Can anyone tell me what a "waterman" in Philadelphia was? My great great great great grandfather was one, according to an 1850 census and I noticed it mentioned in the recent Am Rev.-D VO2 #31 Thanks Dawn

Sorry for the duplication, I forgot to include a "subject" in the first posting. Family story tells us that one of three Dickason sons who served in the Revolution was killed with "Montgomery's Expedition to Canada." Where can I find records to prove/disprove this story? Thank you ================================ ================================ Don Dickason Searching for family names: Dickason, Hamilton, Cadwal(l)ader, Wisely, Steinberg, Borchward(t), Biesterfeld(t), Blair

Family story tells us that one of three Dickason sons who served in the Revolution was killed with "Montgomery's Expedition to Canada." Where can I find records to prove/disprove this story? Thank you ================================ Don Dickason Searching for family names: Dickason, Hamilton, Cadwal(l)ader, Wisely, Steinberg, Borchward(t), Biesterfeld(t), Blair

I am trying to locate a source of information on the Culpeper County Classes which was a Virginia Militia group that served during the American Revolution. In particular, I am looking for the service record of Henry Back of Culpeper County who served with the Culpeper County Classes in 1781. He was muster roll number 95. Any help on finding information would be greatly appreciated. Kevin J. Stanley itsallhistory@juno.com

http://www.ecsu.ctstateu.edu/depts/ctstudies/ The Center for Connecticut Studies was established by David M. Roth in 1970 at Eastern Connecticut State University. The original focus of the Center was on developing and providing curriculum materials and resource information for use in teaching about the state's history and culture. The Center now collects both primary and secondary materials on all aspects of the Connecticut's history and development with a particular focus on Windham, Tolland, and New London counties. Materials include town histories and reports, old newspapers, journals, military rolls, Federal Census of the Population on microfilm, some New England materials, and genealogical materials. . In 1989, the Center accepted Windham and Willimantic town records. The records cover the eighteenth, nineteenth, and twentieth centuries and include town reports, tax lists, town minutes and reports, town clerk's correspondence, voting records and lists, education records, and almshouse ledgers. The papers include WPA correspondence and other Depression related materials. Military documents relate to Willimantic's participation in both World War I and II, as well as the Civil War and the Spanish-American conflict. CENSUS MATERIALS (Books, CDs and Microfilm) Federal Population Census for Connecticut, 1790-1920. Microfilm 1900 Census Soundex on microfilm for Connecticut. 1910 Census Index for Connecticut on CD. NEW Acquisition! Federal Population Census for Rhode Island and Massachusetts: 1850-1880's. Federal Population Census Indexes for Connecticut: 1880-1830, 1850, 1860. NEW Heads of Families Census 1790: New England, New York, Virginia and others. Connecticut 1670 Census. [Book.] Census of the Inhabitants of the Colony of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, 1774. [Book] [Census Index for Connecticut: 1840, 1870, 1880. [Coming Soon.] [Census Index for Massachusetts: 1850, 1870. [Coming Soon.] CITY DIRECTORIES 1902-1935 (Microfilm) Ansonia, Bristol, Middletown, Hartford, New London, New Haven, Norwich, Stamford, Willimantic. (Some years not published.) SELECTED LIST OF MANUSCRIPTS Albert Levitt Collection Almanacs, starting with 1790s. - Allen's New England, Circa 1830s--1890s. - Astronomical Diary, Kalendar Almanac - Old Farmers Almanac - Shakespearean Annual Connecticut Town Reports David E. Philips Connecticut Folklore Collection Nineteenth Century Textbook Collection, From Agriculture to Zoology - Some examples: The Late War, 1819; The Refugee pr the Narratives of Fugitive Slaves in Canada, 1856; First Lessons in Grammer, 1848; Games to Teach Correct English to Little Ones, 1920; Children of the Sun, 1869 Slides, Photographs, and Maps of Connecticut Windham and Willimantic Town Records - Board of Selectman Correspondence Circa. 1819-1888 - Tax Lists: 1884, 11186, 1888-1909, 1922-1931. - Willimantic Women's Club Collection Works Progress Administration (WPA), 1936-1941. MICROFILM Amistad Case Connecticut Regimental Histories of the Civil War (Records of Service Men) Connecticut Revolutionary War Orderly Books Missionary Society of Connecticut Records, 1759-1948 Nathaniel Shaw Family Papers, 1755-1799 The Worker and Technological Change, 1930-80 Salem Witchcraft OLD NEWSPAPERS ON MICROFILM Advertiser, 1818-1819 American Mercury (Hartford), 1784-1820 Bridgeport Daily Standard, 1861-1866 Connecticut Courant, 1764-1820; 1821-1837 Connecticut Mirror (Hartford), 1809-32 Courier (Norwich), 1798-1809 Hartford Courant, 1837-1974; 1987- 94 Liberator, 1831-1865 Middlesex Gazette (Middletown), 1785-1820 Morning News (New London), 1844-1848 Native American, 1812-1813 New London Day, 1881-1945 (more reels to be added) New-London Summary, 1758-63 Norwich Bulletin, 1900-1930 (more reels to be added) Norwich Packet, 1773-1802 Political Visitant, 1820 Register (Windham), 1817-1818 The Times (Hartford), 1817-1819 Willimantic Daily Chronicle: 1891-1950; 1957-1965; 1972-90 Windham County Transcript, 1854-1943 Windham Herald, 1781-1798 SELECTED MAPS Historical Maps Atlas of Windham and Tolland Counties, with a Map of Connecticut from Actual Surveys by O.W. Gray, C.E., Danielsonville, Conn. 1869. Cornell, Sarah S. Cornell's Companion Atlas to Cornell's School Geography. New York: D. Appleton and Company, 1866. [Cover: The Atlantic Almanac, 1868] Diercke, Carl and E. Gaebler. Diercke Schul-Atlas for Nonere Lehrastalten. Braunschweig: Westermann, 1906. Town and City Atlas of the State of Connecticut. Compiled from Government Surveys, County Records and Personal Investigations. 1893. Quadrangle Topographic: many town throughout Connecticut and New England The Story of One Corner of Connecticut in 16 Maps. Reproductions. http://www.easternct.edu/depts/ctstudies/Collection.html The Center collects primary and secondary source materials documenting current and historical issues. Read and rejoyce! Investigate!! DR. BARBARA TUCKER, DIRECTOR (Tuckerb@easternCT.edu) MAIL: CENTER FOR CONNECTICUT STUDIES Eastern Connecticut State University J. Eugene Smith Library 83 Windham Street Willimantic, CT 06226 PHONE: (860) 465-4512 (877) 353-3278 EXT. 54412 (877) 587-8693 LIBRARY Rhonda Houston

