In a message dated 3/17/00 8:23:44 PM Mountain Standard Time, cherylann@hotbot.com writes: << In looking at the 1850 Census available on line I found the following entry in Dover Twp. York, Co. Are these people related somehow? Alivine John 34 Alivine Catherine 35 Elisa A.(forgot to copy age sorry) Mary A.(forgot to copy age sorry) Ann M. 8 Francis 6 Sylvester 5 }both listed as being 5 Lewis 5 Dominic 2 Cheryl >> Cheryl, those are Duane Alwin's (Sylvester) and Ron Frey's (Francis) ancestors. Francis, Sylvester, Lewis and Dominic are the four brothers that all served during the Civil War that Duane posted about earlier this week (3/11/00); sons of John and Catherine Lawrence Alwine. John was the son of Conrad and Susanna Eckenroth Alwine. In 1850, many of the census takers' handwriting still had 'carryovers' from the old German script, and the letter "w" was formed exactly like the combination of "iv," just without a dot above the first peak. Since I have transcribed census data for GenWeb purposes, I can tell you that it is really tough to read some of those old microfilm images and get accurate spelling unless you are already familiar with the surname. And even today, the handwritten "Alwine" is often misinterpreted by others as "Alivine," as I personally discovered in writing my name during my school days. I occasionally showed up on classroom rosters as Christine Alivine rather than Christine Alwine. Just shows we need to keep our eyes peeled for all kinds of spellings when looking for our elusive Allwein/Alwine ancestors' records! After all, some of the Goshenhoppen records were written ALOIN! Christine Alwine Paige carfpaige@aol.com ALWINE-L List Manager