Sorry to disagree, Bill. I refer to an earlier post that I did. PA construction workers would certainly not be working in lower Manhattan. Seems that his excellency, George Washington's name was pretty well spread around the colonies. viz: "Washington Square is in center city Philadelphia. It's the site of the mass grave and has a memorial with an eternal flame to the memory of unknown patriots buried there. Fort Washington is in the suburban Philadelphia area of Montgomery County, PA. Quite a distance from center city. Charles Wetherbee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Carr" <wcarr1@nycap.rr.com> To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 5:35 AM Subject: Re: [A-REV] Construction Workers PA discover Rev War Soldiers Bones ~ 15 Bod... > Washington Square is in lower Manhattan, same area as NYU. Fort Washington > is at the northern extremity of Manhattan Island, well north of the GW > bridge. Decidedly not in the same neighborhood., > > Bill Carr > Town of Malta > Saratoga County, NY > > Lossing's Field Books of the Revolution and War of 1812 at > http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~wcarr1/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <JMJJF@aol.com> > To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 12:14 AM > Subject: Re: [A-REV] Construction Workers PA discover Rev War Soldiers Bones > ~ 15 Bod... > > > > Does anyone know how far Washington Square is from the site of Fort > > Washington? I think Lossing describes the site of the Revolutionary fort. > > Anne > > > > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# #################################################################

Washington Square is in lower Manhattan, same area as NYU. Fort Washington is at the northern extremity of Manhattan Island, well north of the GW bridge. Decidedly not in the same neighborhood., Bill Carr Town of Malta Saratoga County, NY Lossing's Field Books of the Revolution and War of 1812 at http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~wcarr1/ ----- Original Message ----- From: <JMJJF@aol.com> To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [A-REV] Construction Workers PA discover Rev War Soldiers Bones ~ 15 Bod... > Does anyone know how far Washington Square is from the site of Fort > Washington? I think Lossing describes the site of the Revolutionary fort. > Anne > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Does anyone know how far Washington Square is from the site of Fort Washington? I think Lossing describes the site of the Revolutionary fort. Anne

My smalltown library does very little in the way of Interlibrary loans. They exchange with only thirty two other libraries, many of them secondary school ones. Pretty dismal too, wouldn't you say? Maureen -----Original Message----- From: Dee <deedovey@rica.net> To: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, March 31, 2002 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [A-REV] Re: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 Thanks again, Rhonda. But this "we don't do Interlibrary Loans" comes right from the top, telling me in person. She did say that if you are doing a Dr.'s thesis, we will do ILL's for you. That was it! Incredible, right? Dee. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rhonda Houston" <rfhouston@mindspring.com> To: "Dee" <deedovey@rica.net>; <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: March 31, 2002 12:55 PM Subject: RE: [A-REV] Re: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 Every library is funded by a larger governmental concern be it county, state, or federal....SOMEONE IS GETTING PAID to make sure the library is functioning as a library should and is responsible for this service to the customers. Very often you have to politically, politely ask for a SUPERVISOR who has more of a handle on how to do these things...these individuals have been sent to college (4 to 6 yrs) for this job and their pay check reflects this as well; so ASK for this individual and you will get results. PERSEVERANCE AND KNOWLEDGE of how the chain of command within an organization evolves ALWAYS WINS OUT!! Remember that for someone on the otherside of the counter to have to admit to a patron on the otherside of the counter, to whom they are trying to serve, that they don't know how to do something, is sometime awkward (and makes them feel inadequate). This doesn't make that person who is assisting you feel good. So, Help relieve this feeling and ALLOW them to pass you on to that person in-the-know. Someone is always incharge of all governmental concerns (whatever level) and it is everyone's responsible within that library to SERVE the customers who are paying their salaries. Rhonda Houston -----Original Message----- From: Dee [mailto:deedovey@rica.net] Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 11:24 AM To: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [A-REV] Re: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 Dear Rhonda, Thanks for answering this in such a thorough manner. How I appreciate it and I know others do as well. You say, go to either your public library or family history center and give the librarian the ISBN# and you will be able to have access to any thing from Prince William County Library. This is so good to know, but I think I must live in the only town in the whole United States that does NOT do Interlibrary Loans. And it is a relatively new library, too. I got one ILL once by asking a guy that was retiring from the library, but then I had to ask over and over about what had happened to it. As I recall, it might have been a book from RELIC. Each time they? seemed to have lost track of it. I will try the FHC which is in Winchester, VA. However, it might be nice to spend a day now and then at Mansassas at the Bull Run Regional Library, on Ashton Street, which is where RELIC is housed. This is where I understand it is; however, I have not been there yet. It is only 120 RT miles away from where I live. And the FHC is 60, so it might be worth a day over there. Dee Shenandoah Valley, VA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rhonda Houston" <rfhouston@mindspring.com> To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com>; <deedovey@rica.net> Sent: March 31, 2002 10:20 AM Subject: FW: [A-REV] Re: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 According to the write up within the website there isn't a fee because the library where the RELIC is housed is witin what is considered one of Virginia's public libraries, and "the "staff maintain ties with local historical and genealogical societies and with other libraries and agencies with common interests, such as the National Archives and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints Library (LDS) and other related organizations" which means strongly that any Mormon family history center which has records can get easy access to the RELIC's holdings in Manassas. and http://www.pwcgov.org/library/default.asp Also, through your local library any book. All you have to do is ask the RELIC's librarian for the book's ISBN# (which is on the title page) and then go to either your public library or family history center and give the librarian the ISBN# and you will be able to have access to any thing from Prince William County Library. THE SECRET IS TO KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT YOU WANT which can be accomplished by emailing the libraian at the RELIC via this url provided: Here's the url for contacting one of Prince William County Librarian's directly = http://www.pwcgov.org/library/forms/virtual_reference.htm however, it looks like from the website, this website is created for those who are already living within the county of Prince William county, but don't let that keep you from using the contact provided. You still can ask questions and will get an answer. Immediate access to what it is that you want is only an email away.... this an email form that was established so they can take care of those people out of the county, so fill out this form and ask away! Here is a map within Prince William County where all their libraries are located. http://www.pwcgov.org/library/AreaLibraries.asp Hope this answers your question. Rhonda Houston -----Original Message----- From: Dee [mailto:deedovey@rica.net] Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 7:41 AM To: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [A-REV] Re: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 I was asking if the RELIC library in Manassas was open to the public or if you have to have a librarcy card there to avail yourself of its services. I have been to the wonderful DAR library in Washington, D.C. I believe there is a fee there, bu it is open to the public. thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dee" <deedovey@rica.net> To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com>; <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: March 30, 2002 12:08 AM Subject: Re: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 I have often wondered if this is open to the public or if you have to have a library card there. 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The Overmountain Men by Pat Alderman @ $17.00 Format: Paperback, 308pp. ISBN: 093280716X Publisher: Overmountain Press Pub. Date: January 1986 Won't this be out of print also???? ---------------------------------- The Overmountain Men Pat Alderman Format: Hardcover, 308pp. ISBN: 0932807151 Publisher: Overmountain Press Pub. Date: January 1970 I would guess this book was out of print. Rhonda Houston -----Original Message----- From: Lynn Brandvold [mailto:lynnb@nmt.edu] Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 10:18 PM To: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [A-REV] John Sevier, Overmountain Men, and the Battle of Boyd's Creek. Dear Listers, I have read the books recommended by various individuals on this list regarding the Rev. War in the south, in particular, those about Kings Mountain and Cowpens and have found them to be excellent. I'm hoping to get as good recommendations on books about John Sevier and his overmountain men. I have found an ancestor who served under Sevier at the Battle of Boyd's Creek. So I am particularly in this battle? I have noted the recommendation of "The Overmountain Men" by Pat Alderman and am planning on getting a copy. Are there any others? Lynn Brandvold ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Dear Listers, I have read the books recommended by various individuals on this list regarding the Rev. War in the south, in particular, those about Kings Mountain and Cowpens and have found them to be excellent. I'm hoping to get as good recommendations on books about John Sevier and his overmountain men. I have found an ancestor who served under Sevier at the Battle of Boyd's Creek. So I am particularly in this battle? I have noted the recommendation of "The Overmountain Men" by Pat Alderman and am planning on getting a copy. Are there any others? Lynn Brandvold

If you go to http://www.alibris.com and search for this book, they have 3 copies, one paperback $17.90, like NEW, 2 hardcover (were 3 but I got 1 for myself) 2 Hardcovers, one is only GOOD at $102.91 (jeeesh!) the other is $22.90, 3rd Printing NEW/MINT condition but no dust jacket I had ancestors, William and John Utley who participated at Kings Mountain, Cowpens and Guilford Courthouse hence my interest Good Luck, Marty Graybill > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhonda Houston [mailto:rfhouston@mindspring.com] > Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 8:44 PM > To: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [A-REV] John Sevier, Overmountain Men, and the Battle of > Boyd's Creek. > > > The Overmountain Men by Pat Alderman > @ $17.00 > Format: Paperback, 308pp. > ISBN: 093280716X > Publisher: Overmountain Press > Pub. Date: January 1986 > Won't this be out of print also???? > ---------------------------------- > The Overmountain Men > Pat Alderman > Format: Hardcover, 308pp. > ISBN: 0932807151 > Publisher: Overmountain Press > Pub. Date: January 1970 > I would guess this book was out of print. > > Rhonda Houston > -----Original Message----- > From: Lynn Brandvold [mailto:lynnb@nmt.edu] > Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 10:18 PM > To: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [A-REV] John Sevier, Overmountain Men, and the Battle of Boyd's > Creek. > > > Dear Listers, > > I have read the books recommended by various individuals on this list > regarding the Rev. War in the south, in particular, those about Kings > Mountain and Cowpens and have found them to be excellent. I'm hoping to > get as good recommendations on books about John Sevier and his > overmountain men. I have found an ancestor who served under Sevier at > the Battle of Boyd's Creek. So I am particularly in this battle? I > have noted the recommendation of "The Overmountain Men" by Pat Alderman > and am planning on getting a copy. Are there any others? > > Lynn Brandvold > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Dee writes, in part: I think I must live in the only town in the whole > United States that does NOT do Interlibrary Loans. And it is a relatively new > library, too. I got one ILL once by asking a guy that was retiring from the > library, but then I had to ask over and over about what had happened to it. As > I recall, it might have been a book from RELIC. Each time they? seemed to have > lost track of it. Dee -- Don't let your library off the hook. If it is a public library, it is supported by your tax dollars. There is no excuse for any library today not participating in ILL. Go to the library director first and explain your problem. If he/she doesn't respond favorably, your next step would be to go to the Library Board of Directors. And if they don't take appropriate action, find out which governing body in your area allocates funds to the library. And file a written complaint with them. Here is NJ, our Township Council funds the library from our local tax dollars. There is one caveat, however. Some rare books are not available through ILL, but that is the exception, not the rule. And you should be advised of this when you make your request, or at some point after your library has done a search for the book you requested. Phyllis in NJ (mother of a daughter who has an MLS [Master Library Science])

The rectangular mass of the two-story Georgian Colonial house, joined to the nearest outbuildings by curving arcades, has a modillioned cornice and a hip roof with a low central pediment and widely spaced dormers. A graceful cupola pierces the roof midway between the two chimneys at the ridge ends. The house, its sides covered with pine slabs beveled to simulate stone blocks, faces east from behind the tall columns of its familiar piazza. The tree-bordered lawn, encompassed by a ha-ha wall, slopes steeply to the Potomac. Furnished copiously with Washington's belongings, the handsome interior expresses, no less eloquently than the stately exterior, the character of the first President. Every room possesses relics of interest. In the central hall, where the Colonial color has been restored, hangs the key to the Bastille, a gift from La Fayette. The dining room has a plaster ceiling, cornice, and overmantel. plaque designed in Adam style. In this room hangs Wollaston's portrait of Lawrence Washington, the builder of the house. Across the south end of the house is the general's study, where copies of most of the books he possessed have been restored to the shelves. Here he wrote innumerable letters and made notes in his voluminous diary. At the north end of the house is the spacious banquet hall, a story-and-a-half high, with coved and plaster decorated ceiling and a Palladian window. The Italian marble mantel opposite was the gift of a London admirer, who also presented the two vases standing upon it. Portraits of Washington by Charles Willson Peale and Gilbert Stuart hang here. In the music room stands again the 91,000 harpsichord Washington imported for his little stepgranddaughter, Nelly Custis. Upon it lies the flute that Washington never learned to play. The bedrooms on the second floor are completely furnished. The numerous outbuildings are those that were essential to the self-sufficient plantation of the eighteenth century: smoke house, dairy, wash house, greenhouse, coach house, spinning house, barn, and others. An information booth occupies part of the restored kitchen, in the south wing; and farther away, to the northwest, a reproduction of the slave quarters contains a museum in which a large number of relics are displayed, notably the bust of Washington that Houdon made and used as a model for his marble statue in Richmond. The 5,000 acres of the original grant stretch along the Potomac between Dogue Creek and Little Hunting Creek. John Washington-greatgrandfather of George-and Nicholas Spencer applied for a patent to the land in April 1669. Half the property-the part called Hunting Creek-descended to Lawrence, the son of John Washington, and then to Lawrence's daughter Mildred, who sold it in 1726 to her brother Augustine, father of George Washington. In 1735 Augustine Washington built a house here and moved from Wakefield, bringing with him his three-year-old son, George. In 1738, however, Augustine Washington moved again, this time to Ferry Farm (see Tour 16a). Lawrence, the half-brother of George Washington, inherited Hunting Creek in 1743 and that year built a house for his bride, Anne Fairfax, the daughter of Colonel William Fairfax, probably on the foundations of his father's house, which had burned a few years before. He called the place Mount Vernon for his old commander, Admiral Edward Vernon of the British navy. Richard Blackburn was the architect. At the age of 16 George Washington came here to live with Lawrence. In 1752 Lawrence died. He left the estate to his daughter Sarah, subject to the dower rights of her mother, stipulating that if Sarah died without heirs Mount Vernon should descend to his half-brother George. On Sarah's death and her mother's remarriage a few months later, George Washington assumed possession of the estate. In 1754 he purchased his sister-in-law's right to the property and later the 2,500 acres that had once belonged to Nicholas Spencer. Subsequently he bought adjacent land. To Mount Vernon in 1759 George Washington brought his bride. He had great plans for becoming the leading agriculturist in America and operated the estate as five separate farms. He tried out crop rotation, kept elaborate notes, and conferred with friends who were similarly experimenting. In 1773 he added the third story to the house, with the six bedrooms beneath the eaves and drew plans for the north and south additions. Called to lead the army of his rebellious country, he left the management of the estate and the execution of his building plans to his distant cousin, Lund Washington. He was at home again just in time to supervise the decoration of the ceiling in the great banquet hall. In 1783 George Washington returned to Mount Vernon to devote himself, as he told both diary and friends, to agriculture and domesticity. His field yielded harvests vastly satisfying; he was awarded 'a premium for raising the largest jackass' by the Agriculture Society of South Carolina. In 1787 he was called to preside at the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia. In 1789 he became the first President of the United States. Washington returned to Mount Vernon in 1797 for two quiet years. With him and his wife lived his step-grandchildren, Nelly and George Washington Parke Custis, whom he had adopted. On December 14, 1799, George Washington died; Martha Washington died three years later. http://xroads.virginia.edu/~HYPER/VAGuide/tour01.html

I have never understood these libraries and their policies that exclude the general public from such a valuable service as interlibrary loan. Our local college has a policy that NO interlibrary loans will be provided unless to (1) a professor or (2) a student in a class at that college with a note from the professor that the interlibrary loan is for a class assignment. I was 35 when I entered college but I possessed a fair amount of education at that time mostly from my own reading and research into topics that interested me or I was curious about. The library that you mention seems to think that ordinary folks like me who want knowledge are not worthy of fooling with. This is a shame as our local PUBLIC library has a limited system through which they can get materials although I will say that if one locates a publication that is not within their system of libraries the WILL get it for you. Good luck....you will most likely need it! David Armstrong 201 Graham St. Elkins, WV 26241 Phone (304)-636-3964 -----Original Message----- From: Dee <deedovey@rica.net> To: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, March 31, 2002 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [A-REV] Re: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 >Thanks again, Rhonda. But this "we don't do Interlibrary Loans" comes right >from the top, telling me in person. She did say that if you are doing a Dr.'s >thesis, we will do ILL's for you. That was it! > >Incredible, right? >Dee. > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rhonda Houston" <rfhouston@mindspring.com> >To: "Dee" <deedovey@rica.net>; <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: March 31, 2002 12:55 PM >Subject: RE: [A-REV] Re: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 > > >Every library is funded by a larger governmental concern be it county, >state, or federal....SOMEONE IS GETTING PAID to make sure the library is >functioning as a library should and is responsible for this service to the >customers. Very often you have to politically, politely ask for a SUPERVISOR >who has more of a handle on how to do these things...these individuals have >been sent to college (4 to 6 yrs) for this job and their pay check reflects >this as well; so ASK for this individual and you will get results. > >PERSEVERANCE AND KNOWLEDGE of how the chain of command within an >organization evolves ALWAYS WINS OUT!! Remember that for someone on the >otherside of the counter to have to admit to a patron on the otherside of >the counter, to whom they are trying to serve, that they don't know how to >do something, is sometime awkward (and makes them feel inadequate). This >doesn't make that person who is assisting you feel good. So, Help relieve >this feeling and ALLOW them to pass you on to that person in-the-know. >Someone is always incharge of all governmental concerns (whatever level) and >it is everyone's responsible within that library to SERVE the customers who >are paying their salaries. > >Rhonda Houston >-----Original Message----- >From: Dee [mailto:deedovey@rica.net] >Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 11:24 AM >To: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [A-REV] Re: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 > > >Dear Rhonda, >Thanks for answering this in such a thorough manner. How I appreciate it >and I >know others do as well. > >You say, >go to either your public library or family history center and give the >librarian the ISBN# and you will be able to have access to any thing from >Prince William County Library. > >This is so good to know, but I think I must live in the only town in the >whole >United States that does NOT do Interlibrary Loans. And it is a relatively >new >library, too. I got one ILL once by asking a guy that was retiring from the >library, but then I had to ask over and over about what had happened to it. >As >I recall, it might have been a book from RELIC. Each time they? seemed to >have >lost track of it. > >I will try the FHC which is in Winchester, VA. However, it might be nice to >spend a day now and then at Mansassas at the Bull Run Regional Library, on >Ashton Street, which is where RELIC is housed. This is where I understand >it >is; however, I have not been there yet. It is only 120 RT miles away from >where >I live. And the FHC is 60, so it might be worth a day over there. > >Dee >Shenandoah Valley, VA > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rhonda Houston" <rfhouston@mindspring.com> >To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com>; <deedovey@rica.net> >Sent: March 31, 2002 10:20 AM >Subject: FW: [A-REV] Re: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 > > >According to the write up within the website there isn't a fee because the >library where the RELIC is housed is witin what is considered one of >Virginia's public libraries, and "the "staff maintain ties with local >historical and genealogical societies and with other libraries and agencies >with common interests, such as the National Archives and the Church of Jesus >Christ of Latter Day Saints Library (LDS) and other related organizations" >which means strongly that any Mormon family history center which has records >can get easy access to the RELIC's holdings in Manassas. > >and > >http://www.pwcgov.org/library/default.asp >Also, through your local library any book. All you have to do is ask the >RELIC's librarian for the book's ISBN# (which is on the title page) and then >go to either your public library or family history center and give the >librarian the ISBN# and you will be able to have access to any thing from >Prince William County Library. THE SECRET IS TO KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT YOU >WANT which can be accomplished by emailing the libraian at the RELIC via >this url provided: >Here's the url for contacting one of Prince William County Librarian's >directly = http://www.pwcgov.org/library/forms/virtual_reference.htm >however, it looks like from the website, this website is created for those >who are already living within the county of Prince William county, but don't >let that keep you from using the contact provided. You still can ask >questions and will get an answer. Immediate access to what it is that you >want is only an email away.... this an email form that was established so >they can take care of those people out of the county, so fill out this form >and ask away! Here is a map within Prince William County where all their >libraries are located. http://www.pwcgov.org/library/AreaLibraries.asp > >Hope this answers your question. Rhonda Houston > >-----Original Message----- >From: Dee [mailto:deedovey@rica.net] >Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 7:41 AM >To: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [A-REV] Re: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 > > >I was asking if the RELIC library in Manassas was open to the public or if >you >have to have a librarcy card there to avail yourself of its services. >I have been to the wonderful DAR library in Washington, D.C. I believe >there is >a fee there, bu it is open to the public. > >thanks. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dee" <deedovey@rica.net> >To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com>; ><AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D@rootsweb.com> >Sent: March 30, 2002 12:08 AM >Subject: Re: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 > > >I have often wondered if this is open to the public or if you have to have a >library card there. > >Thanks, >Dee >----- Original Message ----- >From: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D-request@rootsweb.com> >To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D@rootsweb.com> >Sent: March 29, 2002 9:01 PM >Subject: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 > >______________________________ > > >==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go >to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > >==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go >to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > >==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Thanks again, Rhonda. But this "we don't do Interlibrary Loans" comes right from the top, telling me in person. She did say that if you are doing a Dr.'s thesis, we will do ILL's for you. That was it! Incredible, right? Dee. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rhonda Houston" <rfhouston@mindspring.com> To: "Dee" <deedovey@rica.net>; <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: March 31, 2002 12:55 PM Subject: RE: [A-REV] Re: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 Every library is funded by a larger governmental concern be it county, state, or federal....SOMEONE IS GETTING PAID to make sure the library is functioning as a library should and is responsible for this service to the customers. Very often you have to politically, politely ask for a SUPERVISOR who has more of a handle on how to do these things...these individuals have been sent to college (4 to 6 yrs) for this job and their pay check reflects this as well; so ASK for this individual and you will get results. PERSEVERANCE AND KNOWLEDGE of how the chain of command within an organization evolves ALWAYS WINS OUT!! Remember that for someone on the otherside of the counter to have to admit to a patron on the otherside of the counter, to whom they are trying to serve, that they don't know how to do something, is sometime awkward (and makes them feel inadequate). This doesn't make that person who is assisting you feel good. So, Help relieve this feeling and ALLOW them to pass you on to that person in-the-know. Someone is always incharge of all governmental concerns (whatever level) and it is everyone's responsible within that library to SERVE the customers who are paying their salaries. Rhonda Houston -----Original Message----- From: Dee [mailto:deedovey@rica.net] Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 11:24 AM To: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [A-REV] Re: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 Dear Rhonda, Thanks for answering this in such a thorough manner. How I appreciate it and I know others do as well. You say, go to either your public library or family history center and give the librarian the ISBN# and you will be able to have access to any thing from Prince William County Library. This is so good to know, but I think I must live in the only town in the whole United States that does NOT do Interlibrary Loans. And it is a relatively new library, too. I got one ILL once by asking a guy that was retiring from the library, but then I had to ask over and over about what had happened to it. As I recall, it might have been a book from RELIC. Each time they? seemed to have lost track of it. I will try the FHC which is in Winchester, VA. However, it might be nice to spend a day now and then at Mansassas at the Bull Run Regional Library, on Ashton Street, which is where RELIC is housed. This is where I understand it is; however, I have not been there yet. It is only 120 RT miles away from where I live. And the FHC is 60, so it might be worth a day over there. Dee Shenandoah Valley, VA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rhonda Houston" <rfhouston@mindspring.com> To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com>; <deedovey@rica.net> Sent: March 31, 2002 10:20 AM Subject: FW: [A-REV] Re: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 According to the write up within the website there isn't a fee because the library where the RELIC is housed is witin what is considered one of Virginia's public libraries, and "the "staff maintain ties with local historical and genealogical societies and with other libraries and agencies with common interests, such as the National Archives and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints Library (LDS) and other related organizations" which means strongly that any Mormon family history center which has records can get easy access to the RELIC's holdings in Manassas. and http://www.pwcgov.org/library/default.asp Also, through your local library any book. All you have to do is ask the RELIC's librarian for the book's ISBN# (which is on the title page) and then go to either your public library or family history center and give the librarian the ISBN# and you will be able to have access to any thing from Prince William County Library. THE SECRET IS TO KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT YOU WANT which can be accomplished by emailing the libraian at the RELIC via this url provided: Here's the url for contacting one of Prince William County Librarian's directly = http://www.pwcgov.org/library/forms/virtual_reference.htm however, it looks like from the website, this website is created for those who are already living within the county of Prince William county, but don't let that keep you from using the contact provided. You still can ask questions and will get an answer. Immediate access to what it is that you want is only an email away.... this an email form that was established so they can take care of those people out of the county, so fill out this form and ask away! Here is a map within Prince William County where all their libraries are located. http://www.pwcgov.org/library/AreaLibraries.asp Hope this answers your question. Rhonda Houston -----Original Message----- From: Dee [mailto:deedovey@rica.net] Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 7:41 AM To: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [A-REV] Re: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 I was asking if the RELIC library in Manassas was open to the public or if you have to have a librarcy card there to avail yourself of its services. I have been to the wonderful DAR library in Washington, D.C. I believe there is a fee there, bu it is open to the public. thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dee" <deedovey@rica.net> To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com>; <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: March 30, 2002 12:08 AM Subject: Re: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 I have often wondered if this is open to the public or if you have to have a library card there. Thanks, Dee ----- Original Message ----- From: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: March 29, 2002 9:01 PM Subject: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 ______________________________ ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

David, I went back to school about the same age and when someone in one governmental area (county, state, federal) won't do interlibrary loans for me, I looked into another library within the area to find someone (that had the knowledge to do this) would this is for me. That's why I've learned to never take NO for an answer...there is ALWAYS SOMEONE up the line who will do these interlibrary loans; perservenence is the name of the game here! Rhonda -----Original Message----- From: David Armstrong [mailto:frankensteinjr@meer.net] Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 3:28 PM To: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [A-REV] Re: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 I have never understood these libraries and their policies that exclude the general public from such a valuable service as interlibrary loan. Our local college has a policy that NO interlibrary loans will be provided unless to (1) a professor or (2) a student in a class at that college with a note from the professor that the interlibrary loan is for a class assignment. I was 35 when I entered college but I possessed a fair amount of education at that time mostly from my own reading and research into topics that interested me or I was curious about. The library that you mention seems to think that ordinary folks like me who want knowledge are not worthy of fooling with. This is a shame as our local PUBLIC library has a limited system through which they can get materials although I will say that if one locates a publication that is not within their system of libraries the WILL get it for you. Good luck....you will most likely need it! David Armstrong 201 Graham St. Elkins, WV 26241 Phone (304)-636-3964 -----Original Message----- From: Dee <deedovey@rica.net> To: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, March 31, 2002 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [A-REV] Re: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 >Thanks again, Rhonda. But this "we don't do Interlibrary Loans" comes right >from the top, telling me in person. She did say that if you are doing a Dr.'s >thesis, we will do ILL's for you. That was it! > >Incredible, right? >Dee. > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rhonda Houston" <rfhouston@mindspring.com> >To: "Dee" <deedovey@rica.net>; <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: March 31, 2002 12:55 PM >Subject: RE: [A-REV] Re: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 > > >Every library is funded by a larger governmental concern be it county, >state, or federal....SOMEONE IS GETTING PAID to make sure the library is >functioning as a library should and is responsible for this service to the >customers. Very often you have to politically, politely ask for a SUPERVISOR >who has more of a handle on how to do these things...these individuals have >been sent to college (4 to 6 yrs) for this job and their pay check reflects >this as well; so ASK for this individual and you will get results. > >PERSEVERANCE AND KNOWLEDGE of how the chain of command within an >organization evolves ALWAYS WINS OUT!! Remember that for someone on the >otherside of the counter to have to admit to a patron on the otherside of >the counter, to whom they are trying to serve, that they don't know how to >do something, is sometime awkward (and makes them feel inadequate). This >doesn't make that person who is assisting you feel good. So, Help relieve >this feeling and ALLOW them to pass you on to that person in-the-know. >Someone is always incharge of all governmental concerns (whatever level) and >it is everyone's responsible within that library to SERVE the customers who >are paying their salaries. > >Rhonda Houston >-----Original Message----- >From: Dee [mailto:deedovey@rica.net] >Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 11:24 AM >To: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [A-REV] Re: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 > > >Dear Rhonda, >Thanks for answering this in such a thorough manner. How I appreciate it >and I >know others do as well. > >You say, >go to either your public library or family history center and give the >librarian the ISBN# and you will be able to have access to any thing from >Prince William County Library. > >This is so good to know, but I think I must live in the only town in the >whole >United States that does NOT do Interlibrary Loans. And it is a relatively >new >library, too. I got one ILL once by asking a guy that was retiring from the >library, but then I had to ask over and over about what had happened to it. >As >I recall, it might have been a book from RELIC. Each time they? seemed to >have >lost track of it. > >I will try the FHC which is in Winchester, VA. However, it might be nice to >spend a day now and then at Mansassas at the Bull Run Regional Library, on >Ashton Street, which is where RELIC is housed. This is where I understand >it >is; however, I have not been there yet. It is only 120 RT miles away from >where >I live. And the FHC is 60, so it might be worth a day over there. > >Dee >Shenandoah Valley, VA > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rhonda Houston" <rfhouston@mindspring.com> >To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com>; <deedovey@rica.net> >Sent: March 31, 2002 10:20 AM >Subject: FW: [A-REV] Re: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 > > >According to the write up within the website there isn't a fee because the >library where the RELIC is housed is witin what is considered one of >Virginia's public libraries, and "the "staff maintain ties with local >historical and genealogical societies and with other libraries and agencies >with common interests, such as the National Archives and the Church of Jesus >Christ of Latter Day Saints Library (LDS) and other related organizations" >which means strongly that any Mormon family history center which has records >can get easy access to the RELIC's holdings in Manassas. > >and > >http://www.pwcgov.org/library/default.asp >Also, through your local library any book. All you have to do is ask the >RELIC's librarian for the book's ISBN# (which is on the title page) and then >go to either your public library or family history center and give the >librarian the ISBN# and you will be able to have access to any thing from >Prince William County Library. THE SECRET IS TO KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT YOU >WANT which can be accomplished by emailing the libraian at the RELIC via >this url provided: >Here's the url for contacting one of Prince William County Librarian's >directly = http://www.pwcgov.org/library/forms/virtual_reference.htm >however, it looks like from the website, this website is created for those >who are already living within the county of Prince William county, but don't >let that keep you from using the contact provided. You still can ask >questions and will get an answer. Immediate access to what it is that you >want is only an email away.... this an email form that was established so >they can take care of those people out of the county, so fill out this form >and ask away! Here is a map within Prince William County where all their >libraries are located. http://www.pwcgov.org/library/AreaLibraries.asp > >Hope this answers your question. Rhonda Houston > >-----Original Message----- >From: Dee [mailto:deedovey@rica.net] >Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 7:41 AM >To: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [A-REV] Re: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 > > >I was asking if the RELIC library in Manassas was open to the public or if >you >have to have a librarcy card there to avail yourself of its services. >I have been to the wonderful DAR library in Washington, D.C. I believe >there is >a fee there, bu it is open to the public. > >thanks. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dee" <deedovey@rica.net> >To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com>; ><AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D@rootsweb.com> >Sent: March 30, 2002 12:08 AM >Subject: Re: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 > > >I have often wondered if this is open to the public or if you have to have a >library card there. > >Thanks, >Dee >----- Original Message ----- >From: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D-request@rootsweb.com> >To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D@rootsweb.com> >Sent: March 29, 2002 9:01 PM >Subject: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 > >______________________________ > > >==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go >to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > >==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go >to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > >==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Dear Rhonda, Thanks for answering this in such a thorough manner. How I appreciate it and I know others do as well. You say, go to either your public library or family history center and give the librarian the ISBN# and you will be able to have access to any thing from Prince William County Library. This is so good to know, but I think I must live in the only town in the whole United States that does NOT do Interlibrary Loans. And it is a relatively new library, too. I got one ILL once by asking a guy that was retiring from the library, but then I had to ask over and over about what had happened to it. As I recall, it might have been a book from RELIC. Each time they? seemed to have lost track of it. I will try the FHC which is in Winchester, VA. However, it might be nice to spend a day now and then at Mansassas at the Bull Run Regional Library, on Ashton Street, which is where RELIC is housed. This is where I understand it is; however, I have not been there yet. It is only 120 RT miles away from where I live. And the FHC is 60, so it might be worth a day over there. Dee Shenandoah Valley, VA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rhonda Houston" <rfhouston@mindspring.com> To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com>; <deedovey@rica.net> Sent: March 31, 2002 10:20 AM Subject: FW: [A-REV] Re: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 According to the write up within the website there isn't a fee because the library where the RELIC is housed is witin what is considered one of Virginia's public libraries, and "the "staff maintain ties with local historical and genealogical societies and with other libraries and agencies with common interests, such as the National Archives and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints Library (LDS) and other related organizations" which means strongly that any Mormon family history center which has records can get easy access to the RELIC's holdings in Manassas. and http://www.pwcgov.org/library/default.asp Also, through your local library any book. All you have to do is ask the RELIC's librarian for the book's ISBN# (which is on the title page) and then go to either your public library or family history center and give the librarian the ISBN# and you will be able to have access to any thing from Prince William County Library. THE SECRET IS TO KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT YOU WANT which can be accomplished by emailing the libraian at the RELIC via this url provided: Here's the url for contacting one of Prince William County Librarian's directly = http://www.pwcgov.org/library/forms/virtual_reference.htm however, it looks like from the website, this website is created for those who are already living within the county of Prince William county, but don't let that keep you from using the contact provided. You still can ask questions and will get an answer. Immediate access to what it is that you want is only an email away.... this an email form that was established so they can take care of those people out of the county, so fill out this form and ask away! Here is a map within Prince William County where all their libraries are located. http://www.pwcgov.org/library/AreaLibraries.asp Hope this answers your question. Rhonda Houston -----Original Message----- From: Dee [mailto:deedovey@rica.net] Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 7:41 AM To: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [A-REV] Re: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 I was asking if the RELIC library in Manassas was open to the public or if you have to have a librarcy card there to avail yourself of its services. I have been to the wonderful DAR library in Washington, D.C. I believe there is a fee there, bu it is open to the public. thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dee" <deedovey@rica.net> To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com>; <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: March 30, 2002 12:08 AM Subject: Re: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 I have often wondered if this is open to the public or if you have to have a library card there. Thanks, Dee ----- Original Message ----- From: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: March 29, 2002 9:01 PM Subject: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 ______________________________ ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Every library is funded by a larger governmental concern be it county, state, or federal....SOMEONE IS GETTING PAID to make sure the library is functioning as a library should and is responsible for this service to the customers. Very often you have to politically, politely ask for a SUPERVISOR who has more of a handle on how to do these things...these individuals have been sent to college (4 to 6 yrs) for this job and their pay check reflects this as well; so ASK for this individual and you will get results. PERSEVERANCE AND KNOWLEDGE of how the chain of command within an organization evolves ALWAYS WINS OUT!! Remember that for someone on the otherside of the counter to have to admit to a patron on the otherside of the counter, to whom they are trying to serve, that they don't know how to do something, is sometime awkward (and makes them feel inadequate). This doesn't make that person who is assisting you feel good. So, Help relieve this feeling and ALLOW them to pass you on to that person in-the-know. Someone is always incharge of all governmental concerns (whatever level) and it is everyone's responsible within that library to SERVE the customers who are paying their salaries. Rhonda Houston -----Original Message----- From: Dee [mailto:deedovey@rica.net] Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 11:24 AM To: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [A-REV] Re: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 Dear Rhonda, Thanks for answering this in such a thorough manner. How I appreciate it and I know others do as well. You say, go to either your public library or family history center and give the librarian the ISBN# and you will be able to have access to any thing from Prince William County Library. This is so good to know, but I think I must live in the only town in the whole United States that does NOT do Interlibrary Loans. And it is a relatively new library, too. I got one ILL once by asking a guy that was retiring from the library, but then I had to ask over and over about what had happened to it. As I recall, it might have been a book from RELIC. Each time they? seemed to have lost track of it. I will try the FHC which is in Winchester, VA. However, it might be nice to spend a day now and then at Mansassas at the Bull Run Regional Library, on Ashton Street, which is where RELIC is housed. This is where I understand it is; however, I have not been there yet. It is only 120 RT miles away from where I live. And the FHC is 60, so it might be worth a day over there. Dee Shenandoah Valley, VA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rhonda Houston" <rfhouston@mindspring.com> To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com>; <deedovey@rica.net> Sent: March 31, 2002 10:20 AM Subject: FW: [A-REV] Re: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 According to the write up within the website there isn't a fee because the library where the RELIC is housed is witin what is considered one of Virginia's public libraries, and "the "staff maintain ties with local historical and genealogical societies and with other libraries and agencies with common interests, such as the National Archives and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints Library (LDS) and other related organizations" which means strongly that any Mormon family history center which has records can get easy access to the RELIC's holdings in Manassas. and http://www.pwcgov.org/library/default.asp Also, through your local library any book. All you have to do is ask the RELIC's librarian for the book's ISBN# (which is on the title page) and then go to either your public library or family history center and give the librarian the ISBN# and you will be able to have access to any thing from Prince William County Library. THE SECRET IS TO KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT YOU WANT which can be accomplished by emailing the libraian at the RELIC via this url provided: Here's the url for contacting one of Prince William County Librarian's directly = http://www.pwcgov.org/library/forms/virtual_reference.htm however, it looks like from the website, this website is created for those who are already living within the county of Prince William county, but don't let that keep you from using the contact provided. You still can ask questions and will get an answer. Immediate access to what it is that you want is only an email away.... this an email form that was established so they can take care of those people out of the county, so fill out this form and ask away! Here is a map within Prince William County where all their libraries are located. http://www.pwcgov.org/library/AreaLibraries.asp Hope this answers your question. Rhonda Houston -----Original Message----- From: Dee [mailto:deedovey@rica.net] Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 7:41 AM To: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [A-REV] Re: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 I was asking if the RELIC library in Manassas was open to the public or if you have to have a librarcy card there to avail yourself of its services. I have been to the wonderful DAR library in Washington, D.C. I believe there is a fee there, bu it is open to the public. thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dee" <deedovey@rica.net> To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com>; <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: March 30, 2002 12:08 AM Subject: Re: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 I have often wondered if this is open to the public or if you have to have a library card there. Thanks, Dee ----- Original Message ----- From: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: March 29, 2002 9:01 PM Subject: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 ______________________________ ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

New Jersey Genealogy http://www.hunterdon.lib.nj.us/index.htm http://www.hunterdon.lib.nj.us/ref/genealog.htm http://www.hunterdon.lib.nj.us/libpol/libinfo.htm - It's a county library which means you can get a book via interlibrary loan!! Armstrong, William C. Pioneer Families of Northwestern New Jersey (Lambertville, NJ: 1979). This book "was a series of weekly articles which appeared in the Hackettstown Gazette beginning in the issue of February 16, 1934. There were ninety-four installments." - Preface. 929.3 and R-NJ 929.3 [Barker, Bette Marie]. Guide to Family History Sources in the New Jersey State Archives (Trenton: 1987). A good summary of how to use the state archives and what you can expect to find there -- much more than just vital statistics. Original Hunterdon County records include births of Negro children (1804-35), Justice of the Peace dockets (1790-1947), mortgages/loan office (1737-48), tavern licenses (1737-1870), and manumissions of slaves (1788-1853). 929.1 and R 929.1 Beekman, George C. Early Dutch Settlers of Monmouth County, New Jersey (Freehold, NJ: 1915, reprinted New Orleans, LA: 1974). No index. R-NJ 974.976 Biographical and Genealogical History of Morris County, New Jersey, 2 vols. (New York: 1899). R-NJ 974.974 Cooley, Eli F. Genealogy of Early Settlers in Trenton and Ewing, "Old Hunterdon County," New Jersey (Trenton, NJ: 1883, reprinted Lambertville, NJ: n.d.). 929.2 and R-NJ929.2 D'Autrechy, Phyllis B. A Guide to the Archives of Hunterdon County: Genealogical and Historical Research in the Offices of the County Clerk, Surrogate and Freeholders (Flemington, NJ: 1993). 974.971 and R-NJ 974.971 D'Autrechy, Phyllis B. More Records of Old Hunterdon County, Volume 1 (Flemington, N.J.: 1998). Records from the Surrogate's Office dealing with wills and guardianships, records from the County Clerk's Office dealing with Coroners' Inquests, naturalization records, and peddlers' licenses, and the Pennington Presbyterian Church records. R-NJ 974.971 Ege, Ralph. Pioneers of Old Hopewell (Hopewell, NJ: 1908). Hopewell was part of Hunterdon County until 1838. A glance through this shows Hunterdon County names like Larison and Stout. No index. R-NJ 974.965 Genealogies of New Jersey Families: From the Genealogical Magazine of New Jersey, 2 vols. (New Brunswick, NJ: 1996). Over 2,000 pages, and well indexed. R-NJ 929.2 Hinshaw, William Wade. Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy, Vol II (Baltimore: 1969). "Containing every item of genealogical value found in all records and minutes (known to be in existence) of four of the oldest monthly meetings which ever belonged to the Philadelphia Yearly Meeting of Friends." An indexed guide to records of the Salem (N.J.) Monthly Meeting, Burlington (N.J.) Monthly Meeting, Philadelphia Monthly Meeting, and Falls (Pa.) Monthly Meeting. R-NJ 929.3 Jones, E. Alfred. The Loyalists of New Jersey: Their Memorials, Petitions, Claims, Etc. From English Records. Collections of the New Jersey Historical Society, Vol. X (Newark, NJ: 1927, reprinted Bowie, MD: 1988). R-NJ 973.314 Kieffer, Henry Martyn. Some of the First Settlers of "The Forks of the Delaware" and Their Descendants: Being a Translation from the German of the Record Books of The First Reformed Church of Easton, Penna., >From 1760 to 1852 (Easton, PA: 1902, reprinted Baltimore: 1973). R-NJ 929.3748 Kitchel, Walter Howard. Lineages (Numbers 1 to 1065) from August 15, 1900, Date Chartered by the General Society of Mayflower Descendants, to February 3, 1973 (Ann Arbor, MI: 1973). Title on spine: Mayflower Descendants/ New Jersey Society Lineages/ 1973. The lineages give only marriage dates. Lineage numbers refer to applications in the New Jersey Society files, that give more information. 929.3 and R-NJ 929.3 Knapp, Fred D. The Complete Public Records Guide: Central and Northern New Jersey Region (New Rochelle, N.Y.: 1993). For each county, Knapp describes land records, liens, corporate records, court records and board of education records, and gives a map of the clerk's office. R 352.1646 Murrin, Mary R. New Jersey Historical Manuscripts: A Guide to Collections in the State (Trenton, NJ: 1987). R-NJ 016.9749 Nelson, William. New Jersey Biographical and Genealogical Notes: >From the Volumes of the New Jersey Archives with Additions and Supplements (Newark, NJ: 1916, reprinted Baltimore: 1973 and 1989). 929.3 and R-NJ 929.3 Nelson, William, ed. Patents and Deeds and Other Early Records of New Jersey, 1664-1703 (Paterson, NJ: 1899, reprinted Baltimore: 1976). R-NJ 974.9. These records are also in New Jersey State Archives, First Series, Vol XXI, in glass bookcase. Sinclair, Donald A. A Guide to Manuscript Diaries and Journals in t he Special Collections Department, Rutgers University (New Brunswick, NJ: 1980). R-NJ 011.31 Skemer, Don C., and Robert C. Morris. Guide to the Manuscript Collections of the New Jersey Historical Society (Newark, NJ: 1979). 974.9 and R-NJ 016.9749 Smith, Herbert F. A Guide to the Manuscript Collection of the Rutgers University Library (New Brunswick, NJ: 1964). R-NJ 011.31 Stillwell, John E. Historical and Genealogical Miscellany: Data Relating to the Settlement and Settlers of New York and New Jersey, 5 vols. (New York: 1903, reprinted Baltimore: 1970). Mostly Monmouth County genealogies. R-NJ 929.3 Stryker-Rodda, Kenn. Index to The Genealogical Magazine of New Jersey, 4 vols. (Cottonport, LA: 1973-1982). Unfortunately, Hunterdon County Library does not receive The Genealogical Magazine of New Jersey, but the New Jersey State Library in Trenton has a complete run. Selected articles from this magazine appear in Genealogies of New Jersey Families (q.v.). R-NJ 929.1 Waldron, Richard. Historical Organizations in New Jersey: A Directory (Trenton, NJ: 1977). 974.9 and R-NJ 974.9 Wilson, Thomas B. Notices from New Jersey Newspapers, 1781-1790, Records of New Jersey, Vol. I (Lambertville, NJ: 1988). R-NJ 929.3 Maps and Gazetteers Beers, F.W. Atlas of Hunterdon Co., New Jersey, from Recent and Actual Surveys and Records (New York: 1873). Restricted Reference. Ask at Reference Desk. Cook, George H., and C.C. Vermeule. A Topographical Map of the Vicinity of Flemington from Somerville and Princeton Westward to the Delaware ([Trenton, NJ?]: 1889). "From Original Surveys and Levelings based on the Triangulation of the U.S. Coast and Geodetic Survey." No individual farms noted. In map cabinet in lobby. Cornell, Samuel C. Map of Hunterdon County, New Jersey (s.l.: 1851). In map cabinet in lobby. The Farm Journal Map of Hunterdon and Somerset Counties (New York: 1914). Farms are numbered and keyed to entries in Farm Jounal, Farm and Business Directory ofHunterdon and Somerset Counties (974.971 and R-NJ 974.971). The map is in the top drawer of the flat map case. Gordon, Thomas F. Gazetteer of the State of New Jersey (Trenton, NJ: 1834, reprinted Cottonport, LA: 1973). "Comprehending a General View of its Physical and Moral Conditions, Together with a Topographical and Statistical Account of its Counties, Towns, Villages, Canals, Rail Roads, Etc., Accompanied by a Map." 974.9 and R-NJ 974.9 Hammond, D. Stanton, III. Bicentennial Map of Union Township, Hunterdon Co., New Jersey (s.l.: 1977). "This MAP covers about 40-square miles of a historic area, showing private land ownership in the 18th and 19th centuries." Land records for each lot are cited in a "Guide" on the back of the map. In map cabinet in lobby. Hammond, D. Stanton, III. Genealogical Society of New Jersey Map Series # 4 (s.l.: 1965).This series shows early land ownership in Hunterdon County. We have "Index Map, 1688-1765," and Sheets A, B, C, F, and G. In map cabinet in Reference Room. Hughes, Micheal. Farm Map of Alexandria Township, Hunterdon Co., N.J. (Philadelphia: 1860). In the Meeting Room. Hughes, Michael. Farm Map of Clinton Township, Hunterdon Co., N.J. (Philadelphia: 1860). Each farm is separately colored and labeled. In map cabinet in lobby. Hughes, Michael. Farm Map of Union Township, Hunterdon Co., N.J. (Philadelphia: 1860). Each farm is separately colored and labeled. In map cabinet in lobby. Map of the Vicinity of Philadelphia and Trenton (Philadelphia: 1860). Most farms have the owners'names, and there are 46 inset maps of villages with house owners identified. In the Meeting Room. The National Gazetteer of the United States of America--New Jersey 1982 (Washington: 1982). "This gazetteer list about 10,000 geographic names" from U.S. Geological Survey maps, including cemetaries. R-NJ 917.49 New Jersey Department of Transportation. New Jersey Local Names, rev. June 1986 (Trenton, NJ: 1986). Restricted Reference. Ask at Reference Desk. Sidney, J.C. Plan of the Township of Raritan, Hunterdon Co., N.J. (Philadelphia: 1850). Individual houses labelled. In map cabinet in lobby. Snyder, John P. The Story of New Jersey's Civil Boundaries, 1606-1968 (Trenton: 1969) and Supplement (Trenton: 1988). Lists all boundary changes by county, then by town. R-NJ 917.49 Thorndale, William, and William Dollarhide. Map Guide to the U.S. Federal Censuses, 1790-1920 (Baltimore: 1987). Shows all county boundaries in the U.S. at the time of each census, and shows availability of information for each census. R 304.6 Voorhees, Oscar M. The Exterior and Interior Bounds of Hunterdon County, New Jersey (Flemington, N.J.: 1929). R-NJ 974.910 Bibliographies If you find a book listed in these bibliographies that may help your research, the Library can try to borrow through the Inter-Library Loan system (there is no charge for this service). If we cannot borrow a book, because many of these titles are out of print and rare, we can tell you what libraries hold it. Filby, P. William. A Bibliography of American County Histories (Baltimore: 1985). R 972.01 Kaminkow, Marion J. A Complement to Genealogies in the Library of Congress: A Bibliography (Baltimore: 1981). "Twenty thousand additions from forty-five libraries." R 929.1 Kaminkow, Marion J. United States Local Histories in the Library of Congress: A Bibliography, 5 vols. (Baltimore: 1973). R 973.016 Library of Congress. Genealogies in the Library of Congress, 2 vols. (Baltimore: 1972), Supplement, 1972-1976 (1977), and Second Supplement, 1976-1986 (1987). Genealogies arranged by family name. R 929.1 Peterson, Clarence Stewart. Consolidated Bibliography of County Histories in Fifty States in 1961 (Baltimore: 1973). "This 1961 Consolidated Bibliography aims to list all County histories of of at least 100 pages, with few exceptions...." R 973.016 Schreiner-Yantis, Netti. Genealogical & Local History Books in Print, 3rd ed. (Springfield, VA: 1981). "A catalog of over 10,000 intriguing and informative titles, arranged by subject and locality; with full ordering information for each." The books may not be in print any more, but the locality index is useful. R 929.1 Subject Guide to Books in Print, 5 vols. (New Providence, NJ: annual). See "Genealogy" and under family name, e.g., "Moore family." On the table opposite the Reference Desk. United States. Library of Congress. American and English Genealogies in the Library of Congress, 2nd ed. (Washington: 1919, reprinted Baltimore: 1967). R 929.1 Collective Biographies These books hold a large number of short biographies, usually of businessmen and civil leaders prominent at the time of publication. Individual biographies are not listed, but can be searched on the catalog terminals. Biographies of ministers can often be found in church histories, and biographies of early settlers can be found in town histories. We have several New Jersey county histories that also have collective biographies. Biography and Genealogy Master Index, online edition. Using the computer terminals "Birch" or "Hemlock" next to the Reference Desk, select "Online Databases" and then select "GaleNet." This database is based on Gale Publishing's print versions (see below). It is "a comprehensive index to nearly 12 million biographical sketches in more than 2700 volumes and editions of current and retrospective reference books, covering both contemporary and historical figures throughout the world." Biography and Genealogy Master Index, 2nd ed., 8 vols. (Detroit: 1980). "A consolidated index to more than 3,2000,000 biographical sketches in over 350 current and retrospective biographical dictionaries." Same, 1981-82 Supplement, 3 vols. (Detroit: 1982), "Containing more than 1,000,000 additional citations to more than 140 biographical dictionaries." Same, 1983 Supplement, 2 vols. (Detroit: 1983), "Containing more than 630,000 additional citations to more than 55 biographical dictionaries." R 920 Biography and Genealogy Master Index, 1996 (Detroit: 1996). "A consolidated index to more than 450,000 biographical sketches in over 80 current and retrospective biographical dictionaries." R 920 Fox-Davis, Arthur Charles. Armorial Families: A Directory of Gentlemen of Coat-Armour, 2 vols. (s.l.: 1929, reprinted Rutland, VT: 1970). Englishmen living in 1929. Many illustrations of heraldic coats-of-arms. R 929.6 Honeyman, A. Van Doren. Northwestern New Jersey: A History of Somerset, Morris, Hunterdon, Warren and Sussex Counties, 5 vols. (New York: 1927). Volumes 3, 4, and 5 contain biographies. Each volume has its own index. 974.9 and R-NJ 974.9 Myers, William Starr. The Story of New Jersey, 5 vols. (Lewis, NY: 1945). Volumes 4 and 5 contain biographies. Index in vol. 5. R-NJ 974.9 Ogden, Mary Depue. Memorial Cyclopedia of New Jersey, 3 vols. (Newark, NJ: 1915). Each volume has about 300 biographies of prominenet New Jerseyans of the time. Each volume is separately indexed. R-NJ 974.9 Portrait and Biographical Record of Hunterdon and Warren Counties, New Jersey (New York: 1891, photocopy made 1992). Limited Use Reference 974.97. Ask at Reference Desk. Scannell, John James. Scannell's New Jersey's First Citizens, 2 vols. (Paterson, NJ: 1917-18 and 1919-20). Check geographical index in each volume. R-NJ 920 Sinclair, Donald Arleigh. A New Jersey Biographical Index covering some 100.0 biographies and associated portraits in 237 New Jersey cyclopedias, 100.1 histories, yearbooks, periodicals, and other collective biographical 100.2 sources published to about 1980 (Baltimore: 1993). R-NJ 974.9 Sinclair, Donald Arleigh. New Jersey Collective Biographical Sources: A Bibliography (Metuchen, NJ: 1995). "A supplement to his New Jersey Biographical Index." R-NJ 974.9 Snell, James P. History of Hunterdon and Somerset Counties, New Jersey, with Illustrations and Biographical Sketches of Its Prominent Men and Pioneers, 2 vols. (Philadelphia: 1881, reprinted 1976). A typed index is tipped in the front of volume 1. 974.971 and R-NJ 974.971 Periodicals "MARRIED. In Lambertville, on the 12th inst. by the Rev. Mr. Studdyford, Mr. Silas VanKirk to Miss Delilah Coryell, after a short courtship, which originated on the same evening on which the union was consummated." --from the Hunterdon Gazette and Farmer's Weekly Advertiser, March 24, 1825 Hunterdon County Democrat. We keep copies of issues for the last twelve months, and then we keep older copies on microfilm. Microfilm covers these dates: Sept. 3, 1838, - Aug. 21, 1844; Oct. 4, 1848 - Feb. 20, 1861; Jan. 6, 1864 - July 11, 1866; Jan. 5, 1870 - March 22, 1898; June, 1906; Jan. 28, 1908 - present. Hunterdon County Republican. On microfilm only: July 5, 1867 - June 16, 1897; Oct. 3, 1900 - Dec., 1944; Feb. 14, 1946 - Dec. 28, 1946; Jan. 29, 1948 - Jan. 5, 1950. Hunterdon Gazette. Microfilm only: Jan. 3, 1833-March 1, 1843; Sept. 14, 1853-July 11,1866. Hunterdon Gazette & Farmer's Advertiser. On microfilm only: March 24, 1823-May 2,1832. Hunterdon Historical Newsletter. Volumes 1 to 21 are indexed by family names in a separate index volume. Volumes 1 to 10, 11-15, 16-20, and 21-25 have separate indexes included in each bound volume. "Unpublished Cemetery Records" and "Notes and Queries" columns have much useful genealogical information. R-NJ 974.971 Somerset County Historical Quarterly, vols. 1-6 (1912-1917), reprinted 1988. Each volume is indexed. Many articles of genealogical interest. 1989. R-NJ 974.944 Other Sources Central New Jersey Genealogical Club: Their newsletter and notices of meetings are posted on the bulletin board by the copier in the Reference Room. David Library of the American Revolution. Box 48, Washington Crossing, PA 18977-0048. Family History Centers. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) have Family History Centers in Clinton, East Brunswick and Princeton, through which you can borrow microfilms from the main library in Salt Lake City. Genealogical Society of New Jersey. Hunterdon County Hall of Records. Main Street, Flemington, next to the Old Courthouse. See D'Autrechy, A Guide to the Archives of Hunterdon County, R-NJ 974.971. Hunterdon County Historical Society. A pamphlet outlining the Society's holdings is in the carrel opposite the Jerseyana case of Hunterdon County holdings. New Jersey State Library, Genealogy and Local History Office, 185 W. State St., Trenton. A pamphlet outlining the Society's holdings is in the carrel opposite the Jerseyana case of Hunterdon County holdings. N.J. Archives are nearby at 225 W. State St. Telephone directories. The Library has telephone directories for Hunterdon County back to 1968. Ask at the Reference Desk.

According to the write up within the website there isn't a fee because the library where the RELIC is housed is witin what is considered one of Virginia's public libraries, and "the "staff maintain ties with local historical and genealogical societies and with other libraries and agencies with common interests, such as the National Archives and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints Library (LDS) and other related organizations" which means strongly that any Mormon family history center which has records can get easy access to the RELIC's holdings in Manassas. and http://www.pwcgov.org/library/default.asp Also, through your local library any book. All you have to do is ask the RELIC's librarian for the book's ISBN# (which is on the title page) and then go to either your public library or family history center and give the librarian the ISBN# and you will be able to have access to any thing from Prince William County Library. THE SECRET IS TO KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT YOU WANT which can be accomplished by emailing the libraian at the RELIC via this url provided: Here's the url for contacting one of Prince William County Librarian's directly = http://www.pwcgov.org/library/forms/virtual_reference.htm however, it looks like from the website, this website is created for those who are already living within the county of Prince William county, but don't let that keep you from using the contact provided. You still can ask questions and will get an answer. Immediate access to what it is that you want is only an email away.... this an email form that was established so they can take care of those people out of the county, so fill out this form and ask away! Here is a map within Prince William County where all their libraries are located. http://www.pwcgov.org/library/AreaLibraries.asp Hope this answers your question. Rhonda Houston -----Original Message----- From: Dee [mailto:deedovey@rica.net] Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 7:41 AM To: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [A-REV] Re: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 I was asking if the RELIC library in Manassas was open to the public or if you have to have a librarcy card there to avail yourself of its services. I have been to the wonderful DAR library in Washington, D.C. I believe there is a fee there, bu it is open to the public. thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dee" <deedovey@rica.net> To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com>; <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: March 30, 2002 12:08 AM Subject: Re: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 I have often wondered if this is open to the public or if you have to have a library card there. Thanks, Dee ----- Original Message ----- From: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: March 29, 2002 9:01 PM Subject: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 ______________________________ ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I was asking if the RELIC library in Manassas was open to the public or if you have to have a librarcy card there to avail yourself of its services. I have been to the wonderful DAR library in Washington, D.C. I believe there is a fee there, bu it is open to the public. thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dee" <deedovey@rica.net> To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com>; <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: March 30, 2002 12:08 AM Subject: Re: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 I have often wondered if this is open to the public or if you have to have a library card there. Thanks, Dee ----- Original Message ----- From: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: March 29, 2002 9:01 PM Subject: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D Digest V02 #80 ______________________________

In a message dated 03/30/2002 12:13:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, deedovey@rica.net writes: << I have often wondered if this is open to the public >> The DAR Library is definitely open to the public (except when the DAR National meeting is there). Check the web site to find out more -- <A HREF="http://www.dar.org/library/default.html">DAR Library - Main</A> http://www.dar.org/library/default.html It is one of the best genealogy libraries in the world with all sorts information -- not just on the American Revolution. Can't wait until I get there in July. Happy Hunting. Phyllis

http://www.rootsweb.com/~nysarato/Sylvester/chap33a.html VIII. - BURIAL-PLACES. Like most other towns along the river, the places of early burial are numerous, and many of them simply on private grounds, subject, unfortunately, to all the changes of ownership, likely at times to fall into the hands of men with no sensibility or feeling on the subject, perhaps sooner or later to be lost to view. The nameless and unnumbered dead of the battle-fields rest everywhere without order or system over several square miles, extending from George Ensign's to Henry Newland's, and from Ebenezer Leggett's to Bemus Heights tavern. No monuments mark their myriad burial-places, and no memorial-stones tell either name or deeds or date. Whigs and royalists, Englishmen and Americans mingled, "in one red burial blent." No thunder of cannon disturbs their deep repose, no bugle-blast wakens them from their long sleep. The ages shall come and go, wars shall desolate other lands, battles shall redden other fields, but the heroes of Bemus Heights long ago fought their last fight. They were buried upon the field of their valor, and their fame has passed into the keeping of the world's imperishable records. The following is a list, perhaps imperfect, of burial-places in town: The new and beautiful cemetery above Stillwater village; the burial-ground over the canal; one near the Methodist chapel; the ancient yard at the Yellow meeting-house; the burial-place at the old Baptist church; the Ketcham family ground, at the corners of that name; the one near Ezra Munger's; the Ensign burial-lot, on one of the finest bluffs of the river hills, overlooking the valley for many miles; the Ruebottom and Vandenburg family lot, on the farm of Mr. Hill; and the one at Bemus Heights, the most fearfully neglected of all. - PLACES OF HISTORIC INTEREST X. - PLACES OF HISTORIC INTEREST. In this respect the town equals any other in the county. Within its limits culminated the great events of the Burgoyne campaign. Here were fought the battles that compelled the surrender at Schuylerville. Strategic points in the march of armies, and their various positions and encampments, are found in abundance through all this valley. The sites of skirmishes, of single midnight attacks, of heroic defenses, are everywhere to be found in the county from "Half-Moon Point" to Baker's Falls, and from the Hudson on the east to the hills that border the west. But in Stillwater there are battle-fields that have challenged the attention of the world; battle-fields where men perished in masses; where the autumnal sun of 1777 shone on hills and plains red with the fearful slaughter of a hotly-contested struggle. A noted writer has counted the battle of Oct. 7 as one of the "fifteen decisive battles of the world." Sweeping down through the sixty centuries of human history, and concentrating its decisive epochs into fifteen, Oct. 7, 1777, is named as one. Unrolling the map of the globe, and looking for the sites of these fifteen memorable contests, Stillwater gathers to itself the glory of one. The time may come in distant ages when the minor events of history shall be lost; when the connecting links shall disappear in the dim past; when the details of campaigns shall grow briefer and still briefer under the effacing hand of receding years; but even then, when the battle history of the world shall be reduced to a few brief points, then STILLWATER, will remain on the record, its glorious deeds secure from the destroying touch of time. Just above the present bridge at Stillwater village was the ancient ferry. Its history no doubt reaches back to the middle of the last century, if not even to the date 1732, which is upon the house of Alfred Gray, on the east side of the river. Over this ferry the first settlers passed from the earlier settled portions of