This is a list of those determined Loyalists by the Supreme Executive Council of Pa.as appeared in the Pennsylvania Packet, (a newspaper) Oct. 31, 1778. Feel free to post this on any appropriate website. Jim October 31, 1778 The Pennsylvania Packet A PROCLAMATION. By the SUPREME EXECUTIVE COUNCIL of the Common Wealth of PENNSYLVANIA. WHEREAS the following named persons, late and heretofore inhabitants of this State, that is to say, --- William Ross, cordwainer in Walnut street; Robert White, merchant and mariner; Richard Palmer, cabinetmaker; William Marshall, pilot; John Burd, butcher; John Colston, stocking weaver; William Evans and John Evans, carpenters; Alexander Smith, blacksmith; James Warrel, brewer; David Jones, tavern keeper and constable; Hudson Burr, hatter; John Burkett, waterman; William Drewitt Smith, druggist; and Alexander Stedman, Esquire; all now or late of the city of Philadelphia: And Thomas Green and Thomas Silkod, yeomen: both now or late of the township of Hatfield; and Joseph Loughborough, blacksmith; Joseph Comely, yeoman; and John Burke, taylor; all now or late of the Manor of Moreland, all now or late of the county of Philadelphia: And Uriah Hughes, junior, yeoman; now or late of the township of Buckingham; and David Burge, blacksmith; and Courtland Todd, miller; both now or late of the township of Solebury; and Joseph Kennard, labourer, now or late of the township of Plumstead; and Isaac Hutchinson, Thomas Hutchinson, and Marmaduke Hutchinson, yeoman, all now or late of the township of New Britain: And Edward Jones, and Jonathan Jones, yeoman; and Enoch Morris, wheelwright; all now or late of the township of Hilltown; And John Dennis, joiner, now or late of the township of Richland; and Peter Perlie, yeoman, now or late of the township of Bensalem; and Jonathan Shaw, late Ensign in the American army; all now or late of the county of Bucks: And John Campbell, William Campbell, James Little, Henry Magee, Edward Gibbons, and James Delong, yeoman; all now or late of EmmorsonValley; and Andrew Smith and Robert Nixon, yeoman, both now or late of the township of Lack; and Joseph King, yeoman; and William Wright, dyer; both now or late of the township of Path Valley; and Dominick McNeal, and John Stillwell, yeoman; both now or late of the township of Tuscarora; all now or late of the county of Cumberland: And Richard Weston, yeoman, now or late of the township of Frankstown; and Jacob Hare, Michael Hare, and Samuel Barrow, yeoman; all now or late of the township of Barrett; all now or late of the county of Bedford: And George Fields, Daniel Fields, Gilbert Fields, Isaac Dolston, Matthew Dolston, Isaac Dolston, junior, Morris Furner, Edward Furner, George Weltner, Henry Staaks, Patrick Hill, and Matthew Russell, yeoman; all now or late of the township of Wioming; all now or late of the county of Northumberland; have severally adhered to, and knowingly and willingly aided and assisted the enemies of this State, and of the United States of America, by having joined their enemies within this State. AND WHEREAS the following named persons, inhabitants of others of the United States of America, who have real estates within this Common Wealth, that is to say, Peter Campbell, gentleman, and Isaac Allen, attorney at law; both now or late of Trenton, in the State of New Jersey; and Andrew Elliott, Esquire, now or late of New York; have severally adhered to, and knowingly and willingly aided and assisted the enemies of this State, and the United States of America, by having joined their armies at the City of New York, in the State of New York: WE the Supreme Executive Council aforesaid, by virtue of certain powers and authorities to us given, by an Act of General Assembly, entitled, "An Act for the attainder of divers traitors if they render not themselves by a certain day, and for