Can someone please explain what it took to qualify for a land bounty following the RW? Diane in Iowa, USA mailto:meregra@cableone.net icq# 8679306

I dont see one Andrew Farnsworth in the D.A.R. List of the Farnsworth book. There is an Andrew in Dixon's Reg., Vermont Militia as a Sergeant in the War of 1812

In a message dated 11/27/2001 5:58:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, JMJJF@aol.com writes: << Can some one help me understand why a soldier in the Rev. (or spouse) would > Just a guess, but in those days you couldn't jump in the car and go to the nearest place to file your application. Maybe you couldn' t read or write. You could have been in poor health, possibly war-related, with no family to take action for you. These are the reasons that come to my mind; others may have more. Anne >> Also some did not apply for a pension because they were too proud. Phyllis

Hello Don, I may be mistaken, but I seem to recall reading that pensions did not actually become available until long after the war. Lots of the veterans died in the several years just following the conflict. As other respondents noted, remote location or pride may have prevented some from filing for benefits. I had been hoping for a pension file for my own ancestor, Samuel Osbun/Osborn/Osburn (spouse Sarah Holmes), as it has been very difficult finding anything on him. He is in the DAR's Patriot Index, but further study led me to the conclusion that, when application for membership was made based upon Samuel's service the DAR's requirements were rather lax, to put it kindly. It seems to come down to family legend, more or less, as to just in what capacity Samuel served. His name is hardly unique, which only complicates matters. Samuel died in 1832, but his wife Sarah lived another ten years. I do not know why she did not apply for benefits as a widow of a veteran. I am left to assume that her needs were met by immediate family members. I'm a bit embarrassed to admit that my Loyalist ancestors appear much better documented than my Patriot Samuel. Perhaps I should be grateful in just knowing his name and that of his wife. Best regards, Tom Osborn California

In a message dated 11/27/2001 8:42:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, Dickason31@aol.com writes: > Can some one help me understand why a soldier in the Rev. (or spouse) would > Just a guess, but in those days you couldn't jump in the car and go to the nearest place to file your application. Maybe you couldn' t read or write. You could have been in poor health, possibly war-related, with no family to take action for you. These are the reasons that come to my mind; others may have more. Anne

Does anyone have a connection with Andrew FARNSWORTH of New England? I have a book, FREE ENTERPRISE PATRIOT, by John Rickey, describing Andrew's contributions to the cause. Robert Bissell

Installation of the chain was supervised by a thirty-three-year-old artillery engineer Thomas Machin of Boston. He had "gone out with the Tea Party" in 1773 and, two years later, laid out overnight on Breed's (Bunker) Hill. Lieutenant Machin was a well-educated English immigrant with practical experience in civil engineering. In the spring of 1777, he had succeeded in stretching a light chained boom across the Hudson River near Bear Mountain. Within six months, that obstruction was outflanked and destroyed by British forces under Sir Henry Clinton. http://www.hudsonriver.com/halfmoonpress/stories/0298link.htm

GEN. WASHINGTON'S GUARD VA's Corp .Henry Sparks was one of Washington's personal Guards 3rd Corp. Henry Sparks (1753-1836) was Revolutionary War soldier from Virginia; served with Commander-in-Chief's Guard, "the flower and pick of American army." While with this bodyguard Sparks fought at the battles of Brandywine and Germantown. Discharged at Valley Forge in 1778. Came to Kentucky, 1795; settled in present Owen Co., 1800. Buried at Sparks Bottom. http://www.kentuckyconnect.com/kyprojects/markers/owen.shtml

OFFICERS AND ENLISTED MEN IN THE CULPEPER MINUTEMEN Many of their names stlll exist from petition records in the Virginia State Library. Their names are listed below. http://www.liming.org/nwta/culdischarge.html

