On 4/18/05 10:32 AM, "Donna & Jim Lenhoff" <[email protected]> wrote: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.......Donna >> From the recollections of my four greats grandfather James Noble, I copied > the following: > > "... During this summer we stormed Stoney Point and took possession of the > Fort and its property and about five hundred prisoners. During the storming > of this Fort General Wayne was wounded and Major Flavie (?) took command. > After the Battle was over the major ordered the British Flag to be took down > and he said Noble had the honour and satisfaction of taking it down > himself..." > > I have several pages of his war experiences if anyone is interested, I can > copy them. I cannot scan them into e-mail because they are on legal size > paper, and, in addition, they are very difficult to read. You can e-mail me > your snail mail address. > > Donna > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > Hoaxes and Urban Legends on the Internet > http://www.snopes.com/ > <A HREF="http://www.snopes.com/">Snopes.com</a> > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

From the recollections of my four greats grandfather James Noble, I copied the following: "... During this summer we stormed Stoney Point and took possession of the Fort and its property and about five hundred prisoners. During the storming of this Fort General Wayne was wounded and Major Flavie (?) took command. After the Battle was over the major ordered the British Flag to be took down and he said Noble had the honour and satisfaction of taking it down himself..." I have several pages of his war experiences if anyone is interested, I can copy them. I cannot scan them into e-mail because they are on legal size paper, and, in addition, they are very difficult to read. You can e-mail me your snail mail address. Donna

Big doin's in Philly starting in December - http://www.benfranklin300.org/ Best regards, Ed For Revolutionary War Info on the Internet, your first choice should be: www.AmericanRevolution.org

I'm about half-way through "Women of the American Revolution" if anyone would like to take a look at it: http://www.americanrevolution.org/women.html I found a copy of a first edition of Ellet at a bookstore in San Francisco. While they're usually several hundred dollars, this set had been through a fire, and I was able to get it for a song. All of the print portions were intact, so it was perfect for digitizing. Best regards, Ed For Revolutionary War Info on the Internet, your first choice should be: www.AmericanRevolution.org

Would anyone be able to point me to a site for information about Royal North Carolina Loyalist, Capt John Wormley's Company? http://members.aol.com/HoseyGen/NCLOYAL1.HTML http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncrevwar/ncrevwar.htm

Sybil Ludington Fact or Fiction A small sculpture of Sybil Ludington was presented to the National Society Daughters of the American Revolution around 1960. For the better part of the last decade DAR members and staffers have been attempting to document the story of her reputed ride. Here are the facts as we know them. Sybil Ludington was born in 1761 in Dutchess County, New York. Her father was Colonel Henry Ludington. Sybil Ludington married Edmund Ogden, a Revolutionary War veteran about 1784. Edmund died about 1800 and Sybil spent the remainer of her life living with her son, Henry and his family. She died in 1839 and is buried near her father in what is now Putnam County, New York. The story of Sybil's "reputed ride" first appeared in an issue of the "Connecticut Magazine" in 1907 and was reprinted in a family history that same year. There is no mention of her ride in an 1886 History of Putnam County. A transcription of Henry Ludington's personal journal appears in that work. The Journal has no entries relating to the burning of Danbury, the activities of Henry Ludington, the deployment of the Dutchess County militia or Sybil's ride. No contemporary accounts, family papers or obituaries which refer to Sybil's exploits have been located to date. The only reference to Sybil Ludington during the Revolution is found in an 1881 account written by one of her nieces. She wrote: "The last time Aunt Ogden was here, she was telling us how she and her sister were alone in the house during the war. They had a fence built around the house and they each had a gun and once in a while they would fire off to make the soldiers think there were men in the house." At this time, the story of Sybil Ludington's ride remains an entertaining, but undocumented legend. I would be interested in hearing from anyone who has found any CONTEMPORARY documentation which proves the legend. Hazel F. Kreinheder Assistant Director of Genealogy, NSDAR -----Original Message----- From: Janet Ariciu [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 2:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AMER-REV] The Female Paul Revere Sybil Ludington The Female Paul Revere http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/1789/sybil.html Sybil Ludington was a typical 16 year old girl in 1777. She was the eldest of 12 children and was often responsible for taking care of her younger siblings. She was putting the younger children to bed on the night of April 26, 1777, when word reached her house that the British were burning the town of Danbury, Connecticut, which was only 25 miles away. Her father was a colonel in the local militia. His men were scattered over a wide area around the Ludington house in Fredericksburg, New York (now Ludington). Sybil convinced her father to let her ride and summon the men. She rode on horseback over 40 miles on dark, unmarked roads to spread the alert. Her course took her down through Carmel, on to Mahopac, and around to Kent Cliffs and Farmers Mills and back home. She rode alone with only a stick to prod her horse Star and to knock on the doors spreading the alert in time. The men whom she helped to gather arrived just in time to help drive the British, under the command of General William Tyron (who was also colonial governor of New York), back to their ships in Long Island Sound. In this day and age a sixteen year old girl alone on a darkened street is not safe. One can only imagine what it was like being a 16 year old girl aiding the rebellion during war-time within such a short distance from the fighting and alone with no one for protection. Sybil Ludington was a true American Hero. Sybil's contribution to the war was not forgotten. Present day visitors to Putnam County New York can trace her path on that midnight ride by following markers placed along the route, and view a statue of her erected in 1961 on Route 52 beside Gleneida Lake in Carmel on the route. There is a smaller copy of the statue located in Washington, D.C. in Constitution Memorial Hall in DAR headquarters. Written by Mrs. Todd James. And this site http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/history_for_children/113431 History For Children - The Female Paul Revere Author: Mary M. Alward Published on: February 5, 2005 Hi! My name is Sybil Ludington. I was born in 1761, in Fredericksburg, New York. (Now known as the Ludington section of Kent.) I was the oldest of twelve children. I spent most of my time taking care of my younger siblings and doing household chores. Those were the things that girls did in that era (time). My world changed suddenly on April 26, 1777. I was 16 years old at the time and was putting the younger children to bed when a rider galloped up to our house. He informed us that British troops were burning the town of Danbury, Connecticut. It was only a few miles from our house. My father was colonel of the local militia. His men were scattered over the countryside. Since the exhausted rider who had warned us of the British destruction could go no further, I convinced father to allow me to take my horse, Star, and ride to the homes of his men telling them to band together to defend our community. Father finally agreed and I jumped on Star and rode 40 miles alerting his men. The night was dark and I rode alone, using only a stick to prod Star and knock on doors. It was quite a trip, but I succeeded in alerting all the men. They banded together and drove the British back to their ships. The ride was kind of scary. After all, there was a war going on and I was alone with no one to protect me. Because of what I did, people hailed me as a heroine. I was just doing what I felt I had to do. If you would like to follow my path, you will have to visit Putnam County, New York. Markers have been placed along the route. A statue of me has been erected on Route 52, beside Gleneida Lake in Carmel. A smaller statue can be seen in Constitution Memorial Hall in Washington, DC. In 1975, a stamp was issued in my honor. After the war, I married Edmond Odgen, a lawyer from Catskill. We had one son, Henry. I died in 1839, and was buried in Maple Avenue Cemetery near my father. Janet ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== Check out other genealogy resources on the net at John Fuller's most helpful site http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail.html ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

I'm surprised some Hollywood producer hasn't snapped up this historical story, it's got Disney written all over it.

Would anyone be able to point me to a site for information about Royal North Carolina Loyalist, Capt John Wormley's Company?

This is the Bartholomew von Heer Dragoons (or "the Marechaussee Corps") Roster. For more info, see: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/textindices/H/HEER+2003+39481705+F, http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/HEER/2005-02/1107911952 & http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/h/heer.html It appears that all, or at least the vast majority of members were Hessians from the PA area, as Congress apparently mandated & as Gen'l Washington established. This Troop established the Provost authority (MPs, etc) of the American military, pursuant to Genl Washingtons order, and was also assigned add'l duty as mounted 'Lifeguards' for the General. Barry Wetherington "State of a troop of light dragoons, having been raised in the Pennsylvania State, and commanded by Capt. von Heer, September 16, 1780, (at Tappan, New York.)" Captain von Heer, Bartholomew------Reading, from captain in Procter's artilery. First Lieutenant------------------------Jacob Mytinger Second Lieutenant---------------------Philip Strubeng Sergeants Harker, Franz----------------November 1, 1778 Hess, George----------------Philadephia, September 1, 1778 Mutter (Nutter), John-------July 1 1778; promoted lieutenant Trumpeters Wolf, Lewis---------------Pottsgrove, July 1, 1778; Died in Philadelphia, August 20, 1830, aged 83.; Reading, January 1, 1778; resided in Jonestown, Lebanon Co., in 1632. (??? 1832? bw 2001) Corporals Ekstine, David------------------Philadelphia, July 12, 1778. Effingar, John Ignatius---------Pottsgrove, August 1, 1778; discharged July 1783:resided in Woodstock, Shenandoah Co., VA in 1834. Wachter, Anthony--------------Philadelphia, July 10, 1778. Shafer, Jacob-------------------Philadelphia, July 1, 1778. Smith, Philip--------------------Philadelphia, July 10, 1778: resided in Berks Co., in 1835, aged 81. Privates Adam, John---------------------Philadelphia, July 12, 1778. Barth (Bard), Stephen---------Lancaster, May 15, 1779; resided in Berks Co., in 1835, aged 81. Bauman, John------------------Philadelphia, September 1, 1779. Curutz, Sebastian--------------Reading, April 1, 1780. Dareler, Christian-------------Hessen, Philadelphia, September 1, 1778; died July 20, 1821, Lebanon Co., aged 71. Durie, John---------------------Philadelphia, September 1, 1778. Eicholtz, John------------------Somerset, February 15, 1778. Engelhaupt, John --------------Mt. Pleasant, July 1, 1779; promoted corporal. Frank, Henry-------------------Hessen, November 15, 1778. Franforter, Henry--------------Lancaster, August 31, 1778; resided in Dauphin Co., in 1838, aged 81. Gerlach, John------------------Pottsgrove, July 1, 1778. Green, Casper-----------------Philadelphia, August 1, 1778. Gruber, Valentine-------------Pottsgrove, March 16, 1779; resided in Bedford Co., in 1835, aged 83. Grulich, Philip-----------------Pottsgrove, August 12, 1778. Hauser, Casper----------------Philadelphia, August 27, 1778. Howe, William----------------November 1, 1778. Kaiser, Lewis------------------Pottsgrove, March 16, 1779. Kratzer, John------------------Philadelphia, September 1, 1778. Mueller, Frederick------------Reading, August 1, 1780. Mueller, Jacob----------------Pottsgrove, August 1 1778. Newman, Philip---------------Pottsgrove, August 16, 1776. Pfaffenbach, Andres----------Hessen, November 1, 1778. Picard, Philip------------------Philadelphia, September 1, 1778. Reiss, Henry------------------Hessen, Pottsgrove, August 1, 1778. Shumann, Charles------------Reading, April 1, 1780. Swartz, Leonard--------------Pottsgrove, July 24, 1778. Slevoigt, John----------------Somerset, February 1, 1779. Stadeiman, John--------------Philadelphia, September 1, 1778. Stapper, Andres--------------Lancaster, August 20, 1778. Strauss, Diedrich ------------Pottsgrove, July 24, 1778. Titius (Tecius), Frederick---Reading, March 15, 1780. Turk, John--------------------Jersey, July 1, 1780. Ullick, John-------------------Philadelphia, September 1, 1778. Wilheim, Baitser-------------Hessen, October 15, 1778. Willhauser, Henry-----------Reading, April 1, 1780. Woolsey, Isac---------------Philadelphia, August 1, 1778. Zabern, David----------------Philadelphia, July 20, 1778. Zapz, John-------------------October 1,1778. Ziegler, Henry---------------Reading, May 1, 1780. Zink, Abraham---------------Pottsgrove, August 1, 1778. Zullick, Henry---------------Hessen, Philadelphia, August 1, 1778. WAR OFFICE, January 12, 1781 I certify that the above return is exactly conformable to a return of Capt. von Heer's Corps, filed in this office, under the resolution of Congress, of March 15, 1779, by which it appears that one lieutenant and forty-two non-commissioned officers and privates belong to the State of Pennsylvania. BEN. STODDERT, Secretary. Return of a troop of Light Dragoons raised by Capt. Bartholomew von Heer, agreeable to the old establishment, in 1778, for the American Service: One captain, four lieutenants, one clerk, three sergeants, five corporals, two trumpets, forty-three privates. Men whose time will expire before the 1st of November 1782. Brath, Henry----------------July 1, 1782. Brath, Stephen--------------May 15, 1782. Engelhaupt, John-----------corporal, July 1, 1782. Gruber, Valentine----------March 16, 1782. Howe, William-------------expired and not reenlisted. Saugarat, Joseph-----------clerk, May 15, 1782. Slevoight, John-------------Feb. 1, 1782. Men remaining in the troop. Buob, Joseph Curutz, Sebastian Hiller, John George, trumpeter Kratzer, John Mueller, Frederick Titius (Tecius), Frederick Ziegler, Henry Men enlisted who have not received their bounty. Laffelof, Henry Morris, John Pape, Robert Reiss, Henry Robert, George Roster, Frederick Strouss, Diedrich Thurn, Peter----------August 1, 1778, resided in Ross Co., OH., 1834. Weikell, John Wilheim, Balser Yachter, John To the above establishment to complete the Troop are wanting 47, whereof are eleven enlisted, but not received bounty. For the complement, are forty-five horses wanting as the horses having been deliver'd to the Quart. Mr.,By order of the Board of war, when the men had been discharged last year. March 1, 1782 BARTH'W VON HEER, Capt. L Dr. Names of Soldiers of von Heer's Dragoons, Taken from Pension Papers Privates Anthony, George----------------died in Jackson Co., OH, August 15, 1833, aged 79. Baclet, Jacob [Barlet according to pension and Order, GGG Gs Barry Wetherington 1/20/2001] Boyer, Lewis---------------------resided in Miami Co., OH, 1843; died 1842. Burkhardt, John------------------November 1, 1778. Brown, Peter Campbell, Alexander Cryobck, Peter-------------------died June 21, 1822, Berks Co., aged 81. Eisnack, Andrew Fox, Andrew----------------------resided in Berks Co., in 1835. Fox (Fuchs), David--------------Reading, 1778, trumpeter, resided in Berks Co., in 1835, aged 69. Fox (Fuchs), Jacob--------------Reading, 1778; resided in Pleasant Twp., Fairfield Co., OH in 1834. Fox (Fuchs), Frederick---------1779; brother of Jacob, resided in Shenandoah Co., VA in 1829. Fricker, George-----------------resided in Reading in 1787. Fricker, Peter-------------------died December 26, 1827 in Berks Co., 62. Ginser, Henry Graff, Frederick-----------------resided in Berks Co., in 1786. Koch, Adam---------------------died May 27, 1827, Berks Co. O'Bryan, Andrew Ox, Peter------------------------1782, resided in Huntingdon Co., in 1818. Richtmeyer, Daniel-------------Reading, 1778. Ruppert, Jacob------------------August 1, 1778; resided Berks Co., in 1831. Sechier, Michael----------------1781; discharged at Philadelphia, December31, 1783; residing in Lycoming Co., 1825. Sheyman, Philip Taylor, Marthew----------------died in Baltimore Co., MD in 1818, aged 67. Trisher, Thomas-----------------August 1, 1780. Wagner, John--------------------resided in Sanduski Co., OH in 1834. Wolf, Ludwig Zopple, Peter Scan of the Roster - Reformatted and reprinted from copy obtained from the Berks County Genealogy Society; Jan-Feb. 1987 =========== PS: If interested, I can email/attach for those replying a copy of the extraordinary AmRev pension order which contains the handwritten names of Genl Washington, Barth von Heer & my ancestor Jacob Barlett.

Sybil Ludington The Female Paul Revere http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/1789/sybil.html Sybil Ludington was a typical 16 year old girl in 1777. She was the eldest of 12 children and was often responsible for taking care of her younger siblings. She was putting the younger children to bed on the night of April 26, 1777, when word reached her house that the British were burning the town of Danbury, Connecticut, which was only 25 miles away. Her father was a colonel in the local militia. His men were scattered over a wide area around the Ludington house in Fredericksburg, New York (now Ludington). Sybil convinced her father to let her ride and summon the men. She rode on horseback over 40 miles on dark, unmarked roads to spread the alert. Her course took her down through Carmel, on to Mahopac, and around to Kent Cliffs and Farmers Mills and back home. She rode alone with only a stick to prod her horse Star and to knock on the doors spreading the alert in time. The men whom she helped to gather arrived just in time to help drive the British, under the command of General William Tyron (who was also colonial governor of New York), back to their ships in Long Island Sound. In this day and age a sixteen year old girl alone on a darkened street is not safe. One can only imagine what it was like being a 16 year old girl aiding the rebellion during war-time within such a short distance from the fighting and alone with no one for protection. Sybil Ludington was a true American Hero. Sybil's contribution to the war was not forgotten. Present day visitors to Putnam County New York can trace her path on that midnight ride by following markers placed along the route, and view a statue of her erected in 1961 on Route 52 beside Gleneida Lake in Carmel on the route. There is a smaller copy of the statue located in Washington, D.C. in Constitution Memorial Hall in DAR headquarters. Written by Mrs. Todd James. And this site http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/history_for_children/113431 History For Children - The Female Paul Revere Author: Mary M. Alward Published on: February 5, 2005 Hi! My name is Sybil Ludington. I was born in 1761, in Fredericksburg, New York. (Now known as the Ludington section of Kent.) I was the oldest of twelve children. I spent most of my time taking care of my younger siblings and doing household chores. Those were the things that girls did in that era (time). My world changed suddenly on April 26, 1777. I was 16 years old at the time and was putting the younger children to bed when a rider galloped up to our house. He informed us that British troops were burning the town of Danbury, Connecticut. It was only a few miles from our house. My father was colonel of the local militia. His men were scattered over the countryside. Since the exhausted rider who had warned us of the British destruction could go no further, I convinced father to allow me to take my horse, Star, and ride to the homes of his men telling them to band together to defend our community. Father finally agreed and I jumped on Star and rode 40 miles alerting his men. The night was dark and I rode alone, using only a stick to prod Star and knock on doors. It was quite a trip, but I succeeded in alerting all the men. They banded together and drove the British back to their ships. The ride was kind of scary. After all, there was a war going on and I was alone with no one to protect me. Because of what I did, people hailed me as a heroine. I was just doing what I felt I had to do. If you would like to follow my path, you will have to visit Putnam County, New York. Markers have been placed along the route. A statue of me has been erected on Route 52, beside Gleneida Lake in Carmel. A smaller statue can be seen in Constitution Memorial Hall in Washington, DC. In 1975, a stamp was issued in my honor. After the war, I married Edmond Odgen, a lawyer from Catskill. We had one son, Henry. I died in 1839, and was buried in Maple Avenue Cemetery near my father. Janet

Ed- Ah, next you'll be telling me Roger Imhof wasn't even related to Oscar Homolka! Yes, I was indeed wrong about that. The lady who earlier said "Drums..." was "the" story of the Battle of Oriskany, was I guess, technically inaccurate. But saying "Drums" has "absolutely nothing" to do with the battle of Oriskany is also inaccurate. There's enough information presented to logically assume Oriskany is the battle in question: Mohawk Valley, 1777, Indians, Herkimer, militia ambush, repulse and subsequent Herkimer death. And the wounds the hero (Fonda) receive from that battle certainly affect him, his wife and the subsequent plotline rather profoundly. A Google search using the words "Drums, Mohawk and Oriskany" brought up numerous hits, so I'm not alone in understanding the battle to be Oriskany. I suppose the most conclusive results would be obtained from actually looking in the novel, but alas I no longer have a copy. Maybe somebody out there has one, could look it up and report back? In any event, I didn't know that old Edna Mae got an Oscar nomination, for her portrayal. It shouldn't have surprised me though. She was always a great character actress and adept scene stealer as in "Tale of Two Cities." Back to "Drums." For me, the most ridiculous part of the movie was when the fort was being stormed by Indians and the garrison opened the gates! Deliberately letting waves of screaming attackers into an otherwise secure position has not typically been a preferred defensive tactic. Regards, - Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed St.Germain" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:51 PM Subject: NOT Oriskany > Doug: > > It wasn't Oscar Homolka, he wasn't even in it. > > You're thinking of Roger Imhof. > > One of my favorites, Edna Mae Oliver, got an Oscar nomination for her > role, > and of course, I've always been madly in love with Claudette Colbert. > > The statement that was made was: "See also the Henry Fonda film "Drums > Along > the Mohawk" for the story of the Battle of Oriskany." It doesn't tell the > "story of the Battle of Oriskany", not even close. It has absolutely > nothing > to do with the battle of Oriskany. Naming a character Nicholas Herkimer > doesn't make it a story about the battle any more than naming a character > George Washington would make it a movie about the Battle of Trenton. > > From the Internet Movie Database: "Before the Revolutionary War farmer > Martin brings bride Magdelana to the Mohawk Valley where they are burned > out > by Indians. Neighbors take them in and Martin joins the militia to fight > the > Indians." > > Best regards, > Ed > For Revolutionary War Info on the Internet, your first choice should be: > www.AmericanRevolution.org > > ______________________________

THE CORPS OF LIGHT INFANTRY STONY POINT, 15-16 July 1779 The Washington Papers for the year 1779 shed more light on the organization of the Corps and its activities. On 12 June 1779 a General Order was issued for the initial organization. It was to draft the Light Infantry from Maryland, Pennsylvania and Virginia regiments of the Main Army in the vicinity of West Point. The troops from Connecticut, Massachusetts and North Carolina were to join the Corps just two days before the Stony Point action. The Main Army regiments were organized at that time to have 8 infantry companies and one light infantry company. The light infantry was to be filled with the best soldiers of each regiment. The assembly of such men into the Corps of Light Infantry made it the elite of the Army. The Corps of Light Infantry (LI) for the campaign year 1779 was to organized at brigade level with 4 regiments. Brigadier General Anthony Wayne was the commander of this Corps of Light Infantry. The 1st LI Regiment was manned by selected troops from the following VA and PA Regiments. 1st VA, 2nd VA, 4th VA, 5th VA, 6th VA, 7th VA, 11th VA, 1st and 2nd VA State Regiments furnished 6 LI Companies of 2 officers and 41 men each. Later a drummer and a fifer were added to each company. At full strength the company total was 2 officers and 43 men. The PA contingent to the 1st LI Regiment presumably was 2 LI companies from 3rd and 9th PA Regiments with similar strengths. Within this 1st LI Regiment the companies were divided into two battalion of 4 companies each. Lt. Col. de Fleury commanded the 1st Battalion (2 PA Cos. and 2 VA Cos.) , while Major Thomas Posey commanded the 2nd Battalion (4 VA Cos.). Colonel Christian Febiger was the Regimental Commander. The 2nd LI Regiment was made up of troops from PA and MD. The PA Regiments furnishing 4 LI companies were the 1st PA, 2nd PA, and 6th PA. The other 4 companies were provided by MD Regiments: 1st MD, 2nd MD, 3rd MD, and the 4th MD. The PA Battalion was lead by Lt. Col. Samuel Hay and the MD Battalion by Major Jack Stewart. Colonel Richard Butler was the 2nd LI Regimental Commander. The 3rd LI Regiment was made up of the 8 LI companies of the 6th CT Regiment, a unique unit. 4 companies were under Lt. Col. Isaac Sherman and the other 4 under Captain (Acting Major) Henry Champion. Colonel Jonathan Return Meigs was the Regimental Commander. The 4th LI Regiment had not been organized at the time of the storming of Stony Point, however, the designated subordinate units did participate. The MA contingent was 7 LI companies and the NC contribution was 2 companies. The two NC LI companies were furnished by the 1st and 2nd NC Regiments. The regimental source of the MA LI troops has not been developed. Major William Hull commanded the MA detachment, while Major Hardee Murfree lead the 2 NC companies. My interest now is to identify the LI Company Commanders of the Corps. Best regards, Hugh <[email protected]>

Ed, You are correct, the year was 1778. -----Original Message----- From: Ed St.Germain [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:34 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AMER-REV] Battle at Tappan New York Chuck: There was a battle at Tappan on 28 Sep 1778. Are you sure you have the year correct? Best regards, Ed For Revolutionary War Info on the Internet, your first choice should be: www.AmericanRevolution.org ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== List Mom for AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L: Diana Boothe [email protected] ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Is there anyone that has any information on or know where I could find information on a battle that occurred in or about September 1779 at Tappan New York? The New York Militia of Orange County with A. Hawke Hays command was involved.

Ed - Believe you're mistaken about there being no relationship between "Drums Along the Mohawk" and Oriskany. I vaguely recall reading the book by Walter D. Edmonds, but vividly remember the John Ford movie starring Henry Fonda. In it, the militia column under the fat, pipe smoking Dutchman Herkimer (Oskar Homolka) marches out, but is ambushed (offscreen). The column returns at night with many wounded and a dying Herkimer. A distraught Claudette Colbert finally finds her wounded husband Fonda at the back of the column and brings him in. Later on, when the settlers fort is under siege from the Indians, they are rescued by a force of Continentals - ostensibly Benedict Arnold's relief force. Speaking of historical fiction, if any of you haven't read Kenneth Roberts excellent novels on the Revolution, "Arundel" and "Rabble In Arms", you are in for a real treat. Great stuff. Regards, - Doug http://www.nyhistory.net/~drums/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed St.Germain" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:46 AM Subject: Re: New York State Rev. War sites > Joanne: > > Yes, excellent books for travelers. I'm glad to see, from his list, that > he's branching out from upstate NY and now includes VA and PA in the > collection. > > Another excellent traveler's guide is "American Revolutionary War Sites, > Memorials, Museums and Library Collections" sub-titled "A State-by-State > Guidebook to Places Open to the Public" by Doug Gelbert, ISBN # > 0-7864-0494-9, published by McFarland & Co., Jefferson, NC. > > As much as I love "Drums Along the Mohawk," it has absolutely nothing to > do > with the Battle of Oriskany. You might also want to visit the website of > the > same name: > http://www.nyhistory.net/~drums/ > > Best regards, > Ed > For Revolutionary War Info on the Internet, your first choice should be: > www.AmericanRevolution.org >

Doug: It wasn't Oscar Homolka, he wasn't even in it. You're thinking of Roger Imhof. One of my favorites, Edna Mae Oliver, got an Oscar nomination for her role, and of course, I've always been madly in love with Claudette Colbert. The statement that was made was: "See also the Henry Fonda film "Drums Along the Mohawk" for the story of the Battle of Oriskany." It doesn't tell the "story of the Battle of Oriskany", not even close. It has absolutely nothing to do with the battle of Oriskany. Naming a character Nicholas Herkimer doesn't make it a story about the battle any more than naming a character George Washington would make it a movie about the Battle of Trenton. From the Internet Movie Database: "Before the Revolutionary War farmer Martin brings bride Magdelana to the Mohawk Valley where they are burned out by Indians. Neighbors take them in and Martin joins the militia to fight the Indians." Best regards, Ed For Revolutionary War Info on the Internet, your first choice should be: www.AmericanRevolution.org

Chuck: There was a battle at Tappan on 28 Sep 1778. Are you sure you have the year correct? Best regards, Ed For Revolutionary War Info on the Internet, your first choice should be: www.AmericanRevolution.org

Anyone who plans to travel through upstate NY this summer might want to consult this site: http://www.revolutionaryday.com/nyroute5/ Traveling to Utica on family business this past weekend, I took the time to drive another ten miles or so west and visited the Oriskany Battlefield, site of the bloody August 6, 1777 confrontation. My ancestor Valentin Froelich participated in that battle, and his name is on the monument. It's taken years for me to make the time to do something like visit this place. The grounds include good historic information, plus picnic tables and enough room for adults to walk and children to run. It opens officially only a little later in the season. See also the Henry Fonda film "Drums Along the Mohawk" for the story of the Battle of Oriskany. Joanne Garland

Joanne: Yes, excellent books for travelers. I'm glad to see, from his list, that he's branching out from upstate NY and now includes VA and PA in the collection. Another excellent traveler's guide is "American Revolutionary War Sites, Memorials, Museums and Library Collections" sub-titled "A State-by-State Guidebook to Places Open to the Public" by Doug Gelbert, ISBN # 0-7864-0494-9, published by McFarland & Co., Jefferson, NC. As much as I love "Drums Along the Mohawk," it has absolutely nothing to do with the Battle of Oriskany. You might also want to visit the website of the same name: http://www.nyhistory.net/~drums/ Best regards, Ed For Revolutionary War Info on the Internet, your first choice should be: www.AmericanRevolution.org

Rosalie, Thank you so much for this information. It is very helpful, and I appreciate it. Every bit helps, since so many of the records of that time were lost due to fire, war, hurricanes, etc. It is a long journey attempting to recreate these events, but rewarding. I have learned much of the history of our country, and have also learned that the people with whom I correspond, are all true patriots; love of family, love of history, love of country. Barb Brown Hootman -------------- Original message from "Roser" <[email protected]>: -------------- > > Rosalie in Bar Harbor, Me. > God Bless America > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:35 PM > Subject: Brig. Gen. Francis Marion - The Swamp Fox - internet source. > > > > "A Sketch of the Life of Brig. General Francis Marion" > By William Dobein James, A.M. (Member of Marion's Militia) > > > > > > > > A Sketch of the Life of BRIG. GEN. FRANCIS MARION, and A History of his Brigade, > From its Rise in June, 1780, until Disbanded in December, 1782; With > Descriptions of Characters and Scenes, not heretofore published. > By William Dobein James, A.M. During that Period one of Marion's Militia. At > Present one of the Associate Judges in Equity, South Carolina. > ~~~~~ > > > > > > > > > > Francis Marion was born in 1732 at either at St. John's Parish, Berkeley, or St. > James's Parish, Goose Creek; the respective homes of his father's and mother's > families. 1732 is probably correct as the year of Francis's birth, but is not > absolutely certain. Marion was of French extraction; his grandfather, Gabriel, > left France soon after the revocation of the edict of Nantz, in 1685, on account > of his being a protestant, and retired from persecution to this new world, then > a wilderness; no doubt under many distresses and dangers, and with few of the > facilities with which emigrants settle new, but rich countries, at the present > day. His son, also called Gabriel, was the father of five sons, Isaac, Gabriel, > Benjamin, Francis, and Job, and of two daughters, grandmothers of the families > of the Mitchells, of Georgetown, and of the Dwights, formerly of the same place, > but now of St. Stephen's parish. > > Mr. Henry Ravenel, of Pineville, now more than 70 years of age, knew him in the > year 1758; he had then lost his father; and, removing with his mother and > brother Gabriel from Georgetown, they settled for one year near Frierson's lock, > on the present Santee canal (South Carolina). The next year Gabriel removed to > Belle Isle, in St. Stephen's parish, late the residence of his son, the Hon. > Robert Marion. > > Francis settled himself in St. John's, at a place called Pond Bluff, from the > circumstance of there being a pond at the bottom of a bluff, fronting the river > low grounds. This place is situated about four miles below Eutaw, on the Santee; > and he continued to hold it during life. Others fix his settling in St. John's, > at a later period: this is of little consequence, but what is of some, was that > in this most useful of all stations, a tiller of the ground, he was industrious > and successful. In the same year, 1759, the Cherokee war broke out, and he > turned out as a volunteer, in his brother's troop of provincial cavalry. > > > > > > > > > > In 1761, he served in the expedition under Col. Grant, as a lieutenant in > Captain Wm. Moultrie's company, forming part of a provincial regiment, commanded > by Col. Middleton. It is believed that he distinguished himself in this > expedition, in a severe conflict between Col. Grant and the Indians, near > Etchoee, an Indian town; but, if he did so, the particulars have not been handed > down to us, by any official account. General Moultrie says of him, "he was an > active, brave, and hardy soldier; and an excellent partisan officer." We come > now to that part of Marion's life, where, acting in a more conspicuous > situation, things are known of him, with more certainty. > > > > > > > > > > In the beginning of the year 1775, he was elected one, of what was then called > the provincial congress of South Carolina, from St. John's. This was the public > body which agreed to the famous continental association, recommended by > congress, to prevent the importation of goods, wares, and merchandizes, from > Great Britain: they likewise put a stop to all suits at law, except where > debtors refused to renew their obligations, and to give reasonable security, or > when justly suspected of intentions to leave the province, or to defraud their > creditors; and they appointed committees in the several districts and parishes > in the state, which were called committees of public safety, to carry these acts > into effect. > > > > > > > > > > The year 1780, was the most eventful one, in the annals of South Carolina. The > late failure of the attack on Savannah; the little opposition which Gen. Prevost > met with, in a march of more than one hundred miles through the state; the > conduct of the planters, in submitting, to save their property; and the well > known weakness of the southern army; all conspired to induce the enemy to > believe, that Charleston, and South Carolina, would become an easy prey. > > Sir Henry Clinton, their commander in chief, meditating a formidable expedition > against them; with this view sailed from New York on the 26th December, 1779, > with an army, which, with subsequent reinforcements amounted to about 12,000 > men. To oppose this great force, Gen. Lincoln had not more than two thousand, a > great part of which was militia. His head quarters were in Charleston, where the > general assembly were setting in calm deliberation, for they had not yet heard > of the rising storm. > > > > > > > > > > Lieut. Col. Marion, had command of the out-post of this little army, at Sheldon, > near Pocotaligo, where he had orders to watch the motions of Prevost, and > prevent him from obtaining supplies of provisions, from the Carolina side of > Savannah river. It was expected he was to remain here for some time, and great > confidence was reposed in him, by Gen. Lincoln, as appears by his letters, at > this period. The British were to detach small parties through the country, and > to take all the horses which were fit, either to transport their cannon and > baggage, or to mount their cavalry. In one month after their landing, Col. > Banastre Tarleton had his legion mounted, and began his career of slaughter. > > On the 18th March, he surprised a party of 80 militia, at Saltketcher bridge, > killed and wounded several, and dispersed the rest. On the 23d, he put to flight > another party at Ponpon, killed three, wounded one, and took four prisoners. On > the 27th, near Rantowle's bridge, he had a rencounter with Col. Washington, at > the head of his legion of 300 men; Tarleton was worsted in this affair, and lost > seven men, prisoners. > > > > > > > > > > "I have given orders, that the inhabitants of the province, who have taken part > in this revolt, should be punished with the greatest rigour; and also those who > will not turn out, that they may be imprisoned, and their property taken from > them, or destroyed. I have likewise ordered, that compensation be made out of > their estates, to the persons who have been injured or oppressed by them. I have > ordered, in the most positive manner, that every militia man who has borne arms > with us, and afterwards joined the army, shall be immediately hanged. I desire > you will take the most rigourous measures to punish the rebels in the district > in which you command; and that you obey in the strictest manner the directions I > have given in this letter, relative to the inhabitants of this country." --- > Lord Cornwallis > > > > > > > > > > In addition to the enormity of the principle, upon which such menwere to suffer, > was the uncertainty of the law; for Lord Cornwallis' orders are so confusedly > drawn, they will admit, as against the accused, of any latitude of construction: > yet they denounce confiscation, imprisonment and death. Under the circumstances > stated, the confiscations of Lord Cornwallis were robberies, his imprisonments > were unjust and cruel, and his executions, always upon the gibbet, were military > murders. And if, to gain his point, he did not, like the Duke of Alva, (employed > in a similar vocation) make use of the rack, the stake, and the faggot, yet Lord > Cornwallis resorted to every other mode of punishment, a more improved > civilization had left him, to suppress civil liberty. > > Such was the character of the commander in chief of the Britishforces in South > Carolina. On one expedition (Nelson's Ferry - Nov. 1780), Tarleton burnt the > house, out houses, corn and fodder, and a great part of the cattle, hogs and > poultry, of the estate of Gen. Richardson. The general had been active with the > Americans, but was now dead; and the British leader, in civilized times, made > his widow and children suffer for the deeds of the husband and parent, after the > manner of the East, and coast of Barbary. What added to the cruel nature of the > act, was that he had first dined in the house, and helped himself to the > abundant good cheer it afforded. But we have seen before the manner in which he > requited hospitality. It was generally observed of Tarleton and his corps, that > they not only exercised more acts of cruelty than any one in the British army, > but also carried further the spirit of depredation. > > To people of good feelings, but particularly the religious, this period (1780 > and 1781) was truly distressing. From the time of the fall of Charleston, all > public education was at an end, and soon after, all public worship was > discontinued. Men from sixty years of age, down to boys of fourteen, (few of > whom dared to stay at home) were engaged in active and bloody warfare. These had > their minds in constant occupation, which, in whatever moral situation a man may > be placed, brings with it a certain degree of satisfaction, if not contentment. > All were actuated by the love of country, and but few by the love of fame: and > next to the duties of religion, the exercise of those of patriotism excites the > highest energy and brings the most sublime satisfaction to the human mind. But > to the female sex, and the superannuated of the male, little consolation of that > nature could be afforded. Even these were exposed to that kind of danger which > might be inflicted by brutality at home, and ! > most of them had relatives in the field to whom they were bound by the most > tender and sacred ties, who were subjected to constant dangers, and for whose > fate they were unceasingly anxious. > > There was no place for the pleasures of society, for in the country these were > too remote from a home that must constantly be watched. As a comfort in this > situation females employed themselves in domestic occupations, in which that of > the distaff had a considerable share, and all might indeed have exercised their > private devotions; but that faint picture of heaven, that sweet consolation > which is derived from associating with one's friends in public worship, was > wholly denied them. Most of the churches in towns and the country, were either > burnt or made depots for the stores of the enemy; some in fact were converted > into stables; and of the remainder, all in the country were closed.-In a warfare > of such atrocity there was little safety in any situation where numbers were > collected, and as we have seen that the tories, by their murders, violated the > sanctity of private dwellings, how then could it be expected they would be awed > by the holiness of a church? > ~~~~~ > > > > > > > > > > COWPENS > > > > > > > > > > Gen. Moultrie received his account of this action of the Cowpens "from an > officer of great veracity and high rank, who was conspicuous on that day;" > supposed to be Col. Washington. The substance of his account shall now be given: > > Gen. Morgan drew up his men in an open pine barren, the militia of about four > hundred men, under Col. Pickens, formed the first line. The continentals of > about five hundred men, two hundred of whom were raw troops, formed the second > line, under Col. Howard, two hundred yards in the rear. Col. Washington, with > seventy-five continental cavalry, and forty-five militia under Capt. M'Call, in > the rear. Pickens ordered his men to reserve their fire till the enemy came > within fifty yards, which they did, and fired with great success; but they were > soon obliged to give way and retreat behind the second line, which received them > warmly; at length the second line began to give way. Col. Washington, perceiving > this, rode up to their rear with his cavalry, and told Howard, "if he would > rally his men and charge the enemy's line, he would charge the cavalry who were > cutting down the militia." His riding so close to the rear stopped the British, > and Howard rallied his men in the mean time,! > and charged with fixed bayonets. Col. Washington charged the cavalry and routed > them; the militia at the same time recovered themselves and began to fire, and > the whole threw the enemy into the utmost confusion. Howard called out to them, > "to lay down their arms and they should have good quarters." Upwards of five > hundred men threw down their arms and surrendered. Two hundred were left dead on > the field, and a great number wounded. > > Besides the two field pieces mentioned by Tarleton, six hundred men, eight > hundred stand of arms, and thirty-five baggage waggons, fell into the hands of > the Americans. Col. Washington pursued the British cavalry twenty-five miles. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > > > > Gen. Marion's Epitaph > -------- > > > > > > > > > > Sacred to the Memory of BRIG. GEN. 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