Rensselaer county, and from the New England States to their homes west of the Hudson. And here the army of Burgoyne is said to have crossed on rafts, after the surrender, and from this point took up their line of march through the eastern States for Boston. About a mile northwest of Stillwater Village, on a wooded hill, are remains of intrenchments. The origin of these is not certain. Local tradition assigns them to the French and Indian war of 1756, or to some still earlier period. They may, however, be the works commenced by General Gates, in 1777, on the return of the army from Van Schaick's island, and before it was decided to fortify Bemus Heights. In the village of Stillwater, the Dirck Swart house was deemed worthy of being engraved for Lossing's "Field-Book of the Revolution." It was erected before the Revolutionary war, and no doubt appears now as it did in the olden time, except that it has been kept painted, and perhaps been newly sided. When the northern army in the campaign of 1777 was on the retreat southward, it encamped for a time on the hill where now the Presbyterian and Catholic churches are situated. Just below, on the southeast, General Schuyler had his headquarters at the house of Dirck Swart. It was here that Lieutenant Stockwell and Colonel Willett, escaping from Fort Stanwix and getting through the wilderness, found General Schuyler and asked for help. In this same house was held the council of war, at which Schuyler favored sending reinforcements and his officers opposed. It was here that he overheard an officer remark, "He means to weaken the army," and unconsciously bit his pipe in several pieces in the height of his indignation. It was this council that he abruptly ended by personally assuming the responsibility and accepting Arnold's offer to head a relief-party. It might be noticed that the second term of the circuit court for the new county of Saratoga was held at the Presbyterian church in Stillwater, June 4, 1792. Tracing the river northward, we enter upon the grand historic points of the battle-grounds of Sept. 19 and Oct. 7, 1777. The tavern of John Bemus, whose name was applied to the near uplands west and north, stood on the river-road, as it now runs near the canal, not on the site of the present hotel of Elias Hewitt, but farther north, on a rounded knoll, in the corner between the river-road and the one leading westerly, and just south of the present Dunscomb place. Here may still be seen the old well of the tavern, two or three fruit-trees ancient enough in appearance to have been growing when General Gates was here, and a venerable lilac-bush by the roadside. From near the spot occupied by the house a breastwork extended to the river, reaching the bank just north of the west end of the old float-bridge, marked at the present time by a single buttonwood-tree, formed of two widely-diverging trunks, There was a battery placed here, the remains of which are still to be seen. Here, too, in the vicinity of this same old tavern site, must we commence looking for the line of intrenchments, "three-quarters of a mile in length," thrown up by the army of General Gates on the brow of the river-hill. This line had three batteries; one at each extremity, the other near the centre. The one at the southern end was on the ground occupied by the present school-house or a little southeast of it. The shooting practiced in that old battery was not exactly the same as the present school-ma'ams inculcate when "teaching young ideas how to shoot." To find the site of the second battery, cross the ravine just north of the Dunscomb House, and on the summit of this hill, nearly opposite the canal-bridge, let the best military man in the party choose the ground, for the broad summit has so often been plowed in the hundred years now closing that any attempt at precise location will be difficult, and have quite an element of uncertainty about it. But that this was the summit crowned by the central battery is certain, from the maps of all the authors who have written of the great struggle. Traveling farther north along the line, the position of the battery at the northern extremity will be found on a projecting spur of the hills near the corner of an orchard, and a little northeast of the grave-stones which mark the burial-place of the Vandenburg and Reubottom families. This is on the farm of Mr. Hill, who lives just east, at the foot of the range across the canal. That that was the site of the battery is proved not only by the maps, but by the statement of Mr. Hill that he himself plowed down the intrenchments at that point. This place, too, is described by some writers as the "northeastern angle" of the first intrenchments, at which the east and west line was begun after the battle of the 19th. From this point may be obtained a splendid view of the "alluvial fiats" lying between the hills and the river, narrowed down to a few rods in width at Bemus Heights, where General Gates had fortified the southern extremity, and also narrowed in the same way at Wilbur's basin, where General Burgoyne soon after held the northern pass. The line of the hills is nearly straight, and the river makes a grand curve. It is plain, even to unmilitary eyes, how superior this place is to that at Stillwater village for the purpose of resisting the march of an invading army down the valley. The plain common sense of the Stillwater farmers in the camp, united with the trained engineering skill of Kosciusko, made no mistake when, together, they decided to fortify this pass. The hills near Stillwater village were too distant from the river and from the main road along its banks. Besides the one line from the hills to the river at Bemus' tavern, with its battery by the float-bridge, there was an independent work - not connected to the line of the hills - on the south side of what is sometimes called Mill creek, though just why it has this name old residents find it difficult to explain. The work consisted of a battery at the bank of the river, and a line of intrenchments extending a few rods northwesterly nearly parallel to the creek. Whatever there was of this creek being in late years diverted to the canal, it is only the dry bed of the little stream that is to be seen east of the canal during the summer. The mouth of this creek may easily be found, however, on the farm of Mr. Hill, - before spoken of, - by going to the river on a line bearing a little northeast from his house. South of the creek are very clearly seen the remains of the embankment. These batteries and intrenchments thus described constituted the principal American works at or before the first battle. Traveling now through the northern neck of the alluvial flats (Wilbur's basin), and looking for the historical positions of the British army, we commence northward, just within the town of Saratoga. The "Sword house," supposed to be so called because occupied by a man of that name, may be in some dispute among writers, but local tradition, universal and precise in this case, together with much written historical authority, sustains the following description. The "Sword house" was situated on the present farm of Tunis Flamburg, a little northwest of Robert Searles' residence, across the canal, and just southwest of the farm-bridge. It was a large, gambrel-roofed house, with a wide, old-fashioned hall, through which a yoke of cattle might be driven. Benjamin Searles, father of Robert, took the building down in after-years, and the timber was put into the family residence on the river-road, where Mr. Searles now lives. That house was burned in 1861. -----Original Message----- From: SLWillig [mailto:valcour@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 10:58 AM To: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [A-REV] Old cemeteries long gone Hi, everyone... Below please find a piece transcribed from *The History of Saratoga County, New York* by Nathaniel Sylvester, 1893. This paragraph mentions the disappearance of an old burying ground at Bemus Heights, where a great battle took place within the Battle of Saratoga in the fall of 1777. It is interesting that the author, whose work was published in 1893, was lamenting the disappearance of the old burying ground. It had become a hog pasture. 'Tis a theme that is echoed today, more than two centuries later... Susan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Ezra BUELL was here before the Revolution. His name is frequent in the early records and early history. He was in the battles of Bemus Heights, and was the old guide who went over the battleground with visitors for many years. He was the first crier of the county court. He was a bachelor. His home was with the BACON family. He was buried at Bemus Heights, in the old burial ground. Upon the fallen stone lying upon the grave may be read, "Major Ezra BUELL. Died October 23, 1838, aged ninety. He was a noted Whig in the time of the Revolution, guide to the army." Charles ENSIGN, of the present hotel in Stillwater, well remembers being sent from his father's tavern up the river, when a little boy, to bring Major BUELL to assist visitors in studying up the battleground. The graveyard where the old major sleeps deserves a better destiny than to be turned into a hog pasture, as it now is. The patriotism that would crown these summits with a monument to the memory of the great conflict, may well devote a portion of its strength to marking the late resting place of the individuals who fought and won in this decisive battle." Transcribed by S.L. Willig, 2002 ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi, everyone... Below please find a piece transcribed from *The History of Saratoga County, New York* by Nathaniel Sylvester, 1893. This paragraph mentions the disappearance of an old burying ground at Bemus Heights, where a great battle took place within the Battle of Saratoga in the fall of 1777. It is interesting that the author, whose work was published in 1893, was lamenting the disappearance of the old burying ground. It had become a hog pasture. 'Tis a theme that is echoed today, more than two centuries later... Susan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Ezra BUELL was here before the Revolution. His name is frequent in the early records and early history. He was in the battles of Bemus Heights, and was the old guide who went over the battleground with visitors for many years. He was the first crier of the county court. He was a bachelor. His home was with the BACON family. He was buried at Bemus Heights, in the old burial ground. Upon the fallen stone lying upon the grave may be read, "Major Ezra BUELL. Died October 23, 1838, aged ninety. He was a noted Whig in the time of the Revolution, guide to the army." Charles ENSIGN, of the present hotel in Stillwater, well remembers being sent from his father's tavern up the river, when a little boy, to bring Major BUELL to assist visitors in studying up the battleground. The graveyard where the old major sleeps deserves a better destiny than to be turned into a hog pasture, as it now is. The patriotism that would crown these summits with a monument to the memory of the great conflict, may well devote a portion of its strength to marking the late resting place of the individuals who fought and won in this decisive battle." Transcribed by S.L. Willig, 2002