It is a Rootsweb policy that virus warnings are unwelcome posts on their lists. It is also Rootsweb policy that no message be sent to more than 4 or 5 of their lists in the same message. There are very good reasons for both of these policies. If you have been on mailing lists long enough, you will recall when all the lists were on another server at Indiana University (Maiser). The lists were deluged with spam advertisinig copier toner (Hallmark, who denied involvement and who by the way still markets copier toner by spam to this day!). It essentially killed the mail server computer. After that, the lists were moved to Rootsweb. All of us tend to get the same virus about the same time. When we have the urge to post a warning about it, we have a tendency to post such to all the lists we are on, all in the same post. When all those multi-list posts hit the mail server computers all at the same time, you have the Hallmark/Maiser scenario all over again. If it is really important to you to send out such a warning/advice/whatever, you can essentially make your own personal list of email addresses to individuals (being sure not to include any mailing lists), put them all in the To:, Cc:, or Bcc: locations for the email you'll be sending. Most email programs will allow you to make such a listing in your address book with a single "name" (e.g., "everybody I know"). You will, in effect, be making your own mailing list but with the important difference that almost every addressee will be on a different mail server. You must be a bit careful in doing such, because your internet service provider may well prohibit such in their "terms of use" which you can find on their webpage. When a particularly virulent virus emerges (as is the case now), knowing all the above, I usually post an acknowledgement of the situation to the list (since list members are prohibited from doing so). This lets you know that you are not the only one getting emails with the virus. I always request that the matter not be discussed on the list. Someone (fortunately very few) always does anyway! In my warning messages, I always say that you may send such warnings/advice to me directly at jrshelby.com. I am list manager to several lists totalling over 1000 members and my email address gets sent to a large number of persons each day. As a result, I have far greater exposure to receiving infected mail than most list members. E.g., I received 4 infected emails responding to my previous "list manager comments". As a result, this means that I leave few stones unturned in terms of protection. It also means that if a new virus emerges, I usually know sooner than most. Goes with the turf. Rootsweb has done a very good job of seeing that viruses do not get sent via their lists (even if it *looks like* it came from a list, it does not). What EACH of us must do seems to remain the same: 1. Have current versions of anti-virus software. 2. Obtain the data updates to this software as soon as they are available (some automatic method recommended). 3. Perform full system a/v scans periodically 4. Never open attachments from strangers. Open those from friends only if you know what they contain. I'd suggest that you check out the options offered in your a/v software to be sure that you have everything "turned on" that needs to be turned on. If it slows your system down unacceptably, you can always go back and turn certain features off. I'd suggest that you also check out the options in your email software to be sure that everything is "turned off" that needs to be turned off. E.g., you should have "turned off" any feature to "preview" messages not yet read. If you have direct internet access (e.g., dsl or cable-modem) and use a firewall program such as ZoneAlarm, you should check to see that you have all desired protection features turned on. If you are using such high speed access and do not have such firewall software (or device), you are asking for trouble. If you receive an infected email and it *appears* to have anything to do with this mailing list, you may forward it to me (hopefully less the virus!). What I do in such cases is to remove the suspect sender from the list (if the address is a list member), tell the reason, and tell them they may resub any time they'd like but request that they verify that their pc has no virus before doing so. ...And as usual, please do not respond to this message on the list. You may respond to me directly at jrshelby.com. John Robertson

Can some one help me understand why a soldier in the Rev. (or spouse) would NOT have applied for or gotten either a pension or a land bounty warrant. Would there be some other post war compensation that they could have gotten in lieu of these? Thanx, Don Dickason Genealogy interest in: Dickason, Hamilton, Cadwallader, Himes, Garrett, Wisely, Steinberg, Blair, Lindsay, Zahn, Borchward(t), Biesterfeldt, Brand(t)

