I would argue that we don't need a 50s sitcom version of the American Revolution to make people familiar with who they are, a more complex but accurate version is better suited to do that. I'm afraid some people have never moved beyond the 50s, sitcom version. Are you aware that the tea thrown over the side at the Boston Tea party was really thrown over because it was afraid its cheap price would break the tea embargo ? Once the price came down they were afraid that people would resume their old tea drinking habits. The trading company had changed its policies so the new tea would be cheaper than the smuggled tea. John Hancock, who was a tea smuggler, had his own reason for protesting the cheap tea. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "A-Flame Corporation" <aflame@fuse.net> To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:14 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [A-REV] Fw: DAR:Sar > Dear Mr. Stokes, > > Perhaps the "Father Knows Best", '50s version of "How the Revolution Was Won", was > an effort to make the point that, we would not be who we are, or where we are today, > had we not won our independence from GB. > > I agree, totally, that their version left a lot out. I thought the post, about the > reason for the Stamp Act, was brilliant. I had never learned this! > > It is also of interest, that England left us alone for over 100 years, before > beginning to interfere, in the mid 1700s. One of my relatives was Frederick Royce, > whose gggrandfather came here in 1642; so, I began to think, "If England left us > alone for 100 years, then his ggrandfather, and his grandfather didn't even know > who the English really were, as there was no connection, no contact"! Certainly, > they didn't spend their time traveling back and forth to England; and, I'm willing > to bet they had very few English visitors. > > One can see how enacting confiscatory taxes, which would limit the use of products, > make books and newspapers more expensive, or certain the failure of businesses, > would cause many to question the need for our relationship with England. > > James Baker > > "James L. Stokes" wrote: > > > I haven't seen any interesting discussion of the American Revolution > > here from the DAR crowd, all I've seen is what one needs to get access to > > the DAR. > > I think the DAR supports a kind of 3rd grade conception of the American > > Revolution, its good guys vs bad guys, Patriots vs Loyalists. They promote > > a kind of mythology about the American Revolution rather than the facts. > > I went to elementary school in the early 50s and I what I learned about > > the American Revolution was awful. It was won by the founding fathers and > > the was nothing about the average soldier. Nothing about their being a > > draft in Pennsylvania, nothing about black soldiers, nothing about the fact > > that the British were also fighting the French, Dutch and Spanish at the > > same time and so had larger issues than the colonies in North America. > > Nothing about the fact that 1/3 supported the war, 1/3 were opposed and 1/3 > > were neutral. When I was in school they turned the American Revolution > > into > > some kind of 50's sit-com. I thnk the DAR continues that kind of attitude > > today. > > > > Jim > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "A-Flame Corporation" <aflame@fuse.net> > > > To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 5:45 PM > > > Subject: Re: [A-REV] Fw: DAR:Sar > > > > > > > > > > I must respond! > > > > > > > > It is my firm belief that our history is not being adequately taught, at > > > all levels > > > > in school. I hope that the DAR/SAR organizations are addressing this > > > problem. > > > > > > > > It is easier to fight for a country, when you know why we are all here! > > > It is > > > > easier to know where you are going, if you know where you have been! > > > > > > > > James Baker > > > > > > > > "James L. Stokes" wrote: > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "James L. Stokes" <jlstokes@supernet.com> > > > > > To: <Scrapcat2@aol.com> > > > > > Cc: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 5:10 PM > > > > > Subject: DAR:Sar > > > > > > > > > > Just a reminder, the American revolution wasn't fought so people > > > could > > > > > join the DAR or SAR. > > > > > Lets try not to trivialize it. > > > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: <Scrapcat2@aol.com> > > > > > > To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:19 PM > > > > > > Subject: [A-REV] Re: Military Service & DAR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/3/2002 12:03:26 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > > > > > AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Remember, lots of ancestors in the Rev. War never saw military > > > > > service. > > > > > > > > They > > > > > > > > signed a petition, they gave money and aid to the War effort, > > they > > > > > were > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > local constable, etc. , You need to check with the NSDAR re > > this > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > their records will indicate what kind of service your ancestor > > > > > > performed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is really good advice. There are a number of types of War > > > effort > > > > > > > services performed by a Patirot that allows a descendant to join > > the > > > DAR > > > > > > or > > > > > > > SAR. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carol > > > > > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > > > records, > > > > > > go to: > > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > records, go to: > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, > > > go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Dear Ms Driskill, Perhaps you refer to those who lived in New England. One needs a broader perspective. What about those who lived further inland, who established farms or small businesses to support the smaller outlying settlements? What about those who did not arrive from England, coming instead from Germany, Ireland, Wales, France, and elsewhere? What about those who spoke no English? Do you know of any Germans who wished to be proud Englishmen? Irish? Welsh? French? I think not! It would not seem likely (or even normal), that after 100 years of farming, after 3 generations of family, that those who were successful, of any descent, would feel less than totally independent! Only independent personalities would have emigrated to the colonies, from any country, unless they were forced. Those who came as children, inherited the independent spirit of their elders. One does not make a journey of thousands of miles, to fawn at the feet of royal pretense. I have not read the book to which you refer; and my comments are based on how I would feel, if this were my situation, and from my observations of others during my lifetime. There are, to my knowledge, no writings left by my ancient relatives, to indicate their opinions during this period. I would accept nothing less; as others here have indicated, 1/3rd of the population was with England, 1/3rd was for independence, and 1/3rd just wanted to get on with it. My guess would be that as one moved further inland, and had less contact with city folk, especially those in the Boston / Philadelphia / Washington area, the more removed, and the more independent, they would feel. After all, they were not subsidized, there was no safety net of any kind; so, if they could survive, and support a family, and their family, and their family…..well, this would have to be the making of a very strong, independent group of people, who really needed no one else to survive. You do not suddenly present yourself on the doorstep of such a person, stating that they are to be taxed, to support the losses of a foreign power, as the result of a costly foreign war, without a fight. Not at my house! The English further aggravated this situation by being so very open in their criticism of the scruffy dress, poor eating habits, and the less than elegant housing of the colonists. They were arrogant and rude! The surnames of my ancestors, from whom I’m directly descended (there are many indirect connections) are: Royce, Rogers, Hall, Painter, and Trotter. Having met three of my great grandfathers, it can truthfully be said they were a difficult, independent, opinionated lot, not an easy audience. If their great grandfathers were anything like them, eventual independence was inevitable. Had we not won when we did, the revolution would have been England’s Vietnam! Respectfully, James Edward Baker Margaret Driskill wrote: > Mr. Baker, > > No offense intended, sir, but you really need to brush up on History. David McCullough's book, JOHN ADAMS is a light, well researched book that will give you first hand knowledge of the Revolution and how the folks felt. Just the most recent of hundreds of books. > > They were/had been/ and thought they would be forever proud ENGLISHMEN/WOMEN. There was regular business/transportation/communication/visitation with England. Much to much to get into on this List. > > Regards, > Margaret Driskill > mdriskill@att.net > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Len, The following appears to offer such: THE STORY OF THE CONTINENTAL ARMY, 1775-1783, by Lynn Montross, Reprinted by Barnes & Noble, Inc., New York, 1967, Formerly published as RAG, TAG, AND BOBTAIL, by Harper & Brothers, 1952. (Bunker Hill troop strength and casualty lists, Maps) There are some Connecticut names and other references at this website: http://members.tripod.com/~grgordon/bunkerhi.htm Hope it is of some help, Jan Leonard Easton wrote: > Is there anywhere published a list of those patriots killed during the > battle of Bunker/Breeds Hill? > > Len > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Is there anywhere published a list of those patriots killed during the battle of Bunker/Breeds Hill? Len

