There's another interpretation that might be placed on you"facts"...if , indeed, they are true...about any height requirements. I haven't seen them...but I haven't seen everything. George Washington was a very tall man ...at least 6'2"....perhaps 6'4" He did not have to worry about his stature (good Viking blood). He did have to be concerned that his men could see him and any directions he might give via hand gestures. Washington often lead from the front and seemed to consider it imperative that his troops could see him. Of course, that visbility also made him a better target for the enemy as well. Please differentiate between fact and supposition when posting...if you can cite your source, I would like to know what it was. Thank you, ~malinda Jan Heiling wrote: > Hi Janice, > > I also did some searches ... there are quite a few that will pop up and > I thought this first one was of general interest. > Jan > ------------ > Several published accounts indicate that these Oberlin brothers were all > over six feet tall > and served as bodyguards to General Washington. Analysis of the > Pennsylvania Archives > and war records do not support this assertion. These records are > historically accurate, and > also all the General's guards were, by directive, not over five feet ten > inches tall. George > didn't want to appear smaller than his men. It's also well documented > that General > Washington thought militiamen to be undisciplined, and although > excellent fighters, not > necessarily good soldiers. The Oberlins were possibly assigned to his > service when he was > in Lancaster, as part of their militia duties. Captain Henry Schaeffer > (Schaefferstown) was > reputed as "close" to George Washington. It may have been through Henry > that the > Oberlins were connected to the general. > http://members.iquest.net/~sdo/history.htm > > The assembly of the various American and British re-enactment units is > being > coordinated by Capt. Sal Tarrantino of Farmington, > leader of the Second > Connecticut Regiment of Light Dragoons, which remains > in commission and at the > service of the governor of the state. The Regiment was > raised in the Windsor and > Farmington Valley area and included many Windsor men. > They served as Gen. > Washington's personal bodyguards and were with him > through most of the War, > including the Surrender at Yorktown. Because of the > Windsor connection, Capt. > Tarrantino has for some time wanted to produce a > re-enactment in town. His unit > will be joined by many other area re-enactment > companies, all portraying their > members in meticulous historic detail. > http://www.ctssar.org/branches/wolcott.htm > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

In the beginning, a few men were taken from each of many units, so all units would be honored. That strategy had to be changed...and a second set of hand picked Guards ( all of whom were from Virginia) replaced the old ones. ~malinda John Philip Adams wrote: > Wouldn't the unit to which these two belong be a start to determining the Pres. > Guard unit? Johann and Garret's unit would be my first choice to see if there > are more Pres. Guards. > John Philip Adams > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Farns10th@aol.com> > To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 08:23 AM > Subject: [A-REV] Two more Bodyguards to Washington just found > > OR... > A SWORD IN THE DARK > This tale begins with the fall of Fort Duquense, and the capture of > Captain Johann Snedeker and his son, Garret by the perfidious British. > Johann and Garret had been bodyguards to George Washington (sort of the first > Secret Service), and when the Fort surrendered, all its inhabitants became > prisoners. > > http://home.earthlink.net/~waltsned/famstory.html > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237

Terrific! Thanks so much for the pallbearer's names! Janice

The Second Connecticut Regiment of Light Dragoons, which remains in commission and at the service of the governor of the state. The Regiment was raised in the Windsor and Farmington Valley area and included many Windsor men. They served as Gen. Washington's personal bodyguards and were with him through most of the War, including the Surrender at Yorktown. http://www.ctssar.org/branches/wolcott.htm

The cemetery at Three Forks Baptist Church in Hammondsville, Hart County, Kentucky is the final resting place of Sergeant Joseph Timberlake, one of George Washington's bodyguards. Timberlake, born in Virginia, settled in Kentucky after the Revolution and died here in 1841. http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyhender/Henderson/DAR/may.html

I was under the impression that the elite handpicked Guards were not the first set (who almost allowed Washington to be assassinated) but the second set...all of whom were Virginians. Am I in error ? ~malinda Farns10th@aol.com wrote: > OR... > A SWORD IN THE DARK > This tale begins with the fall of Fort Duquense, and the capture of > Captain Johann Snedeker and his son, Garret by the perfidious British. > Johann and Garret had been bodyguards to George Washington (sort of the first > Secret Service), and when the Fort surrendered, all its inhabitants became > prisoners. > > http://home.earthlink.net/~waltsned/famstory.html > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237

I have been trying to find the militia unit records for the town of Newcastle, Lincoln Co., Maine for both the F&I War and the Rev. War. If there wasn't a town militia, where would they have served? My ancestor Hugh HOLMES was married ca 1760 and should have been in a militia unit during the F&I War and was a 1st Lt. during the Rev. War--I have found his Continental Army records. thanks, Charles

----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Cook" <jcook11@sc.rr.com> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 6:05 AM Thank you, John, for your help. The American-Revolution List has been extremely helpful. I appreciate it. Joan Cook jcook11@sc.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Merz" <hessian@cgocable.net> To: "Joan Cook" <jcook11@sc.rr.com>; <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 6:10 PM Subject: Re: Military cemetery in New York State > Dear Joan, > I am not too familiar with military cemeteries 'anywhere', > so I am going to forward your question to the people who know. > But thanks for thinking of me, sorry not being able to be > more helpful. > John Merz www.cgo.wave.ca/~hessian > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joan Cook" <jcook11@sc.rr.com> > To: <hessian@cgocable.net> > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:14 PM > Subject: Military cemetery in New York State > > > There is mention in a family history book written by Con J. Fecher, > Ph.D. "Ancestral Portraits of 19th Century Americans," University of > Dayton Press, 1978, page 68-69 as follows: > > "It appears that a brother of Arnold [Lennartz] had migrated to > America in Mid-18th Century, fought in the American War of > Independence and was buried in a military cemetery in New York State. > A marker, inscribed with the name Lennartz and year of internment are > striking testimony of its possible credence." > > Do you have any information on where I might locate the referenced > military cemetery? I would love to locate the marker. > > Thank you very much, > Joan Cook > S.Carolina > > > >

Has anyone seen a list of the pallbearers for George Washington? Were any his personal bodyguards? thanks, Charles

Good suggestion....Janice

Great ! I shall add that to my growing file! Thanks ! Janice

OR... A SWORD IN THE DARK This tale begins with the fall of Fort Duquense, and the capture of Captain Johann Snedeker and his son, Garret by the perfidious British. Johann and Garret had been bodyguards to George Washington (sort of the first Secret Service), and when the Fort surrendered, all its inhabitants became prisoners. http://home.earthlink.net/~waltsned/famstory.html

Wouldn't the unit to which these two belong be a start to determining the Pres. Guard unit? Johann and Garret's unit would be my first choice to see if there are more Pres. Guards. John Philip Adams ----- Original Message ----- From: <Farns10th@aol.com> To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 08:23 AM Subject: [A-REV] Two more Bodyguards to Washington just found OR... A SWORD IN THE DARK This tale begins with the fall of Fort Duquense, and the capture of Captain Johann Snedeker and his son, Garret by the perfidious British. Johann and Garret had been bodyguards to George Washington (sort of the first Secret Service), and when the Fort surrendered, all its inhabitants became prisoners. http://home.earthlink.net/~waltsned/famstory.html ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237