I was hoping someone else would pop in on this, but instead I'll stick my neck out & hope if I'm off base on anything I'll be corrected. I haven't spent much time studying militias per se, but from what I've read of letters etc of peripheral folks [mostly MA, NJ, & NY] there are lots of different answers to how militias were raised, supplied, manned & 'officered'. Time and place might narrow down the possibilities, but reading about the individual town, officers, and militia group is the only way to know what was done in any particular case. Diane Graham <meregra@cableone.net> wrote: -snip- >I wonder if you or any of the other list members can tell me, if it was >customary to join the militia of your "home" county (Northampton), even if >the soldier was actually residing in another county and had begun to make >home there? Or, would they have actually have had to be residing in >Northampton at that time? I've never noted a residency requirement. From what I've seen the militias were often nearly social clubs at the upper levels. The person who had the money and gumption to 'raise a regiment' got to be named Colonel & he picked his Majors and Captains. In at least one case [one of the Signers of the Declaration] the title 'Colonel' was strictly an honorable title. He hired a man with some military experience to run the Regiment. I *have* seen a couple cases where men had recently moved to a new town, and were asked to be Captains of Companies in their old home town. [and once bounties became the norm, Privates were as likely to enlist in one town as another, based on who was paying the best bounty] > >Also, would it have taken quite a bit of service to attain the rank of >Major, as it would today, or were the title of rank given more easily at >that time? If you were a community leader with some experience in running a business & managing a group of men you could be a Major with no previous military experience. Also note *when* he became Major. In Feb. of 1776, John Adams [who really *wanted* to be a soldier, but thankfully was too busy being Statesman] wrote to Abigail; "I suppose, if I could have made interest enough to have been chosen more than a lieutenant, I should march too, upon some such emergency; and possibly a contingency may happen when it will be proper for me to do it still, in rank and file. I will not fail to march, if it should. In the beginning of a war, in colonies like this and Virginia, where the martial spirit is but just awakened and the people are unaccustomed to arms, it may be proper and necessary for such popular orators as Henry and Dickinson to assume a military character. But I really think them both better statesmen than soldiers, though I cannot say they are not very good in the latter character. " > >Thanks for any more insights anyone may have about this. You're welcome. And I invite public corrections in case my impressions of the militias are incorrect, colored too much by my narrow focus on the elite, or only apply to certain areas/times. Jim

Hi, I have used the following book for PA: The Pennsylvania Line Regimental Organization and Operations, 1775-1783 by John B.B. Trussell ISBN 0-89271-053-5 Although this book concentrates on the organizations which were or became part of the Continental Army, he says in the Preface: "Although volunteer units, called "Associators," existed ...1775-1777, there was no militia organization until an act was passed on March 17, 1777, by the Assembly, and implemented by the Supreme Executive Council. Simply stated, that act provided for the enrollment of all able-bodied white males between the ages of eightenn and fifty-three. These were organized in local "training companies," and each was assigned to one of eight "classes." When militia services were needed, the member of one or more classes from specified counties were ordered into service for a maximum of two months. Although the militia of a given county might be called up more than once, the second call would not apply to a class which had already served until an entire cycle of all eight classes had been completed. The system had the advantages of equalizing the obligation of military service and of avoiding the depopulation of any particular area of military-age men. It had the disadvantage, however, of insuring that men called for militia duty not only had no experience from previous call-ups but also, as they came from the same class but from different localities, had never trained or worked together before.(8)" Footnote (8) See 'The Military System of Pennsylvania During the Revolutionary War' (Pennsylvania Historical and Museum Commission Information Leaflet No. 3). [end] Diane Graham <meregra@cableone.net> wrote: >Thanks for any more insights anyone may have about this. Although most of the above has been mentioned before, the last sentence and footnote reference may be of interest. Jan

I don't know if this is true or not, but it was suggested to me, I did it, and so far I have had no problems with any virus. The virus spreads through your address book. I was told to stop this do the following: Enter this in your address book: Under nickname enter A Worm Under first name enter !000 (This is an exclamation point and 3 0's Under address enter wormalert I am told this will stop the worm from getting into your address book and spreading a virus. I may not know what I am talking about but I did it and so far so good. Faye

Who was the James Langley who served in the NC Militia during the American Revolution and is buried near Stroud AL.? Where did he come from? Who were his parents, wife, children, siblings? Thanks for your help. Phyllis Porter

Well hello dear Phyllis, I just happen to have a book titled: A ROSTER OF REVOLUTIONARY SOLDIERS AND PATRIOTS IN ALABAMA, done by the Alabama Society Daughters of the American Revolution in 1979. You are in luck Here is the information on James LANGLEY: Born March 23, 1762, Hampton, Elizabeth city County, Virginia and died in 1868 in Chambers county at age 108. Note: descendant states death was 1868; official records state date was 1870. Buried: Mt. Pisgah Primitive Baptist church Cemetery. A government marker has been placed by Tohopeka chapter, DAR. Service: Pvt. continental Line under Col. Armstrong, Col. Garland, General Washington, General Lafayette, Maj. Walton, General Martin, Maj Andrew and Col. Sevier. He was living in NC at time he enlisted. Pension: Allowed pension on application executed January 14, 1833, Troup Co. GA. Pension S 31 813. Inscribed on Rolls of GA to commence March 4, 1831. Aged 80, resided in Chambers County, AL in 1840. (Census of Pensioners) Residences: Elizabeth city Co. Virginia. About 1780, he was in Orange County, NC, moved to High Hills of Santee; Augusta, Chatham County, GA; Baldwin County, GA; Estantan, Putnam County, GA; Pike County, GA (1827); Group Co. GA (1832-33) C! hambers Co. AL. Family: Married Elizabeth BANDY November 11, 1806, Baldwin County, GA. Veteran was married more than once. Children: 1. Eliza, born 1810, died 1856 in Randolph county, AL, married Richard Bassett, Jr. January 11, 1827 in Pike county, GA. He was born 1800 in Georgia and died during the War between the States. Eliza and Richard had: Thomas Jefferson Bassett who served in War between the states, he was born May 10, 1834 in Georgia and died May 11, 1906 in LaGrange, GA. He married Jane Freeman Bassett (first cousin) March 29, 1866. She died May 7, 1926 in LaGrange, Troup county, GA. Thomas and Jane had: Anna Joicey Bassett, born November 18, 1880 in Randolph County, AL. She died March 27, 1961, Shawmut, Chambers County, AL. Anna married William Leonard Underwood, November 3, 1901. William was born May 30, 1881 in Woodbury, Georgia and died January 6, 1967 in Shawmut, Alabama. Anna and William had: Lodie Mae Underwood McClendon, born June 13, 191! 3 and Lodie Mae married John Wise McClendon, December 29, 1934 in Opelika, AL (Lee County. He was born December 22, 1911 and died October 5, 1977. Ref: Gandrud Alabama Records, Volume 222, pages 70-72; Marriage Record Book, Baldwin County, Georgia, page 372; Information submitted by Mrs. John wise McClendon, Regent, Tohopeka chapter, DAR; Alabama archives and History, 1911 list of Revolutionary Soldiers. page 70. Warmest DAR love, Margaret Grove Driskill, Regent Twickenham Town Chapter, NSDAR Huntsville, Alabama

I just recieved this one from .......... From: "Margaret Driskill" <_mdriskill@worldnet.att.net> To: meregra@cableone.net Subject: Re: [A-REV] Northampton Militia MIME-Version: 1.0Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:26:37 +0000 Content-Type: audio/x-wav; name="PICS.DOC.scr" Content-ID: <EA4DMGBP9p> Diane in Iowa, USA mailto:meregra@cableone.net icq# 8679306