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My part-time work (as a retiree) and avocation center around the study of the Revolutionary War both in my local area and elsewhere. I just stopped to think what individuals, agencies or groups in my area seemed to be the most effective in telling the story of the Revolutionary War. These came to mind, in no particular order: Regional non-profit groups locating, purchasing, and preserving Revolutionary War battle sites County historical society sponsoring symposium to consider new research on disputed RW subject Retired college educator writing historically accurate RW fiction and non-fiction targeted at teen-agers National park book store grants to encourage published research on regional RW topics. Retired history and map enthusiast locates and maps sites of RW battles New state park created to interpret RW battle site Historian continues to publish thoroughly researched annotated journals of the RW Independent researcher publishes book to correct an historical injustice of the RW Small town launches their first-ever re-enactment of the RW skirmish in their town Retiree has for many years spoken to area school groups on the RW (and other) history of the area. Organization annually re-enacts battle trek of several weeks crossing mountains, presenting programs along the way. Husband/wife team re-enact life as it was during the RW (crafts, skills, etc.) I wonder how similar lists would look for other areas. John Robertson

I think membership should be open to all people. Many of us had relative that served in the American Revlotionary, as for some reason or other the papers and records are lost. It is a shame that these people are shut out. They too have much to contribute and are part of our American Heritage. Ann Keegan

Dear Mr. Stokes, Perhaps the "Father Knows Best", '50s version of "How the Revolution Was Won", was an effort to make the point that, we would not be who we are, or where we are today, had we not won our independence from GB. I agree, totally, that their version left a lot out. I thought the post, about the reason for the Stamp Act, was brilliant. I had never learned this! It is also of interest, that England left us alone for over 100 years, before beginning to interfere, in the mid 1700s. One of my relatives was Frederick Royce, whose gggrandfather came here in 1642; so, I began to think, "If England left us alone for 100 years, then his ggrandfather, and his grandfather didn't even know who the English really were, as there was no connection, no contact"! Certainly, they didn't spend their time traveling back and forth to England; and, I'm willing to bet they had very few English visitors. One can see how enacting confiscatory taxes, which would limit the use of products, make books and newspapers more expensive, or certain the failure of businesses, would cause many to question the need for our relationship with England. James Baker "James L. Stokes" wrote: > I haven't seen any interesting discussion of the American Revolution > here from the DAR crowd, all I've seen is what one needs to get access to > the DAR. > I think the DAR supports a kind of 3rd grade conception of the American > Revolution, its good guys vs bad guys, Patriots vs Loyalists. They promote > a kind of mythology about the American Revolution rather than the facts. > I went to elementary school in the early 50s and I what I learned about > the American Revolution was awful. It was won by the founding fathers and > the was nothing about the average soldier. Nothing about their being a > draft in Pennsylvania, nothing about black soldiers, nothing about the fact > that the British were also fighting the French, Dutch and Spanish at the > same time and so had larger issues than the colonies in North America. > Nothing about the fact that 1/3 supported the war, 1/3 were opposed and 1/3 > were neutral. When I was in school they turned the American Revolution > into > some kind of 50's sit-com. I thnk the DAR continues that kind of attitude > today. > > Jim > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "A-Flame Corporation" <aflame@fuse.net> > > To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 5:45 PM > > Subject: Re: [A-REV] Fw: DAR:Sar > > > > > > > I must respond! > > > > > > It is my firm belief that our history is not being adequately taught, at > > all levels > > > in school. I hope that the DAR/SAR organizations are addressing this > > problem. > > > > > > It is easier to fight for a country, when you know why we are all here! > > It is > > > easier to know where you are going, if you know where you have been! > > > > > > James Baker > > > > > > "James L. Stokes" wrote: > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "James L. Stokes" <jlstokes@supernet.com> > > > > To: <Scrapcat2@aol.com> > > > > Cc: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 5:10 PM > > > > Subject: DAR:Sar > > > > > > > > Just a reminder, the American revolution wasn't fought so people > > could > > > > join the DAR or SAR. > > > > Lets try not to trivialize it. > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: <Scrapcat2@aol.com> > > > > > To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:19 PM > > > > > Subject: [A-REV] Re: Military Service & DAR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/3/2002 12:03:26 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > > > > AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Remember, lots of ancestors in the Rev. War never saw military > > > > service. > > > > > > > They > > > > > > > signed a petition, they gave money and aid to the War effort, > they > > > > were > > > > > a > > > > > > > local constable, etc. , You need to check with the NSDAR re > this > > > > > because > > > > > > > their records will indicate what kind of service your ancestor > > > > > performed. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is really good advice. There are a number of types of War > > effort > > > > > > services performed by a Patirot that allows a descendant to join > the > > DAR > > > > > or > > > > > > SAR. > > > > > > > > > > > > Carol > > > > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > > records, > > > > > go to: > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Dear Ann, >>>>>>They too have much to contribute and are part of our American Heritage. Ann Keegan>>>>>>> If one has "much to contribute and are part of our American Heritage", you certainly do not need membership in DAR or SAR to accomplish your volunteer desires. Margaret

I hope this narrative answers a few questions recently posed on this list. As a bicentennial project a quarter century ago, I attempted to catalog all those residents who served during the Rev War and who lived in a small unincorporated Maine town before, during and/or after the war. This area now comprises the towns of Prospect, Stockton Springs and most of the town of Searsport, Maine. In 1775 there were about 40 families settled, in 1790 there were about 75 families settled, in 1810 216 families and 1830 398 families. I spent a lot of effort on the project including searching everything in NARS M-804 and M-805 (and some M-246) and the Rev War records of Massachustts (then included Maine), NH, RI, CT and the Continental Army. I also found two men in the Continental Navy, one deserter from the Britsh Army, one deserter from the German mercenaries [Braunschweiger], and an active Loyalist spy. Perhaps a local bias was the fact that nearby Fort Pownall was manned 1759-1775, being dismantled 16 April 1775, three days before Lexington and Concord. Although it was a small garrison, many of the young men were recruited in July 1775 (following the events at Bunker's Hill). The second bias was the British occupation of Penobscot July 1779 to Jan 1784 which resulted in some families moving to the west for refuge or at least sending their teenage sons to safety. This study was made a long time ago and the details are probably in a file box in the barn (maybe a mouse nest by now!) so I must rely on an aging memory. Here are my recollections: 1775-1777 Although most of the unmarried males living locally volunteered and served, by 1777 the 'glory of war' had tarnished and I can not recall a voluntary enlistment by a local after 1777 except for "Crazy Hate" Hatevil Colson, a local character of note who served July 1775 to Dec 1783. 1777-1779 A few men serving in the local militia regiment were called to active duty during the 1777 incident at Machias and agaign during the 1779 Penobscot Expedition. 1779-1783 A few families were forced from their homes and their young men served in the Regiment left at Camden to guard the Bay. My present recollection is that an estimated 80% of the unmarried males aged 18 to 25 served in some military capacity. Of the married men under age 40, only those under 30 with children served and then it was a rare few. Although there was a local company of militia, the officer's never served in a military capacity. Most of those who served and settled after the war had served as young men. The exceptions are a Captain of the Charlestown RI milita company who settled in 1787 and a Lieutenant in the Westery RI artillery battery who purchased land locally in 1775 but did not settle until after the peace. As for pensioneers, I would guess that only around 40% of the men who served (or their widows) ever received a pension. A few of those who applied for a pension were rejected because they could not prove to the satisfaction of the pension board that they had served the rquired time. After the 1818 act the local courthouses were visited by an officer of the Pensions Board from Washington DC who personally interviewed each man. As a rule he was seeking a discharge paper, a notarized deposition from a commanding officer stating the man's service record, and/or three sworn depositions from men who served with the applicant. There are some interesting comments buried in the attestation comments. I cannot recall anyone who served in the Continental Army being rejected. It is apparent from the notes that the Pensions Board checked the muster rolls and other records then in its possession. I only found two cases where the applicant claimed service of a longer duration than was performed. In one case the former commanding officer said that the actual service was less than two months. The second case was a cruise on a warship which lasted less than six months -- the man's service record stating enlistment and discharge dates exists today -- he served only about twenty-two weeks; however, his pension was approved based on oral testimony. The act of 1818 required the man to be in the need for support whereas the later act did not have that requirement. I think that the principal reason that so many who served but did not receive pensions was that the either did not need one in 1818 or else they had died before the need requirement was removed. In the 1840 US census, the town had a population of 3492 in 605 families but there were only 3 pensioners remaining. I didn't have much luck with the DAR records and in a couple of cases ended up challenging several claims because the service record didn't match the descendants. Yes, all this info was passed to the DAR through the local chapter president. Today I probably would start with Virgil D. White, _Genealogical Abstracts of Revolutionary War Pension Files_, 4 volumes, 5266 pages (vol 4 has the index containing 399,096 full names). Key in the series title is the word "abstracts" -- if you find your party, you should read the entire file because there is a 99% chance you'll find something important which has been omitted from the extract. Bob Brooks

Mr. Baker, No offense intended, sir, but you really need to brush up on History. David McCullough's book, JOHN ADAMS is a light, well researched book that will give you first hand knowledge of the Revolution and how the folks felt. Just the most recent of hundreds of books. They were/had been/ and thought they would be forever proud ENGLISHMEN/WOMEN. There was regular business/transportation/communication/visitation with England. Much to much to get into on this List. Regards, Margaret Driskill mdriskill@att.net

I don't think the education of our children re the American revolution is the resposibility of the DAR/SAR. It is the responsibility of the public schools( which we pay for through our taxes). It is the responsibility of parents to support the schools through school boards and volunteering... If we don't like what our children are taught we should work to change the curriculum or supplement the information being taught. Jenny

In Texas (and elsewhere), the DAR Society has scholarships for teachers education at several universities, American Indian Scholarship fund, we have donated the Revolutionary War microfilm series to the Dallas Public Library, there are Armed Services and ROTC awards, the local DAR libraries and the National Library, we have filmed for preservation documents in various states and many are available through the FHC Library. We have rescued and restored historical homes and buildings and battle sites, maintain museums, donate funds and furnishings for the White House and other historical buildings open to the public. There is a NSDAR Computerization Project, Tombstone Memorial Project, awards for motion pictures, radio and television programing for historic, education or patriotic purposes. Publish a national magazine, "American Spirit" . If anyone cares to subscribe sned a check for $18.00 payable to Treasurer General, NSDAR DAR Magazine Office, 1776 D. Street, NW Washington, DC 20006-5303 This subscription can also be made as a gift to a school in your area. All of this and more are the activities of the DAR chapters and which are financed by donations from the membership which includes little old ladies in tennis shoes and living on social security as active members. Times have changed. Tree Mother ----- Original Message ----- From: James L. Stokes <jlstokes@supernet.com> To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 11:31 PM Subject: [A-REV] Fw: Fw: DAR:Sar > Hi Carol, > I wasn't trying to single you out, yours was just the last in a long line of messages, all seemed focused on joining the DAR. I see the DAR as a social organization, I don't think they do anything serious to better understand the American Revolution. > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Scrapcat2@aol.com > To: jlstokes@supernet.com > Cc: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 6:02 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: DAR:Sar > > > In a message dated 6/4/2002 4:14:44 PM Central Daylight Time, jlstokes@supernet.com writes: > > > > Cc: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 5:10 PM > Subject: DAR:Sar > > Just a reminder, the American revolution wasn't fought so people could join the DAR or SAR. Lets try not to trivialize it. Jim > > > Jim... thank you for your note. Years ago, I would have said that same thing. I always pictured the DAR as a "social organization". Some months ago, I was invited to attend a DAR meeting as a guest and was amazed at the dedication of the women to the history of the American Revolution, reverence and respect for what our