Hi Charles, I have the book: Washington, An abridgment by Richard Harwell, 1968, of the seven-volume George Washington by Douglas Southall Freeman, 1948. Lib Congress Cat No. 68-17342 I can quote the following: The General's horse, accoutered with his saddle, holsters and pistols, was led by the two postilions, Cyrus and Wilson. Col. Tomas Blackburn walne just ahead of the bier, wh was borne by four lieutenants of the Virginia militia. The six honorary pallbearers marcd alongside, three to the left, three to the right. They were Cols. Charles Little, Charles Sims, William Payne, George Gilpin, Dennis Ramsay and Philip Marsteller. [end] Jan PS There were no mens names associated with the topic of bodyguards. Only text on his views and orders for training. Perhaps the seven-volume set would contain some names. charles s brack jr wrote: > Has anyone seen a list of the pallbearers for George Washington? Were any > his personal bodyguards? > > thanks, Charles > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237

Hi Janice, I also did some searches ... there are quite a few that will pop up and I thought this first one was of general interest. Jan ------------ Several published accounts indicate that these Oberlin brothers were all over six feet tall and served as bodyguards to General Washington. Analysis of the Pennsylvania Archives and war records do not support this assertion. These records are historically accurate, and also all the General's guards were, by directive, not over five feet ten inches tall. George didn't want to appear smaller than his men. It's also well documented that General Washington thought militiamen to be undisciplined, and although excellent fighters, not necessarily good soldiers. The Oberlins were possibly assigned to his service when he was in Lancaster, as part of their militia duties. Captain Henry Schaeffer (Schaefferstown) was reputed as "close" to George Washington. It may have been through Henry that the Oberlins were connected to the general. http://members.iquest.net/~sdo/history.htm The assembly of the various American and British re-enactment units is being coordinated by Capt. Sal Tarrantino of Farmington, leader of the Second Connecticut Regiment of Light Dragoons, which remains in commission and at the service of the governor of the state. The Regiment was raised in the Windsor and Farmington Valley area and included many Windsor men. They served as Gen. Washington's personal bodyguards and were with him through most of the War, including the Surrender at Yorktown. Because of the Windsor connection, Capt. Tarrantino has for some time wanted to produce a re-enactment in town. His unit will be joined by many other area re-enactment companies, all portraying their members in meticulous historic detail. http://www.ctssar.org/branches/wolcott.htm

there is a Military hospital and cemetery in Troy NY when it came into being I don,t know Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "malinda" <mthiesse@swbell.net> To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [A-REV] Re: Military cemetery in New York State > Wouldn't either the US govt or the State of NY have records of > a military cemetery ? Presumably, they would still be caretakers > of it ...either through the US Park service or the NY state equivalent. > > ~malinda > > John Merz wrote: > > > Dear Joan, > > I am not too familiar with military cemeteries 'anywhere', > > so I am going to forward your question to the people who know. > > But thanks for thinking of me, sorry not being able to be > > more helpful. > > John Merz www.cgo.wave.ca/~hessian > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joan Cook" <jcook11@sc.rr.com> > > To: <hessian@cgocable.net> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:14 PM > > Subject: Military cemetery in New York State > > > > There is mention in a family history book written by Con J. Fecher, > > Ph.D. "Ancestral Portraits of 19th Century Americans," University of > > Dayton Press, 1978, page 68-69 as follows: > > > > "It appears that a brother of Arnold [Lennartz] had migrated to > > America in Mid-18th Century, fought in the American War of > > Independence and was buried in a military cemetery in New York State. > > A marker, inscribed with the name Lennartz and year of internment are > > striking testimony of its possible credence." > > > > Do you have any information on where I might locate the referenced > > military cemetery? I would love to locate the marker. > > > > Thank you very much, > > Joan Cook > > S.Carolina > > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > >

Here's a website of the library within the city of Troy, NY to which your question concerning the military hospital/cemetery can be addressed. There is also a listing of libraries within this url and at the bottom of the url the webmaster's email address to which you can use to get information. I lived in the Saratoga County area for 10 years and I know that there is some historical areas you should investigate. Watervliet, NY is another area. Saratoga Springs, NY, where the British were defeated is within the same area. From these libraries (within the second url) you can gain information as to where these cemeteries are located or where the nearest genealogical or historical society is located (which are usually very near a library) that will assist you. Rhonda Houston http://www.uhls.org/troy/ http://www.uhls.org/uhlshtml/ This is a listing of all the libraries that are within that area of NY the places are mentioned above. -----Original Message----- From: Ann Keegan [mailto:akeegan@c3net.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 8:41 PM To: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [A-REV] Re: Military cemetery in New York State there is a Military hospital and cemetery in Troy NY when it came into being I don,t know Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "malinda" <mthiesse@swbell.net> To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [A-REV] Re: Military cemetery in New York State > Wouldn't either the US govt or the State of NY have records of > a military cemetery ? Presumably, they would still be caretakers > of it ...either through the US Park service or the NY state equivalent. > > ~malinda > > John Merz wrote: > > > Dear Joan, > > I am not too familiar with military cemeteries 'anywhere', > > so I am going to forward your question to the people who know. > > But thanks for thinking of me, sorry not being able to be > > more helpful. > > John Merz www.cgo.wave.ca/~hessian > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joan Cook" <jcook11@sc.rr.com> > > To: <hessian@cgocable.net> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:14 PM > > Subject: Military cemetery in New York State > > > > There is mention in a family history book written by Con J. Fecher, > > Ph.D. "Ancestral Portraits of 19th Century Americans," University of > > Dayton Press, 1978, page 68-69 as follows: > > > > "It appears that a brother of Arnold [Lennartz] had migrated to > > America in Mid-18th Century, fought in the American War of > > Independence and was buried in a military cemetery in New York State. > > A marker, inscribed with the name Lennartz and year of internment are > > striking testimony of its possible credence." > > > > Do you have any information on where I might locate the referenced > > military cemetery? I would love to locate the marker. > > > > Thank you very much, > > Joan Cook > > S.Carolina > > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237

Wouldn't either the US govt or the State of NY have records of a military cemetery ? Presumably, they would still be caretakers of it ...either through the US Park service or the NY state equivalent. ~malinda John Merz wrote: > Dear Joan, > I am not too familiar with military cemeteries 'anywhere', > so I am going to forward your question to the people who know. > But thanks for thinking of me, sorry not being able to be > more helpful. > John Merz www.cgo.wave.ca/~hessian > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joan Cook" <jcook11@sc.rr.com> > To: <hessian@cgocable.net> > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:14 PM > Subject: Military cemetery in New York State > > There is mention in a family history book written by Con J. Fecher, > Ph.D. "Ancestral Portraits of 19th Century Americans," University of > Dayton Press, 1978, page 68-69 as follows: > > "It appears that a brother of Arnold [Lennartz] had migrated to > America in Mid-18th Century, fought in the American War of > Independence and was buried in a military cemetery in New York State. > A marker, inscribed with the name Lennartz and year of internment are > striking testimony of its possible credence." > > Do you have any information on where I might locate the referenced > military cemetery? I would love to locate the marker. > > Thank you very much, > Joan Cook > S.Carolina > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237

Dear Joan, I am not too familiar with military cemeteries 'anywhere', so I am going to forward your question to the people who know. But thanks for thinking of me, sorry not being able to be more helpful. John Merz www.cgo.wave.ca/~hessian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Cook" <jcook11@sc.rr.com> To: <hessian@cgocable.net> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:14 PM Subject: Military cemetery in New York State There is mention in a family history book written by Con J. Fecher, Ph.D. "Ancestral Portraits of 19th Century Americans," University of Dayton Press, 1978, page 68-69 as follows: "It appears that a brother of Arnold [Lennartz] had migrated to America in Mid-18th Century, fought in the American War of Independence and was buried in a military cemetery in New York State. A marker, inscribed with the name Lennartz and year of internment are striking testimony of its possible credence." Do you have any information on where I might locate the referenced military cemetery? I would love to locate the marker. Thank you very much, Joan Cook S.Carolina

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