I remember someone on the list ask about the French Army in the American Revolution. I found something interesting with a twist! Rhonda Houston http://www.local.ie/general/genealogy/irish_roots_material/ http://www.local.ie/content/28202.shtml IRISH BRIGADE OFFICERS OF THE FRENCH ARMY IN THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION by Chevalier William F. Marmion, M.A. Records pertaining to the participation of Irish ‘Wild Geese’ Officers in Battles of the American Revolution are sparse; but herein is presented a list of a few such men who certainly fought for American freedom while serving their king. Military records of the US government only relate to men who actually joined the Continental Army or one of the State militia organisations, etc. Those records include the service files of many of foreign birth. Many Irishmen — such as General John Sullivan of the Army and Captain John Barry of the Navy — fall into the this category. But allies of the Americans, the most important being the French, are not catalogued in US records. Because of this, the contribution of Irish Wild Geese serving in various Irish Brigades of the French Army has been relatively unstudied. Not a lot of information exists anyway due to the destruction of many French military records during their own revolution! Prominent Americans studying their own revolution came to realise that the services of their foreign allies were unrecounted and often not even available in the archives of the particular country. Some attempts were made to determine what was available. In 1849, Richard Rush, US Minister to France, turned to a French military researcher/historian, Monsieur Pierre Margry and indeed M. Margry searched the records available and responded comprehensively to Mr Rush. His letter and the list of French officers he found is contained as an appendix to the famous work of the distinguished US historian Francis B. Heitman, entitled Historical Register of Officers of the Continental Army During the War of the Revolution April 1775 to December 1783, and published in 1914. Our own Irish great historian of the Irish Brigades Mr John Cornelius O’Callaghan, in his 1870 work History of the Irish Brigades in the Service of France, does not treat extensively of the officers or men who participated in the American Revolution — though there are bits and pieces of the services performed by Wild Geese which can thus be added to Heitman’s book. Thus, unfortunately, we are rather dealing with the raking of the ashes, as Monsieur Margry says in his 1849 report: ‘It was in vain…that I searched for the muster rolls at the Ministre de la Marine…or in the Archives de la Guerre…[so] I cannot say that [his list] is complete, for I could not conclude from the muster rolls themselves therefore that all the officers belonging to the corps had been present in America. The regiments not having sent very often more than a detachment, and the detachments sometimes having served only on shipboard, I could not designate an officer as having served in the American War unless the facts had been indicated in some note concerning that time, and so I was obliged to confine myself to inscribing the names of the officers whom I could positively ascertain to have been engaged in the war.’ Therefore we can be sure of those listed by M. Margry, but also we can be sure that others have been missed. The contribution of the Irish Brigades began when the French sent the Regiment of Dillon, 1400 strong, from Brest to the West Indies in order to join the squadron of the Admiral Comte d’Estaing. This was on 5 April 1779, and soon after the Regiment of Walsh was also sent to the West Indies. Dillon’s Regiment met d’Estaing at Martinique and went on to capture Granada. But in the fall of 1779 d’Estaing took part of his squadron to the southern states of America, with a view to capturing Savannah, Georgia, in conjunction with American troops. There were 6,000 soldiers in total, organised into three columns. One of the columns was Irish Brigade, Dillon’s Regiment soldiers, led by Colonel (later General) Count Arthur Dillon. The other two columns were led by Baron deSteding and Colonel the Viscomte deNoailles. In the final attack on the English positions, 9 October 1779, one-fifth of all the troops the French and Americans committed were killed or wounded. Sixty-three grenadiers of Dillon’s Regiment were killed, plus the officers who will be outlined below. The British suffered only 155 casualties, thus the Battle of Savannah was a bloody defeat for the allies. After Savannah, the Regiment of Dillon (and that of Walsh and that of Berwick which arrived only in late 1782) fought exclusively in the West Indies, indeed playing a most satisfactory and major role in wresting various islands from the British. American fortunes looked low from 1779 to 1781 but then dramatically turned and forced the Battle of Yorktown in September of 1781, in which the British were decisively defeated and which led American independence. At Yorktown there were more French regulars than American regulars. The numbers were 7,800 French versus 5,545 Continental regulars and 3,000 militia. There were undoubtedly officers of the Irish Brigade attached to some of these regiments, or in deGrasse’s French fleet blockading the harbour (Walsh’s Regiment in particular provided many soldiers to serve as shipboard marines). The list which follows gives the names of Irish Brigade officers of the French Army who served on American soil. LIST OF IRISH BRIGADE OFFICERS Barry, D’Imbart, Captain. Wounded (gunshot, left arm) in the attack on Savannah. Dillon, Colonel Count Arthur (later General), Colonel-proprietor of the Regiment of Dillon, born England 1750. Corps Commander in the Battle of Savannah, October 1779, and served from April 1779 and after Savannah as Regimental Commander in the West Indies. Became Governor of the island of St Christopher. Continued in the Irish Brigade. Guillotined April 1794 in Paris, for loyalty to the king. Dillon, Barthelemy, Lieutenant Colonel, born 1729 in Ireland. Married to the widow of the Marquis de Montlezun. Launey, Jean Baptiste Réné Clément, Captain. Launey, Chevalier, Colonel of Engineers. Lynch, Isidore, Captain of Dillon’s Regiment. Served in the West Indies and fought at Savannah. MacDonnell, Captain, commanded a picket of 60 volunteers in the Battle of Savannah. Of Dillon’s Regiment. Mullens, Lieutenant, of the Regiment of Berwick, Irish Brigade. Took part in seven engagements in America. O’Dunne, Count de. Took part in all engagements in the campaign. O’Farrell, Lieutenant. Four years in the Regiment of Lally (Irish Brigade) in India. Re-entered in the Dillon Regiment. Wounded in the leg at Savannah. O’Moran, James, Major. Born at Elphin, Ireland, 1729. O’Neil, Captain Commandant. 29 years of service (5th generation of his ancestry who had the honour to serve the King of France in the Regiment (Dillon) since the passage of Irishmen into France. Gunshot wound in the chest at Savannah. Shee (O’Shea), Jacques, Captain. Born Ireland 1735. Taaffe, Georges, Lieutenant. Born Ireland 1757, killed at Savannah. Additionally, there is mention of a Major Browne, of Dillon’s Regiment who was killed at Savannah October 1779 and of a Colonel Browne, Aide-de-Camp to Admiral d’Estaing, an Irish Brigade officer, who was also killed at Savannah. A bad day for the Brownes. And finally, there was also a Lieutenant Colonel LYNCH, of Walsh’s Regiment, who distinguished himself at Savannah while serving as an aide to the Count deSegur. This article is reproduced with the kind permission of Irish Roots Magazine in which it was first published in Issue 3, 1998. Return to Emigration Studies Published by: Belgrave Publications Year written: 1998 Copyright owned by: Belgrave Publications http://www.iol.ie/~irishrts/ Irish Roots Magazine HomePage Subscribing to 'Irish Roots' magazine 'Irish Roots' is available on subscription and can be sent to any part of the world. Subscriptions may be ordered by: mail (Irish Roots, Belgrave Publications, Belgrave Avenue, Cork, Ireland) e-mail (irishrts@iol.ie) phone (+21 4500067) fax (+21 4500067)

I have seen heavy email virus activity during today and yesterday. All I have received have been the same: W32.BadTrans.B@mm. Symantec shows this to have been discovered on 24 Nov 2001. They provided a new data update on the same day. If you have not updated your a/v software in the last 2 days, you probably should check for available updates. They show it being widely distributed, but easy to detect and remove if your a/v software is up-to-date. W32.Badtrans.B@mm is a MAPI worm that emails itself out as one of several different file names. This worm also drops a backdoor trojan that logs keystrokes. The advice of what to do about it remains unchanged. The purpose of this notice is to remind you of what you should *already* be doing. 1. Have anti-virus software installed. 2. Obtain a data update for it at least weekly (automatic update or notification service is recommended). 3. Scan your computer for viruses periodically. I usually do so every week or so, but with this kind of activity, I do it every night. 4. Never open attachments from people you don't know, and open them from those you know only if you know what they are. Please do NOT post a response to this message on the list. You may send such to jr@jrshelby.com if you'd like. John Robertson

List, Does anyone know the location of the Vermont militia activity listed in the service below? Or would anyone know how I might go about finding out the location of the activity (such as "Defense of Frontiers in Alarms...")? I think the men in the companies mentioned below came from Rupert, VT. Arestus MUNSON 1779 APR 12 - JUN 21 Capt Tehan Noble's Co. of Militia Erastus MUNSEL 1780 APR 24 - JUN 18 Capt. Tehan Noble's Co of Militia, Col. Warren's Rgt in defense of the Northern Frontiers Erastus MONSEL 1781 sometime between JAN 12 and MAY Capt. Underhill's Co, Col. Ira Allen's Rgt. Defense of Frontiers in Alarms commencing the 12th Erastus MUNSON 1781 beginning of campaign to 30th of JUN (sometime in that range) Capt. James Blakeslee's Co. Erastus MUNSON 1781 JUL 1 - NOV 25 Capt. James Blakeslee's Co. in Col. Fletcher's Bat. and Gen. Enos' Brig. Erastus MONSEL 1782 (no date) Capt. John Gray's Co. of Foot, Col. Ira Allen's Rgt. I am researching this ancestor and have compiled these service records from the Goodrich book of Vermont Revolutionary muster rolls and the Fisher and Fisher book. I believe Erastus MUNSON and Erastus MUNSEL are the same individual (I am researching Erastus MUNSEL). I have checked the URL of the Revolutionary War battle list, and I don't see anything there that might correspond to the above, so these militia soldiers must have been involved in activity other than "battle" (am guessing here, as I am not a Rev War scholar...). Thanks in advance for any help! Cordah Robinson Bloomington, IN