more effectually discovering the same, and for ascertaining and satisfying the lawful debts and claims thereupon,"DO hereby strictly charge and require the said William Ross, Robert White, Richard Palmer, William Marshall, John Burd, John Colston, William Evans, John Evans, Alexander Smith, James Warrel, David Jones, Hudson Burr, John Burkett, William Drewitt Smith, Alexander Stedman, Thomas Green Thomas Silkod, Joseph Loughborough, Joseph Comely, John Burke, Uriah Hughes, junior, David Burge, Courtland Todd, Joseph Kennard, Isaac Hutchinson, Thomas Hutchinson, Marmaduke Hutchinson, Edward Jones, Jonathan Jones, Enoch Morris, John Dennis, Peter Perlie, Jonathan Shaw, John Campbell, William Campbell, James Little, Henry Magee, Edward Gibbons, James Delong, Andrew Smith, Robert Nixon, Joseph King, William Wright, Dominick McNeal, John Stillwell, Richard Weston, Jacob Hare, Michael Hare, Samuel Barrow, George Fields, Daniel Fields, Gilbert Fields, Isaac Dolston, Matthew Dolston, Isaac Dolston, junior, Morris Furner, Edward Furner, George Weltner, Henry Staaks, Patrick Hill, Matthew Russell, Peter Campbell, Isaac Allen, and Andrew Elliott, to render themselves respectively to some or one of the Justices of the Supreme Court, or of the Justices of the Peace of one of the counties within this State, on or before Tuesday the fifteenth day of December next ensuing, and also abide their legal trial for such their treasons, on pain that every of them the said William Ross, Robert White, Richard Palmer, William Marshall, John Burd, John Colston, William Evans, John Evans, Alexander Smith, James Warrel, David Jones, Hudson Burr, John Burkett, William Drewitt Smith, Alexander Stedman, Thomas Green Thomas Silkod, Joseph Loughborough, Joseph Comely, John Burke, Uriah Hughes, junior, David Burge, Courtland Todd, Joseph Kennard, Isaac Hutchinson, Thomas Hutchinson, Marmaduke Hutchinson, Edward Jones, Jonathan Jones, Enoch Morris, John Dennis, Peter Perlie, Jonathan Shaw, John Campbell, William Campbell, James Little, Henry Magee, Edward Gibbons, James Delong, Andrew Smith, Robert Nixon, Joseph King, William Wright, Dominick McNeal, John Stillwell, Richard Weston, Jacob Hare, Michael Hare, Samuel Barrow, George Fields, Daniel Fields, Gilbert Fields, Isaac Dolston, Matthew Dolston, Isaac Dolston, junior, Morris Furner, Edward Furner, George Weltner, Henry Staaks, Patrick Hill, Matthew Russell, Peter Campbell, Isaac Allen, and Andrew Elliott, nor rendering himself as aforesaid, and abiding the trial aforesaid, shall from and after the said fifteenth day of December next, stand, and be attainted of High Treason, to all intents and purposes, and shall suffer such pains and penalties, and undergo all such forfeitures, as persons attainted of High Treason ought to do. And all the faithful subjects of this State, are to take notice of this Proclamation, and govern themselves accordingly. GIVEN by order of the Council, under the hand of the Honourable GEORGE BRYAN, Esquire, Vice President, and the seal of the State, at Philadelphia, this thirtieth day of October, in the year of our Lord, one thousand, seven hundred, and seventy eight. GEORGE BRYAN, Vice President. Attested by order of the Council, TIMOTHY MATLACK, Sec. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Conestoga Area Historical Society Web Page =-= Stokes Family Web Page http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacahs/index.htm =-= http://home.supernet.com/~jlstokes =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Roger Cooper, the Royal Proprietor of the Loyalist Pages at americanrevolution.org, is pleased to announce his new feature, Black Loyalists, which can be found at: http://www.americanrevolution.org/blackloyalists.html -- For Revolutionary War information on the Internet, your first choice should be AMERICANREVOLUTION.ORG

For Black History Month, I've uploaded to my site the Pension file of an African-born veteran of the Revolutionary War. The page can be accessed at: http://www.americanrevolution.org/rees.html This will take you straight to it, so you don't have to go through the home page. If you forget it and want to return, it's linked in the "Scholar's Showcase" section of the site (and, for now, under "New" on the Home Page. -- For Revolutionary War information on the Internet, your first choice should be AMERICANREVOLUTION.ORG

Hi Ron, Curious about the latter her, I did a search ..... found this website of interest: http://www.augustagensociety.org/cemetery.htm Do a edit on sword ... He states ... Inscriptions are voices of sentiments as expressed at the time by the families they left behind. One soldier's marble monument depicts a draped, unsheathed sword and scabbard, symbolically showing he died in battle. He did, at Petersburg, Virginia during the War. The inscription on one side of the stone notes, "What is worth living for is worth dying for," and on the other, "He was outnumbered, not outdone." Jan Ronald Weaver wrote: > Revolutionary War searchers "In your experience do you know what it would > mean that Thomas White is given > credit for "Supply Tax paid" on a returned, accepted DAR application?" > > Also do you know what the draped sword signifies that is on Thomas White's > grave marker in Evans Cemetery? > Ron > rzweaver@tqci.net > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Revolutionary War searchers "In your experience do you know what it would mean that Thomas White is given credit for "Supply Tax paid" on a returned, accepted DAR application?" Also do you know what the draped sword signifies that is on Thomas White's grave marker in Evans Cemetery? Ron rzweaver@tqci.net

Try the following link http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~wcarr1/Lossing1/Chap28.html Bill Carr Town of Malta Saratoga County, NY Lossing's Field Books of the Revolution and War of 1812 at http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~wcarr1/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Emerson" <geniemamma@yahoo.com> To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 6:44 PM Subject: [A-REV] Connecticut Service Record > Can someone tell me if NARA has service records for men who served for > only a few weeks in the War? > > My ancestor's information is as follows: > Abrm. Emerson, Entered Aug. 3, Sept. 14, 1778. Colonel Chapman's Reg. > Captain Holmes' Company (Seth W. Homes). > > Source: Record of service of Connecticut men in the I, War of the > Revolution. II, War of 1812. III, Mexican War, (Salem, Mass. Higginson > Book Co., 1996), Vol. I, pg. 532 > > I also received this note from a researcher at the Center for > Connecticut Studies: "He probably participated in the Newport, Rhode > Island expedition." Can anyone tell me about this expedition? > > Many thanks... > Linda > > -- > Linda Emerson > * Rootsweb List Administrator - Emerson/Emmerson/Emberson surnames > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~emersonlist/ > * Rootsweb List Administrator - Ferrigno & Senatore surnames > * Coordinator - Union Township, Erie County, Pennsylvania > http://www.rootsweb.com/~paerie/townships/Union.htm > > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Can someone tell me if NARA has service records for men who served for only a few weeks in the War? My ancestor's information is as follows: Abrm. Emerson, Entered Aug. 3, Sept. 14, 1778. Colonel Chapman's Reg. Captain Holmes' Company (Seth W. Homes). Source: Record of service of Connecticut men in the I, War of the Revolution. II, War of 1812. III, Mexican War, (Salem, Mass. Higginson Book Co., 1996), Vol. I, pg. 532 I also received this note from a researcher at the Center for Connecticut Studies: "He probably participated in the Newport, Rhode Island expedition." Can anyone tell me about this expedition? Many thanks... Linda -- Linda Emerson * Rootsweb List Administrator - Emerson/Emmerson/Emberson surnames http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~emersonlist/ * Rootsweb List Administrator - Ferrigno & Senatore surnames * Coordinator - Union Township, Erie County, Pennsylvania http://www.rootsweb.com/~paerie/townships/Union.htm

Hi All; For any of you that are interested in this sort of thing, today is a day that won't occur for another 110 years. A palindrome is a string of numbers or letters that read the same forward or backwards. A palindrome year usually occurs every 110 years. Tonight, if you follow military-time, will be another palindrome. 8:02pm would be read as 20:02. There you go, two for one ! ******Another bulletin from the Dept. of Useless information.****** Rhonda Houston

" It is not my intent to violate the policy of the group by introducing modern political discussion into the list. However, a bit of it must come into this message so that I can make my point about conveying the importance of learning history to our youth." "The names of Washington, Jefferson and even Lincoln are being removed from schools and public buildings and replaced with the names of obscure individuals whose contributions to the creation and stability of our Nation were negligible, if they contributed at all." My NOTE : my mother told me some time ago about a man who had appeared on one of the political talk shows she is addicted to . His stated mission (and only job) was to go around the country and get people to put Ronald Reagan's name on something in every town,city, county and state in the US. At the time, I thought the fastest way to do that was to replace Washington's name . It never occurred to me they would actually be able to pull it off. Replacing Washington and Jefferson with obscure, peripheral people is a masterful interim step....~malinda "One of the things that continues to surprise me in my introductory courses is the slanted approach to history brought to my classroom by my students who have been taught in a variety of secondary schools. My students have often never heard of Adams, Madison or Hamilton. If they have it is only as peripheral players in the early settlement period. > > Many think Jefferson wrote the Constitution instead of Madison being the principle author. The words American Revolution have fallen out of favor and many historians now call that war the American War of Independence. Some even describe it as America's first Civil War. Every effort is being made to make the Framers of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution appear to be virtueless men with only their own self interest at stake in the Revolutionary War. The names of Washington, Jefferson and even Lincoln are being removed from schools and public buildings and replaced with the na mes of obscure individuals whose contributions to the creation and stability of our Nation were negligible, if they contributed at all." <reluctant chomp> > > Respectfully I remain, > Your Humble & Obedient Servant, > > Arthur McGinley > Interpreting Lt. Col. James McGinley > Blount County Militia > Territory of the United States Southwest of the River Ohio > mcginley@chartertn.net > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------- > "All you need for happiness is a good gun, > a good horse, and a good wife." > > - Daniel Boone > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Greetings, A James Coburn, VA Militia, is mentioned by name in the following publication: Historical reg. Of Virginians in the Rev., soldiers, saliors and marines, 1775-1783. Ed. By John H. Gwathmey. Richmond, Va. 1938. (13, 872p.):161 Would anyone just happen to have this document/issue? I am attempting to further identify the James Coburn who went with D. Boone to KY on his initial trips. Thank you for your time, Jan

Hello, I am looking for info on a Lt. James Hooke b 1726 d. 9/1783 M. Betsy Hooke b. 1726 also his son George W. Hooke b. 1750 d. 1835 NC served under Captain Nelson 4th NC reg. and in Virginia Milita wife Jean Bright Thank you pscottie39@aol.com

It is not my intent to violate the policy of the group by introducing modern political discussion into the list. However, a bit of it must come into this message so that I can make my point about conveying the importance of learning history to our youth. The quote "Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, but teach a man to fish and he will eat for life" (or something like that) is informative, but should have a further qualification: "But he will only catch edible fish if he is guided to good water." The same is true of learning history. The book Founding Brothers is extremely well researched. I occasionally offer American and Tennessee history courses at the college where I teach. I teach for Tusculum College which is the one of the oldest institutes of higher learning West of the Unaka (Smoky in East Tennessee) Mountains. I am a quantitative Political Scientist by education so my primary teaching responsibility is Social Science Research Methods. My department assumes that because I am the local "expert" on American Government I am also qualified to teach American and Tennessee History. Actually I have learned most of my history so that I can do a decent job representing my Revolutionary War ancestor who was one of the Pioneers of Tennessee. One of the things that continues to surprise me in my introductory courses is the slanted approach to history brought to my classroom by my students who have been taught in a variety of secondary schools. My students have often never heard of Adams, Madison or Hamilton. If they have it is only as peripheral players in the e! arly settlement period. Many think Jefferson wrote the Constitution instead of Madison being the principle author. The words American Revolution have fallen out of favor and many historians now call that war the American War of Independence. Some even describe it as America's first Civil War. Every effort is being made to make the Framers of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution appear to be virtueless men with only their own self interest at stake in the Revolutionary War. The names of Washington, Jefferson and even Lincoln are being removed from schools and public buildings and replaced with the names of obscure individuals whose contributions to the creation and stability of our Nation were negligible, if they contributed at all. I have had secondary teachers in my own state tell me there is nothing of interest historically until after Reconstruction. Although not a state during the Revolution, the settlers here contributed to resisting the British out of all proportion to the size of their population by sending militia units to North and South Carolina. They did so at the risk of leaving their farms and families unprotected from attacks by British inspired Indian war parties. Those that remained in the Valley acted as the Rearguard of the Revolution by keeping the British off the backs of the Continentals fighting in North and South Carolina. They distinguished themselves at the Battle of King's Mountain and brought considerable honor to the epithet "Overmountain Men." The early settlement period (1768 - 1782) is rife with heroic acts and deeds both on the part of the settlers and of the Native American inhabitants. When the region became the Southwest Territory it was America's first "Wild West." Only one state had more Civil War battles fought in it and that was Virginia. Probably no state went through a longer period of agony before secession. Even then one-third of the state retained Union sympathies while the Civil War dragged on. Yet that is taught in very few of our secondary schools. Do our secondary schools do a good job teaching history? I would venture to say that many teachers make every effort to do so. But there are those who are more interested in indoctrination than education and those are the ones we must be watchful to provide a counterbalance for. I am sure that some of you will try to attach a denigrating political label to me after this, my first (and probably my last) brief venture out of lurkerdom in this group. If you must label me, then use the one I use when asked my political leaning. I am a Jeffersonian Liberal. Jefferson said, "The government that governs least governs best." I personalize that by believing that the government that interferes the least in my life, governs best. I suggest that by extension, the government that interferes the least in the educational process also provides the better opportunity for a true education. When governments tell teachers what to say in the classroom, it isn't education, it is political indoctrination. So the Southwest Territory was what is now Tennessee and East Tennessee was Unionist during the Civil War. In fact, the legend goes that the Union could not have won the war without the Tennessee Volunteer Riflemen who sneaked through KY and VA to get to PA to enlist. Sadly there is a jaundiced view of history currently being provided to school children that destroys the reputations of our Founding Fathers. We have academics, and others, who want to judge 18th Century people by 21st Century standards of morality. What was right and proper for them is in some cases totally repugnant to us. But what would George Washington or Thomas Jefferson think our generation if they were to see a video of Brittany Spears or Madonna? I hope that our descendents 200 years from now are kinder to us than we have been recently to our Revolutionary War ancestors. Remember what George Santana said about failing to learn the lessons of History and being doomed to repeat them. If for no other reason than that we should stress to our children the importance of learning about our past. For that reason I encourage everyone of you to become involved in a local living history program. Yes it can be expensive. Yes it takes time and effort to do the research. Yes you often end up having to make most of your attire yourself by hand. Yes you have to scratch and scrape to find the time to prepare and put on the presentations. But when you see the look on the 6th grade troublemakers face when you show him (or her) how to build a fire with flint and steel, or pour a lead ball over an open fire, or explain the utility of carrying a longrifle (which you built yourself) to feed your family on the frontier, it is well worth the price. I have found that the parents have as many or more questions than the children and often the least informed audiences ! are the folks who are members of the genealogical societies. So get off you chairs, walk away from your piles of paper and your computer for a while and go out and teach our children some of the history you have learned. Believe it or not, they love to hear history delivered from a personal perspective. They don't get that from a textbook. Respectfully I remain, Your Humble & Obedient Servant, Arthur McGinley Interpreting Lt. Col. James McGinley Blount County Militia Territory of the United States Southwest of the River Ohio mcginley@chartertn.net --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "All you need for happiness is a good gun, a good horse, and a good wife." - Daniel Boone

If anyone is interested in learning about the American Flag, you can get a copy of this video at: http://www.vanescott.com/. The Many Faces of Old Glory is a unique and rewarding experience for all who see it. No other program so perfectly combines humor with historic facts about the exciting beginnings of our great country. I viewed this video at a past DAR meeting and was amazed at how much I learned. It would be a great video for children of all ages to watch. I highly recommend it. Thanks for you time. Michele

What do you mean by historical revisionism ? I went to elementary school in the 1950s and I think I got a lousey sense of what the American Revolution was all about. No discussion about the fact that many soldiers were drafted. It was all Washington, Jefferson and so on and there was little discussion about the average people who actually fought the war. No references to Black people and little discussion that Washington and Jefferson owned Black people. As far as I'm concerned this was a misrepresentation of what the American Revolution, long on heros but lacking fact and substance. Jim malinda wrote: > > Am I the only one disturbed by all the hisorical revisionism that > seems to be going around ? Does it strike anyone else there might > be a deeper agenda going on ? > > ~malinda > > > The goal of the teacher is to instill a desire to learn more than what > > he/she is presenting in the classroom. Looking back on my own acquired > > interest in history, I seem to recall that I began loving history at a > young > > age. Much of what I have learned from that time to the present wasn't > > provided entirely in the classroom. But, my teachers piqued my interest > and > > I took the initiative to borrow books from the library to learn more. Now, > > with the Internet, a history teacher can direct his/her students to so > many > > more resources than I once had. > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Conestoga Area Historical Society Web Page =-= Stokes Family Web Page http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacahs/index.htm =-= http://home.supernet.com/~jlstokes =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

At 05:50 PM 1/29/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Once again this summer their will be ample opportunity to live our history >in the Hudsona and Mohawk Valleys of New York and in neighboring Vermont >(plus the opening event just on the other side of the Connecticut River in >New Hampshire). Here's the list of events taken from "The Battlements", the >quarterly newsletter of the Friends of Saratoga Battlefield: > >A series of events celebrating the 225th Anniversary of the invasion of the >Champlain, Mohawk and Hudson Valleys in 1777 - THE NORTHERN CAMPAIGN - Come >and witness living history as the campaign winds it's way to the Battles of >Saratoga, considered the turning point of the Ameri-can Revolution and the >most decisive battle of the past millennium. This unforgettable story will >be retold through re-enactments and special events; many on the original >sites where they oc-curred, during the spring, summer and fall of 2002. (For >more information: David Bernier, Sr., 178 Glendale Rd, Southampton, MA 01073 >(413) 527-4470 Web site > >http://www.thenortherncampaign.org It sounds like there has been plenty of planning for putting food in the trough. Now the question becomes: How do we get the young folk who *really* need it to come? BTW, I am one of those hardheads who think "turning points" are battles your ancestor fought in, or a battle within 30 miles of your home. But I will agree with *anyone* who says that Saratoga was *the* turning point of the Rev War. John Robertson