My ancestor, Samuel Ellis, was wounded at the Battle of the Cowpens, according to Bobby Moss's book, "The Patriots at the Cowpens." His pension application number, S30400, is referenced in the book. Where do I write or call to obtain a copy of his application? Also, another listed patriot, John Scott of the Virginia Line, is referenced as having assisted Samuel Ellis from the battlefield. Apparently his listing is based upon the pension application filed by Ellis, who enlisted in the NC militia from Rowan County, but may have been assigned with the Virginia troops during the battle. No other info is given about John Scott. Does anyone have any other sources that could be checked to gain more info about him? And, could I be so lucky as to hear from a descendant of John Scott? Wishful thinking, I'm sure, but you never know! Any help is appreciated..... Mack Smith SmokyMtn43@aol.com

Write to the National Archives and Records Administration, NARA for a copy of the pension file. Be sure to include as much information as possible. You will need a special form which can be ordered from the NARA web page. See http://www.nara.gov/research/ordering/ordrinfo.html Lynn SmokyMtn43@aol.com wrote: > My ancestor, Samuel Ellis, was wounded at the Battle of the Cowpens, > according to Bobby Moss's book, "The Patriots at the Cowpens." His > pension application number, S30400, is referenced in the book. Where > do I write or call to obtain a copy of his application? > Also, another listed patriot, John Scott of the Virginia Line, is > referenced as having assisted Samuel Ellis from the battlefield. > Apparently his listing is based upon the pension application filed by Ellis, > who enlisted in the NC militia from Rowan County, but may have been > assigned with the Virginia troops during the battle. No other info is given > about John Scott. > Does anyone have any other sources that could be checked to gain more > info about him? And, could I be so lucky as to hear from a descendant of > John Scott? > Wishful thinking, I'm sure, but you never know! Any help is > appreciated..... > > Mack Smith > SmokyMtn43@aol.com > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Check with the PA Archives for listings of Rev War veterans. The Rev War records are now online in digital form and can be searched by surname. See http://www.digitalarchives.state.pa.us/ Lynn RStew160@aol.com wrote: > I've been reading the AmRev bulletin board for awhile now, and find it highly > informative. Yesterday I discovered that I do have a specific question. Among > my forebears I find reference to a plaque which reads: > > Christian Sturtz > Maj 5 BN PA CONT LINE > Revolutionary War > 1744 1826 > > Now, I know the dates are his lifetime (born-died). But where can I find more > on his war service? > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Dee, Having seen references somewhere in the past, I did a google.com search and this website offers a list of source material references which may address all your questions: http://sjcpl.lib.in.us/homepage/LocalHist/revwar.html Three References - LH GEN REF 973.315 N324c Nell, William C. The Colored Patriots of the American Revolution. Arno Press. 1968. 396 p. LH GEN 973.3 N213b National Portrait Gallery. The Black Presence in the Era of the American Revolution, 1770 - 1800. National Portrait Gallery. 1973. 68 p. LH GEN REF 973.3 B835b Greene, Robert Ewell Black Courage, 1775 - 1783. Documentation of Black Participation in the American Revolution. Daughters of the American Revolution. 1984. 141 p. Also - http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/AFRICANAMER-GEN/2000-01/0948816647 Perhaps there is someone also looking in PA on this list which can offer you some sources to look at. Within the first page displayed of list messages, or at this address: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/AFRICANAMER-GEN/2000-01/0948816647 someone has posted a rather large list of NC men. Also - http://americanrevolution.org/blk.html An interesting site, an interesting article ... and well worth the read. Hope these are helpful for you, Jan Dee wrote: > Regarding the pensioner serving in 1777 and 1778 Redstone, Fayette, PA and once > in Bladensburg, MD, 1781, since I have the regiment or Captain that he served > under, I would think it would be possible to find out if persons of color served > with white men. However, does anyone know if this was the case then? Or was it > strictly all black regiment/companies? > > Thanks AGAIN. > > Dee. > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Regarding the pensioner serving in 1777 and 1778 Redstone, Fayette, PA and once in Bladensburg, MD, 1781, since I have the regiment or Captain that he served under, I would think it would be possible to find out if persons of color served with white men. However, does anyone know if this was the case then? Or was it strictly all black regiment/companies? Thanks AGAIN. Dee.

Thanks for responding. Thanks for the information, to wit: that there were a set list of questions asked in the Am. Rev. pension application; also that in NY, sometimes Indian or Negro was used as an identification. I am looking at a pensioner whose service included 2 one-month service in Fayette Co., PA, and one 5-month service in Bladensburg, MD. I was lucky in the pension application that I am looking at that they list in depth about his duties, where he enlisted and where he was drafted and his battles. At the time he first went into service in 1777, (1778, PA; and again 1781, Maryland) he was no longer an indentured servant (at age 29). However, one and maybe more persons are claiming that he is black. This is the reason for my wondering if any military papers might be in existence which could show that he was black. Thanks again. Dee. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Lampson" <dlampson@earthlink.net> To: "Dee" <deedovey@rica.net> Cc: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: March 03, 2002 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [A-REV] Is race mentioned on enlistment papers or draft notices? Dear Dee, I will be interested to see if anyone else responds to your question. I have been researching through a number of the NY Revolutionary War records. For that location at least, I would say that bit was more "occasionally" than "normally". It seems to have been used for identification, either "negro" or "indian", than a form of classification. I suspect that a lot more served than were so identified. As to the pension papers. For the main Pension Act (the 1832 one), in general, their content was in response to a form set of questions that were propounded. Race was not one of the items of information required to be supplied. Neither were battles that the veteran a was at or was in. Sometimes the information was volunteered but a lot of times these items were not mentioned in the application or supporting papers. Don CORRECTION! Dear Dee, In my reply to your message I mistakenly said that the battles were not asked about either. That is not correct. I just looked a set of Interrogatories under the June 7, 1832 Act. Interrogatory #5 asks: "In what battles was he engaged?" For some reason, some of the pension files I have looked at missed quite a bit of the information about battles the individual applicants were at. I have no idea why. Perhaps some of the local judges were not that interested and were concentrating on identifying the periods of service to determine total amount time in service needed to determine the pension. I should have had a cup of coffee before replying. Don Dee wrote: > I am a new member and suscribed to the digest yesterday. I don't know how many > members of this list there are, but I will pose my question in hopes I get an > answer or two. > > I am wondering if anyone knows whether, when African-Americans served in the > American Revolution, if it was "normally" listed on draft papers or enlisted > papers; or if in fact, African-Americans were drafted into service. > > The soldier enlisted twice and was drafted once according to his pension papers. > In the pension papers or deposition to apply for pension, there was no mention > of race. > > Thanks a million, > > Dee. > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Is anyone aware of any information on Washington's army band? I am told that a William Blair was the drum major.

I am looking for information about the following regiments: 5 Regiment Virginia Militia 1 Regiment (Harris'), Georgia Militia 1 Regiment (Alston's) South Carolina Militia 7 Regiment (Gray's) Virginia Militia 4 Regiment (Pogue's Kentucky Volunteers 36 Regiment (Renno's) Virginia Militia

CORRECTION! Dear Dee, In my reply to your message I mistakenly said that the battles were not asked about either. That is not correct. I just looked a set of Interrogatories under the June 7, 1832 Act. Interrogatory #5 asks: "In what battles was he engaged?" For some reason, some of the pension files I have looked at missed quite a bit of the information about battles the individual applicants were at. I have no idea why. Perhaps some of the local judges were not that interested and were concentrating on identifying the periods of service to determine total amount time in service needed to determine the pension. I should have had a cup of coffee before replying. Don

I've been reading the AmRev bulletin board for awhile now, and find it highly informative. Yesterday I discovered that I do have a specific question. Among my forebears I find reference to a plaque which reads: Christian Sturtz Maj 5 BN PA CONT LINE Revolutionary War 1744 1826 Now, I know the dates are his lifetime (born-died). But where can I find more on his war service?

