ----- > > > New Town > > There are several possibilities, only one noted for being a battlefield, > viz-- > > NY -- called Chemung by the Indians, now Elmira NY -- part of Gen Sullivan's > campagn to lay waste all the Indian settlements -- on 29 Aug 1779 at Newtown > Sullivan engaged the British and Indians under the Butlers, McDonnell and > Brant and after a bloddy fight, the British and Indians abandoned their > postions. > > More likely places involving Loyalists would be: > > In the Philadelphia area: > > Newtown (Bucks County) PA -- due west of Trenton NJ about 10 miles. > > Newtown (Chester County) PA -- now Newtown Square PA about 10 miles west of > Philadelphia. > > Newtown Creek NJ -- Creek entering the east side of Delaware River just > downriver from Philadelphia and just north of Glocester (now Gloucester > City) NJ. There was no village called "Newtown" at this location. > > In the NYC area are: > > Newtown, Long Island, NY -- JFW Des Barres' 1776 "A Skertch of the > Operations of His Majesty's Fleet and Army under the Command of Vice Admiral > the R't H'ble Lord Vicount Howe and Gen'l S'r W'm Howe K:B: in 1776" names > this village about 1 mile SW of the village of Flushing at about the > presernt location of Shea Stadium. Another contemporary map names the cove > west of Flushing as "Newtown Inlet." Today it is called "Flushing Bay" and > its westerly shore abutts Laguardia Airport. > > Newtown CT -- just east of Danbury CT. > > The above are all locations which could be applicable to a Loyalist who > succoured in NYC and Philadelphia. "Newtown" and "Charlestown" sound like > possible residences prior to the war. You should be able to identify the > genear location from w3hence they hailed from by looking at those who > received adjacent land grants. I have never attempted to pursue > Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey or Connecticut Loyalists, but suspect > that another lister can cite a scholarly work on the subject. I would > certainly look into the Loyalist claims filed after the war. These are > preserved at the UK Public Record Office in the A.O. 12 and A.O. 13 series. > All have been microfilmed. You can borow the films via interlibrarey loan > from the Nanional Archives of Canada in Ottawa but today I no longer can > give you the proper citiations. > > Bob Brooks > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 >

I have just bookmarked the website for the 4th Company. As a child of 12, my father and his brother told me that they had a relative in the Welsh Fusiliers at the Battle of Lexington and Concord. Later, that same soldier, whoever he was (and I didn't ask for a name) was at Bunker Hill. Also at Bunker Hill was the British Soldier's own first cousin who fought on the American side. Again, I don't have a name. However, my father indicated to me that he was related to William Lloyd Garrison. Some day I hope to start research on all these interesting little clues. Thanks. Annie Lloyd Los Angeles

Joan -- You asked:. > Could someone tell me where these locations are that would have been the > correct ones during the American Revolution <snip> I have reordered your sites to place them in chronological sequence as to the likely involvement of a Loyalist. > Brandywine Brandywine Creek PA/DE -- site of major battle 11 Sep 1777 between Howe's Army on its march from the head of Chesapeake Bay to Philadelphia and Washington's Continental Army. The prinical battle was against the Hessians at Chadd's Ford (PA) whilst Lord Cornwallis made his crossing at Jeffries' Ford (PA), enfilading the Continentals. > German Town PA -- a few miles due north of Philadelphia, Howe's HQ prior to his moving into Philadelpha, another major battle when Washington attacked the Britsh Camp in the fog on 4 Oct 1777, but was smartly repulsed. > Mud Island PA -- island in Delaware River downstream from Philadelphia, site of Fort Mifflin, beseiged by British 10-16 Nov 1777, then evacuated the night 15/16 Nov.. Its fall doomed Fort Mercer on the east side at Red Bank NJ which had repulsed the Hessian assault on the morning of 22 October. Fort Mercer was abandoned the night of 20/21 November, thereby openning the Delware River to Philadelphia allowing Howe to resupply his troops before the river froze for the winter. > Monmouth NJ -- major battle on 28 June 1778 when Washington attacked the British Army (now under Clinton who had just replaced Howe) during its retreat from Philadelphia to NYC. COMMENT: The above all are part of Howe's 1777-1778 campaign which included the capture of Philadelphia. I recommend you get the following book via interliabray loan: John W. Jackson, _With the British Army in Philadelphia 1777_ (San Rafael CA: Presidio Press 1979), xiv, 374 p. : ill. ; 22 cm., index, bibliography. ----- > Charles Town There are at least five sites of this name: 1/-- PA -- included Valley Forge PA 2/-- MA (now a part of Boston) -- The village burned at the beginning of the Battle of Bunker's & Breed's Hills 17 June 1775 3/-- SC name changed to Charleston in 1783 after British evacuation -- Britsh attempt under Gen'l Clinton to capture the town in June 1776 failed, British attempt under Gen'l Prevost on 11-12 May 1779 failed, British attempt under Gen'l Clinton led to surrender of town on 12 May 1780. 4/-- VA -- small town in Shennandoah valley where Hessian POWs where held in 1782-3. 5/ -- MD -- on the Potomac River, probably now Port Tobacco or Popes Creek MD or part of the US Navy Proving Grounds on Blossom Pt. COMMENT: Charleston SC was one of the few Loyalist strongholds in the south following its capture in May 1780. ----- > New Town There are several possibilities, only one noted for being a battlefield, viz-- NY -- called Chemung by the Indians, now Elmira NY -- part of Gen Sullivan's campagn to lay waste all the Indian settlements -- on 29 Aug 1779 at Newtown Sullivan engaged the British and Indians under the Butlers, McDonnell and Brant and after a bloddy fight, the British and Indians abandoned their postions. More likely places involving Loyalists would be: In the Philadelphia area: Newtown (Bucks County) PA -- due west of Trenton NJ about 10 miles. Newtown (Chester County) PA -- now Newtown Square PA about 10 miles west of Philadelphia. Newtown Creek NJ -- Creek entering the east side of Delaware River just downriver from Philadelphia and just north of Glocester (now Gloucester City) NJ. There was no village called "Newtown" at this location. In the NYC area are: Newtown, Long Island, NY -- JFW Des Barres' 1776 "A Skertch of the Operations of His Majesty's Fleet and Army under the Command of Vice Admiral the R't H'ble Lord Vicount Howe and Gen'l S'r W'm Howe K:B: in 1776" names this village about 1 mile SW of the village of Flushing at about the presernt location of Shea Stadium. Another contemporary map names the cove west of Flushing as "Newtown Inlet." Today it is called "Flushing Bay" and its westerly shore abutts Laguardia Airport. Newtown CT -- just east of Danbury CT. The above are all locations which could be applicable to a Loyalist who succoured in NYC and Philadelphia. "Newtown" and "Charlestown" sound like possible residences prior to the war. You should be able to identify the genear location from w3hence they hailed from by looking at those who received adjacent land grants. I have never attempted to pursue Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey or Connecticut Loyalists, but suspect that another lister can cite a scholarly work on the subject. I would certainly look into the Loyalist claims filed after the war. These are preserved at the UK Public Record Office in the A.O. 12 and A.O. 13 series. All have been microfilmed. You can borow the films via interlibrarey loan from the Nanional Archives of Canada in Ottawa but today I no longer can give you the proper citiations. Bob Brooks

I have some questions I have read that Gen. William Howe was an illegitimate descent of King George 1 and When British General George Augustus Howe the 3rd Viscount died the title passed to the younger brother Richard (making him 4th Viscount) than when Richard died in 1799 William succeedede to the Irish Title becoming the 5th Viscount. My question is why did the title pass to the younger brother Richard first and to the older brother William ?. I thought that the oldest son would receive the title first Ann

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Hi Ann, The way I read it is George is the 3rd, Richard the 4th and William the 5th ... because William has been noted as being "the youngest'' of the three brothers. Jan Ann Keegan wrote: > I have some questions I > have read that Gen. William Howe was an > illegitimate descent of King George 1 and When > British General George Augustus Howe the 3rd Viscount > died the title passed to the younger brother Richard (making him 4th > Viscount) than when Richard died in 1799 William > succeedede to the Irish Title becoming the 5th Viscount. > My question is why did the title pass to the younger brother Richard first > and to the older brother William ?. I thought that the oldest son would > receive the title first Ann > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

Joan, here is another site, also Look A Fort Miffin for Mud Island which was near or on the Deleware River, Pennsylvania Ann http://google.yahoo.com/bin/query?p=American+Revolution+Mud+Island&hc=0&hs=0

>Could someone tell me where these locations are that would have been the >correct ones during the American Revolution. I am trying to track my two >UELs. >Brandywine http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnis/web_query.GetDetail?tab=Y&id=1196646 >Charles Town http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnis/web_query.place_code_GetDetail?tab=Y&id=619308 >Mud Island There are a lot of Mud Islands around, but I'd bet this is the one of interest. http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnis/web_query.GetDetail?tab=Y&id=1182000 >German Town There are a lot of Germantowns in PA, but I believe this is the one of interest http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnis/web_query.GetDetail?tab=Y&id=1214070 >Monmouth http://www.state.nj.us/dep/forestry/parks/monbat.htm >New Town ????

Joan I think you will find what you want on Places of Battles Ann http://www.sar.org/history/batldate.txt

Hi Marilyn, Marilyn Prinzing wrote: > The most recent topic has brought up a question which someone might be able > to answer. The brothers Gen. William Howe and Adm. Richard Howe had a > nephew who gave up his lands to come to the Colonies. This nephew fought on > the American side against his uncles. > > Is there any genealogical history available on these Howes in order to > determine who the nephew was? <snip> If it is a nephew of the two named, then it should be the son of 3rd Viscount George Augustus Howe (ca.1725-1758) I was found several interesting items that might prove fruitful - ------- William Howe was one of three brothers in a family that had played a major role in defending the liberties of the American colonies. During the Seven Years' War the eldest brother, the 3rd Viscount George Augustus Howe, had died leading a combined force of British and American troops against the French fortress of Ticonderoga in northern New York. In recognition of his sacrifice, the grateful colony of Massachusetts had raised £250 to commission a memorial to the 3rd Viscount in Westminster Abbey. ----------------- Just a snippet of a very interesting exchange at http://webserver1.oneonta.edu/external/cooper/articles/nyhistory/1914nyhistory-holden.html "It was at this time that the remains of Lord George Viscount Howe, killed in the attack an Ticonderoga, 1758, which had been removed according to B. J. Lossing, the historian, to "a Place under the chancel of St. Peter's Church", were found; and they now rest under the vestibule of the present St. Peter's. (J. A. Holden, "New Historical Light on Real Burial Place of Lord Howe", Proceedings of New York State Historical Association, 10:259-366, Glens Falls, 1911)." ----- http://www.fort-ticonderoga.org/bibliographies.htm go to very bottom of page under 'Genealogy' 'Possible' that they may has his genealogy available under French & Indian Wars, or a suggestion where to find it. Good luck, Jan

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This may help you. http://www.ahttp://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/reference/maps/main.aspnc estry.com/search/rectype/reference/maps/main.asp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Hedberg (by way of John Robertson <jr@jrshelby.com>)" <jhedberg@telus.net> To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 7:12 AM Subject: [A-REV] Re: Locations > Hi; > > Could someone tell me where these locations are that would have been the > correct ones during the American Revolution. I am trying to track my two > UELs. > > Thomas STEWART & Cornelius DUGAN > > Brandywine > Charles Town > Mud Island > German Town > Monmouth > New Town > > Thank you, > Joan Hedberg from BC, Canada > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > >

Hi, I have been trying for quite sometime to find where I can see these Newspaper Articles to know what it is all about and help me trace where my UEL Cornelius DUGAN came from before the American Revolution. Can anyone help me? This is in a book titled THE LOYALISTS OF NEW JERSEY Their Memorials, Petitions, Claims, Etc. From English Records by E. Alfred Jones. DUGAN, Cornelius (never know whether it is spelt with one or two "g") Sussex Co., judg. (judgment), 1778 - 9 (2 N. E. 435: 3 N. E. 46) As I understand it, it is Newspaper Extracts in New Jersey Archives: judg. --- judgement of forfeiture upon inquisition N. E. --- Newspapers Extracts (from volumes in "New Jersey Archives," Second Series, Vols. II-V) Thank you, Joan BC, Canada

Hi; Could someone tell me where these locations are that would have been the correct ones during the American Revolution. I am trying to track my two UELs. Thomas STEWART & Cornelius DUGAN Brandywine Charles Town Mud Island German Town Monmouth New Town Thank you, Joan Hedberg from BC, Canada

The most recent topic has brought up a question which someone might be able to answer. The brothers Gen. William Howe and Adm. Richard Howe had a nephew who gave up his lands to come to the Colonies. This nephew fought on the American side against his uncles. Is there any genealogical history available on these Howes in order to determine who the nephew was? My g,g,grandmother was a Hulda Anne Howe, who I have been told by my half cousins (Shevlin line), was a distant relative of Adm. Howe. Hulda Howe ultimately married a man whose much older father fought at Valley Forge. I have been trying for some time to trace the lineage of Hulda Anne (Howe) Roley, Shevlin who was born sometime between 1835 and 1845.. Marilyn; Lake Co., Illinois

Hello I would like to thank everyone who responded to my query about the difference with Loyalist/Provincials and Milita. Seems like the fmaily might not have been completely honest about a few things. So far they aren't on the pension lists. I have been trying find out information about the Rev. War and went to the local library (which isn't the biggest I have ever been to..but it has a great children's section and that is important). There doesn't seem to be much on the events that took place in Vermont. I am assuming that they weren't historical. I still can't find out what the Alarm at Castleton was about or the expedition to Northward, Shaftsbury. I have to go back without the kids and I probably will find out more information. Laurie

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Bob, or anyone: Do you know how to find the make-up of Gen. Howe's army - Regiments, etc.? appears she when past New York as on the morning of 11 April 1776 while alongside Long Island, when the fog lifted about 6 AM, the 'Whitby' was out of sight. HMS SCARBOROUGH & the transport 'Symmetry' both went into Rhode Island Roads for a few days; however, there is no mention of the 'Whitby' so I suspect she continued northwardly and if didn't already know about the evacuation of Boston, learned of it in time to progress unobstructed to Halifax where she woiuld have found the fleet recently arrived from Boston. HMS SCARBOROUGH arrived at Halifax on 21 May 1776. The fleet containing MGen Sir Wm. Howe's army sailed from Halifax on 10 June 1776 {If memory serves, Howe's orderly book lists those transports assigned to carry the army units). Howe reached New York on 29 June with the transports staggering in a few days later. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RC Brooks" <rcbrooks@acadia.net> To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [A-REV] Sloop Lady Juliana alias Whitby 1776??? > =snip= > > I am interested in his reference to the ship 'Juliana'; which appears > > to be called the 'Whitby' by historians; first prison ship in NYC. > > One is at risk attempting to define historical "firsts" -- especially > without a clearcut definition of the event being defined. > > Rev War prisoners of war where held on ships by both sides, long before > specific ships were called "prison ships." I am not an expert on the > subject and heartly would encourage anyone undertakening a scholarly study > on the subject. Below follow some gleanings from: Wm Bell Clarrk et al., > eds., _Naval Documents of the American Revolution_ 10 volumes to date > (Washington DC: GPO, 1964- ) re: the two vessels: > > WHITBY, troop transport: > > Transported four companies of the 17th Regt of Foot from Cork, Ireland, to > Portsmouth UK, from whence she sailed 8 Sep 1775 under convoy of HMS PHOENIX > and arrived at Nantasket Roads [Boston] on 9 Nov 1775, then moved to Boston > and disembarked troops. She next loaded part of a detachment of 175 Marines > and sailed 30 Dec 1775 to join convoy with HMS SCARBOROUGH at Nantasket > Roads, from whence she sailed 5 Jan 1776 and arrived at Savannah GA about 12 > Feb 1776. The Marines went along to 'strong-arm' the Georgians into > supplying rice for the amry then garrisoned in Boston an on 2 Mar 1776 there > was an altercation between the British and Americans which was put down. On > 30 Mar 1776 the convoy departed, heading for Boston (evacuated 2 weeks > earlier). > > The next record found is petition dated "'Whitby' Prison Ship, N York, 9th > Decr 1776" which says "... There are more than two Hundred and fifty > prisoners of us on board this Ship ... all Crouded promiscuously togeather, > without Distinction or Respect, to person, rank or color...." The petition > suggests that all were American naval personnel. This is consistent with > other sources wherein naval and merchant mariners were accounted for and > exchanged independent to army POWs. > > So where was the 'Whitby' between 30 Mar 1776 (leaving Savannah) and 9 Dec > 1776 when she is in New York harbor, chocker-block full of naval POWs? > > I appears she when past New York as on the morning of 11 April 1776 while > alongside Long Island, when the fog lifted about 6 AM, the 'Whitby' was out > of sight. HMS SCARBOROUGH & the transport 'Symmetry' both went into Rhode > Island Roads for a few days; however, there is no mention of the 'Whitby' so > I suspect she continued northwardly and if didn't already know about the > evacuation of Boston, learned of it in time to progress unobstructed to > Halifax where she woiuld have found the fleet recently arrived from Boston. > HMS SCARBOROUGH arrived at Halifax on 21 May 1776. The fleet containing > MGen Sir Wm. Howe's army sailed from Halifax on 10 June 1776 {If memory > serves, Howe's orderly book lists those transports assigned to carry the > army units). Howe reached New York on 29 June with the transports > staggering in a few days later. > > JULIANA, troop transport, William Johnson, master: > > [SPECULATION: Hired at Milford Haven by Navy Board ca. 1 Dec 1775, then > sent to Cork under Lt Thomas Tonken to load troops for North America] When > HMS BRISTOL arrived at Cork on 6 Jan 1776, Lt Tonken's Division of > Transports [including JULIANA] had already embarked troops. The Convoy > under HMS BRISTOL departed Cork on 12 Feb 1776 for the Carolinas, arriving 3 > May 1776 at Cape Fear River [NC] where the troops were disembarked [one of > the other transports in Tonken's group had a breakout of small pox enroute > and all suffered from the long voyage]. They re-embarked and on 30 May 1776 > crossed the bar to form for the attempt to capture Charlestown SC. Sailing > 31 May, they arrived off Charlestown bar on 4 June but I do not know whether > she crossed the bar into Five Fathom Hole on 7 June [most transports did] or > whether she still remained outside the bar when the gale hit. After the > attack failed but before 20 July 1776 all had sailed for New York where they > arrived the morning of 1 August 1776 > > I feel confident that I have the correct 'Juliana' identified above. She > may be identical to the ship 'Juliana' Capt. Montgomery who brought NY Gov. > Wm Tyron to NYC as a passenger from London. Arriving 24 June 1775, she > should have been back in England a the same time "your" 'Julianna' seems to > have been hired. > > There was aother vessel named 'Juliana' in the theatre in the rigt time > period. Walter Burke commanded a small, 60 ton, brig named 'Juliana' from > Ireland which 1 Oct 1775 cleared at Annapolis from Galway with a cargo of > "32 servants" for Thomas Ewing in Baltimore. Others are recorded but they > are after the date of your interest > > COMMENTS: > > Both the 'Whitby' and the 'Juliana' are present in New York harbor at the > beginning of October 1776. Both were transport ships chartered by the Navy > Board and by their presence were not among the approximately 200 empty > transports sent back to the UK. I do not know why they were chosen as > prison ships over other transports. As they don't show up on any official > naval accounting lists, I ASSUME that they remained as hired vessels. In > comparison the transport "Dutchess of Russia" (over 300 tons) was > conscribed, then purchased by the British navy and converted into HMS > VIGILANT which playyed a prominent role in the Philadelphia (1777-78) and > Savannah (1778-1780) campaigns. > > Hope this helps > Bob Brooks, retired downeast on the coast of Maine > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >