http://www.rootsweb.com/~vermont/VERMONTGATEWAY.html Be sure to explore it throughout! There has been some new found records! Rhonda Houston

All - There were quite a few French troops who fought with the American patriots in the American Revolution. Regardless of whether they were technically "French troops" or Frenchmen serving as "American troops", I think most of us understood what Chris was talking about... I would also be interested in those listings, as one of my ancestors reportedly was a Frenchman who fought in the American Revolution. My ggg-grandfather, Jean (later John) Geandreau, is listed in the register of "Les Combattants Francais De Le Guerre Americaine,", 1778-1783, of a list of French participants in the Revolutionary War. He was among the French troops in the squadron of the Count de Ternay, who sailed to America aboard the French ship, "Le Neptune," in February 1780, and June 1783. I would love to get more information on him. I would be interested in getting (or at least accessing) a copy of that book, and in knowing whether there are additional records about that service. Also, I'm curious how DAR treats those soldiers? My Jean Geandreau went back to France and served with Napoleon, and didn't return to the United States until the early 1800's... Thanks - Marsha King Grady

Greetings, A very interesting book online at - http://docsouth.unc.edu/nell/nell.html#nell13 Part of the 'Documenting the American South Project' Title: The Colored Patriots of the American Revolution by William Cooper Nell Published: 1855, Boston Authors Preface: ........ I was born on Beacon Hill, and from early childhood, have loved to visit the Eastern wing of the State House, and read the four stones taken from the monument that once towered from its summit. One contains the following inscription:-- "Americans, while from this eminence scenes of luxuriant fertility, of flourishing commerce, and the abodes of social happiness, meet your view, forget not those who by their exertions have secured to you these blessings." These words became indelibly impressed upon my mind, and have contributed their share in the production of this book, which, like the labors of "Old Mortality," rendered immortal by the genius of Scott, I humbly trust will deepen in the heart and conscience of this nation the sense of justice, that will ere long manifest itself in deeds worthy a people who, "free themselves," should be "foremost to make free." WILLIAM C. NELL. BOSTON, October, 1855. [end] Just one very small excerpt - " Many of the slaves who engaged in the battle were induced to do so from promises of freedom; but the sequel proved that a false hope had been held out to them, numbers being ordered to the cotton-fields to resume their Page 299 unrequited toil, for the benefit of those for whom their own lives had been jeoparded on the bloody field of battle. The British took advantage of these violated pledges, and induced many colored Americans, panting for the freedom which, theirs as a birthright, had been confirmed by deeds of valor and patriotism, to accept free homes under the banner of England. ANTHONY GILL was one of the soldiers remanded to work again for his master, when he was accosted by General Packenham, who, learning that he was a slave, told him to put down his hoe, follow him, and become a free man. He did so; and is now undisputed owner of fifty-two acres of free soil, in St. Johns, N. B. His son resides in Boston, Mass. This is but one of numerous instances, of which there are abundant testimonies. "When the British evacuated Charleston, in 1782, (says Ramsay, in his History of South Carolina,) Governor Matthews demanded the restoration of some thousands of negroes who were within their lines. These, however, were but a small part of the whole taken away at the evacuation, but that number is very inconsiderable when compared with the thousands that were lost from the first to the last of the war. It has been computed by good judges, that, between the years 1775 and 1783, the State of South Carolina lost TWENTY-FIVE THOUSAND NEGROES." [At least a fifth part of all the slaves in the State at the beginning of the war.] Page 300 "The forces under the command of General Provost marched through the richest settlements of the State, where are the fewest white inhabitants in proportion to the number of slaves. The hapless Africans, allured with the hope of freedom, forsook their owners, and repaired in great numbers to the Royal Army. They endeavored to recommend themselves to their new masters by discovering where their owners had concealed their property, and were assisting in carrying it off." And the same candid historian, describing the invasion of next year says:--"The slaves a second time flocked to the British Army." Dr. Ramsay, being a native and resident of Charleston, enjoyed every facility for ascertaining the facts in the case; but his testimony does not stand alone; Col. Lee, of Virginia, in his "Memoirs of the War in the Southern Department," confirms the statement. "Lord Dunmore, Governor of Virginia, (says Burke, in his History of Virginia,) after escaping from Williamsburg, in 1775, to a vessel in James River, offered liberty to those slaves who would join him. It appears, from the history, that one hundred of them were soon after enumerated among his forces. How many more joined him does not appear." Mr. Jefferson, then Secretary of State, in a letter to Hammond, Minister of Great Britain, dated Philadelphia, December 15, 1791, says:--"On withdrawing the troops from New York, a large embarkation of negroes, the Page 301 property of the inhabitants of the United States, took place. A very great number was carried off in private vessels, without admitting the inspection of the American Commissioners." In the Secret Journal of the Continental Congress, under date of March 29, 1799, we find the following:--"The Committee, appointed to take into consideration the circumstances of the Southern States, and the ways and means for their safety and defence, report that the State of South Carolina .... [end quote]

The following are items culled from websites sent me by Stella ( STARBABE1936@webtv.net). They do not tell whether Jonathan Trumbull was a royal governor, but they do tell that he was not elected. While the office of governor was an elected office in Colonial Connecticut, Jonathan Trumbull was Deputy Governor (presumably akin to modern-day Lieutenant Governor) when the then-governor William Pitkin (not Fitch, as I stated) died in office, on October 1, 1769. Trumbull then became governor. Incidentally, terms like "Brother Jonathan" were used by the British occupying Boston for New Englanders they viewed as puritanically pious. How the name came to be applied by Washington to his friend Trumbull we can only guess. My guess is it was his way of making fun of the British for their way of making fun of Americans. Stella tells me there is more interesting information about J Trumbull in the material she sent to me, but I have yet to find it. When and if I do I'll pass it on to those who still want to see it. Anne The Political Graveyard: Index to Politicians http://politicalgraveyard.com/bio/trumbull.html Colonial Governors of CT William Pitkin, Gov 1766-69 died in office, Oct 1, 1769, Jonathan Trumbull Colonial Governor of Connecticut, 1769-1776 Governor of Connecticut, 1776-1784 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------- http://ad.doubleclick.net/758124/cool5.html Trumbull, Jonathan, 1710–85, colonial governor of Connecticut, b. Lebanon, Conn. He was prominent in the colony after 1733, serving in the assembly, of which he became speaker, and in other offices. He was chief justice of the superior court and deputy governor before becoming governor in 1769. He served until 1784 and rendered great services to George Washington in the American Revolution. There is a tradition that the name Brother Jonathan, for an American, arose from a remark of Washington about Trumbull. See biographies by J. Trumbull (1919), a descendant, and G. Weaver (1956). [I'll add this: Trumbull was a storekeeper in Lebanon, CT, and had helped supply the military during the French & Indian War. This gave him the experienece and know-how for supplying the Continental Army later on. During the Revolutionary War, Trumbull and the council of war held meetings, many of them at least, at the store in Lebanon. Anne]

New clues to finding Revolution vets The Georgia Society, Sons of the American Revolution, has just published "Georgia Revolutionary Soldiers & Sailors, Patriots & Pioneers." Atlanta Journal-Constitution, June 2, 2002. Rhonda Houston

List: Re my last message on the Rediscovering George Washington TV special, for those within driving distance, there will be a "Sneak Preview" showing of this new production in the theater of the public library in Fredericksburg VA ("Where Washington Grew Up") at 2 PM on Sunday June 23, 2002. Best regards, Ed -- For Revolutionary War information on the Internet, your first choice should be AMERICANREVOLUTION.ORG

Rediscovering George Washington WHAT DO PUNCH & JUDY, PRESIDENT GEORGE H. W. BUSH, AND THE OSCARS HAVE TO DO WITH THE FATHER OF OUR COUNTRY? FOLLOW HISTORIAN RICHARD BROOKHISER ON HIS PERSONAL JOURNEY. PREMIERES JULY 4, 2002 ON PBS AT 9:30PM (check local listing) Most Americans know three things about George Washington-he crossed the Delaware, he was the first President, and he grew hemp at Mount Vernon. Their only image of him is the old man with false teeth on the quarter and the dollar bill. He is an icon and a myth. But his strength of character and personal conduct set the course for our successful democratic experiment. Rediscovering George Washington, a 90-minute documentary, takes a fresh look at our founding father and reintroduces him to his heirs as a living, breathing, and truly remarkable human being. The program pioneers a fresh approach to American biographical documentary. Richard Brookhiser, the writer and host, is a passionate and involved presence, not an off-camera narrator. Brookhiser looks for modern analogs for the events and dilemmas Washington faced-getting the camera off old prints, out of the offices of talking heads, and away from stock footage of marching feet. When he talks to experts, they talk on location, standing where Washington stood. The first part of Rediscovering George Washington reveals how George Washington became the most powerful man in American history. He was America's first-and biggest-superstar; Brookhiser visits the Vanity Fair Oscar Party as a point of comparison. Washington could have been king or president for life. But, his rise to power wasn't easy or pre-ordained. Washington began the Revolutionary War by losing New York City to the British. He followed that up with eight years of losing more battles than he won. Contrary to legend, he did not teach his army to fight "Indian style." How did he win the war? Washington's charisma was based on his great strength. As a boy, did he really throw a rock across the Rappahannock River? Brookhiser finds five local high school pitchers to attempt the feat. Washington loved the theater, even popular shows like Punch and Judy. Brookhiser watches the climactic scene of Washington's favorite play-a mutiny of ancient Roman officers. Faced by a near-mutiny of his own officers, how did he re-write the play, and re-write history? In the second part of the film, Brookhiser explores Washington's world changing achievement. After winning the war and founding the nation, Washington gave up power and returned to Mount Vernon. This simple act allowed the nation to become a republic. The great temptation is to seize and hold power permanently. Washington resisted this temptation, unlike almost all strong men in history such as Caesar, Napoleon and, in our day, Hitler, Stalin and Mao. How did Washington, who had the least formal education of any American president, become the embodiment of Republican ideas? He studied a book called The Rules of Civility-which we watch young actors interpret today. What did his manners have to do with his greatness? Brookhiser talks to President George H. W. Bush about civility and the presidency. At their annual family picnic, descendants of Washington's slaves talk to Brookhiser. How could Washington own slaves yet remain true to his principles? Major funding for Rediscovering George Washington was provided by the Eugene B. Casey Foundation. Additional funding was provided by the John M. Olin Foundation, The Lynde & Harry Bradley Foundation, The William H. Donner Foundation, and the Gilder Foundation. Rediscovering George Washington will be broadcast nationally via PBS on July 4th at 9:30 PM, after the concert and fireworks. Check local listings. -- For Revolutionary War information on the Internet, your first choice should be AMERICANREVOLUTION.ORG

stella: I note your spelling of the surname. Lest someone accuse you of poor spelling, allow me to point out that in 1766, "Brother Jonathan." changed the spelling of the family name, with which his notable sons and other relatives went along, and thus the "Trumble" family became the "Trumbull" family. In my document collection, I'm fortunate to have some of the family papers which were signed while they were still "Trumbles". Best regards, Ed -- For Revolutionary War information on the Internet, your first choice should be AMERICANREVOLUTION.ORG

Most colonial Gov. at time of Independence were "Tory" or "Pro England" and were sacked by the Revolutionary's, Jonathon Trumble is the only Govenor before the Revolution who was a REVOLUTIONIST and stayed on as Govenor through the Revolution. I have e-mailed Ann these pages and she can or probably share this info with yu of my research on matter. hope this helps straighten matter of questions out. good luck, stella

When I purchased my copy of Oliver Wiswell by Kenneth Roberts it had within it some newspaper clippings, one of which is a newspaper article from December 2, 1979, Staten Island Sunday Advance, titled as above subject and written by Ted Lovington Jr. There is a picture titled: 'The Franzreb home on Clove Road survives amid change.' A portion of the newspaper text reads as follows, starting with: When it was still a forest path, Leni Lenape Indians used Clove Valley as a natural crossing when traveling north to east across the deeply wooded Island. It was the only break in the hills that extended from Fort Hill in St. George to Lighthouse Hill in Richmond. Indian hunters could easily bring back fox, bobcat, bear, deer, rabbit, ducks, geese, turkeys and quickly gathered clams and oysters. Bounties of fish were caught with weighted nets in the crystalline waters off the Island's shores. Early settlers called the valley "the Clove"after the Dutch Het Kloven (a cleft or ravine betwen two hills). One of the three buildings on Clove Road when the British occupied Staten Island in July 1776 was that of Daniel Corson. He was the grandson of Captain Cornelius Corson, who is reputed to have built the first house in the Clove around 1690. The patriotic Daniel Corson, after hearing the Declaration of Independence read at the Rose and Crown (where British commander Sir William Howe was headquartered), said loudly that he would rather have one commission from George Washington than a dozen from King George. Corson's friends were stunned at his foolhardiness and quickly forced him to leave. Ironically, several days later Sir Williame Howe and staff happened to be passing through the Clove when they realized it was dinnertime. The house they unwittingly stopped at was Corson's. An aide got permission from Mrs. Corson to share their meal. Afterwards Howe learned the name of his host and said, "You are the fellow who made that treasonable remark about your king." But Howe relented under the glow of a homecooked meal and, noticing that Mrs. Corson was pregnant, said, "I see you're about to have an addition to your family. If it's a boy, name him for me and we'll forget what you said." In February 1777 Daniel, true to his word, had his son christened William Howe Corson although he never ceased to work for the cause of the Continental armies of General Washington. ........... the changes throughout the years ............ Both the expressway and the widening of Clove Road have increased the traffic flow that surges past Clove Lakes Park and the hills and valleys that hold so much vision and history. If the 200 acres of the park were not taken over for the city Parks Department in 1923, it too would be forever gone. But a climber on Emerson or Grymes Hill or in the woodlands beyond the College of Staten Island's 40-acre campus or in the hills near Clove Lakes on a still autumn day will hear the pulse of another time, the rhythm of an age whose imprints will remain as long as there is a Clove Valley. Mansion, house, church, cottage, the call of a sudden bird in the evening sky and there is a hush upon the land when the listener can almost hear the axe blows and the fading clatter of a horse's hoofs. [end] There is also a newspaper article and picture of Loring McMillen, when he was finally officially named borough Historian, March, 1986; he had been doing it since 1932. I note one comment he is quoted as saying: "Many of the Island's historical publications are inaccurate, McMillen said. The Chronicles -- which look at the Island history town by town -- will try to fill some of those gaps, he said." Loring was referring to a quarterly publication he had been writing called the "Chronicles of Staten Island." Jan

In a message dated 6/14/2002 1:26:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jlstokes@supernet.com writes: << I don't know, could someone be a royal governor and be democratically elected also ? This seems like a contradiction to me. Could your contact have meant that he was elected Governor by the King or his council ? Jim >> Jim: Jonathan Trumbull was elected governor by the voters of Connecticut. Whether he could be thus elected and still be a royal governor is the question. Maybe he could. Maybe everything that was American was considered royal then. Trumbull succeeded a man named Fitch, as I recall, and I think they were on opposing sides in the leading Connecticut issue of that pre-Rev time: the Susquehanna question. CT being a small colony, there was much looking around for room in which to expand. This was found in guess-what-colony? Yours! But there were heated pros and cons. There were inflamed passions, some of which transferred over into the ensuing Revolutionary fervor that was brought on by the Boston Port Act of 1774. This is spelled out in Oscar Zeichner's Connecticut: Years of Controversy; title off the top of my head (as is most everything else noted here). Thanks for your interest. Anne

Hi Ann, I don't know, could someone be a royal governor and be democratically elected also ? This seems like a contradiction to me. Could your contact have meant that he was elected Governor by the King or his council ? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: <JMJJF@aol.com> To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [A-REV] Fwd: Jonathan Trumbull > In a message dated 6/13/2002 7:11:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > jlstokes@supernet.com writes: > > << An interesting post. Let us know if you find anything further. I > wonder what the University of Connecticut means by "elected" in the first > line of their reply. Does it mean he was democratically elected or elected > by the Crown. It strikes me that he couldn't be both democratically elected > and appointed by the Crown, that would be a contridiction in terms. > >> > Connecticut had elections, including for the office of governor. You've > heard of Election Cake? That was an election day specialty in Connecticut. > As for how democratic these elections were, you might want to refer to > someone like Van Dusen; wish I remembered his first name. Freemen could > vote; this left quite a few, including all women, who could not. > My reply from the U of Conn came from a researcher I've corresponded with > before. He lists his credentials, in part, as follows: > > Connecticut State Documents Collection Supervisor, > Reference Collection Supervisor, > Coordinator for Services for Patrons with Disabilities > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Doris, When Sherman passed through Georgia, he saw to it that most of the previous records did not survive. Some people also wish the records from The Civil War did not survive. Rex Jones

In a message dated 6/13/2002 7:11:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jlstokes@supernet.com writes: << An interesting post. Let us know if you find anything further. I wonder what the University of Connecticut means by "elected" in the first line of their reply. Does it mean he was democratically elected or elected by the Crown. It strikes me that he couldn't be both democratically elected and appointed by the Crown, that would be a contridiction in terms. >> Connecticut had elections, including for the office of governor. You've heard of Election Cake? That was an election day specialty in Connecticut. As for how democratic these elections were, you might want to refer to someone like Van Dusen; wish I remembered his first name. Freemen could vote; this left quite a few, including all women, who could not. My reply from the U of Conn came from a researcher I've corresponded with before. He lists his credentials, in part, as follows: Connecticut State Documents Collection Supervisor, Reference Collection Supervisor, Coordinator for Services for Patrons with Disabilities

Thanks Farnworth, That Battle of Bennington Vt article even had an illustration of where Hessian Lt. Col Baum and Tory Col. Francis Von Pfister passed away from their motal wounds!!! A John Armstrong carried Baum, but it isn't known who carried Pfister from the Battlesite to this house (previous records describe passing in a stable). Col. Von Pfister was the son-in-law of John Gordon MACOMB (aka McCOMB) captured at the Battle of Bennington, and now know went before Chittenden at the Catamount Tavern in Bennington VT, and not Albany NY as previously thought. Pfister's children where raised by British Lt. Thomas Bennett and daughter Ann MACOMB, a future British Commandant of Fort Detroit (post De Peyster). These children would eventually be raised in NYC., living with Alexander MACOMB Sr's family. Found another article in this databae, that also sheds light on near future events of John Gordon MACOMB after his subsequent escape (ie Burgoyne and Saratoga at Fort Edwards). These events speak to a recorded payroll dispute that by timeline occured the day John Macomb arrived at Fort Edwards (ref: memorial and letters). It was very interesting to note that 6 pages had been torn from British General Burgoynes journal post Fort Edward.. Excellent find!!! Thanks again Murray McCombs >X-Message: #2 >Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:47:55 EDT >From: Farns10th@aol.com >To: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <9e.27b3116f.2a39299b@aol.com> >Subject: [A-REV] Bennington and Its Battle by Edwin A Start >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Subject: Bennington and Its Battle by Edwin A. Start >Source: Cornell's "Making of America" > >This item is Illustrated with etchings, portraits, monuments, much on the >Catamount Tavern >etc. (portrait & bio on Gen. John Stark) > > <A >HREF="http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/moa/pageviewer?frames=1&coll=moa& > >view=50&root=%2Fmoa%2Fnewe%2Fnewe0010%2F&tif=00769.TIF&cite=http%3A%2F%2Fcdl.l > >ibrary.cornell.edu%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmoa%2Fmoa-cgi%3Fnotisid%3DAFJ3026-0010-121"> >Bennington & Its Battle by Edwin A. Start</A>

How do I find out about the 1st Battalion of Ga. My ancestor was mustered in in 1793. From what I have seen of the websites in Georgia, they only remember the Civil War. Any help is appreciated. Doris Christian

Hi Ann, An interesting post. Let us know if you find anything further. I wonder what the University of Connecticut means by "elected" in the first line of their reply. Does it mean he was democratically elected or elected by the Crown. It strikes me that he couldn't be both democratically elected and appointed by the Crown, that would be a contridiction in terms. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: <JMJJF@aol.com> To: <AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 2:46 PM Subject: [A-REV] Fwd: Jonathan Trumbull > > --part1_d.283639e7.2a3a4286_boundary > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > The response from my U Conn source re Gov Trumbull is in part as follows: > > << Because > Jonathan Trumbull was elected governor in the year 1769, he was the only > incumbent colonial governor to serve throughout the war. Whether or not he > was the only royal governor to turn patriot, I can not say for sure. >> > > Obviously, this is not conclusive, but for the sake of moving on I yield the > point. It's possible that a colonial governor was "Royal" whether elected by > the voters of appointed by the Crown. > I will say Trumbull did not turn patriot, or go over to the Patriot side; he > was a Whig, holding the same beliefs before the war as he did throughout. > Because most of my notes are in Michigan and I am in Ohio, I'm checking over > my computer for anything further. Have already run across the titles of some > noteworthy books (not on this subject), which I'll copy into another e-mail. > Anne > > > --part1_d.283639e7.2a3a4286_boundary > Content-Type: message/rfc822 > Content-Disposition: inline > > Return-Path: <David.Avery@uconn.edu> > Received: from rly-xc04.mx.aol.com (rly-xc04.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.137]) by air-xc01.mail.aol.com (v86_r1.13) with ESMTP id MAILINXC12-0613091906; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:19:06 -0400 > Received: from lib-exchange.lib.uconn.edu (exchange.lib.uconn.edu [137.99.181.92]) by rly-xc04.mx.aol.com (v86_r1.13) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXC43-0613091851; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:18:51 -0400 > Received: by exchange.lib.uconn.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) > id <MBDVXRTS>; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:18:59 -0400 > Message-ID: <5D5ED9DBE60FD4118EA600D0B74450D6017A591F@exchange.lib.uconn.edu> > From: Dave Avery <David.Avery@uconn.edu> > To: "'JMJJF@aol.com'" <JMJJF@aol.com> > Subject: RE: Jonathan Trumbull > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:18:58 -0400 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dear Anne, > > Jonathan Trumbull was the governor of Connecticut from 1769-1784. Yes, he > was the Connecticut's governor during the American Revolution. Because > Jonathan Trumbull was elected governor in the year 1769, he was the only > incumbent colonial governor to serve throughout the war. Whether or not he > was the only royal governor to turn patriot, I can not say for sure. > > Sincerely, > > David F. Avery > > Connecticut State Documents Collection Supervisor, > Reference Collection Supervisor, > Coordinator for Services for Patrons with Disabilities > > > Research and Information Services > Homer Babbidge Library > 369 Fairfield Road, Unit 1005-RI > University of Connecticut > Storrs, CT 06269-1005 > > Tel: (860) 486-1252 > Fax: (860) 486-6100 > Email: david.avery@uconn.edu <mailto:david.avery@uconn.edu> > Web: http://www.lib.uconn.edu/~davery > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: JMJJF@aol.com [mailto:JMJJF@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 9:39 PM > To: David.Avery@uconn.edu > Subject: Jonathan Trumbull > > > Dave: You sent me the Colonial Connecticut Records last year. Now I have a > query. I had written on the American Revolution List online that Jonathan > Trumbull was not a royal governor, and got back the following reply: > > Subj: Re: [A-REV] Connecticut and its charter > Date: 6/12/2002 4:15:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time > From: Patriot1@americanrevolution.org (Ed St.Germain) > Reply-to: Patriot1@americanrevolution.org > To: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com > > Anne: > > I hate to burst your bubble, but "Brother Jonathan" Trumbull *was* a > Royal Governor. It fact, one of the things he is remembered for is > because he was the *only* Royal Governor to go over to the Patriot side > when war came. > > Dave: assuming you know the answer and don't have to research it, can you > tell me whether I'm right or wrong? Was Trumbull, CT's governor during the > American Revolution, a royal governor or not? (If you like, I can send you > the message in which I said he was not.) > > Thanks, Anne Sennish, Farmington, MI and Kelleys Island, OH > > --part1_d.283639e7.2a3a4286_boundary-- > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Here is a sketchy list of books from to-do notes I made in August, 1990, just before the upheaval of a family death. I especially liked Graydon and MacKenzie; Graydon a Continental officer, MacK a British. Also Van Dusen (first name at home in large stack of file cards), and Oscar Zeichner. I did read a biog of Trumbull; not sure whether it was this one. Anne 2. Zeichner, Conn's Years of Controversy, 1750-1776 3. Van Dusen, Connecticut Burton Historical Collection 2. Memoirs of His Own Time Graydon, Alexander with Reminiscences of the Men and Events of the Revolution John Stockton Littrell, ed Phia: Lindsay & Blakiston, 1846 from Spirit of '76, Bibliog 3. Frederick MacKenzie Diary of Frederick Mackenzie Vol 1 (only) 973.38 m19d v.1 downstairs, Burton 4. Onderdonk's Revolutionary Incidents book p 207-250 is on prisons look at Burton f Field Guide p 864 et seq on NYC prisons from Danenberg, p 43 5. Maritime Connecticut during the Am Rev, 2 vol compiled by Louis F Middlebrook 6. Life of Jonathan Trumbull, Sen., I.W,Stuart, Hartford, 1859 p 438

--part1_d.283639e7.2a3a4286_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The response from my U Conn source re Gov Trumbull is in part as follows: << Because Jonathan Trumbull was elected governor in the year 1769, he was the only incumbent colonial governor to serve throughout the war. Whether or not he was the only royal governor to turn patriot, I can not say for sure. >> Obviously, this is not conclusive, but for the sake of moving on I yield the point. It's possible that a colonial governor was "Royal" whether elected by the voters of appointed by the Crown. I will say Trumbull did not turn patriot, or go over to the Patriot side; he was a Whig, holding the same beliefs before the war as he did throughout. Because most of my notes are in Michigan and I am in Ohio, I'm checking over my computer for anything further. Have already run across the titles of some noteworthy books (not on this subject), which I'll copy into another e-mail. Anne --part1_d.283639e7.2a3a4286_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <David.Avery@uconn.edu> Received: from rly-xc04.mx.aol.com (rly-xc04.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.137]) by air-xc01.mail.aol.com (v86_r1.13) with ESMTP id MAILINXC12-0613091906; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:19:06 -0400 Received: from lib-exchange.lib.uconn.edu (exchange.lib.uconn.edu [137.99.181.92]) by rly-xc04.mx.aol.com (v86_r1.13) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXC43-0613091851; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:18:51 -0400 Received: by exchange.lib.uconn.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <MBDVXRTS>; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:18:59 -0400 Message-ID: <5D5ED9DBE60FD4118EA600D0B74450D6017A591F@exchange.lib.uconn.edu> From: Dave Avery <David.Avery@uconn.edu> To: "'JMJJF@aol.com'" <JMJJF@aol.com> Subject: RE: Jonathan Trumbull Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:18:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear Anne, Jonathan Trumbull was the governor of Connecticut from 1769-1784. Yes, he was the Connecticut's governor during the American Revolution. Because Jonathan Trumbull was elected governor in the year 1769, he was the only incumbent colonial governor to serve throughout the war. Whether or not he was the only royal governor to turn patriot, I can not say for sure. Sincerely, David F. Avery Connecticut State Documents Collection Supervisor, Reference Collection Supervisor, Coordinator for Services for Patrons with Disabilities Research and Information Services Homer Babbidge Library 369 Fairfield Road, Unit 1005-RI University of Connecticut Storrs, CT 06269-1005 Tel: (860) 486-1252 Fax: (860) 486-6100 Email: david.avery@uconn.edu <mailto:david.avery@uconn.edu> Web: http://www.lib.uconn.edu/~davery -----Original Message----- From: JMJJF@aol.com [mailto:JMJJF@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 9:39 PM To: David.Avery@uconn.edu Subject: Jonathan Trumbull Dave: You sent me the Colonial Connecticut Records last year. Now I have a query. I had written on the American Revolution List online that Jonathan Trumbull was not a royal governor, and got back the following reply: Subj: Re: [A-REV] Connecticut and its charter Date: 6/12/2002 4:15:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: Patriot1@americanrevolution.org (Ed St.Germain) Reply-to: Patriot1@americanrevolution.org To: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com Anne: I hate to burst your bubble, but "Brother Jonathan" Trumbull *was* a Royal Governor. It fact, one of the things he is remembered for is because he was the *only* Royal Governor to go over to the Patriot side when war came. Dave: assuming you know the answer and don't have to research it, can you tell me whether I'm right or wrong? Was Trumbull, CT's governor during the American Revolution, a royal governor or not? (If you like, I can send you the message in which I said he was not.) Thanks, Anne Sennish, Farmington, MI and Kelleys Island, OH --part1_d.283639e7.2a3a4286_boundary--

Anne: Just out of curiosity, is there a particular reason that you are embarking on this crusade to attempt to prove me wrong? If it's something I said (other than my correct statement of historical facts), feel free to contact me off-list. As for reading material, may I suggest: Roth, David Morris. Connecticut's War Governor, Jonathan Trumbull. Bicentennial pamphlet IX (1974). Based on his dissertation. Roth, David Morris."Jonathan Trumbull, 1710-1785: Connecticut's Puritan Patriot." Doctoral dissertation, Clark University, 1971. Roth studies Trumbull's "paradoxical character and career," seeing him as both "vainful and opportunistic," as well as "distinguished ... [in] his extraordinary efforts in mobilizing the resources of Connecticut to supply Washington's troops .. ." during the Revolution. (from the abstract) Stuart, Issac William. Life of Jonathan Trumbull Senior, Governor of Connecticut. Boston: Crocker and Brewster, 1859. Superseded for the most part by Roth, above, and Weaver, below, but has some information they do not have. Trumbull, Jonathan. Jonathan Trumbull, Governor of Connecticut, 1769-1784. Boston: Little, Brown, 1919. Also superseded. The author was a great-grandson. Weaver, Glenn. Jonathan Trumbull, Connecticut's Merchant Magistrate, 1710-1785. Hartford: CHS, 1956. Lawrence Gipson calls Weaver's book "small but important," "illuminating and scholarly." (New England Quarterly, March, 1957, pp. 108, 110) The book, based on Weaver's Yale dissertation (1953), is a very readable, thoroughly reliable study that tells a great deal about the mercantile economy of late-colonial Connecticut, as well as about Trumbull in his pre-governor days. Very useful "Bibliographical Note" focusing on economic matters. Griffs, William Elliot. "Brother Jonathan and His Home." New England Magazine.  N.s. 17(September, 1897)1. Many photographs and illustrations, particularly of the house and sites in 1897. -- For Revolutionary War information on the Internet, your first choice should be AMERICANREVOLUTION.ORG