Dear Dee, I will be interested to see if anyone else responds to your question. I have been researching through a number of the NY Revolutionary War records. For that location at least, I would say that bit was more "occasionally" than "normally". It seems to have been used for identification, either "negro" or "indian", than a form of classification. I suspect that a lot more served than were so identified. As to the pension papers. For the main Pension Act (the 1832 one), in general, their content was in response to a form set of questions that were propounded. Race was not one of the items of information required to be supplied. Neither were battles that the veteran a was at or was in. Sometimes the information was volunteered but a lot of times these items were not mentioned in the application or supporting papers. Don Dee wrote: > I am a new member and suscribed to the digest yesterday. I don't know how many > members of this list there are, but I will pose my question in hopes I get an > answer or two. > > I am wondering if anyone knows whether, when African-Americans served in the > American Revolution, if it was "normally" listed on draft papers or enlisted > papers; or if in fact, African-Americans were drafted into service. > > The soldier enlisted twice and was drafted once according to his pension papers. > In the pension papers or deposition to apply for pension, there was no mention > of race. > > Thanks a million, > > Dee. > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I am a new member and suscribed to the digest yesterday. I don't know how many members of this list there are, but I will pose my question in hopes I get an answer or two. I am wondering if anyone knows whether, when African-Americans served in the American Revolution, if it was "normally" listed on draft papers or enlisted papers; or if in fact, African-Americans were drafted into service. The soldier enlisted twice and was drafted once according to his pension papers. In the pension papers or deposition to apply for pension, there was no mention of race. Thanks a million, Dee.

Hi fellow listers, I would greatly appreciate any information concerning WEST families involved in the American Rev. War from the West Jersey area including loyalist families. TIA.

I just recently read the most interesting article on a British ship that sank in the waters of the East River, New York, in 1780. There was supposed to be a fortune of gold aboard. For more information, look to the following website: www.nytimes.com/2002/02/17/nyregion/17FEAT.html Annie

Does anyone know of an officer/ participant in the American Revolution or War of 1812 with the above name? (Bois d'Arc) Thank you, Mary granmary@webtv.net

Hi, Does anyone know of a Lt. John Bradford who marched under Major Abiel Abbot to Fort Ticonderoga, with men from Amherst and Wilton, NH? I'm trying to find out where he might have been from. My Lt. JB is buried in Pelham, NH. was married in Hudson, NH and his daughter married a man from Wilton,NH so I'm just trying to find out if they are one and the same. This is my brick wall! Thanks Sue

Hello Mark, Capt. David Scott, Cont'l line - 4,000 acres, warrent date March 3, 1806, In service 3 years Warrent # 5097 5098 5099 5010 - all to same Scott, David, Capt. 13 CL in 1777; retired Sept 30, 1778; commanded garrison at Fort Pitt, Fort Henry on the Ohio, awarded 4,000 acres Pitts, Maongalia pens 12 (pounds?) Scott, David, age 49, Capt 13 VA Regiment. {Reference: List of Pensioners, 1787} ****************************8 Sullivan, James, Capt in Clark's III (?) Reg. 1780-1782 13CL December 16, 1776, retired September 30, 1778, in 1781, Reg T-DV2P684 Reg. Horse Master General on Shawnee Expedition T-MV2P565 Hope this helps some. Regards, margaret

If someone has access to Gwathemy "Virginians in the Revolutionary War" I'd appreciate a favor. Would you please look-up the following two officers and let me know how the entries read? 1) Capt. James Sullivan 13th VA. 2) Capt. David Scott 13th VA. Thanks! Mark Allen

Hi, I am looking for any information on my grandfathers that served in the Revolutionary War. John Moyer/Myer Sr. Served in Berks County, Pennsylvania Died 1793 in Berks County, Pennslyvania. ( His son) Christain Moyer/Myer Served in Berks County, Pennsylvania Died Abt. 1835 in Montgomery County, Ohio. William Beaty/Beatty Served in Bedford County, Pennsylvania. Died 1799 in Pennslyvania. ( Married to Mary Fraser ) Please contact me if you have any information to share with me. Thank you, JIM

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