ancestors did to allow us to live in a free country, and a total commitment to what America stands for. In the last six months, I've faithfully attended the monthly meetings and have learned so much about the history and events of the Revolution and what it means to be a patriotic American today. > > In addition, I've gone to the DAR in library in Washington and was awestruck at the research materials available to the public wanting to to research the subject. The DAR Members go out to the schools and present programs on the importance of the American Revolution and at what expense the Patriots fought for our freedoms. > > I certainly did not intend to trivialize what my ancestors did during the American Revolution. What I have learned has made me realize their great personal sacrifices. My 6th great grandmother saw her husband, all 5 sons and many of her grandsons fight and win a war. I can't imagine the anguish she went through. My commitment to the DAR is in respect for her and those who fought. > > This list is certainly not the place to debate an organization's goals, but I did want to share my thoughts with you and respond to your message. > > Carol Kennedy > > > > > > > > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Jenny wrote: > supplement the information being taught > That is exactly what the DAR/SAR is doing by presenting programs in the schools, sponsoring essay contests, etc. Lynn Airheart Brandvold Another proud member of DAR James Inskeep wrote: > I don't think the education of our children re the American revolution is the resposibility of the DAR/SAR. It is the responsibility of the public schools( which we pay for through our taxes). It is the responsibility of parents to support the schools through school boards and volunteering... If we don't like what our children are taught we should work to change the curriculum or supplement the information being taught. Jenny > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Here is the link: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=1832+%22Stat.+529%22 ewbranham wrote: > Using info posted by Ed I did a web search typing in 1832 "Stat. 529" (for you novices the quotation marks direct your computer to search for the contents as a phrase) and found all of the info that I need to understand the various pensions. Thanks again for the help... and hope this helps someone else in turn. > > Elaine > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I have aquired the book "Freedom of the Press in England, 1476 - 1776" by Fredrick Seaton Siebert (1952) (Library of Congress Catalogue # 52-5892) from the college book shelf of books being discarded or just ' given away' from our local community college...I guess they were cleaning their shelves...their rubish is presently my treasure...I wanted to share something I learned that I had no knowledge of... As a side view of understanding further of what our stamp tax did, this is what the 'original' stamp act was supposed to do -> Interestingly, the First Stamp Tax in England took place in 1693, and then, again in 1703, 1704, and then again in 1714, via the House of Lords which acted as a substitue method of controlling freedom of the press. They taxed the printers; the more pages that made up their paper, booklet, book, equated a more expensive price for that particular paper goods. This ultimately caused the price of the printer's news to become too expensive for the lower classes to read, and of course, those were the ones who wanted to be kept informed and who had alot to loose when kept isolated from what was actually going on at that time. This taxation was also a way the monarch could 'legally' spread false news, pointing out the increase in heretical, seditious and scandalous publication since the expiration of th Acts for the Regulation of Printing, which meant the monarch could order that 'the publication of false news or of books of this kind is to stop" which is defined as contrived censorship. this press control system of the eighteenth century rested on four supports: (1) stamp tax which eliminated a large number of marginal newspapers and rendered those whoich survived financially unstable and therefore susceptible to subsidizaton (2) the system of subsidization as represented by ministerial writers and the ministrerial press (3) strict control of public discussions of the proceedings in Parliament, and (4)active prosecution of the laws of seditious libel. Although the increasingly heavy stamp duties on newspapers and periodicals were applied to both opposition and ministerial press alike, the latter was able to obtain such advantages as ready acess to news sources and free distribution through the postal system as well as direct financial assistance from the Treasury. So, England by the time she had us as colonies, had this stamp tax perfected...and now I am beginning to understand how they applied this concept to us and why we ultimately took the action that we did. Rhonda Houston -----Original Message----- From: starbabe1936 [mailto:STARBABE1936@webtv.