Dear Cousins, I am passing on the following information which was posted to a mailing list I am subscribed to for people researching Catholic families of PA. I checked with the original poster, Joanne Marino, first of all to obtain her permission to copy and re-post her message, and second to see if our known Allweins of St. Peter's were on her list of early/founding families. (Still keeping my eyes peeled for your ancestors, Dorothy!) Here is Joanne's original message: In a message dated 3/7/00 9:13:36 AM Mountain Standard Time, catholicpa@egroups.com writes: << Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 12:26:39 -0800 From: "Joanne Marino" <raymari@prodigy.net> X-Mailing-List: catholicpa@egroups.com Subject: [catholicpa] St. Peters Church, Elizabethtown MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For any who's lines were part of the founding families of St. Peter's Catholic Church in Elizabethtown, Lancaster County, PA, I would like to announce a reunion of sorts on May 27, 2000. Some of the surnames are ECKENRODE, EAGLE, EBBECKE, GROSS, FELIX, MYERS, MACKEY, BOLL and of course quite a few more. Email me if interested. raymari@prodigy.net >> Joanne quickly responded to my e-mail with the following response: In a message dated 3/8/00 4:35:25 PM Mountain Standard Time, raymari@prodigy.net writes: << Yes, please post this to the Alwine list! In fact, the Allwine's are mentioned some of the data I have. It really is for the early families, not just "founding" (I probably should not have used that word) families. By the way, Conrad Gross, of my line, married Julianna Eckenrode, who is the sister of your Maria! The point of this "reunion" is that the families all intermarried, and I think if we all bring our information, we can really help connect the lines. I tried for years to find the parents of Andrew and Conrad Gross and it was a Felix (related by a marriage) researcher who was able to tell me who he was and where he was buried - both times!! (another story). I do hope that you, and anyone else connected, can make it. Please have them e-mail me at raymari@prodigy.net and I will add them to my list. Thanks, Joanne Marino >> Dorothy, you will note that you and Joanne appear to be ECKENROTH/ECKENRODE cousins, and she may be able to share more information with you regarding your ancestor, Maria Magdalena Eckenroth. In any event, if any of you would like more information on this reunion at St. Peter's, please feel free to contact Joanne Marino directly, raymari@prodigy.net Christine Alwine Paige carfpaige@aol.com ALWINE-L List Manager

Lebanon Daily News Saturday March 4, 2000 SARA C. BATZ, 88, Formerly of ManorCare Health Services, Lebanon, and formerly of Hanover, died Thursday, March 2, 2000, after a lengthy illness. Born Nov. 15, 1911, in North Lebanon Lebanon Township, she was the daughter of the late Hiram J. and Catherine Arnold Batz. She retired in 1975 after working as a housekeeper at parishes in Lykens, Middletown, Elizabethtown and Danville for the Roman Catholic Diocese of Harrisburg. She was a member of the St. Vincent Catholic Church, Hanover. Mass of Christian burial will be held at 10 a.m. Monday in St. Paul the Apostle Church, 125 S. Spruce St., Annville. Interment will be in Holy Cross Cemetery, Lebanon. Relatives and friends are invited. There will be no viewing. Catherine M. Arnold's parents were Andam Aloysius Arnold and Joanna Bixler. Their parents were Jonathan Arnold and Lucetta Arnold. Nancy Allwein Nebiker

Continued sheets from Ted and Betty Allwein: ST. PETER'S ELIZABETHTOWN CEMETERY Agnes M. Alwine b. Aug. 23. 1903 d. June 27, 1923 Age 19 years 10 months Samuel Alwine b. Nov. 9, 1864 d. Mar. 20, 1917 Elizabeth C. Alwine b. Jan 6, 1869 d. Apr. 22, 1929 Sarah dau of Conrad and Rebecca Alwine (If my math is d. July 3, 1911 (corrrectly, she was born age 73 yrs. 6 mo. 5 days. ( about 12-28-1837) Conrad Alwine (If my math is correct d. March 22, 1904 ( he was born age 102 yrs 1 mo & 4 days (about 2-18-1802) (lived over 100 years!!!) Leah wife of Conrad Alwine b. Mar. 28, 1831 d. Dec. 30, 1890 Inmemory of Elizabeth wife of John Allwine b. Nov. 22, 1779 d. Jan 5, 1815 John Allwine b. May 15, 1779 d. May 3, 1849 Alberta M. Alwine b. 1896 d. 1956 husband P./cl. Leo J. Allwine b. 1890 d. 1962 World War I Horace J. Alwine b. 1858 d. 1934 Anna his wife b. 1862 d. 1920 Charles A. Alwine b. July 18, 1905 d. July 10, 1939

<< I found other sheets that Ted and Betty Allwein had given me, and wish to share with everyone. Nancy, Thanks so much for your information. I have learned so much about the Alwine family in the short time I have been subscribed! It's really exciting. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------- <<... to cousin Dorothy: I haven't had much time to get back to you on the Sabina/Savilla issue for your ancestor, but from Nancy's posting of records from St. Peter's Church in Elizabethtown, it looks like Jerome Allwein's book is the one with the incorrect name. Her name is recorded as "Sabina" for the baptisms of children of John Alwine and Maria (Magdalena) Eckenroth.>> Christine, Thanks for remembering me! :-) Dorothy

I found other sheets that Ted and Betty Allwein had given me, and wish to share with everyone. St. Michael Union Cemetery, located in Tilden Township (I think that's the spelling). Berks Co. Eva Christian Alwein b. in 1742 d. June 23, 1797 Johannes Alwein b. Sept. 27, 1787 d. Feb 8, 1794 This is Conrad's brother John first wife and child. Deaths St. Peter's Church, Elizabethtown, PA Charles A. Alwine age 33 yrs July 10, 1939 Elizabeth Alwine April 22, 1929 (from Middletown) Horace Alwine age 75 years Feb. 21, 1934 Mrs. Horace Alwine age 58 yrs. March 24, 1920 Sarah Alwine age 76 yrs July 3, 1911 John Oldwine age 70 yrs May 6, 1849 Bapt. children of Samuel Alwine and Elizabeth Kauffman Agnes Maude b. Aug 23, 1903 Bapt. Oct. 3, 1903 Anthony Charles b. July 17, 1905 Bapt. Sept. 28, 1905 Henry Joseph b. Nov 30, 1897 Bapt. Jan 16, 1897 Bapt. children of Laurance Alwine and Mary Ann Witman Mary Johana b. Feb 22, 1858 Bapt. Apr. 4, 1859 Catharine Anna b. July 13, 1853 Aug. 1853 Henry b. Aug 13, 1854 Bapt. 1856 Bapt. children of Conrad Allwein and Leah Welker Emma Sept. 1859 (in danger of death) Mar. 22, 1864 Horace Joseph b. 1858 Bapt. Dec. 19, 1880 Karl Edward b. Apr. 22, 1862 Bapt. 1881 Leo J. Louise Catharine b. 1873 Bapt. Dec. 4, 1881 Mary b. 1866 Bapt. Aug 15, 1881 Bapt. children of John Alwine and Maria Eckenroth Henry b. July 29, 1821 Bapt. Aug 12, 1821 John b. Sept. 1819 Bapt. Oct 10, 1819 Philip Stephen b. April 12, 1835 Bapt. Sept. 13, 1835 Sabina b. June 1833 Bapt. July 1833 Wilham b. Jan 31, 1832 Bapt. Feb 5, 1832 Teresa b. May 8, 1825 Bapt. June 12, 1825 Cardine bapt. Apr 1, 1832 James Allwein b. Feb 23, 1829 Bapt. Apr. 22, 1829 Lawrance b. May 7, 1827 Bapt. June 10, 1827 Sara b. Aug 2, 1823 Bapt. Feb 8, 1824 Bapt. children of John Alwine and Theresa Brooks Henry Sylvester b. Sep. 6, 1837 Bapt. Sept. 30, 1838 Maria bapt. Dec. 12, 1836 Mary Rose Ann b. Oct 5, 1840 Bapt. Oct. 15, 1840 Vincent Patrick b. Mar. 17, 1831 Bapt. Mar. 4, 1832 Jerome b. May 20, 1842 Bapt. July 21, 1842 Ceclia b. Apr. 23, 1844 Bapt. June 2, 1844 Francis L. Alwine b. Mar 1, 1847 Bapt. Apr. 11, 1847 Stephen Louis b. Sept. 22, 1851 Bapt. Nov. 23, 1851 James Philip Alwine son of Henry Alwine and Elizabeth Sensler b. Sept. 1, 1856 bapt. Nov. 16, 1856 St. Lawrance Church Colebrook, PA Henry and Eliz. Sensler Allwine's children Samuel b. Mar 18, 1859 Bapt. Oct 16, 1859 Catharine b. Apr. 18, 1854 Bapt. same day John Conrad b. Apr. 29, 1851 Bapt. Oct 12, 1851 Mary Ann b. Nov. 10, 1843 Bapt. Feb. 20, 1844 William b. Feb. 29, 1845 Bapt. Feb 20, 1905 ?? Bapt. children of Conrad and Rebecca Wolf Rebecca b. Feb 4, 1840 bapt. Feb. 15, 1840 Sara Ann b. Dec. 28, 1837 Bapt. Feb 18, 1838 Conrad b. Apr. 18, 1847 Bapt. Nov. 21, 1847 John b. April 18, 1842 Bapt. Oct. 15, 1842 Henry b. April 9, 1850 Bapt. Feb 26, 1851 Nancy Allwein Nebiker

In a message dated 2/28/00 9:36:25 AM Mountain Standard Time, nnebiker@impop.bellatlantic.net writes: << I found other sheets that Ted and Betty Allwein had given me, and wish to share with everyone. St. Michael Union Cemetery, located in Tilden Township (I think that's the spelling). Berks Co. Eva Christian Alwein b. in 1742 d. June 23, 1797 Johannes Alwein b. Sept. 27, 1787 d. Feb 8, 1794 This is Conrad's brother John first wife and child. Deaths St. Peter's Church, Elizabethtown, PA Charles A. Alwine age 33 yrs July 10, 1939 Elizabeth Alwine April 22, 1929 (from Middletown) Horace Alwine age 75 years Feb. 21, 1934 Mrs. Horace Alwine age 58 yrs. March 24, 1920 Sarah Alwine age 76 yrs July 3, 1911 John Oldwine age 70 yrs May 6, 1849 Bapt. children of Samuel Alwine and Elizabeth Kauffman Agnes Maude b. Aug 23, 1903 Bapt. Oct. 3, 1903 Anthony Charles b. July 17, 1905 Bapt. Sept. 28, 1905 Henry Joseph b. Nov 30, 1897 Bapt. Jan 16, 1897 Bapt. children of Laurance Alwine and Mary Ann Witman Mary Johana b. Feb 22, 1858 Bapt. Apr. 4, 1859 Catharine Anna b. July 13, 1853 Aug. 1853 Henry b. Aug 13, 1854 Bapt. 1856 Bapt. children of Conrad Allwein and Leah Welker Emma Sept. 1859 (in danger of death) Mar. 22, 1864 Horace Joseph b. 1858 Bapt. Dec. 19, 1880 Karl Edward b. Apr. 22, 1862 Bapt. 1881 Leo J. Louise Catharine b. 1873 Bapt. Dec. 4, 1881 Mary b. 1866 Bapt. Aug 15, 1881 Bapt. children of John Alwine and Maria Eckenroth Henry b. July 29, 1821 Bapt. Aug 12, 1821 John b. Sept. 1819 Bapt. Oct 10, 1819 Philip Stephen b. April 12, 1835 Bapt. Sept. 13, 1835 Sabina b. June 1833 Bapt. July 1833 Wilham b. Jan 31, 1832 Bapt. Feb 5, 1832 Teresa b. May 8, 1825 Bapt. June 12, 1825 Cardine bapt. Apr 1, 1832 James Allwein b. Feb 23, 1829 Bapt. Apr. 22, 1829 Lawrance b. May 7, 1827 Bapt. June 10, 1827 Sara b. Aug 2, 1823 Bapt. Feb 8, 1824 Bapt. children of John Alwine and Theresa Brooks Henry Sylvester b. Sep. 6, 1837 Bapt. Sept. 30, 1838 Maria bapt. Dec. 12, 1836 Mary Rose Ann b. Oct 5, 1840 Bapt. Oct. 15, 1840 Vincent Patrick b. Mar. 17, 1831 Bapt. Mar. 4, 1832 Jerome b. May 20, 1842 Bapt. July 21, 1842 Ceclia b. Apr. 23, 1844 Bapt. June 2, 1844 Francis L. Alwine b. Mar 1, 1847 Bapt. Apr. 11, 1847 Stephen Louis b. Sept. 22, 1851 Bapt. Nov. 23, 1851 James Philip Alwine son of Henry Alwine and Elizabeth Sensler b. Sept. 1, 1856 bapt. Nov. 16, 1856 St. Lawrance Church Colebrook, PA Henry and Eliz. Sensler Allwine's children Samuel b. Mar 18, 1859 Bapt. Oct 16, 1859 Catharine b. Apr. 18, 1854 Bapt. same day John Conrad b. Apr. 29, 1851 Bapt. Oct 12, 1851 Mary Ann b. Nov. 10, 1843 Bapt. Feb. 20, 1844 William b. Feb. 29, 1845 Bapt. Feb 20, 1905 ?? Bapt. children of Conrad and Rebecca Wolf Rebecca b. Feb 4, 1840 bapt. Feb. 15, 1840 Sara Ann b. Dec. 28, 1837 Bapt. Feb 18, 1838 Conrad b. Apr. 18, 1847 Bapt. Nov. 21, 1847 John b. April 18, 1842 Bapt. Oct. 15, 1842 Henry b. April 9, 1850 Bapt. Feb 26, 1851 Nancy Allwein Nebiker >> Nancy, thanks so much for posting this information! As you know, Johannes (John) Alwein and Eva Christian are my 5th great grandparents. I had no idea where Eva was buried AND even more importantly, I had no record of them having had a son named Johannes who died as a child! And to cousin Dorothy: I haven't had much time to get back to you on the Sabina/Savilla issue for your ancestor, but from Nancy's posting of records from St. Peter's Church in Elizabethtown, it looks like Jerome Allwein's book is the one with the incorrect name. Her name is recorded as "Sabina" for the baptisms of children of John Alwine and Maria (Magdalena) Eckenroth. Christine Alwine Paige

Civil War Recruited at Armstrong County Company K Alwine, Francis Rank DO ---Date of Muster into service Oct 12, 1861 ---------Term Years 3 ---------Mustered out with Company November 4, 1864 Alwine, Lewis --Rank DO--Date Muster into Service February 24, 1864 -------Term Years 3 -------Transferred to Company B October 18, 1864 ARE THEY SON'S OF JOHN ALWINE AND CATHERINE "KATE" LAWRENCE? Nancy Allwein Nebiker

I was looking in some of my old notes and I found this. I hope it helps!! Book---D A R Patriot Index Centennial Edition Part I page 49 Allwine Laurance b. 7-16-1756 d. 10-1-1833 OH m (1) Mary (2) Phebe Worley Pvt PA NJ PNSR

Bev - in answer to your question: yes this other cemetary is in addition to the Kimmerlings UCC cemetary. I will have to check out the information about the Kimmerlings UCC cemetary being the oldest CATHOLIC cemetary - I think maybe there was a misunderstanding about the two cemetaries. Not many people have access or know where the smaller CATHOLIC cemetary is - so maybe when people say "the cemetary is in Kimmerlings" they assume it is the UCC cemetary. I'll keep you informed! Patti -- On Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:59:22 Arciay wrote: >Patti, > So are you saying that in addition to Kimmerlings cemetery >that is there now, there is another small private cemetery on someones >property? I was out at Kimmerlings looking at the old cemeteries trying >to find Johannes Arnold's grave, he died in 1803.This all fits into my >Allwein/Arnold line. I didn't find it, but I heard Kimmerlings was the >old Catholic cemetery from the Lebanon Historical society. On the >Lebanon County map of cemeteries that you can buy from the Lebanon >Historical Society I only see Kimmerlings cemetery where the church is. >They list private property cemeteries on here aso.Keep us >updated,Thanks.. Bev >Kimmerlings United Church of Christ >1 st Jacob's drive >Lebanon,Pa 17046 >717/272-7044 >pastor's house 717/273-8926 > > > > Free, fast e-mail accessible anytime, anywhere http://www.imaginemail.com

Dear Family, I have spent the last two days (and the better part of the nights, too) scanning in some photos, rewriting HTML code, etc. in an effort to improve the ALWINE web site. Please re-visit the link below to check out the additions, including: -Photos from St. Mary's Cemetery and Kimmerlings Church -A new link to ancestral photos, with photos of some of my Alwines to start us off -New links on my main page I still have lots more work to do to make this site really useful, but I thought you all might enjoy the old photos. Here's the link and the URL: <A HREF="http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~genmom/">Chris' Genealogy Corner</A> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~genmom/ I probably won't post to this list every time I update the web site, so be sure to bookmark it and check in once in a while. I'm working on a page of military service links, more photos, and my gedcom. (I'm not rushing my gedcom work, since Thomas Stobie has such a thorough one on the Rootsweb site, and the ALWINE pages have a link to it.) As always, contributions, suggestions and comments are welcome. Christine Alwine Paige carfpaige@aol.com ALWINE-L List Manager and Webmaster

Searched my 84,000 people database and found her. She is Catherine Blough b.20 mar 1799 in Somerset Co. PA, d 11 oct 1851 in Cambria Co, PA, married bef 1829 Jacob Alwine who was b. about 1800 in Somerset Co. PA, d in Indiana Co. PA, Catherine's parents are Jacob Blough & Catherine Saylor. Jacob's parents are Philip Alwine & Sarah Miller. I have all 8 of the grandparents and 5 children and lots more if it is wanted. It is on my rootsweb site at: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=stobie Enjoy, Thomas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Alwine" <fritz1@michiana.org> To: <ALWINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 10:16 AM Subject: [ALWINE] Catharine Alwine > Does anyone know the maiden name,her husband or any family information of Catharine Alwine b:May20, 1799 d:Oct 1851 and is buried in the Stahl Mennonite cemetery in Somerset Co., Pa. > > Ray >

Does anyone know the maiden name,her husband or any family information of Catharine Alwine b:May20, 1799 d:Oct 1851 and is buried in the Stahl Mennonite cemetery in Somerset Co., Pa. Ray

On Tue, 22 Feb 2000, cheryl lutz wrote: > I received this address through another list and was wondering if this is the Goshenhoppen Church of the Allwein family. There are pictures of the two older churches under their history section. If anyone has been to this church you could let me know if this is the same church mentioned for Hans Jacob. Here is the address: www.luther95.net/AICG-HPA/. > Cheryl > > > HotBot - Search smarter. > http://www.hotbot.com > Re: Goshenhoppen Churches Dear Cheryl and Cousins, There isn't a place called Goshenhoppen anymore. In a way that's too bad because it is such a powerful word. One theory is that its origins are in the name "Shakahoppa," a Lanape Indian chief who governed the Perkiomen Creek area in the 1600s. In the 1700s there were several places with the name Goshenhoppen all up and down the Perkiomen Valley, which runs roughly from Hereford Township in Berks County south to Upper Providence Township in Montgomery County. The entire area was referred to as Goshenhoppen at one time. The earliest reference to the name Goshenhoppen was reported by William J. Hinke who found a petition to the governor of Pennsylvania dated May 10, 1728 which requested protection against a threatened Indian attack. Hinke identified Goshenhoppen (spelled 'Coshahopin') "as a region about ten miles long and five miles wide, which extends along the Perkiomen Creek, in the upper end of Montgomery County, Pennsylvania and covers also small strips of land in the adjacent counties of Berks, Lehigh and Bucks.'" [quoted by Charles Glatfelter, PASTORS AND PEOPLE, The Pennsylvania German Society, 1980, volume 1, p. 373] In the early 1700s these were the "back woods" so to speak and literally on the frontiers of European settlement. I looked "Goshenhoppen" up in the United States Geological Survey's Geographic Names Information System [http://mapping.usgs.gov] and could find only a Goshenhoppen Creek in Montgomery County, running due west of the town of Spring Mount in the direction of Pottstown. As a "place name" its use has clearly faded from existence. Also, the present-day town of Bally in Washington Township of Berks County was the location of another reference to Goshenhoppen. There was a Roman Catholic mission there, established by the Reverend Theodore Schneider, S.J., who came from Germany in 1741. According to Jerome Allwein's 1902 GENEALOGY OF THE ALLWEIN-ARNOLD FAMILIES "the first authentic record of the Allwein family" is found in the marriage register at Goshenhoppen where is recorded the marriage of Conrad Allwein and Catharine Weibel on May 16, 1773. They were married at Christian Henrich's house at Sharp mountain near Goshenhoppen. The Weibel family, it is noted, "was among the first of the old Catholic families who settled at Goshenhoppen" (p. 4). The Catholic mission at Bally later became known as St. Paul's Roman Catholic Church and eventually was renamed Most Blessed Sacrament Church, as Thomas Stobie's message (02/23) confirms. The massive reference work CATHOLIC TRAILS WEST (vol. 2) by Edmund Adams and Barbara Brady O'Keefe (Gateway Press, Baltimore MD) also connects several Allwein families to Goshenhoppen and other early Catholic congregations. They list "Hans Jacob and Katrina Allwein" as one of the founding Catholic families of Goshenhoppen, however, the information listed seems to come from a 1768 Bern Township, Berks County Tax Return. They also list Conrad and Catharine (Weibel) Allwein as founding families of Goshenhoppen. There was obviously some connection Hans Jacob and Catharina had to the Catholic congregation in Goshenhoppen, but it is not yet clear to me what the nature of that connection was. Jerome Allwein's genealogy provides a lot of information about the religious faith of Conrad and Catharine Allwein, but nothing about Hans Jacob and Catharina. There are several possibilities that need to be considered in establishing the religious affiliations of the progenitors of the Allwein family in Pennsylvania. There were also Lutheran and Reformed congregations in places called Goshenhoppen. As early as 1727 there was a Reformed congregation formed in New Goshenhoppen in Upper Hanover Township in Mongomery County. Lutheran activity came later and a congregation was founded in 1738. The New Goshenhoppen church was a union church until about 1750, when the Lutherans built their own church a few miles to the south. At about the same time in Old Goshenhoppen in Upper and Lower Salford Townships of Montgomery County, Lutheran and Reformed congregations were formed, and the two congregations built their first church in 1746 and continued sharing the church well into the 20th century. This was the longest lasting union church in the U.S. [see Charles Glatfelter, PASTORS AND PEOPLE, vol. 1, 1980, pp. 373-378]. The Old Goshenhoppen Church lasted until 1988 when, after 259 years, the Union church voted to dissolve the joint relationship of the Reformed and Lutheran congregations. The Lutheran congregation that remains refers to itself as the Advent Lutheran Church of Goschenhoppen (note the difference in spelling) [see http://www.luther95.net/ALCG-HPA/history.html]. It is located in Lower Salford Township and has a Harleysville PA address. This is the church you refer to in your earlier message. It is a fascinating discovery. We do not know whether Hans Jacob and Catharina Allwein visited any of these churches. We know that they had their son John baptised at St. John's Reformed Church in Heidelberg Township in Berks County in 1748, which is very near Bern Township, where Hans Jacob and Catharina presumably lived, in the northwest end of the county. It certainly is not out of the question that they might have visited other Protestant churches as well. We know, for example, that they were both christened March, 1749 at White Oak Brethren Church, Lancaster County [see Michael W. Lau, ALWINE FAMILIES OF YORK COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA AND SURROUNDING AREAS, Adams County Historical Society, Gettysberg PA, August, 1999]. I hope this helps. Best wishes, Cousin Duane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Duane F. Alwin Senior Research Scientist Professor and Chair and Program Director Department of Sociology Survey Research Center 3030 LS&A 4067 Institute for Social Research Phone: 734-764-5554 Phone: 734-764-6597 Fax: 734-763-6887 Fax: 734-647-4575 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The Goshenhoppen Roman Catholic Catholic mission became St. Paul's Roman Catholic Church which later was renamed Most Blessed Sacrament Roman Catholic Church and is located in Bally, Washington Township, Berks County, Pennsylvania. ----- Original Message ----- From: "cheryl lutz" <cherylann@hotbot.com> To: <ALWINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 10:00 PM Subject: [ALWINE] Goshenhoppen Church > I received this address through another list and was wondering if this is the Goshenhoppen Church of the Allwein family. There are pictures of the two older churches under their history section. If anyone has been to this church you could let me know if this is the same church mentioned for Hans Jacob. Here is the address: www.luther95.net/AICG-HPA/. > Cheryl > > > HotBot - Search smarter. > http://www.hotbot.com >

That address for Goshenhoppen Church is www.luther95.net/ALCG-HPA/ Sorry. Cheryl HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com

I received this address through another list and was wondering if this is the Goshenhoppen Church of the Allwein family. There are pictures of the two older churches under their history section. If anyone has been to this church you could let me know if this is the same church mentioned for Hans Jacob. Here is the address: www.luther95.net/AICG-HPA/. Cheryl HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com

Patti, Do you want me to e-mail you a scanned photo of Kimmerlings church/ I can if you want.I have a photo of the side with the oldest stones and the big iron fence around it.You can use it on your web site for everyone to see,I took the photo , Bev

Patti, Do you know the address of Philip & Eliz. house? I can go to Lebanon, I'm not that far. Bev

Patti, So are you saying that in addition to Kimmerlings cemetery that is there now, there is another small private cemetery on someones property? I was out at Kimmerlings looking at the old cemeteries trying to find Johannes Arnold's grave, he died in 1803.This all fits into my Allwein/Arnold line. I didn't find it, but I heard Kimmerlings was the old Catholic cemetery from the Lebanon Historical society. On the Lebanon County map of cemeteries that you can buy from the Lebanon Historical Society I only see Kimmerlings cemetery where the church is. They list private property cemeteries on here aso.Keep us updated,Thanks.. Bev Kimmerlings United Church of Christ 1 st Jacob's drive Lebanon,Pa 17046 717/272-7044 pastor's house 717/273-8926

Hi Christine, I've really enjoyed reading all about the Alwine family, but find myself not having the time to really get into it. Please unsubscribe me at this time, but thanks to everyone for bringing the clan together. Sincerely, Eileen George