May 2011 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with O - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 5 June 2011 O'Brien 1851 1900 Boston,MA>Charlestown,MA John F, Mary gailss O'Halloran 1830 1920 Ireland>IL>MO billbush O'Moore 1840 1920 Ireland>NY billbush O'Neill 1857 IRL>NY>RI agp18e Oehler 1770 Pa., Augusta Co., Va. Lhay338 Oerth 1891 1894 austria>manhatten,newyork>missouri doerth Ogden 1750 2011 Chesire, wales deidre64 Oliver 1700 present Me. usa bmbsmyth Olowniuk ca 1767 2011 Szurpily, Jeleniewo, Poland Olowniuk/Siejwa tellis Ondrovic 1870 1960 Czechoslovakia>NY haneysc Osborne 1840 1860 ire>oh dclogan Ostrom 1800 2011 Camulet Island steveo63 Otto 1800 now Germany>SD sarah73 Owen 1860 now Carroll Co, IL>IA>NE, USA Herbert & Kittie Gravenor grimmius Owen 1874 Hamilton, New Zealand rprobert See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.
May 2011 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with N - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 5 June 2011 Napiantek 1890 2011 europe raynap Neff 1913 1967 SD>TippecanoeCo>IN Lucille, Ralph, Eva thelmab Nehlig 1813 1930 FRA/GER>PA,USA poss immig thru New Orleans boxer561 Nepple 1886 Present Stuttgart, Germany Josef adopted-not sure if Nepple adopted name or birth name-also listed Moser's as step-brothers? TFierro Nessinger 1890 now GER>Chicago, IL Valentine dunbon Nettleton 1708 1708 Dewsbury,WRY,ENG Anna married Jonathan Wilby pamdick Neville 1600 1850 England Virginia Ida Neville rhonda57 New 1811 Hampshire, Berkshire alephant Newey 1820 now WAR,ENG>NSW,AUS gvan Nicholson 1812 now OH>WI & IA,USA jmpdjp67 Niederl 1900 20011 Austria lolobell Nieuwmans 1894 now Den Haag,NLD>AUS gvan Nolan 1818 1906 Ireland>England>MD,USA tmpike See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 22:58:44 -0400, Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote: >On 06-16-2011 14:45, Bob LeChevalier wrote: >> I've heard that there is another social media site centered on >> genealogy (though I've never looked), and Mundia may merely be > >geni.com And MyHeritage -- Steve Hayes Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/ http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:33:51 +0300, Renia <renia@otenet.gr> wrote: >As with the others, it wanted me to log in. As a subscriber to Ancestry, >I logged in with what I thought was my Ancestry login. But it was the >login for one particular tree which a correspondent had "invited" me to >ages ago. I can't get away from this particular tree or search for any >others. The only other option, is for me to start my own new family >tree, which I will not do. > >Useless. Thanks to you and everyone else who commented. I hope you all click on the "feedback" link on the site, and tell them how you think it can be improved! I've now written a review of the site on my blog at: http://su.pr/2kjHyK -- Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
May 2011 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with M - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 5 June 2011 Macdonough 1800 Now Ireland>CO>NJ>PA>CA,USA pgrowney Mackiewicz ca 1785 2011 Szurpily, Jeleniewo, Poland Pawel, Piotr, Jan, tellis Mackiewicz ca 1860 2011 Jalowo, Jeleniewo, Poland Mackiewicz/Tomaszewska tellis Madden 1850 now Rowan Co NC, USA Nathan & Rebecca Hatley grimmius Magierka 1890 1980 Bucovina, ROM>SVK>ON, CAN Paternal grandmother, Julia, married name TURANSKY julmag Maiden 1850 now Rowan Co NC, USA Nathan & Rebecca Hatley grimmius Mailer 1800 Scotland, NY captkusa Maimone 1820 1988 Roccanova, Portenza, Italy TFierro Makowski ca1763 2011 Czerwone Bagno, Jeleniewo, Poland Rozalia married Stanislaw Szeszko & Piotr Gliniecki tellis Malloy 1844 1915 Ireland>Ohio, USA tmpike Maloy 1810 Ireland tmpike Maneely 1794 1871 antrim co. Ireland guardino Manley 1838 Now MAY, IRL>PA,USA pjmanley Marcyes 1790 now ME>MN>CA smarcyes Mariconda 1800 Now Italy>NY>NJ,USA pgrowney Markoff 1800 2011 Russia>Finland>New York, USA>California, USA amarkoff Martin 1700 NC,USA whealton Martin 1800 now Yorks,Eng stuch Martiny 1832 now Arlan Belg>WI, USA Susanna & Geo Monyette grimmius Matthews 1862 1942 Hillsborough Co, FL, USA Harry W.W. & Fannie Gravenor grimmius Maxwell Scott/En USA settled inlark Co., Ill. 1850's mrstag May 1800 2007 PA ppiper6g Mayol 1700 1910 PR FlexMo Maysonet 1700 1910 PR FlexMo McAdams 1832 now Ireland>MA>PA,USA Poconan McAllister 1850 1950 Co.Down/Co.Mayo Ireland. Co.Durham Eng. stuch McCollum 1812 Now NJ>KY>MO,USA lady10or McCollum 1826 NC>MO,USA kandiq McDaniel 1800 now IL>TX>OK>CA McDaniel/Flowers/Standlee(Stanley) lines janas McDowell 1890 1910 IL>KS Looking for Bert H, parents in Illinois txrednek McGuffin 1879 1944 MO>PHIL Harisson died in the Philippines Drose61 McKay 1930 present from MI to SD Chester mitmit McMorrow 1845 now IL>IA,USA John W & Carrie Gravenor grimmius McMurtry 1665 ARL,SCT>NJ>VA>TN>MO,USA kandiq Mesheau france USA virginia owenmesh Meshew France USA Virginia owenmesh Michaux france USA Virginia owenmesh Middleton 1700 now ENG>MD>VA>TN>CA,USA donna9 Milford 1865 now MO>IA, USA Doretta & Rbt Gravenor Jr grimmius Miller 1847 now UK>IA,USA James & Alice Gravenor grimmius Miller 1855 Now PA strev43 Minton 1700 1960 NC,Vir,Tenn katailnc Misiukiewicz ca 1725 2011 Szurpily, Jeleniewo Anna married Siejwa, Michal tellis Mitchell 1600 1850 England Mtrtle Mae Mitchell rhonda57 Mitchell 1600 1850 England Myrtle Mae Mitchell rhonda57 Monahan 1805 1873 Galway, Ireland>England>Ireland tmpike Monahan 1835 1919 England>MD, USA tmpike Montgomery ----- 1846 TN, IN Dr. James W married Rhoda Ann Harper Dec. 28, 1842 in IN IAjewels Monyette 1862 now Arlan Belg>WI, USA Geo & Susanna Martiny grimmius Moore 1847 1960 Barnwell, S.C, Effingham, Ga, Fla. tony2720 Moriarty 1800 1900 Nova scotia, Canada lrj211 Morris 1841 2011 TN>Denton Co, TX msgofstr Morrisey 1850 1981 Ireland>IL>NJ, USA pgrowney Moseley 1750 1930 TX dgierach Mucigrosso 1800 Now Italy>NY>MT>CA,USA pgrowney Mullen 1864 1950 Bonniconlon, County Mayo, IR>Philadelphia, PA Need birth family HistGen Mullins 1870 now Henry County, VA, USA Katharine dunbon Murdock 1815 Ireland>PA, USA tmpike Murdy 1790 1500 Durham England Thomas, married to Margaret Dowell , where was he born and to whom.h Ooms Murphy 1700 CT,USA whealton Mysiukiewicz ca 1725 2011 Szurpily, Jeleniewo, Poland Mysiukiewicz/ Siejwa tellis See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.
On 06-16-2011 14:45, Bob LeChevalier wrote: > I've heard that there is another social media site centered on > genealogy (though I've never looked), and Mundia may merely be geni.com -- Wes Groleau There are two types of people in the world … http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/barrett?itemid=1157
May 2011 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with L - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 5 June 2011 Lamotte 1942 CT agp18e Lang 1800 Now WV>IA>CO Agnes Lang married to James L. Loyd slbcolo Large 1846 1924 LND,ENG>NSW,AUS gvan Lauer 1889 1960 Stuttgart, Germany TFierro laVigna 1773 1900 Montecalvo Irpino, Italy TFierro Lazo 1700 1910 PR FlexMo Ledford 1850 now n.c>ga. bird0223 Lee 1814 yorkshire alephant Lehr 1850 IN Eva, Pearl, Goldie thelmab Leighty 1800 present ARK>mo>Ark>WA,USA haukyn@gmail.com haukyn Lenahan 1800 Ireland, PA, NY captkusa Lepage 1790 1836 Isle of guernsey guardino Lessard 1700 present N.H., Me, Canada bmbsmyth leVigne 1808 1920 Roccanova, Portenza, Italy TFierro Lewis 1700 1897 Wales. PA. VA. TN. ebonyto Link 1600 now Fremont, Sandusky, OH specifically: John Jacob Link slj Lisotta ----- 1958 Italy,NY,LA trout123 Liter 1700 1868 Ky>IL shacks Loader 1844 1884 ENG>ZAF Mary Ann Elizabeth bjgs Loftus 1860 1985 Bonniconlon, County Mayo, IR>Philadelphia, PA Need birth family HistGen Londrigan 1807 1877 Australia KaySh Loscavo ca 1856 2011 Sellia, Cosanzo, Calabria, Italy> Allegheny County, PA tellis Losch 1787 now Bissen Luxembourg Marie Catherine Losch grimmius Loschiavo ca 1856 2011 Sellia, Cosanzo, Calabria, Italy> Allegheny County, PA tellis Lowe 1900 now Co.Armagh/Co.Down Ireland>Ohio,California USA Henry Lowe, born Co.Armagh about 1890. Emigrated to the US in 1912. stuch Loyd 1800 Now WV>IA>CO James Lawrence Loyd Or James Leander Loyd slbcolo Lozado 1700 1910 PR FlexMo Lozinsky 1888 1965 PA>CO COAL MINER DRIVER PBrower Lucey 1800 Ireland, NY captkusa Lufsey 1775 2011 Prince George Co.>Petersburg, VA tellis See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.
May 2011 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with K - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 5 June 2011 Kaplan 1909 2000 Brooklyn, NY>St. Paul MN Sisters Mary, Rebecca MyraSue Karaszewski ca 1800 2011 Okragle, Jeleniewo, Poland Karaszewski/Zaborowski tellis Keeler 1800 now ? to PA rivahgal Keinath 1905 2006 Winterling>NY Traugott ckeinath Kindig 1895 now Appanoose Co IA>CA,USA Harry & Mary Gravenor grimmius Kingery 1740 2010 PA>Ger>Switz>Fran Lineage from 1561 CKingery Kirkman 1908 1987 Ga>NYC SSL37 Kishdoian 1910 ARM>RI agp18e Kitover 1880 NewYork, USA Bosha Klenk 1859 now Trailhoff, Ger>IA Johann & Louisa Ackerman grimmius Kneen now Liverpool,ENG Thomas Kneen married Mary Brown SonjaB Kobe 1840 2005 austria, slovenia, michigan mfulayte Kohlberg 1700 1821 Germany kayrhode Kohler 1800 now FRA>Toledo, Lucas, OH USA slj Koperski 1880 1964 POL>NY>Pittsburgh PA Andrezs & Maryanna calliefi Koskinen 1907 1973 Finland>New York, USA amarkoff Kramer 1800 now Felshtin,Podolia>NY sarah73 Krenson 1900 2011 prussia sekrenso Kronenberg 1846 LA trout123 Kronschnabel 1856 now Bavaria>WI>USA Agatha & John Schlim grimmius Kropog 1860 2010 hungary, slovakia, new jersey, pennsylvania, ohio, florida, mfulayte Kruse 1700 1885 Prussia kayrhode Kuhn 1700 now ger wfcoons Kulik ca 1759 2011 Okragle, Jeleniewo, Poland Kulik/Zaborowski tellis Kuniken 1935 1977 FL>MD Charlie KuniGrl Kuniken 1961 2001 MD Darryl KuniGrl Kuntz 1700 now ger wfcoons See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:18:48 -0400, Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote: >That is just relocations - in this country, people often go to a >neighboring state (or to Las Vegas or some other resort) to get >married, though they don't actually relocate. Vegas's county has some >120,000 marriages per year, with a population just under 2 million, >about 3 times that of the total population of Nevada 30 years ago. By >the above definition, most people in Nevada are strays, since they >weren't born in Nevada, and most marriages in Vegas are strays. Well there you go -- a strays index for Nevada marriages would probably be useful to lots of genealogists. -- Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote: >>But how far away does "outside" mean? The next parish? The next county? And >>how long is 'normally lived"? I have ag labs in my databases who seemed to >>specialise in having each of their large number of kids in a new parish.... > >The Cambridge strays project seem to regard it as meaning "out of county" >which, here in South Africa, and in Canada, one might regard as "out of >province, and in Oz and the US they might regard as "out of state" and so on >for other places. The US census reported that some 40 million people in the US moved during 2005-2006, 20% to a different county, 14% to a different state, and 3% to a different country (into the US from abroad). Using the state level or higher, that is 7 million "strays" a year. Not a small number. http://progressiverealtync.blogspot.com/2007/10/us-census-bureau-releases-statistics-on.html Obviously the population was lower 100 years ago, but I suspect that the percentage rates were somewhat higher. But since many of those relocations were entire families, simply looking the names of the family members up on the census will find them even in another state. That is why I wouldn't consider people living with their families to necessarily be "strays" of the sort needing a special database (though perhaps if they are newly married and have changed states, that is significant). It is the people NOT living with their families that are hard to find, especially if the name is a common one. That is just relocations - in this country, people often go to a neighboring state (or to Las Vegas or some other resort) to get married, though they don't actually relocate. Vegas's county has some 120,000 marriages per year, with a population just under 2 million, about 3 times that of the total population of Nevada 30 years ago. By the above definition, most people in Nevada are strays, since they weren't born in Nevada, and most marriages in Vegas are strays. lojbab --- Bob LeChevalier - artificial linguist; genealogist lojbab@lojban.org Lojban language www.lojban.org
May 2011 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with IJ - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 5 June 2011 Ivey 1700 1950 ENG & TX dgierach Iwan 1700 now Germany>MN>SD>IL and MO sarah73 Jackson 1725 1748 Bingley,WRY,ENG pamdick Jacobi 1847 now Brilon Ger>IA Joseph & Teresa Wrede grimmius Jacobi 1864 now Brilon Ger>IA, USA Caspar & Catherine Schlim grimmius Jacobs 1845 1952 PA>IL>MO, USA peghiggi Jakubowski ca 1750 2011 Gebalowka>Nowa Wies, Bakalarzewo Jakubowski/Przemielewski tellis Jarman 1800 presnt southeastern USA haukyn haukyn Jenkins 1784 1853 VA>Eastern TN,Blount Co.,AL Aaron - Knox Co., TN deaver Jennings 1761 1761 Bingley,WRY,ENG Hannah married Peter Leach pamdick Jerez 1700 1910 PR FlexMo Jobberns 1760 1943 England>Ireland>India>Scotland>New Zealand katej1 Johnston 1850 1900 Prince Edward Island, Canada lrj211 Jones 1750 NC,USA whealton Jones 1755 1997 Wales>MonmouthCo,NJ>ID>CA jajones See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:01:47 +0200, "Lesley Robertson" <l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote: > >"Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote in message >news:7nndv6leap49502pmenkjqvqh2s1hut5u8@4ax.com... >> >> So what is a Stray? This is a person who is described in a record as being >> from, or connected with, a place outside the area in which they normally >> lived >> or were born. >> > >But how far away does "outside" mean? The next parish? The next county? And >how long is 'normally lived"? I have ag labs in my databases who seemed to >specialise in having each of their large number of kids in a new parish.... The Cambridge strays project seem to regard it as meaning "out of county" which, here in South Africa, and in Canada, one might regard as "out of province, and in Oz and the US they might regard as "out of state" and so on for other places. Of course in places close to the borders it might not apply. If you couldn't find someone in Newcastle (NBL) you ought to think of looking in Gateshead, and in Kansas City (Missouri) and Kansas City (Kansas) and so on. So the exact limits of what is included might vary in borderline (in both senses of the word) cases. Here are some from my files that I would count as strays. These are all taken from one source: death notices in deceased estate (probate) files, but you could find trhe same kind of thing in other sources as well. Ainscough, John Died: 28 Aug 1914 RSA, TVL, Standerton Born: England, Blackrod, Anderton, Arthur Goldthorpe Died: 16 Feb 1926 Newcastle, Natal Born: Port St Johns, Transkei, Cape, Bagot, Walter Lewis Died: 26 May 1927 RSA, TVL, Johannesburg, Parktown Born: England, Barrett, Beatrice Elizabeth Died: 22 Jun 1959 Nongoma, Zululand, Natal Born: Shropshire, England, Beningfield, Annie Theresa Died: 27 Apr 1950 Kokstad, Mount Currie, Cape Born: Greytown, Natal, 13 Oct 1867 Blew, Thomas Harry Died: 28 May 1946 Marshlands, Mooi River, Natal Born: England, Boyce, Constance Lilian Kingwill Died: 23 Apr 1970 Nelspruit Born: Aberdeen, CP, 22 Sep 1880 Brown, Joseph Ellis Died: 16 Apr 1919 Kinnoull, Ridge Road, Durban Born: Atwell, Cambs, England, Burnard, James Fry Leslie Died: 17 Feb 1945 Italy Born: Claremont, Cape, South Africa, Cathcart, Frederick John Died: 28 Feb 1970 Hillcrest, Natal Born: Woolich, England (Woolwich), 24 Jul 1888 Cherrington, Richard Layton Died: 2 Sep 1943 off the shores of Italy Born: Uitenhage, Chester, Mary Alice Died: 22 Oct 1948 37 Howard Avenue, Durban Born: England, 1871 Cobban, Robert McLean Died: 2 Nov 1957 Pietermaritzburg Born: Johannesburg, Cottam, John Bagot Died: 10 Aug 1909 at residence Born: Salford, England, Cottam, William Hutchinson Died: 30 Nov 1946 Maranatha, Talana Road, Calremont, Cape Born: England, Crawley, Leslie Henry Died: 27 May 1966 15 Fourth Avenue, Greyville, Durban Born: Harrismith, Crighton, Martha Died: 4 Sep 1924 Royal Hotel, Durban Born: Capetown, Crighton, William Donald Died: 8 Dec 1966 Provincial Hospital, Port Shepstone Born: Cape Town, Davis, Oliver Died: 26 Dec 1927 Pook's Hill, Helpmekaar Dist Born: Abingdon, Berks, England, De Beer, Johannes Johan Martin Enslin de Beer Died: 14 Mar 1974 Ceres W/s 1001 Jacob Mare Straat 229 Born: Standerton, 20 May 1905 Decker, Jessie Died: 26 Sep 1937 RSA, TVL, Standerton Born: RSA, Eastern Cape, East London, Deeks, Herbert Hall Died: 16 Jul 1949 Mountain View Guest Farm, PO Hennops River Born: Norwich, England, Devantier, Ivan Melvin Died: 6 Apr 1968 Apple Orchard Dist, Vereeniging Born: King William's Town, 11 Jul 1927 Devantier, Mary Caroline Theresa Died: 10 Jul 1956 37 Johannes Street, Troyeville, Johannesburg Born: Queenstown, Devantier, Philip Cecil Died: 4 Nov 1964 187 Kitchener Ave, Kensington, Jhb Born: King William's Town, South Africa, Ellis, Arthur Joseph Died: 21 Oct 1938 Durban Born: Tasmania, 1866 Falconer, Robert Fraser Died: 13 Mar 1964 Far East Rand Hospital, Springs Born: Nairn, Scotland, Falconer, Winnie Amelia Died: 20 Jun 1973 Kempton Park Born: Queenstown, 19 Nov 1888 Falkenberg, Albert Eric Died: 27 Apr 1938 RSA, TVL, Brakpan Born: Cape Province, Falkenberg, Friedrich Heinrich Died: 23 Apr 1901 Farm Glenred, Dist Vryburg Born: in Germany, Fissler, Elizabeth Anne Died: 19 Nov 1936 Pretoria Born: Germany, Foster, Thomas Died: 11 Aug 1903 Stainton, Ixopo, Natal Born: England, Francis, Gladys Lilian Died: 11 Mar 1968 Durban Born: Johannesburg, 29 Jul 1894 Fraser, James Herbert Died: 24 Jan 1930 Zeekoewater, Witbank Born: Grahamstown, Green, Isabella Died: 1 Sep 1853 9 Church Square, Graaff Reinet Born: Cockermouth, Cumberland, England, Green, Mary Elizabeth Died: 18 APR 1952 RSA, TVL, Johannesburg, Florence N. Born: Nr, Omaruru, SWA, Nov 1865 Greenaway, Edward William Isaac Died: 28 Feb 1972 RSA, TVL, Johannesburg, Kensington Born: RSA, Natal, Newcastle, 7 Jan 1920 Greenaway, Jane Died: 13 Feb 1913 Pietermaritzburg, Natal Born: Kilkampton, Cornwall, England, Greenaway, Richard Henry William Died: 12 Feb 1904 Verulam, Alexandra county, Natal Born: Cathcart, East London (sic), Growden, Joseph Died: 20 Sep 1920 RSA, TVL, Johannesburg, Kensington Born: ENG, Cornwall, Growdon, Florence Died: 8 Jan 1926 9 Symond Street, Kroonstad Born: Cathcart, Growdon, George Frederick Died: 20-10-1954 Durban Born: East London, Harris, Richard Vause Died: 21 Jun 1969 Johannesburg Born: Durban, 16 Aug 1930 Hart-Davis, Geoffrey Charles Died: 9 Dec 1941 on active service betwee Sollum & Bandia Born: Natal, Haupt, Elizabeth Jacoba Died: 15 Jan 1969 Vanderbijlpark Born: Paarl, 2 Jul 1884 Herbert, Adelaide Died: 10 Aug 1909 268 Florida Road, Durban Born: Salford, Manchester, England, Hickman, Annie Louisa Devereux Died: 13 Jun 1951 Arcadia Nursing Home, Pretoira Born: Durban, Hickman, Helena Alberhta de Villiers Died: 30 May 1957 Greytown Hospital, Greytown Born: Rivier Zonder End, Cape, South Africa, 14 Jul 1900 Hickman, Mona Preston Died: 24 Jun 1960 Lady Dudley Nursing Home, Johannesburg Born: Queenstown, Hill, Elaine Died: 2 Mar 1953 National Road, Newcastle Born: Worcester, Cape, 28 Dec 1921 Holland, Winifred Died: 2 Aug 1936 General Hospital, Johannesburg Born: Adelaide, Cape, Hurst, Edwin Henry Died: 13 Mar 1961 Kero Court, Johannesburg Born: England, Isted, Agnes Maude Died: 9 Oct 1968 Durban Born: Unknown, 4 Aug 1852 King, Anne Lindsay Died: 23 NOV 1958 RSA, TVL, Pretoria, 282 Preller St Born: ENG, CUL, Windermere, 1889 Koch, Constance Lilian Kingwill Died: 23 Apr 1970 Nelspruit Hospital Born: Willowmore, Cape, 22 Sep 1880 Koch, Minnie Died: 2 Feb 1945 Nelspoort Hospital, Beaufort West Distric Born: Rietbron, Willowmore, Koch, Minnie Florence Died: 1 Feb 1937 Far East Rand Hospital, Springs Born: Uitenhage, Capew, Abt Nov 1891 Large, William George Died: 11 Jul 1916 France Born: Manderston Kent, England, > >I think that strays indexes are wonderful things, and I'm building indexes >of Whitsome & Hilton (BEW) strays myself. Because these indexes are for a >limited area (one parish) and my own use, I can afford to be fairly loose >with my definition of "stray" but it all got out of hand until I limited the >definition to people who moved away from their birth/baptism parish(which >means that every child in some families is regarded as a stray from a >different parish to its siblings That too, though I wouldn't count adjacent or nearby parishes as strays for most purposes. The main point is that if someone died far away from the place where they were born or lived, a strays index can alert you about the possibility of finding records in different places. It works both ways, too. Someone in South Africa looking for Adelaide Herbert: Herbert, Adelaide Died: 10 Aug 1909 268 Florida Road, Durban Born: Salford, Manchester, England, knowing that she was born in Salford, could then look further in English censuses. Someone in the UK, wondering why her death record isn't (for example) in FreeBMD, would know to look in records of deaths in Durban. > >You are never going to satisfy everyone, but it's still worth doing. I think >that you should decide on a definition that suits you (out of parish, out of >county, or whatever), state it clearly on page 1, together with any other >ground rules you need to make the thing manageable, and stick to them. > >Lesley Robertson > -- Steve Hayes Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/ http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 05:12:48 +0200, Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote: >On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:01:47 +0200, "Lesley Robertson" ><l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote: > >> >>"Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote in message >>news:7nndv6leap49502pmenkjqvqh2s1hut5u8@4ax.com... >>> >>> So what is a Stray? This is a person who is described in a record as being >>> from, or connected with, a place outside the area in which they normally >>> lived >>> or were born. >>> >> >>But how far away does "outside" mean? The next parish? The next county? And >>how long is 'normally lived"? I have ag labs in my databases who seemed to >>specialise in having each of their large number of kids in a new parish.... > >The Cambridge strays project seem to regard it as meaning "out of county" >which, here in South Africa, and in Canada, one might regard as "out of >province, and in Oz and the US they might regard as "out of state" and so on >for other places. > Not necessarily an equivalent comparison as "out of county" is usually still within the same jurisdiction unlike "out of province/state". Those are more comparable to "out of country" within the UK (England/Scotland/[Northern] Ireland). One inference in "Cambridge strays" is "not in Cambridge" although if it deals with the county then it should "Cambridgeshire strays" or to avoid doubt "strays from/in Cambridgeshire" as strays indexes can IME deal with either case. In practice the manner of being "stray" ought to be easily identifiable in a short descriptive title as in the last example above unlike in the shorter "Cambridge strays". >Of course in places close to the borders it might not apply. If you couldn't >find someone in Newcastle (NBL) you ought to think of looking in Gateshead, >and in Kansas City (Missouri) and Kansas City (Kansas) and so on. So the exact >limits of what is included might vary in borderline (in both senses of the >word) cases. > >Here are some from my files that I would count as strays. These are all taken >from one source: death notices in deceased estate (probate) files, but you >could find trhe same kind of thing in other sources as well. > > >Ainscough, John Died: 28 Aug 1914 > RSA, TVL, Standerton > Born: England, Blackrod, >Anderton, Arthur Goldthorpe Died: 16 Feb 1926 > Newcastle, Natal > Born: Port St Johns, Transkei, Cape, >Bagot, Walter Lewis Died: 26 May 1927 > RSA, TVL, Johannesburg, Parktown > Born: England, >Barrett, Beatrice Elizabeth Died: 22 Jun 1959 > Nongoma, Zululand, Natal > Born: Shropshire, England, >Beningfield, Annie Theresa Died: 27 Apr 1950 > Kokstad, Mount Currie, Cape > Born: Greytown, Natal, 13 Oct 1867 >Blew, Thomas Harry Died: 28 May 1946 > Marshlands, Mooi River, Natal > Born: England, >Boyce, Constance Lilian Kingwill Died: 23 Apr 1970 > Nelspruit > Born: Aberdeen, CP, 22 Sep 1880 >Brown, Joseph Ellis Died: 16 Apr 1919 > Kinnoull, Ridge Road, Durban > Born: Atwell, Cambs, England, >Burnard, James Fry Leslie Died: 17 Feb 1945 > Italy > Born: Claremont, Cape, South Africa, >Cathcart, Frederick John Died: 28 Feb 1970 > Hillcrest, Natal > Born: Woolich, England (Woolwich), 24 Jul 1888 >Cherrington, Richard Layton Died: 2 Sep 1943 > off the shores of Italy > Born: Uitenhage, >Chester, Mary Alice Died: 22 Oct 1948 > 37 Howard Avenue, Durban > Born: England, 1871 >Cobban, Robert McLean Died: 2 Nov 1957 > Pietermaritzburg > Born: Johannesburg, >Cottam, John Bagot Died: 10 Aug 1909 > at residence > Born: Salford, England, >Cottam, William Hutchinson Died: 30 Nov 1946 > Maranatha, Talana Road, Calremont, Cape > Born: England, >Crawley, Leslie Henry Died: 27 May 1966 > 15 Fourth Avenue, Greyville, Durban > Born: Harrismith, >Crighton, Martha Died: 4 Sep 1924 > Royal Hotel, Durban > Born: Capetown, >Crighton, William Donald Died: 8 Dec 1966 > Provincial Hospital, Port Shepstone > Born: Cape Town, >Davis, Oliver Died: 26 Dec 1927 > Pook's Hill, Helpmekaar Dist > Born: Abingdon, Berks, England, >De Beer, Johannes Johan Martin Enslin de Beer Died: 14 Mar 1974 > Ceres W/s 1001 Jacob Mare Straat 229 > Born: Standerton, 20 May 1905 >Decker, Jessie Died: 26 Sep 1937 > RSA, TVL, Standerton > Born: RSA, Eastern Cape, East London, >Deeks, Herbert Hall Died: 16 Jul 1949 > Mountain View Guest Farm, PO Hennops River > Born: Norwich, England, >Devantier, Ivan Melvin Died: 6 Apr 1968 > Apple Orchard Dist, Vereeniging > Born: King William's Town, 11 Jul 1927 >Devantier, Mary Caroline Theresa Died: 10 Jul 1956 > 37 Johannes Street, Troyeville, Johannesburg > Born: Queenstown, >Devantier, Philip Cecil Died: 4 Nov 1964 > 187 Kitchener Ave, Kensington, Jhb > Born: King William's Town, South Africa, >Ellis, Arthur Joseph Died: 21 Oct 1938 > Durban > Born: Tasmania, 1866 >Falconer, Robert Fraser Died: 13 Mar 1964 > Far East Rand Hospital, Springs > Born: Nairn, Scotland, >Falconer, Winnie Amelia Died: 20 Jun 1973 > Kempton Park > Born: Queenstown, 19 Nov 1888 >Falkenberg, Albert Eric Died: 27 Apr 1938 > RSA, TVL, Brakpan > Born: Cape Province, >Falkenberg, Friedrich Heinrich Died: 23 Apr 1901 > Farm Glenred, Dist Vryburg > Born: in Germany, >Fissler, Elizabeth Anne Died: 19 Nov 1936 > Pretoria > Born: Germany, >Foster, Thomas Died: 11 Aug 1903 > Stainton, Ixopo, Natal > Born: England, >Francis, Gladys Lilian Died: 11 Mar 1968 > Durban > Born: Johannesburg, 29 Jul 1894 >Fraser, James Herbert Died: 24 Jan 1930 > Zeekoewater, Witbank > Born: Grahamstown, >Green, Isabella Died: 1 Sep 1853 > 9 Church Square, Graaff Reinet > Born: Cockermouth, Cumberland, England, >Green, Mary Elizabeth Died: 18 APR 1952 > RSA, TVL, Johannesburg, Florence N. > Born: Nr, Omaruru, SWA, Nov 1865 >Greenaway, Edward William Isaac Died: 28 Feb 1972 > RSA, TVL, Johannesburg, Kensington > Born: RSA, Natal, Newcastle, 7 Jan 1920 >Greenaway, Jane Died: 13 Feb 1913 > Pietermaritzburg, Natal > Born: Kilkampton, Cornwall, England, >Greenaway, Richard Henry William Died: 12 Feb 1904 > Verulam, Alexandra county, Natal > Born: Cathcart, East London (sic), >Growden, Joseph Died: 20 Sep 1920 > RSA, TVL, Johannesburg, Kensington > Born: ENG, Cornwall, >Growdon, Florence Died: 8 Jan 1926 > 9 Symond Street, Kroonstad > Born: Cathcart, >Growdon, George Frederick Died: 20-10-1954 > Durban > Born: East London, >Harris, Richard Vause Died: 21 Jun 1969 > Johannesburg > Born: Durban, 16 Aug 1930 >Hart-Davis, Geoffrey Charles Died: 9 Dec 1941 > on active service betwee Sollum & Bandia > Born: Natal, >Haupt, Elizabeth Jacoba Died: 15 Jan 1969 > Vanderbijlpark > Born: Paarl, 2 Jul 1884 >Herbert, Adelaide Died: 10 Aug 1909 > 268 Florida Road, Durban > Born: Salford, Manchester, England, >Hickman, Annie Louisa Devereux Died: 13 Jun 1951 > Arcadia Nursing Home, Pretoira > Born: Durban, >Hickman, Helena Alberhta de Villiers Died: 30 May 1957 > Greytown Hospital, Greytown > Born: Rivier Zonder End, Cape, South Africa, 14 Jul 1900 >Hickman, Mona Preston Died: 24 Jun 1960 > Lady Dudley Nursing Home, Johannesburg > Born: Queenstown, >Hill, Elaine Died: 2 Mar 1953 > National Road, Newcastle > Born: Worcester, Cape, 28 Dec 1921 >Holland, Winifred Died: 2 Aug 1936 > General Hospital, Johannesburg > Born: Adelaide, Cape, >Hurst, Edwin Henry Died: 13 Mar 1961 > Kero Court, Johannesburg > Born: England, >Isted, Agnes Maude Died: 9 Oct 1968 > Durban > Born: Unknown, 4 Aug 1852 >King, Anne Lindsay Died: 23 NOV 1958 > RSA, TVL, Pretoria, 282 Preller St > Born: ENG, CUL, Windermere, 1889 >Koch, Constance Lilian Kingwill Died: 23 Apr 1970 > Nelspruit Hospital > Born: Willowmore, Cape, 22 Sep 1880 >Koch, Minnie Died: 2 Feb 1945 > Nelspoort Hospital, Beaufort West Distric > Born: Rietbron, Willowmore, >Koch, Minnie Florence Died: 1 Feb 1937 > Far East Rand Hospital, Springs > Born: Uitenhage, Capew, Abt Nov 1891 >Large, William George Died: 11 Jul 1916 > France > Born: Manderston Kent, England, > >> >>I think that strays indexes are wonderful things, and I'm building indexes >>of Whitsome & Hilton (BEW) strays myself. Because these indexes are for a >>limited area (one parish) and my own use, I can afford to be fairly loose >>with my definition of "stray" but it all got out of hand until I limited the >>definition to people who moved away from their birth/baptism parish(which >>means that every child in some families is regarded as a stray from a >>different parish to its siblings > >That too, though I wouldn't count adjacent or nearby parishes as strays for >most purposes. > >The main point is that if someone died far away from the place where they were >born or lived, a strays index can alert you about the possibility of finding >records in different places. > >It works both ways, too. > >Someone in South Africa looking for Adelaide Herbert: > >Herbert, Adelaide Died: 10 Aug 1909 > 268 Florida Road, Durban > Born: Salford, Manchester, England, > >knowing that she was born in Salford, could then look further in English >censuses. > >Someone in the UK, wondering why her death record isn't (for example) in >FreeBMD, would know to look in records of deaths in Durban. > > > > > > >> >>You are never going to satisfy everyone, but it's still worth doing. I think >>that you should decide on a definition that suits you (out of parish, out of >>county, or whatever), state it clearly on page 1, together with any other >>ground rules you need to make the thing manageable, and stick to them. >> >>Lesley Robertson >>
"Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote in message news:7nndv6leap49502pmenkjqvqh2s1hut5u8@4ax.com... > > So what is a Stray? This is a person who is described in a record as being > from, or connected with, a place outside the area in which they normally > lived > or were born. > But how far away does "outside" mean? The next parish? The next county? And how long is 'normally lived"? I have ag labs in my databases who seemed to specialise in having each of their large number of kids in a new parish.... I think that strays indexes are wonderful things, and I'm building indexes of Whitsome & Hilton (BEW) strays myself. Because these indexes are for a limited area (one parish) and my own use, I can afford to be fairly loose with my definition of "stray" but it all got out of hand until I limited the definition to people who moved away from their birth/baptism parish(which means that every child in some families is regarded as a stray from a different parish to its siblings You are never going to satisfy everyone, but it's still worth doing. I think that you should decide on a definition that suits you (out of parish, out of county, or whatever), state it clearly on page 1, together with any other ground rules you need to make the thing manageable, and stick to them. Lesley Robertson
May 2011 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with H - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 5 June 2011 Hagenston 1880 now Norway>WI,USA jmpdjp67 Halbert 1882 2011 Holliday, KS,USA>Shawnee, KS,USA pchamney Hammons 1700 present PA., Md., Va., Wilkes Co. Ga., Al. Lhay338 Hannigan 1800 now Virginia jj711 Harfert 1873 1920 Germany or Russia>US>WI>MI>CO Looking for brother of Friedrich Harfert born in 1873, migrated to US in 1893, or siblings of, born in Russia txrednek Hargreaves 1702 1809 Bradford>Bingley,WRY,ENG pamdick Harmon 1891 now IA>KS>OK>FL,USA Lloyd V & Icel Gravenor grimmius Harris 1880 Now GA>IN,US flow7432 Harvey 1790 2011 PA>MO>KS Looking for the descendents of James and Nancy Harvey from MO. Children included Taylor, Moses, Lydia, Charles, Julia (and more). Am intested in photos, mainly of Taylor Harvey. KawAcres Harvey 1807 1904 ABD,SCOT>MA>RI agp18e Harvey 1908 OWOSSO MICHIGAN mikal52 Hatley 1750 now Rowan Co NC, USA Richard & Sarah grimmius Hawkinberry 1817 1900 VA, WVA JWtheduke1979 JFKpt109 Hawkins 1840 present NY-VA>ARK>CO>ID>WA haukyn@gmail.com haukyn Hazell 1752 Cold Ash, Thatcham alephant Heaney 1885 now Waterford, IRL>Chicago, IL USA dunbon Heaton 1686 1741 Bingley,WRY,ENG pamdick Hempel 1832 2011 Ysenberg,GER>RUS>NE stuck in GER/RUS MHempel Hepler ca 1775 Prince George County, VA Hepler/Lufsey tellis Hidy 1813 1900 Germany, OH themnme Hill 1835 Present Rutherfordton, NC jostopof Hill 1838 1880 LeedsCo,ONT>MN Died in MN 3-29-1880 rileydog Hill 1861 1913 LeedsCo,ONT>WI rileydog Hiney 1850 1968 unknown>NJ,USA pgrowney Hockenberry 1750 Present Ger, NJ, PA, VA, WVA, OH JWtheduke1979 JFKpt109 Hockenbury 1750 Present Ger,NJ, PA, VA, WVA, OH JWtheduke1979 JFKpt109 Hockinberry 1854 1920 VA, WVA JWtheduke1979 JFKpt109 Hockinbury 1858 Present VA, WVA, OH JWtheduke1979 JFKpt109 Hoes Germany Tx,usa I dont know what the year is that the moved Lived in Rowena,Tx, where they farmed in the 1920's through the 1960's relocated to San Angelo, Tx 76901. ZEIKIE Hogan 1800 1859 Co Cork KaySh Hogle 1800 Ireland, NY captkusa Holloway 1686 SOM,ENG >NJ>VA>OH>MO<USA kandiq Hopfensperger 1879 now Zeholfing, Ger>WI>USA Helena and Henry N Schlim grimmius Hornyak 1860 1995 hungary, slovakia, michigan, illinois mfulayte Horvath 1930 Austria My Nan was Maria dob 29.12.1930 and married my Grandad Erno Sarkozi d.o.d 5/02/1925, they lived in Szentgotthard in Hungary and moved to England in 1956 - trying to trace there parents etc. tonydan Howard 1820 1988 Illinois>Gaston Co, NC>Mecklenburg Co, NC>California Stuck @ gg grand, B Illinois, moved to NC, Confederate Soldier. Father b in NC necaton Hubbs 1656 1890 ENG, LI, NY;NEW YORK CITY AND BROOKLYN Gloucester, Eng. granire Hull 1750 1900 >NY steve38 Hunter 1860 1934 Glasgow, Sct Lorenza jamacca Huquenele 1810 1900 France>Phila,PA haneysc Hyres 1770 1830 TIPPERARY, IRELAND Ballinure and Burnchurch, Ireland granire See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 14:20:25 -0400, Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote: >In passing, I think a clearer definition of what identifies someone as >a "stray" is needed. > >I don't know how to express it in terms of your database, but one area >of "strays" I have been trying to deal with are people living in a >household on a census who are not obviously members of the family of >the head of household. These include roomers and boarders, and prior >to 1880 may include family members with different surnames whose >relationship isn't apparent (like inlaws and nieces/nephews). In >rural areas there are people working as laborers who may be local, or >may be from some other county or state. Farther back, there are >teachers and merchants who show up in households where they lived for >only a short while but then moved on. I suppose the question to ask is whether the database would have enough information in it to enable someone searching the database for a person to find them if they are there. for example, if a person was born and married in one place, but you cannot find a record of their death there. As for definitions, here are some used by some family history societies: Stray Definitions In their purest form "Strays" are persons who were born within the County with a reference recorded outside of the County of birth. The 13,000+ strays recorded for Cambridgeshire do not necessary fall into this pure format. There are various categories. Stray Born in the County of Cambridgeshire with an event recorded outside of the County Out of County Marriage A person resident within Cambridgeshire but married outside of the County Transient A person moving from/to Cambridgeshire e.g Settlement Examination or Removal Order Settlement Papers. The parishes were required to look after their own poor. This could become a burden. So when someone wanted to move into a parish and they appeared to be unable to support themselves - i.e. a single woman expecting a child - the parish tried to determine if that person could claim welfare from the parish. If not they were sent back to their own parish. There are at several forms for settlement papers. Examination papers, settlement certificates and removal papers. Settlement Certificates record the movement from a place, county to another place, county. Settlement Examination Papers detail the place a person was living, county and the place they would like to settle at. Removal Orders detail a place, county where a person had settled and the place, county to which they were being lawfully removed to. Academic A person who by residence is associated with Cambridge University but not the County Military A person serving with the Cambridgeshire Miltia or the Armed Forces relating to Cambridgeshire but not necessarily a resident of Cambridgeshire Manorial Records and Wills Persons mentioned as witnesses, beneficiaries, bondsmen, etc. within Manorial Records, Wills, Inventories, etc. These persons may be resident within the County or external to it. Other Ad hoc references to persons living or born in Cambridgeshire who are mentioned in various articles or documents http://www.cfhs.org.uk/Strays/ That site does give the kind of information they collect for strays, but it doesn't fit in the ten field allowed for the YahooGroups databases, so I'm asking what people think is the most important information. Here's another definition from the English Fenderation of Family History Societies: So what is a Stray? This is a person who is described in a record as being from, or connected with, a place outside the area in which they normally lived or were born. Here are a few examples: A family may have emigrated and their burial recorded overseas on a headstone which states where they came from in the UK: there may be a newspaper obituary giving details of other members of their family left back home: a girl who went into service then married many miles away from her parish: a soldier serving in the West Indies or in India, or one killed in action: a family awaiting removal from one parish back to their original birth place: the baptism of a child belonging to a Militia man stationed far from home: seamens tickets: convictions and transportations: and many, many more interesting records covering all dates to the present century. Just imagine how it will feel to finally find that Great Uncle Charlie was buried in South Africa during the Boer War when the last record you could find was the 1881 census record! How long were you looking for him? How many blind alleys did you go up? This project could help solve such problems of disappearing ancestors for so many family historians, worldwide. http://www.ffhs.org.uk/projects/strays.php <some examples snipped> >I don't want to send this without noting another kind of stray: wives. >Without a marriage record, virtually every married woman is a stray of >a kind with no obvious link to ancestors unless the family has inlaws >present in the household. And yet surely one would not want a strays >database to include all married women whose maiden name and parents >are unknown without something distinguishing them from other sorts of >strays. I had one yesterday. A family where the father was born and died in Cumberland, UK, and most of the children were born there, moved around a lot, and some of the children married and settled down elsewhere. The 1841 census shows the wife as not born in the same country (yet most "public" online trees show her as being born there, yet someone has found a record showing that their marriage took place in the neighbouring country of Lancashire. The record of her death would show her as a stray from Lancashire. The record of her marriage would show her husband as a stray. And so on. -- Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote: >On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 12:58:54 +0200, Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote: > >>I am thinking of creating a database for people to record strays on these >>sites, and thought I would ask for advice on what to include in such a >>database, especially from those who may have had some experience of strays >>indexes. > >Thanks to those who have responded, though none actually answered the question >-- about which fields would be most useful for collecting information on >strays, and whether there is any agreed standard format for strays databases. > >I've written more about it here: > >http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com/2011/06/strays-databases-and-indexes.html > >and would be grateful if anyone could pass it on to strays coordinators they >know. > >The aim of the exercise is not to engage in headscratching about whether >people were or were not "strays", but rather to collect information about >obvious strays and, if possible, pass them on to the strays coordinator of the >family history society concerned. In passing, I think a clearer definition of what identifies someone as a "stray" is needed. I don't know how to express it in terms of your database, but one area of "strays" I have been trying to deal with are people living in a household on a census who are not obviously members of the family of the head of household. These include roomers and boarders, and prior to 1880 may include family members with different surnames whose relationship isn't apparent (like inlaws and nieces/nephews). In rural areas there are people working as laborers who may be local, or may be from some other county or state. Farther back, there are teachers and merchants who show up in households where they lived for only a short while but then moved on. Less often, there are people living alone who have surnames not otherwise found in the district being enumerated. Sometimes these are just elderly people whose spouse died or whose kids have moved away, and other times they are people who are in the census district this year but who won't be found on the preceding or succeeding census. I've been working on one enumeration district of a rural Georgia county in 1860 as part of a place study. Some 540 people in the district, and I've connected most of them to other people in the district. I have one or two families not connected to any other in the district that lived elsewhere in both 1850 and 1870, and maybe a dozen of the 540 are individual people who are of the type described above that I can find no clear trace of in other censuses. (I am being very thorough in seeking connections, and suspect that others looking at the district, might label as many as 10-15% of the population as "strays", instead of the 3% that I have.) Urban areas, especially big cities that are immigration magnets, may have districts where a high percentage of the inhabitants are "strays" of this sort. My father was born in a mining town in northern Michigan where a high percentage were recent immigrants from a variety of countries, and many were living in group boarding houses. Maybe half of them settled in the area, but others returned to the home country or migrated to other locales. The enumerators were horrible at spelling all the foreign names, so tracing families in that county is often difficult even if people remained. The reason I and my friend are doing this study is primarily to find one such "stray". His grandfather was born in 1869 to a man and his wife who were married in this county in 1868; the woman's family is known and numerous in the county. In the 1870 census, the boy and his mother are living 300 miles away in Alabama; in 1880, she is in the same locale and married, but the boy cannot be found, and indeed doesn't resurface until he married my friend's grandmother in 1909 several states away (Missouri). So the grandfather himself is presumably a stray in 1880 and 1900 (his stepfamily is nearby in 1910, though his surname is misspelled and he and his wife are boarding, so any non-diligent search would have called him a stray in 1910 as well). But his father, the "stray" we are seeking, we have only a name for from the marriage license and the family name (Burgess), and Y-DNA shows that my friend is not related to any other known Burgess (and not closely related to anyone else at all, though a couple of single-base-pair differences pertain to families found in South Carolina.). The father has been found on no census, and is probably unrelated to any Burgess in the area. But perhaps somewhere in the county, we will find a clue. >From the above examples of strays - the grandfather. his father, and those in the mining town who did not remain there, each would probably have different data available that might be useful in identifying them. I don't want to send this without noting another kind of stray: wives. Without a marriage record, virtually every married woman is a stray of a kind with no obvious link to ancestors unless the family has inlaws present in the household. And yet surely one would not want a strays database to include all married women whose maiden name and parents are unknown without something distinguishing them from other sorts of strays. lojbab --- Bob LeChevalier - artificial linguist; genealogist lojbab@lojban.org Lojban language www.lojban.org
On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 12:58:54 +0200, Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote: >I am thinking of creating a database for people to record strays on these >sites, and thought I would ask for advice on what to include in such a >database, especially from those who may have had some experience of strays >indexes. Thanks to those who have responded, though none actually answered the question -- about which fields would be most useful for collecting information on strays, and whether there is any agreed standard format for strays databases. I've written more about it here: http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com/2011/06/strays-databases-and-indexes.html and would be grateful if anyone could pass it on to strays coordinators they know. The aim of the exercise is not to engage in headscratching about whether people were or were not "strays", but rather to collect information about obvious strays and, if possible, pass them on to the strays coordinator of the family history society concerned. -- Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 14:49:17 -0700 (PDT), JacobSmith <tinster2@yahoo.com> wrote: >Genealogy & History Research Home Business Plan What's that supposed to mean? -- Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
May 2011 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with G - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 5 June 2011 Gaddis 1715 1898 WV>PA>IN vanyoh Gagan 1900 Now MA to PA Looking for ggrandfather who left his family between 1900 and 1910 and supposedly went to live w/Amish. mam585wh Gagan 1900 Now MA,PA Looking for ggrandfather who left family in MA between 1900 and 1910 and supposedly went to live w/Amish in PA. mam585wh Gagnon 1866 now QC,CAN>RI agp18e Galazin ca 1790 2011 Kazimierowka, Jeleniewo, Poland Family from Przejma Mala came to US tellis Galazyn ca 1790 2011 Kazimierowka, Jeleniewo, Poland Family from Przejma Mala came to US tellis Gallagher 1840 1930 IrontonCo,MO>StFrancoisCo,MO,USA eirwin Gallo 1891 Now Sicily to Phila., PA doylegal Garbaick 1800 Present Poland, Pennsylvania angelwor Garcia 1700 1910 PR FlexMo Gardner-McLean 1881 1961 Glasgow, SCT jamacca Gardner-McLean 1897 1918 Londonderry, IRL Fahan jamacca Gardner-McLean 1920 1929 Berbice, GUY jamacca Garpoozian 1925 ARM>RUS>RI agp18e Gates 1842 2011 Namozine Dist., Dinwiddie Co., VA Gates/Andrews tellis Gavin 1895 NY>RI agp18e Gerrior 1800 2011 canada cav2baro Giebel 1900 1985 Den Haag,NLD gvan Gill 1800 2011 Chesterfield Co., VA>Petersburg, VA Gill/Lufsey tellis Gillam ----- 1950 UK,AUS,NZ TriciaG Gleason 1855 now Dublin, Ireland>TX>OK,USA rjctls Gledhill 1647 1708 Bradford,WRY,ENG pamdick Goddard 1800 now SC,GA, St Clair Co,AL William J. b. 1824 son of Henry deaver Golden 1890 now IRL>IN,USA James F & Anna Davis grimmius Gonyea 1854 1928 IRL>NY>RI agp18e Goodman 1789 PA>MO,USA kandiq Goodwin 1825 1945 hobart TAS melbourne Vic William Lusington aussie10 Gooley WAT,IRL IL,USA 1868 In Chicago census 1870 janemsu Graham 1800 1850 NY steve38 Gravenor 1823 now Messingham UK>IA>MO, USA Robert Raven Sr & Ann Wakefield grimmius Grebner 1831 1983 Greiz Prussia 1850 Lithographer janetg60 Grice 1793 1962 Lincoln Co, NC>Mecklenburg Co, NC stuck @ gg grandfather John Littleberry Grice, two potential fathers necaton Grobschmit 1780 now Bissen Lux>WI, USA J B Grobschmit grimmius Grobschmit 1822 now Bissen Lux>WI, USA Catherine & Henry Schlim grimmius Groves 1800 present OK.,MO>TX>WA.USA haukyn@gmail.com haukyn Growney 1800 Now Ireland>NJ>CA,USA pgrowney Grushky ----- May 1957 MI,USA my grandfather's family nancar Gumianny 1877 now POL>PA>PITTSBURGH GUMM or GUMIANNA calliefi Guyett 1849 now QC,CAN>NY>RI>NH>RI agp18e See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.