Henry Brownlee wrote: > "Terry" <Terry234@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:1swmujt7jbx6i$.1hhaiatwuhzow.dlg@40tude.net... > | On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:23:26 GMT, Scruffy McScruffovitch wrote: > | > | > The death certificate is generally filled out a 1 - 3 days after the > death > | > and sometimes later if an involved autopsy is required. By that time, > the > | > family has made the arrangements, and they know where the body will be > | > intered. Also, people often make arrangements, buy burial plots, etc > | > before they croak, or they have family plots. When my dad passed in > 2005, > | > all his arrangements were already made. All we had to do is fill out > the > | > death cert information, the Coroner signed it, and sent it to the state > for > | > whatever processing they do. We got certified copies in about a month. > | > | Much the same in UK - however did the certified copy show the place of > | interment? - this is what I found interesting in the original post. > | > | In UK, although of course folks do make prior arrangements, you don't know > | from the death certificate whether the deceased was buried or cremated and > | certainly not where. > | > | Didn't mean to be picky on the interment vs. internment but didn't want to > | confuse the OP! > | -- > | Terry > > The OP had "Interment" in the subject line and a typo "intenment" in the > body of the message. Internment was not mentioned until McScuff made > a typo on interment in his reply. But everybody is correct (sans typos) - > interment is burial and internment is confinement. > > I can't speak for other parts of the U.S., but it is not unusual in our area > for a death certificate to be issued days or even weeks after the State is > notified of the person's death (and place of interment in most cases.) > Funeral parlors usually handle that chore these days, but in days of yore, > usually a relative or physican (or both) filled out the necessary forms. So > the place of interment (actually called burial on our form) is usually shown > on the certificate - it is likely only the name of the community, but > sometimes the name of the graveyard is given. > > Birth records are similar - certificates issued several days, even weeks, > after the date of birth. These days the hospitals do the paperwork. In the > past, some births never got reported to the Vital Statistics people - the > midwife or the family may not have been literate. I have a brother-in-law > born in 1920 who did not have his birth registered. He had to jump through > hoops to obtain a birth certificate before joining the U. S. Army during > WWII. Affidavits from parents, witnesses, that sort of thing. But he finally > got the BC. In UK burial is not permitted until a certificate is issued with the consent of the coroner if for example a hospital death Hugh W -- For genealogy and help with family and local history in Bristol and district http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Brycgstow/ http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:30:38 +0100, Hugh Watkins <hugh.watkins@gmail.com> wrote: >Henry Brownlee wrote: > >> "Terry" <Terry234@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:1swmujt7jbx6i$.1hhaiatwuhzow.dlg@40tude.net... >> | On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:23:26 GMT, Scruffy McScruffovitch wrote: >> | >> | > The death certificate is generally filled out a 1 - 3 days after the >> death >> | > and sometimes later if an involved autopsy is required. By that time, >> the >> | > family has made the arrangements, and they know where the body will be >> | > intered. Also, people often make arrangements, buy burial plots, etc >> | > before they croak, or they have family plots. When my dad passed in >> 2005, >> | > all his arrangements were already made. All we had to do is fill out >> the >> | > death cert information, the Coroner signed it, and sent it to the state >> for >> | > whatever processing they do. We got certified copies in about a month. >> | >> | Much the same in UK - however did the certified copy show the place of >> | interment? - this is what I found interesting in the original post. >> | >> | In UK, although of course folks do make prior arrangements, you don't know >> | from the death certificate whether the deceased was buried or cremated and >> | certainly not where. >> | >> | Didn't mean to be picky on the interment vs. internment but didn't want to >> | confuse the OP! >> | -- >> | Terry >> >> The OP had "Interment" in the subject line and a typo "intenment" in the >> body of the message. Internment was not mentioned until McScuff made >> a typo on interment in his reply. But everybody is correct (sans typos) - >> interment is burial and internment is confinement. >> >> I can't speak for other parts of the U.S., but it is not unusual in our area >> for a death certificate to be issued days or even weeks after the State is >> notified of the person's death (and place of interment in most cases.) >> Funeral parlors usually handle that chore these days, but in days of yore, >> usually a relative or physican (or both) filled out the necessary forms. So >> the place of interment (actually called burial on our form) is usually shown >> on the certificate - it is likely only the name of the community, but >> sometimes the name of the graveyard is given. >> >> Birth records are similar - certificates issued several days, even weeks, >> after the date of birth. These days the hospitals do the paperwork. In the >> past, some births never got reported to the Vital Statistics people - the >> midwife or the family may not have been literate. I have a brother-in-law >> born in 1920 who did not have his birth registered. He had to jump through >> hoops to obtain a birth certificate before joining the U. S. Army during >> WWII. Affidavits from parents, witnesses, that sort of thing. But he finally >> got the BC. > > >In UK burial is not permitted until a certificate is issued >with the consent of the coroner if for example a hospital death > That is for England and Wales (and only in prescribed circumstances), there is no direct equivalent to the Coroner system in Scotland. The general conditions under which a Coroner becomes involved are where the death is connected with :- - an accident or injury - an industrial disease - during a surgical operation - before recovery from an anaesthetic - if the cause of death is unknown - the death was sudden and unexplained, for instance, a sudden infant death (cot death). A Coroner is responsible for investigating a death in the following circumstances :- - the deceased was not attended by a doctor during the last illness or the doctor treating the deceased had not seen him or her either after death or within the 14 days before death - the death was violent or unnatural or occurred under suspicious circumstances - the cause of death is not known or is uncertain - the death occurred while the patient was undergoing an operation or did not recover from the anaesthetic - the death was caused by an industrial disease - the death occurred in prison or in police custody. [Department for Work and Pensions - "What to do after a death in England and Wales"] Otherwise, where a burial or cremation is to take place in England and Wales the certificate necessary for disposal is issued by the Registrar when the death is registered, the Coroner then only being involved if the body is to be removed from England and Wales when an ONS Form 104 (http://www.lbwf.gov.uk/removal-notice-form104rev.pdf) is issued once the Coroner has received 4 days notice and given permission for the removal.