Mary, I have forwarded your last email to my cousin, Frances Hall who did all the genealogy work on the Burton family. I do not have any further information on this family, but perhaps Frances does. Good luck. Ester

Debbie -- > List of Prisoners > William SAYLE > (Protection, 61 years of age does not > mean to be exchanged.) > > Letter from Stephen Moore and John Barnwell to General > N. Greene > (From North Carolina State Records) > PRISON SHIP FORBAY, CHARLES TOWN HARBOUR, > 18th Mary, 1781 I find your query of interest and am answering somewhat reluctantly in fear that I may give you a false lead. as I will be GUESSING in a few places. FACT: There was only one Royal Navy ship in American waters carried on the naval establishment (i.e., subject to all the official administrative requirements as a war ship) officially desigbated as a Prison Ship. This was HMS JERSEY, a former 4th rate, 60-gun, ship of the line built in 1736 and converted into a Hospital Ship in 1771, which on 26 Dec 1780 was officially redesignated a Prison Ship. HMS JERSEY arrived at New York in 1776 and was abandoned there in Nov 1783. FACT: Virtually all the Royal Navy ships carried American prisoners at verious times. Most were taken from ships captured at sea. FACT: Naval POWs and military POWs were not interchangeable. The British proposed "mixing" but this was turned down upon Washington's objection to the Continental Congress. Therefore, Naval POWs were only exchanged for other naval POWs and solidiers for soldiers, etc. The British Commissary General of Prisoners was Joshua Loring, a vile Loyalist who stole supplies from the POWs and sold them but is best known for his wife becoming the mistress of General Sir William owe. The British Commisary General for Naval Prisoners was David Sproat, another Loyalist. To the best of my knowledge, after the British returned from Philadelphia to New York, this office remained in New York The first American Commisary General of Prisoners (with Continental Army rank as Colonel) was Elias Boudinot, appointed in 1777. He was followed by John Beatty and then Abraham Skinner. I have never learned of an American Commissary General of Naval Prisoners. GUESS: British Naval POWs were handled by one of the American Deputy Commissary Generals of Prisoners (Majors) or Assistant Deputy Commissary Generals of prisoners (Captains). GUESS: The American POWs at Charlestown were handled by Loyalist subordinates of the New York office. "(Protection, 61 years of age does not mean to be exchanged.)" FACT: A "Protection" was a document given merchant sailors which exempted them from being impressed into the royal navy. GUESS: "does not mean to be exchanged." looks like he was asking to remain within British control and was exempting himself from the queue of POWs awaiting to be exchanged. FACT: Officers usually were paroled awaiting exchange but seamen were incarcerated. FACT: I can not identify Stephen Moore and John Barnwell. "PRISON SHIP FORBAY, CHARLES TOWN HARBOUR, 18th Mary, 1781" GUESS: "FORBAY" seems a strange name so I suspect this is should be TORBAY. FACT: "Torbay" is a port in Devonshire on "Tor Bay" off the English Channel. HMS TORBAY was a 3rd-rate, 74-gun, ship of the line, manned by 600 men. Built in 1750, in 1781 she was assigned to the Leeward Islands station under the command of Captain John Lewis Gidoin. I have no record of HMS TORBAY serving in American waters until 1783. GUESS: HMS TORBAY was too deep (i.e., drew too much water) to get over the bar and get into Charlestown (now Charleston SC) harbour. "18th Mary, 1781" FACT: Vice Admiral Arbuthnot's Line of Battle on 16 March 1781 DID NOT include HMS TORBAY. On 14 May 1781 Vice Admiral Arbuthnot was back at Sandy Hook. COMMENTS: (1) The possibility exists that a transport ship named FORBAY (or TORBAY) had been pressed into service as a floating prison. This was a common practice by both sides. I have a list of several hundred of the transport ships employed by the British but do not find a transport named FORBAY (or TORBAY) (2) This entry appears to me as belonging to an American seaman, probably taken from a vessel captured by the British. (3) I recommend you attempt to obtain a photo-copy of the original document before you make any conclusions Bob Brooks, retired on the downeast coast of Maine

Hello again. Question: A record for a William SAYLE as prisoner on the ship "FORBAY". States prisoners are probably from Battle of Camden. Can I assume that would mean that Wm Sayle was a Patriot? And do you know what this notation after his name would mean? Very appreicatively, Debbie Wood List of Prisoners William SAYLE (Protection, 61 years of age does not mean to be exchanged.) Letter from Stephen Moore and John Barnwell to General N. Greene (From North Carolina State Records) PRISON SHIP FORBAY, CHARLES TOWN HARBOUR, 18th Mary, 1781 --- [email protected] wrote: > DEBBIE > > DAR Patriot Index page 2345 > Cornelius Sale > born 1749 VA > d 1808 GA > m-Jane Dawson > PS VA > > ----DAR ONLINE------- > SALE, CORNELIUS > circa 1750 > service locatioin NC > death before 2-1811 NC > Rank CS PS > no spouse listed (1) > ============= > No William Sayle or Sale found listed > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > We have archives! Search for your > AMERICAN-REVOLUTION information here..... > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=AMERICAN-REVOLUTION > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and > search for your ancestors at the same time. Share > your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html

Infomation about the Peter STEPHENS I seek, is as follows: Born circa 1730 place unknown, may have been born in PA or VA. His parents married in PA but removed to Frederick Co VA. They removed again to Montgomery Co VA, in the area that became Grayson Co VA. Peter married Anna Maria Chrisman and he died in 1812 in Montgomery Co Va, near the NC border. Could this online information refer to him? Thank you very much for your time! Debbie Wood "..Capt. Augustin Spain's Company of the 2nd North Carolina Regiment of Militia Formerly Commanded by Col. Benj. Exum Now under the Command of Col. Sam'l Jarvis, of the 1st Reg't http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncrevwar/spain.htm Name Rank Augustin Spain Captain Jno. Reddick Lieut Nathan Godley Ensign Wm. Spencer Do 1 Thos Worsley Serg't 2 David Everett Do 3 Peter Stephens Corp'l From the State Records of North Carolina, Vol. XVII, 1781-1785, pub. 1899, p. 1057-1058." __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail

Jackie: I would appreciate any information on JOSIAH BURTON; and JOHN BURTON if you can do it for me....I am not sure who my JEREMIAH JARET BURTON connects to...but JOSIAH BURTON per my records belongs to JOSEPH BURTON and they were at some time in Abbeville SC....I am thinking that my JEREMIAH JARET BURTON belongs to one of JOSEPH's children, and he has a son named JOSIAH, so I don't know if yours is one and the same JOSIAH. Thanks in advance, Mary MC in Ga. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tanimara" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [AMER-REV] Revolutionary War ancestors Josiah Burton > Any connections to VT or NH? > File # W 20812 > Josiah Burton > > Gives wife Abigail Colburn, surviving children, Polly Mrs. Levi Goodrich, > and Betsey, Widow of charles Barnum. Josiah lists brother John. > > I can send info if you think he connects. > > Jackie > > Mary Mcpherson wrote: > >> Would you give me some information on your JOSIAH BURTON? i AM looking >> for his children...Mary Mc in Ga. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ester Eads" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 12:39 PM >> Subject: Re: [AMER-REV] To honor the memory of our Revolutionary War >> ancestors >> >> >>> I'd like to honor my patriots: >>> >>> William Pratt >>> Josiah Burton >>> Hugh Randolph >>> >>> All from South Carolina >>> >>> Ester Eads >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== >>> To unsubscribe from the AMERICAN-REVOLUTION list, send the command >>> "unsubscribe" to >>> [email protected] (if in mail mode) or >>> [email protected] (if in digest mode.) >>> >>> ============================== >>> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== >> Check out other genealogy resources on the net at John Fuller's most >> helpful site >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail.html >> >> ============================== >> New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your >> ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. >> Learn more: >> http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >> >> >> >> > > -- > > *"A people without a history is like wind on the buffalo grass" * > > *Crazy Horse - Oglala Sioux * > > *County Coordinator Ripley Co MO GenWeb* > <http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Emoripley/> > > *Moderator HarringtonGen* <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/harringtongen/> > > *Owner/Breeder Tanimara Great Pyrenees - Livestock Guardians* > <http://www.geocities.com/tanimara_2000/> > > > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > List Mom for AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L: > Diana Boothe [email protected] > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Ester: Thank you so much for your reply on JOSEPH BURTON....I have been trying to get information on this family because of my great/great grandfather JEREMIAH JARET BURTON...he was born Apr 1814, South Carolina, and I thought that JOSEPH could be a great fit for his grandfather...I would like to ask a big big favor, do you have anything on JOHN , MEHATABEL, DOUGLAS or WILLIAM BURTONs children? wives etc...I think that one of these men could very possibly be the father of my JEREMIAH....he came to Georgia without our being able to find out who his father was....He settled in Burton Town, Rabun County, Ga....the Lake Burton is named for the Town; and the town after JEREMIAH....so we have alot to be looking for....Any little bit of help would be appreciated...and I really did appreciate your sharing JOSEPH's children and JOSIAH's information....we are looking at all of JOSEPH's children...tHANK YOU AGAIN. Mary Mc in Ga. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tanimara" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [AMER-REV] To honor the memory of our Revolutionary War ancestors > No Joseph listed in the Rev War Pension Applications > > Jackie > > Ester Eads wrote: > >> My pleasure, Mary! I know I listed Josiah Burton as my Rev. War patriot, >> but I did that from memory and I was wrong. Actually, it was his father >> Joseph Burton who fought in the American Revolution. >> >> Josiah Burton b. ca 1758 in Abbeville, SC >> married my Mary Pratt b. ca 1763 in ca 1782. >> >> Their children were: >> Robert Burton b. ca 1783 m. Sara Hall >> Sarah Burton b. ca 1788 m. Winston Hall >> William Burton b. 1790 m. Elizabeth ? >> Caleb Burton b. 1792 m. Dicey Smith >> John Burton b. 1796 m. Elizabeth Pruitt >> Elizabeth Burton b 1797 m. Samuel Black >> Peter S. Burton b. 1801 m. Harriett Martha McGee >> Mary Burton b. 9-29-1810 m. Joshua Ashley, Jr. >> >> All these birthdates are "about" and all the children were born in >> Abbeville, South Carolina. >> >> My cousin's approved DAR application list Josiah's siblings as: >> John Burton >> William Burton >> Elizabeth Burton >> Sarah Burton >> Catherine Burton >> Mahatabel Burton >> Douglas Burton >> Mary Burton >> >> I hope this was more than you needed. >> >> Best, >> Ester >> >> >> >> ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== >> To unsubscribe from the AMERICAN-REVOLUTION list, send the command >> "unsubscribe" to >> [email protected] (if in mail mode) or >> [email protected] (if in digest mode.) >> >> ============================== >> New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your >> ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. >> Learn more: >> http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >> >> >> >> > > -- > > *"A people without a history is like wind on the buffalo grass" * > > *Crazy Horse - Oglala Sioux * > > *County Coordinator Ripley Co MO GenWeb* > <http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Emoripley/> > > *Moderator HarringtonGen* <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/harringtongen/> > > *Owner/Breeder Tanimara Great Pyrenees - Livestock Guardians* > <http://www.geocities.com/tanimara_2000/> > > > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > List Mom for AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L: > Diana Boothe [email protected] > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Thank you very much!! Debbie Wood --- [email protected] wrote: > DEBBIE > > DAR Patriot Index page 2345 > Cornelius Sale > born 1749 VA > d 1808 GA > m-Jane Dawson > PS VA > > ----DAR ONLINE------- > SALE, CORNELIUS > circa 1750 > service locatioin NC > death before 2-1811 NC > Rank CS PS > no spouse listed (1) > ============= > No William Sayle or Sale found listed > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > We have archives! Search for your > AMERICAN-REVOLUTION information here..... > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=AMERICAN-REVOLUTION > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and > search for your ancestors at the same time. Share > your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Thanks to everybody who responded to my various posts. As for Daniel Morgan I need to zero in on his whereabouts and activities at the time he was called to quell the Tory uprising at Brake in Hardy County in 1781. I am looking for things like who ordered him out, any letters or reports he may have left of the action etc. Again thanks to everyone who has helped me. Best Regards David Armstrong Elkins, WV

David, I have a contemporary book called "The North Carolina Continentals," by Hugh F. Rankin. It is indexed, and there are 10 separate pages that mention him, and he has a grouping of pages 265-281. You might try purchasing that one from Amazon, as it is still in print. James David Armstrong wrote: > Thanks to everybody who responded to my various posts. As for Daniel > Morgan I need to zero in on his whereabouts and activities at the time > he was called to quell the Tory uprising at Brake in Hardy County in > 1781. I am looking for things like who ordered him out, any letters > or reports he may have left of the action etc. > Again thanks to everyone who has helped me. > > Best Regards > > David Armstrong > Elkins, WV > > > ==== AMERICAN-REVOLUTION Mailing List ==== > USGS Mapping Information query form > http://www-nmd.usgs.gov/www/gnis/gnisform.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

MORGAN, DANIEL Virginia Biography House of Representatives, page 120 & 170 Encyclopedia of VA Biography MORGAN, DANIEL born in Hunterdom county, NJ in 1736 moved to VA, commissined captain of a comopany of VA Rifleman in July 1775 taken prisoner at Quebec Dec, 31, 1775; Colonel of the 11th VA Reg. Nov. 12, 1776; Regiment designated the 7th VA, Sept. 14, 1778; Brigadier-General in the Continental Army Oct. 30, 1760 given thanks of Congress and a Gold Medal retired to his estate known as "Saratoga" near Winchester VA commanded the VA Militia ordered out by President Washington in 1794 to supress the whiskey insurrection in PA; presented credentials as a member-elect to the fifth congress as a Federalist, and the election was unsuccessfully contested by Robert Rutherford, served from March 4, 1797 until March 3, 1799; declined reelection on account of ill health, died in Winchester VA July 6, 1802. ============== other info ============ I don't know if this is another Daniel Morgan or they are describing the same one. page DANIEL MORGAN Welsh descent married to Abigail Bailey workd for his father on a herb farm and received an education he removed to Carlisle, PA 1751 to Charleston, VA in 1754 joined Braddock army as a teamster 1755 transported the wounded to their homes, 1753 recieved 5 hundred lashes on his bare back from knocking down a british officer. in 1757 with the the militia sent to quell an indian uprising at Edwards Fort on Cocapehn river(?) took part in the Indian campaign in 1758........etc there is more information written on this Daniel Morgan. page 144 Charles Porterfield born VA enlisted in the first military company organzised in 1775 in Frederick county to defend the patriot cause, Daniel Morgan being Captain, joined Washington's army at Cambridge MASS and was with Col. Arnold in the expedition of Quebec in the disastious assualtt on that city was taken prisoner on Dec. 31, 1775 he was exchanged, and again joined Feb 3, 1777 served as Captian in Morgan's Rifles 1777-1778

DEBBIE DAR Patriot Index page 2345 Cornelius Sale born 1749 VA d 1808 GA m-Jane Dawson PS VA ----DAR ONLINE------- SALE, CORNELIUS circa 1750 service locatioin NC death before 2-1811 NC Rank CS PS no spouse listed (1) ============= No William Sayle or Sale found listed

James and all - Thank you for your kind words James -- I wasn't feeling left out -- truth be known - my direct maternal lines removed to Nova Scotia and my paternal lines are "suspected" Quakers. I haven't proven descent from the Quaker lines yet, I actually suspect them to be Baptists ---- which may yet lead me to a Rev. War ancestor!! Bottom line, tho, is I'm still very proud of the ancestors who fought to keep us free, be they mine or list members'. Terri

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With all the talk of Daniel Morgan, I have a tangential question. I have a in-law who was a CW vet in the 5th and 6th SC Infantry. His name was Oliver Perry Morgan. I have been unable to connect him to Daniel Morgan. Has anyone worked on that family line? James Stone [email protected]

David: I prefer the Higginbotham book myself. I don't believe his papers are extant. Callahan, North. Daniel Morgan: Ranger of the revolution. New York: Holt, Rinehart and Winston, 1961. Dean, Sidney Walter. Fighting Dan of the Long Rifles. Philadelphia: Macrae-Smith Co., 1942. Edwards, William Waller. "Morgan and His Riflemen." William and Mary Quarterly, 1st Ser., 23 (October 1914), pp. 73-106. Farley, M. Foster. "'The Old Wagoner' and the 'Green Dragoon.'" Hist Today 25 (1975): pp. 190-95. Article on Morgan's 17 Jan 1781 victory at Cowpens. Graham, James. The Life of General Daniel Morgan of the Virginia Line of the United States, with portions of his Correspondence. New York: Derby & Jackson, 1856. Higginbotham, Don. Daniel Morgan: Revolutionary Rifleman. Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press, 1961. Higginbotham, Don. "Daniel Morgan, Revolutionary Rifleman." Ph.D. Dissertation, Duke University, 1958. Higginbotham, Don "Daniel Morgan: Guerrilla Fighter." In George A. Billias, editor, George Washington's Generals (New York: Morrow, 1964), pp. 291-317. Morgan, Daniel. "General Daniel Morgan. An Autobiography." Historical Magazine, 2d Ser., 9 (June 1871), pp. 379-380. Best regards, Ed For Revolutionary War Info on the Internet, your first choice should be: www.AmericanRevolution.org

Query: I need to find the most exhaustive, detailed and definitive biography on Gen. Daniel Morgan. Does anyone know which one would be best? Query: Does anyone know if Morgan's papers are extant or where? Thanks. Best Regards David Armstrong Elkins, WV

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Bill Carr wrote > (1) I'd love the reference. Please provide to all. William Ward was the one who was on trial. He lived in Pendleton (then Rockingham) County, VA. Morton in his history fingers Ward as the leaader of the Torys at the "Tory Camp" in Randolph County but the camp pre-dates Ward's trial by a year or more. What is known for sure is this: Rockingham Co VA Order Book 29 Aug 1780 - William Ward charged with having uttererd on 27 Feb 1780 for people to take up arms against the USA. 4 Statements: "Americans would just as soon fight the Devil as the English" "The US has never done anything in the war but take Burgoyne and that was by accident" "England had a right to send forces the the US because the US owed England a debt" "The US are cowards since they hired foreginers to fight their battles" This guy seems to have forgotten the Indians and Germans that his majesty was using. I never have exactly figured out what he meant by that "by accident" remark regarding Saratoga. There are some other bits and pieces in the court record and Morton says that Ward was sent to Williamsburgh for trial. I have not yet followed up on that. If Ward was the typical tory agent living among the settlements he would not likely have been shooting his mouth off like that. If he was the leader at the "Tory Camp" on the Dry Fork I am unaware of anything in particular that the people in the camp ever did. Maybe they were a safehouse for invading tory forces from the west. A location pretty far east for such a purpose but very remote and hard to get to. The historical marker for the Tory Camp got knocked over by traffic. A shame as we don't have that many Rvolutionary era monuments around here. Best Regards David Armstrong Elkins, WV

Hello My name is Debbie Wood and I'm told that two of my direct descendants from my SAYLE/SALE family were Revolutionary War Veterans. They lived in Wilkes Co NC which formed in 1777 from Surry Co NC and the District of Washington. I've not found them on any online rosters and would like to ask if anyone with the resources at hand would have a look for them. Your time is greatly appreciated! Debbie Wood Here are their names and info I received about them. I am told that William SAYLE (1725-1788)of Wilkes County, NC and his son Cornelius SALE (1750-after 1811) both served NC or VA (perhaps State Line?)in the Revolutionary War. I was given this with no source listed.... "There is a record of the imprisonment of William Sale II during the Revolutionary War". William Sale (c. 1720-1788) served in the war, even to the point of becoming a POW, and several if not all of his sons fought for the patriot cause." "My understanding of the imprisonment is that it involved William and others of the Wilkes County militia taken by the redcoats in their devastating incursions into North Carolina." __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html

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