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 10:52 PM To: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [A-REV] freedom of choice with out representation Thats what our fore fathers fought for, taxation without representation, rights, constitution, and what a good job they did for they have lasted us all these years and served us well, and they would not want us to lose any of what they fought for and won. My 3rd. great grand father that i know of fought and believe others also. know that The Patriot " Terrence O'Connor " the pioneer, enlisted in Sept. 1776 in Prince William Co.,Va. in the Virginia Continental Troops under Col. Daniel Morgan, commanded by General Woodford, serving three years ,two months, discharged by Woodford at Bush encampment on North River, On his tombstone it reads "A Soldier Of The Revolution, An Associate Of Washington And Lafayette" stella ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

The request for finding Rev. War pension applications was fun because I had to look in places I'd never gone before to come up with something that I had no idea where it existed!!! The information I couldn't find within "Article III" (which is the) "Judicial Department" within the 'United States Constitution'; I have been left with the impression this Act of 1832 won't be found there, but its ORIGINS are within the pages of the early resolutions of the Continental Congress. I could find no mention within "Article III" of the Constitution and couldn't find any mention of the Judiciary Act of 1832(4 Stat. 529). However, THEN, I FOUND THIS!! http://www.ketoctin.8m.com/Pensions.html This website seems to have it ALL and at the bottom of the website this is what it says: The above information was taken verbatum from the American Revolution message board for genealogy.com. It was written and posted as message #3250 by Ed, a historian on the American Revolution. My question is, is this the list's very own Ed St.Germain (aliasly referred to as the) [Patriot1@americanrevolution.org]???????????? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Here's another wonderful discovery made, which I would guess no one on the list was aware of existed! Hope I'm correct on this which would make it even better. If some did know, I'd wonder why they hadn't shared by now!! http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pensions/ The US GenWeb Archives is embarking on the US GenWeb Archives Pension Project. This project will endeavor to provide actual transcriptions of Pension related materials for all Wars prior to 1900. Transcripts, extracts and abstracts will be accepted and files will be placed in the USGenWeb Archives directory of the State and County of principal residence of the Pensioner. (PENSION APPLICATIONS by Joyce M. Godfrey) A list of Wars are included that are being considered for this project, and is provided for the genealogist, and a US GenWeb Archive Volunteer who will be coordinating the Pension collection effort for each of the Wars. (One couldn't ask for anything more...well, I might rephrase this later... http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pensions/revwar/ The US GenWeb Archives is embarking on the US GenWeb Archives Pension Project. This project will endeavor to provide actual transcriptions of Pension related materials for all Wars prior to 1900. Transcripts, extracts and abstracts will be accepted and files will be placed in the USGenWeb Archives directory of the State and County of principal residence of the Pensioner. You are welcome to submit your pension files at the Revolutionary Pension Forum. ********* http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pensions/revwar/classes.htm Source: Sprague's Journal of Maine History Vol. V November, December, January 1917-18 No. 4 pages 191-193 An Alphabetical Index of Revolutionary Pensioners Lining in Maine. Complied by Charles A. Flagg, Librarian, Bangor, (Maine) Public Library. Published by John Francis Sprague, Dover, ME Rhonda Houston -----Original Message----- From: ewbranham [mailto:ewbranham@carolina.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:35 PM To: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [A-REV] Act Of Congress passed June 7, 1832 I find many references to the Act of Congress, passed June 7, 1832, which prompted the flurry of Rev. War pension applications now on file. Does anyone know where... on the web... the actual text of the Act of Congress can be found? ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Atta BOY CHRIS!!!! Edbld wrote: > Much deserved Kudos to you Christopher !!!!!!!!!!!!! > Edd Sinnett in Florida. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christopher T. Smithson" <wsmithso@erols.com> > To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:22 AM > Subject: Re: [A-REV] Re: Fw: DAR:Sar > > > Ladies & Gentlemen - > > > > I serve as the State Genealogist for the MD Society, SAR. I am only 22 > > years old and part of the youngest generation in the SAR. > > > > I have also served as President of the local SAR Chapter here in Harford > > County, MD and currently the Chapter Secretary. > > > > The chapter that I belong to basically was in a down fall and the charter > > was about to be thrown in. So I saved it... We went from 17 members to > now > > 35 and growing. > > > > I organized a NEW Children of the American Revolution under the chapters > > sponsorship; researching with chapter members in getting an archelogy dig > in > > a possible Revolutionary War Encampment site; working with prosepctive > > members to get them in; working with the local DAR Chapter in taking care > of > > a local historical builting... > > > > The one sad thing is that only 1 to 3% of the members of the Children of > the > > American Revolution join either parent organization... I myself am one of > > that 1 to 3%. > > > > My parents were not really interested, but now I have my father in who is > > the current State Secretary for the MD Society... > > > > The MD Society also stated a Patriots Program in the 5th Grade in the > > Elementary schools here in Maryland. The kids had to cite 11 different > > patriotic phases; state all names of 50 states/capitals; all US Presidents > > on and on... > > > > Tomorrow I will be presenting an awards to 56 students from ONE school who > > completed the PATRIOTS PROGRAM... > > > > The SAR also has a Citizenship Award, Knight Essay Contest for High School > > students; the latter involves prize money... There is also an Eagle > Scout > > awards and an Oration Contest at the High School level... > > > > Where some of the youth programs lack is in the middle schools/junior > high.. > > > > QUESTION - Is DAR doing anything for middle school age kids.. > > > > For someone to say DAR and SAR is a social club.. Wrong.. > > > > That was in the old days... This is the 21st Century... > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Christopher T. Smithson > > State Genealogist, MDSSAR > > Secretary, Col. Aquila Hall Chapter, MDSSAR > > Senior Pres., Bush Declaration Society, NSCAR > > http://users.starpower.net/wsmithso/sarindex.html > > http://users.starpower.net/wsmithso/bushdecsoc.html > > > > > > > > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I have a question about the letters and numbers following a soldier's name that is listed in the "Abstracts of Revolutionary War Pension Files." Most soldier's records begin with a "W", an "S", an "R", or "BLW". I recall reading that the letters signify something about the pension, so I am asking for a review of what the letters mean? Barb Van Hout

Much deserved Kudos to you Christopher !!!!!!!!!!!!! Edd Sinnett in Florida. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher T. Smithson" <wsmithso@erols.com> To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [A-REV] Re: Fw: DAR:Sar > Ladies & Gentlemen - > > I serve as the State Genealogist for the MD Society, SAR. I am only 22 > years old and part of the youngest generation in the SAR. > > I have also served as President of the local SAR Chapter here in Harford > County, MD and currently the Chapter Secretary. > > The chapter that I belong to basically was in a down fall and the charter > was about to be thrown in. So I saved it... We went from 17 members to now > 35 and growing. > > I organized a NEW Children of the American Revolution under the chapters > sponsorship; researching with chapter members in getting an archelogy dig in > a possible Revolutionary War Encampment site; working with prosepctive > members to get them in; working with the local DAR Chapter in taking care of > a local historical builting... > > The one sad thing is that only 1 to 3% of the members of the Children of the > American Revolution join either parent organization... I myself am one of > that 1 to 3%. > > My parents were not really interested, but now I have my father in who is > the current State Secretary for the MD Society... > > The MD Society also stated a Patriots Program in the 5th Grade in the > Elementary schools here in Maryland. The kids had to cite 11 different > patriotic phases; state all names of 50 states/capitals; all US Presidents > on and on... > > Tomorrow I will be presenting an awards to 56 students from ONE school who > completed the PATRIOTS PROGRAM... > > The SAR also has a Citizenship Award, Knight Essay Contest for High School > students; the latter involves prize money... There is also an Eagle Scout > awards and an Oration Contest at the High School level... > > Where some of the youth programs lack is in the middle schools/junior high.. > > QUESTION - Is DAR doing anything for middle school age kids.. > > For someone to say DAR and SAR is a social club.. Wrong.. > > That was in the old days... This is the 21st Century... > > Sincerely, > > Christopher T. Smithson > State Genealogist, MDSSAR > Secretary, Col. Aquila Hall Chapter, MDSSAR > Senior Pres., Bush Declaration Society, NSCAR > http://users.starpower.net/wsmithso/sarindex.html > http://users.starpower.net/wsmithso/bushdecsoc.html > > > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >