"matthew" <matthew.ciuccio@gmail.com> wrote in message news:5d1fc9c9-6a52-482e-98a6-f47c9ee41492@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com... > On Dec 21, 6:39 am, mels...@aragorn.rgmhome.net (Robert Melson) wrote: >> In article >> <8bfcefe2-7d0b-4867-8b5a-6e0b886ea...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, >> matthew <matthew.ciuc...@gmail.com> writes: >> >> >> >> > Hello Everyone fast easy question, I bet, for you folks in the know >> > about these things. >> >> > My Mother's Father is from an Albanian community in Bari, Italy. >> >> > He has told me this community has been there for hundreds of years, >> > and he says he is Albanian. Although he has never been to Albania in >> > his life (nor had any of his family for many generations). >> >> > So does this make him Italian, since the community is in Italy, that >> > is what I think, or Albanian as he claims? >> >> > I kind of think of the question as if a Chinese person is born in >> > Chinatown in New York City, they are, American, although culturally >> > Chinese. >> >> > Any insights into this is would be great, I wonder what the "official" >> > ruling is on this question. >> >> > Thanks in advanced for anyone who could help. >> >> > Sincerely, >> > Matthew >> >> Don't confuse where he was born (Italy) with whom he was >> born to. Unless the Italians deny Italian citizenship to >> the Italian-born children of foreigners living in the country, >> then he's Italian by birth. That's nationality and a matter >> of law. On the other hand, if his progenitors, back to when- >> ever the family came to Italy, consider themselves Albanian and >> he has been brought up steeped in the culture, traditions and >> language of Albania, if he believes himself to BE Albanian, then >> he's Albanian. This has nothing to do with nationality, but with >> culture/ethnicity. >> >> What do you call him? I'd say Albanio-Italian or some such other >> hyphenated description combining the ethnic with the nationality. >> >> Bob >> >> -- >> Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas >> ----- >> Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable >> reason so few engage in it. -- Henry Ford > > Thank you all so much for your reply gives me a lot of food for > thought. One of the reasons I ask this is because I am getting married > this Sunday, and well, my family tree will be merging with my > finances. On this I like is to say I am 75% Italian (My dad's mom and > dad's dad are both from Italy and my mom's dad, the Albanio-Italian in > question is from Italy) and well grandma Murphy gives me 25% Irish. SO > I like saying I am 75%/25% Irish and Italian. My finance get 100% > Italian from her mom and dad's family. Therefore, in short, it seems > out children would be 50% Italian from her side my side they get > 37.5% Italian and 12.5% Irish giving them a grand total of 87.5% > Italian and 12.5% Irish. When you start recording decimal places, you've gone way too far with all this. Bruce

Bruce Remick wrote: > "matthew" <matthew.ciuccio@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:5d1fc9c9-6a52-482e-98a6-f47c9ee41492@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com... > >>On Dec 21, 6:39 am, mels...@aragorn.rgmhome.net (Robert Melson) wrote: >> >>>In article >>><8bfcefe2-7d0b-4867-8b5a-6e0b886ea...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, >>> matthew <matthew.ciuc...@gmail.com> writes: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hello Everyone fast easy question, I bet, for you folks in the know >>>>about these things. >>> >>>>My Mother's Father is from an Albanian community in Bari, Italy. >>> >>>>He has told me this community has been there for hundreds of years, >>>>and he says he is Albanian. Although he has never been to Albania in >>>>his life (nor had any of his family for many generations). >>> >>>>So does this make him Italian, since the community is in Italy, that >>>>is what I think, or Albanian as he claims? >>> >>>>I kind of think of the question as if a Chinese person is born in >>>>Chinatown in New York City, they are, American, although culturally >>>>Chinese. >>> >>>>Any insights into this is would be great, I wonder what the "official" >>>>ruling is on this question. >>> >>>>Thanks in advanced for anyone who could help. >>> >>>>Sincerely, >>>>Matthew >>> >>>Don't confuse where he was born (Italy) with whom he was >>>born to. Unless the Italians deny Italian citizenship to >>>the Italian-born children of foreigners living in the country, >>>then he's Italian by birth. That's nationality and a matter >>>of law. On the other hand, if his progenitors, back to when- >>>ever the family came to Italy, consider themselves Albanian and >>>he has been brought up steeped in the culture, traditions and >>>language of Albania, if he believes himself to BE Albanian, then >>>he's Albanian. This has nothing to do with nationality, but with >>>culture/ethnicity. >>> >>>What do you call him? I'd say Albanio-Italian or some such other >>>hyphenated description combining the ethnic with the nationality. >>> >>>Bob >>> >>>-- >>>Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas >>>----- >>>Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable >>>reason so few engage in it. -- Henry Ford >> >>Thank you all so much for your reply gives me a lot of food for >>thought. One of the reasons I ask this is because I am getting married >>this Sunday, and well, my family tree will be merging with my >>finances. On this I like is to say I am 75% Italian (My dad's mom and >>dad's dad are both from Italy and my mom's dad, the Albanio-Italian in >>question is from Italy) and well grandma Murphy gives me 25% Irish. SO >>I like saying I am 75%/25% Irish and Italian. My finance get 100% >>Italian from her mom and dad's family. Therefore, in short, it seems >>out children would be 50% Italian from her side my side they get >>37.5% Italian and 12.5% Irish giving them a grand total of 87.5% >>Italian and 12.5% Irish. > > > When you start recording decimal places, you've gone way too far with all > this. > > Bruce Mebbe he should add another fifth of Irish? Oh, wait, no, another half-? Cheryl

Bruce Remick wrote: > "matthew" <matthew.ciuccio@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:5d1fc9c9-6a52-482e-98a6-f47c9ee41492@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com... > >>On Dec 21, 6:39 am, mels...@aragorn.rgmhome.net (Robert Melson) wrote: >> >>>In article >>><8bfcefe2-7d0b-4867-8b5a-6e0b886ea...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, >>> matthew <matthew.ciuc...@gmail.com> writes: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hello Everyone fast easy question, I bet, for you folks in the know >>>>about these things. >>> >>>>My Mother's Father is from an Albanian community in Bari, Italy. >>> >>>>He has told me this community has been there for hundreds of years, >>>>and he says he is Albanian. Although he has never been to Albania in >>>>his life (nor had any of his family for many generations). >>> >>>>So does this make him Italian, since the community is in Italy, that >>>>is what I think, or Albanian as he claims? >>> >>>>I kind of think of the question as if a Chinese person is born in >>>>Chinatown in New York City, they are, American, although culturally >>>>Chinese. >>> >>>>Any insights into this is would be great, I wonder what the "official" >>>>ruling is on this question. >>> >>>>Thanks in advanced for anyone who could help. >>> >>>>Sincerely, >>>>Matthew >>> >>>Don't confuse where he was born (Italy) with whom he was >>>born to. Unless the Italians deny Italian citizenship to >>>the Italian-born children of foreigners living in the country, >>>then he's Italian by birth. That's nationality and a matter >>>of law. On the other hand, if his progenitors, back to when- >>>ever the family came to Italy, consider themselves Albanian and >>>he has been brought up steeped in the culture, traditions and >>>language of Albania, if he believes himself to BE Albanian, then >>>he's Albanian. This has nothing to do with nationality, but with >>>culture/ethnicity. >>> >>>What do you call him? I'd say Albanio-Italian or some such other >>>hyphenated description combining the ethnic with the nationality. >>> >>>Bob >>> >>>-- >>>Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas >>>----- >>>Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable >>>reason so few engage in it. -- Henry Ford >> >>Thank you all so much for your reply gives me a lot of food for >>thought. One of the reasons I ask this is because I am getting married >>this Sunday, and well, my family tree will be merging with my >>finances. On this I like is to say I am 75% Italian (My dad's mom and >>dad's dad are both from Italy and my mom's dad, the Albanio-Italian in >>question is from Italy) and well grandma Murphy gives me 25% Irish. SO >>I like saying I am 75%/25% Irish and Italian. My finance get 100% >>Italian from her mom and dad's family. Therefore, in short, it seems >>out children would be 50% Italian from her side my side they get >>37.5% Italian and 12.5% Irish giving them a grand total of 87.5% >>Italian and 12.5% Irish. > > > When you start recording decimal places, you've gone way too far with all > this. fractions like sixteenths and thirtyseconds make more sense Hugh W -- For genealogy and help with family and local history in Bristol and district http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Brycgstow/ http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG