On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 13:27:49 +0100, Ruth Wilson <ruth.wilson@virgin.net> wrote: >snipped >> >> MARRIED 17 Nov 1839, to ANDERSON, Bridget, Born 19 Nov 1819 in >> Whitehaven, CUL, ENG, Died 19 Aug 1876 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG >> at age 56; FATHER: ANDERSON, John >> ANCESTRY: Gives only the years, but says they were married in >> Cumberland, Illinois United States instead of Whitehaven, >> Cumberland, England -- otherwise correct. >> >> >> The person who compiled the tree probably made the mistake of linking the >> wrong husband and father. >> >> But would he have mangled the place names like that? >> >> I suspect that that is something that the Ancestry.com software has done all >> on its own, and that if you entrust Ancestry.com with your genealogy data, >> something similar is likely to happen to it. > >I've seen a few similar cases - I don't know, but I've always suspected >that the person adding the information has just clicked the first >default place name without considering common sense. > As seen where the same person appears across several trees, it seems to be greatly encouraged by a failure to terminate the place description with the country name. It also looks as if the "auto-complete" works differently in .com and .co.uk resulting in favouring the home country for the particular version of Ancestry if only a town name is entered. In the cases where I seem to have been the first to add a person's record to Ancestry, the placenames generally get through the system unmolested until someone either allows what is shown in a census record to replace the original description (generally killing off the country) or makes their own "correction". >Someone has added my Carlisle born and bred gt gt grandmother to a >London based family; I've seen others where I assume the user has added >eg census returns that "might" be the ancestor, so having them in 2 >places at once. I suppose that's okay if you are using it as a filing >system and putting things there for later evaluation. > >Online family trees are fine - just don't add other people's rubbish to >your own carefully researched, sourced and recorded data! (and add the >occasionally scathing note to the rubbish?) > >Ruth

On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:15:56 +0200, Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote: >My advice to those who are about to begin their family history and want to >store their data in an online system like Ancestry.com, MyHeritage.com, >Geni.com and several others: > >Don't. > >Online family trees can really mess up your data, and frequently do. > >When people say to me, in response to a request to share data, "I'll give you >access to my tree on Xxxx", my heart sinks. > >When they ask for a GEDCOM file to upload to an online tree, my heart sinks >even further. There is an obvious answer. Embed some obviously impossible and erroneous data and tell them what you have done. They will not want your data anymore. Then offer to help them with their direct line showing accurate info. My GEDCOMS are still virgins. Hugh

snipped > > MARRIED 17 Nov 1839, to ANDERSON, Bridget, Born 19 Nov 1819 in > Whitehaven, CUL, ENG, Died 19 Aug 1876 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG > at age 56; FATHER: ANDERSON, John > ANCESTRY: Gives only the years, but says they were married in > Cumberland, Illinois United States instead of Whitehaven, > Cumberland, England -- otherwise correct. > > > The person who compiled the tree probably made the mistake of linking the > wrong husband and father. > > But would he have mangled the place names like that? > > I suspect that that is something that the Ancestry.com software has done all > on its own, and that if you entrust Ancestry.com with your genealogy data, > something similar is likely to happen to it. I've seen a few similar cases - I don't know, but I've always suspected that the person adding the information has just clicked the first default place name without considering common sense. Someone has added my Carlisle born and bred gt gt grandmother to a London based family; I've seen others where I assume the user has added eg census returns that "might" be the ancestor, so having them in 2 places at once. I suppose that's okay if you are using it as a filing system and putting things there for later evaluation. Online family trees are fine - just don't add other people's rubbish to your own carefully researched, sourced and recorded data! (and add the occasionally scathing note to the rubbish?) Ruth

My advice to those who are about to begin their family history and want to store their data in an online system like Ancestry.com, MyHeritage.com, Geni.com and several others: Don't. Online family trees can really mess up your data, and frequently do. When people say to me, in response to a request to share data, "I'll give you access to my tree on Xxxx", my heart sinks. When they ask for a GEDCOM file to upload to an online tree, my heart sinks even further. We've done that, and seen the data scrambled. Here's an example, but it is only one of dozens we have seen in the last few weeks. It shows my wife's great great grandfather, John Ellwood, and her great great grandmother, Bridget Anderson, and their children. They were born, met and married in Whitehaven, Cumberland, England. At some point in the 1840s they moved to Durham, and some of their children were born there. Then they moved back to Whitehaven, and the rest of their children were born there. Ancestry.com, however, has them gallivanting all over the world, and has them marrying in the USA, returning to the UK for the birth of their first child, and scuttling back and forth across the Atlantic like 21st-century jet-setters. This shows the family from our records, with information we have Family Group Report For: John Ellwood (ID= 2053) Date Prepared: 12 Aug 2011 NAME: ELLWOOD, John, Born 27 Jan 1819 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG, Died 25 Apr 1892 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG at age 73; FATHER: ELLWOOD, Robert, Born 11 Jan 1789, Died 24 Jan 1862 at age 73; MOTHER: SAXON, Martha, Born ??? 1797, Died ??? 1846 at age 49 MARRIED 17 Nov 1839, to ANDERSON, Bridget, Born 19 Nov 1819 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG, Died 19 Aug 1876 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG at age 56; FATHER: ANDERSON, John CHILDREN: 1. M ELLWOOD, John, born 20 Oct 1840 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG, died 16 Jul 1859 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG 2. F ELLWOOD, Martha, born 23 Jun 1842 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG, died 1 Mar 1925; Married to LANGSTAFF, 3. M ELLWOOD, Robert, born 10 Jul 1843 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG, died 18 Mar 1844 in Wingate Grange, Durham 4. M ELLWOOD, Thomas, born 17 Mar 1845 in Wingate Grange, Durham, died 5 Dec 1914 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG; Married ??? 1903 to Elizabeth; 12 children 5. M ELLWOOD, Robert, born 28 Apr 1849 in Castle Eden, Durham, died 24 Oct 1932 in Cumberland, England; Married Nov 1870 to FAIRCLIFF, Mary Ann; 6 children 6. F ELLWOOD, Margaret, born 22 Sep 1850 in Castle Eden, Durham, died ??? 1916? in Australia 7. F ELLWOOD, Hannah, born 20 Jul 1853 in Moss Pit, Whitehaven, died ???; Married to JACKSON, William; 6 children 8. F ELLWOOD, Jane, born 20 Sep 1855 in Moss Pit, Whitehaven, died Sep 1919 in Cumberland, England 9. F ELLWOOD, Elizabeth, born 18 Feb 1857 in Moss Pit, Whitehaven, died 28 Mar 1857 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG 10. M ELLWOOD, John, born 14 Feb 1860 in Croft Pit, Whitehaven, died 3 Mar 1872 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG But what does Ancestry say? NAME: ELLWOOD, John, Born 27 Jan 1819 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG, Died 25 Apr 1892 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG at age 73; ANCESTRY: William ELLWOOD, b. 8 Oct 1819, Kendal Westmorland Died 7 Apr 1907, Lancaster, England Why is that strange man sleeping in great great granny's bed? MARRIED 17 Nov 1839, to ANDERSON, Bridget, Born 19 Nov 1819 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG, Died 19 Aug 1876 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG at age 56; FATHER: ANDERSON, John ANCESTRY: Gives only the years, but says they were married in Cumberland, Illinois United States instead of Whitehaven, Cumberland, England -- otherwise correct. CHILDREN: 1. M ELLWOOD, John, born 20 Oct 1840 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG, died 16 Jul 1859 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG ANCESTRY: Born about 1841 in Whitehaven, Cumberland England 2. F ELLWOOD, Martha, born 23 Jun 1842 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG, died 1 Mar 1925; Married to LANGSTAFF, ANCESTRY: Born 1843 in Cumberland, Illinois, United States 3. M ELLWOOD, Robert, born 10 Jul 1843 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG, died 18 Mar 1844 in Wingate Grange, Durham ANCESTRY: does not show him 4. M ELLWOOD, Thomas, born 17 Mar 1845 in Wingate Grange, Durham, died 5 Dec 1914 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG; Married ??? 1903 to Elizabeth; 12 children ANCESTRY: Born 1845 in Durham, Durham, North Carolina, United States. Died 1914 in Cumberland, Illinois, United States. 5. M ELLWOOD, Robert, born 28 Apr 1849 in Castle Eden, Durham, died 24 Oct 1932 in Cumberland, England; Married Nov 1870 to FAIRCLIFF, Mary Ann; 6 children ANCESTRY: Born 1850 in Castle Eden, Durham, England 6. F ELLWOOD, Margaret, born 22 Sep 1850 in Castle Eden, Durham, died ??? 1916? in Australia ANCESTRY: Born in Durham, Durham, North Carolina, United States. 7. F ELLWOOD, Hannah, born 20 Jul 1853 in Moss Pit, Whitehaven, died ???; Married to JACKSON, William; 6 children ANCESTRY: Born 1854, Moss Pit, Cumberland, England 8. F ELLWOOD, Jane, born 20 Sep 1855 in Moss Pit, Whitehaven, died Sep 1919 in Cumberland, England ANCESTRY: Born 1856, Moss Pit, Cumberland, England 9. F ELLWOOD, Elizabeth, born 18 Feb 1857 in Moss Pit, Whitehaven, died 28 Mar 1857 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG ANCESTRY: Not shown 10. M ELLWOOD, John, born 14 Feb 1860 in Croft Pit, Whitehaven, died 3 Mar 1872 in Whitehaven, CUL, ENG ANCESTRY: Born 1850, Croft Pit, Cumberland, England The person who compiled the tree probably made the mistake of linking the wrong husband and father. But would he have mangled the place names like that? I suspect that that is something that the Ancestry.com software has done all on its own, and that if you entrust Ancestry.com with your genealogy data, something similar is likely to happen to it. So keep your data on your own computer, where it's under your control. If you want to put it on the web, to see if others are researching the same families, most genealogy programs can create static web pages for doing that. And you can use programs like TNG and PHPGedcom to have it available dynamically -- as long it's on a server under your control, so you can easily correct errors. But when it comes to publicly-hosted public trees, be very, very careful. For more information about the dangers and pitfalls, see: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/2011/08/09/jane-ellwood-and-the-perils-of-online-family-trees/ http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/2010/04/06/423/ http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/2009/05/27/geni-com-a-flawed-site/ -- Steve Hayes Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/ http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/

On 2011-08-12 10:15, Steve Hayes wrote: > My advice to those who are about to begin their family history and want to > store their data in an online system like Ancestry.com, MyHeritage.com, > Geni.com and several others: > > Don't. > > Online family trees can really mess up your data, and frequently do. > ..... > But when it comes to publicly-hosted public trees, be very, very careful. > ..... > I entirely agree. This is why I don't put any of my trees in such places. Peter

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July 2011 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with G - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 1 August 2011 Galvin 1810 1900 Ire>Arcade,NY jrrppaa Gannon 1839 1911 IRL>Philadelphia PA Honor (Annie) married Grady kzane Garcia 1830s unk New Mexico dguerin Garner 1976 current Sodus and through out Finger Lakes Now living in Fl but family in upstate NY Hgarner1 Gaskin 1600 2011 germany heisking Gates VA GA MISS acai Gauld 1864 1963 SCT>CAN>USA esson Genovese 1903 Now Italy>NY,USA>IA, USA GenovCZ Gerner 1862 now Phila, Pa mabs Gerrity 1839 1901 IRL>Philadelphia PA Catherine married Loftus kzane Giannotti 1847 now Serravezza and Pietrasanta,Tuscany,ITA>NY>BergenCo,NJ,USA sculptor/marble mason pjgen Gibbons 1790 1953 Charles Co., MD>Calvert Co.MD>Baltimore,MD>St.Petersburg, FL. cbickart Gillies 1845 1950 Bicheno>Glamorgan>Launceston>Queenstown,TAS,AUS pasfield Gilmour 1879 2011 Scotland kanga39 Gismondi 1884 now Ita>ny,usa amo95979 Gleason 1500 1950 Ireland Radiske Glenn 1951 now Polk Co,Ia, Usa corgru12 Golding 1700 1910 Bristol UK Also researching Stone, Wiltshire, Essery mstone1 Gonzales 1895 1984 Guanajuato,Mex>Tex>Ca. I am looking for family of my grandfather, Rumaldo he moved to Junction,Tx and then to Broderick, Ca he married Guadalupe Angiano in 1917, they had 4 girls Gfamily6 Goodwin 1500 2010 UK Radiske Goss 1700 1980 DEU>USA>PA>NJ Married into Siudut family JNSIUDUT Grady 1839 1998 IRL>Philadelphia,PA,USA Simon married Honor Gannon kzane Graham 1813 1890 Ire>MA>Arcade,NY jrrppaa Graves 1915 1970 MA>KS>>MO wmankine Graylin 1800 1850 Essex Graylin Grayling 1800 1850 Essex Graylin Green 1883 1930 IRL>NYC Carol4x Greenwood 1850 1930 Lancashire ENG Mary Ann makay14 Greiner 1790 Now PA>Mahoning Co, OH>Columbiana Co, OH, USA John Greiner & Esther Klein; Hiram Greiner & Rebecca A Thomas; Joseph O Greiner & Adella J Campbell; Sara Ada Greiner; Hiram Angus Greiner & Helen Boone Greiner, Ada Helen Greiner, Hiram Boone Greiner meg1056 Griffin 1816 1916 Bladon,Oxfordshire,England>Muskoka District, Ont.,Canada Ongoing-have bits and pieces of info but not in entirety SlattRob Griffin 1900 1930 EdgefieldCo, SC vdubu Grooms 1700 2011 Native America dakdeb Groves 1850 2000 KY>OH>MI>,USA chevy2 Gruben 1864 now Elliehausen and Buschausen, DEU>BergenCo,NJ,USA pjgen Gruening 1915 1954 Polk Co,Ia, USA corgru12 Gunn 1860 1900 Ind. > Mo. BKBrewer See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.

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July 2011 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with E - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 1 August 2011 Early 1790 1978 PA>OH>OK charli24 Eby 1700 now SWITZ>PA>IND>KS>Los Angeles,CA Jacob Glossbrenner minkey Eitapence 1809 1915 Darmstadt,DEU>Utica, NY CBickart Emmons 1700 1900 Anson Co,NC>KY, USA BBEB Emser 1804 Palatinate,DEU kathypa Englert 1850s now GER>Rochester, NY mwynne Esslinger 1804 1920 Waldmohr,Germany>PA kathypa Esson 1800 now SCT>CAN esson Exnicios Pre 1775 Present Oprichain, Germany>LA,USA Alt. spelling Exnicious Marlania See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.

July 2011 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with D - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 1 August 2011 Daniels 1500s 2011 England > New York > Michigan ...Benjamin > John Graham > Frederck > Forrest... danberkr Danner 1840 1930 Wurtemburg,Germany>PA kathypa Davis 1844 1869 MD>RI Moved to Nash County, NC jamesdav Day 1765 1853 England>Essex County, MA>Newburyport, Essex,MA>CT>Putnam Cty, NY.Orange Cty, NY>Milford, PA wmankine Deaver 1700 2011 IR>SC drchuck de Blaauw 1824 2011 Friesland, The Netherlands BobDeBla Debolt 1600 2011 germany heisking de la Noval 1899 now Havana, Cuba Imusa009 De La Willes 1185 now SCT>ENG>WALES>IRE>AUS>USA>CAN rwhillas de Pina 1895 Parbo, SUR mgd3461 DeShazo 1670 now France>King and Queen Co, VA>Henry Co, VA, USA the line of Robert bawatts Dickey 1900 now Denver>Weld Co,CO>CA Adopted Indian minkey Dill 1702 1799 MD>DE>KY>OH>IL>IN Talbot Co. MD to Kent Co DE to Mason Co KY to Clermont Co OH gddcalif DiSanto 1870 1950 San Fele,IT>Buffalo,NY jrrppaa Dobbertin 1850s now GER>Rochester, NY>Syracuse, NY mwynne Dolan 1819 1930 IRL>Philadelphia PA Francis, Frank married Sarah Cantwell kzane Dolan 1850 1920 Philadelphia,PA,USA Frank-phila. police in mid-late 1800's kzane Doucette 1844 1929 Nova Scotia emeuse Doucette 1853 1902 Nova Scotia emeuse Douglass 1700 2011 Scotland dakdeb Draffin 1880 now Denver, CO minkey Draves 1800 2011 Baltimore,MD>MI CKMartin Drewnowski 1700 2011 Prussia>Baltimore,MD>MI CKMartin Duckers 1863 now COOK CTY>USA Also in Washburn, Wisconsin jonny2 Durning 1850's 1940 IRL>Philadelphia, PA Catherine, wife of Patrick Love kzane Duvic 1830 now France>New Orleans,Orleans,Louisiana,USA eduvic Dwyer 1800 2010 Ireland, NY, Minnesota Radiske See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.

July 2011 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with C - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 1 August 2011 Calder 1850 1930 Wick,Latheron,CAI>ABD>Buckie,BAN,SCT pasfield Callaghan 1830 1930 IRL>Derby>Telita>Launceston>Gordon>Ringarooma>Hobart,TAS,AUS pasfield Callaghan Ireland Australi 1836 gordonfc Callanan 1959 1960 New Zealand kauri567 Cameron 1764 2011 North America Looking for Joseph Cameron (alias Dow, or Grey) in Drum of Carron. Married Helen Taylor in 1764 MarieadC Campbell 1820 Now Columbiana Co, OH, USA meg1056 Campbell 1850s now IRL>Ontario, CAN>Rochester, NY married Cooney mwynne Campbell 1871 KY>IN qmafor2 Camph 1840 present SWE>IL>IA>NY>CA wmankine Canning 1840s now IRL>Philadelphia, PA>Syracuse, NY mwynne Cantwell 1832 1970 IRL>PhiladelphiaPA Edward, James, dtr Sarah kzane Cardall 1762 now Staffordshire>Warwickshire Earliest location BILSTON marneyec Carlton 1725 1892 ENG>Albemarle, VA>Wilkes, NC>Franklin, TN>Jackson, AL>Cass, TX>Franklin, AR>Kaufman, TX>Grayson, TX John Carlton ygilbre Carpenter 1778 now NTT,ENG>LycomingCo, PA,USA James Carpenter was one of the pioneers of Lycoming county, PA, USA. He came to America during the Revolution and served in that war for Independence. jacj5358 Carroll 1872 1917 IRL>NYC Carol4x Carter 1800 now DE hhimema Cartwright 1946 Ark. maiden name Rhodes esjjdskk Casares ----- 1930 ITA, NY White511 Cash 1653 2011 WestmorelandCo, Va>GA>AL cash1589 Cassidy 1850 1940 IRL>Utica,NY CBickart Cawkwell 1872 1918 Yorkshire kanga39 Chemelieski 1906 now Pol>NY,AZ,CA Leo Chemelieski came from Poland to Yonkers ericjbat Cheramie 1731 2011 FRA>LA nelsonc3 Chinal 1870 1950 FRA>IND>CAN Bevpw Christman 1833 Germany>Mass>IN qmafor2 Ciliberto ITALY AMBLER 1900 MAREZ Cirtautas 1840 LTU>ME,USA pohkeso Claudio 1895 1940 Caguas, PR Francisca Claudio tsanc200 Clay 1806 1873 ENG>N dlclay Clay 1806 1873 NY>Pa>Ka>Mo, USA dlclay Clegg 1738 YKS.ENG>VIC.AUS rita1039 Codd 1768 now SUFFOLK,UK Coddtree Conforti 1894 now Ita>ny,usa amo95979 Conklin 1818 now Erin,NY>Baldwin Park,CA Erin NY minkey Connor 1890 1943 Ireland>Chemung County> NY USA Glasthule and Ballybrack, County Dublin, Ireland; County Dublin markel Cooney 1850s now IRL>Ontario, CAN>Rochester, NY mwynne Cooper 1800 1960 IRE>PA>MD>TN Descendants of William Cooper & Margaret Moat thebetsy Corley 1860 now IRE>Philadelphia, PA Michael minkey Corrie 1822 Now CON ENG, VIC AUS rosevale Corwine 1854 2011 MO>LA nelsonc3 Costello 1805 1859 Barbour County, WVA kcee74 Costellow 1770 1830 WVA kcee74 Costeloe 1700 1741 UK kcee74 Costeloe 1741 1859 Barbour County, WVA kcee74 Cowden 1776 now KY > Ind BKBrewer Cox 1873 1930 MO>OK mauburn Crook 1847 St Pancras, London Coddtree Crowsley 1775 1850 KY>OH>IL Rachel Crowsley married my gg grand father in KY. they moved to OH and then to ILDo not know the origin of name gddcalif Curley 1823 1935 Baltimore,MD>St.Mary'sCo.,MD CBickart See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.

July 2011 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with A - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 1 August 2011 Bahls 1850s now GER>Rochester, NY also Bayles -- married Dobbertin. mwynne Bailey 1800 1897 IN>KS charli24 Ball 1700 Now SAL,ENG>HAM,ENG muzzy4 Ballantese 1800 2011 italy bonzanto Barnden 1740 SSX.ENG>WA.AUS rita1039 Barnes 1800 1900 Dorchester, DOR>GtBaddow,Chelmsford,ESS,ENG pasfield Bartlett 1680 SOM.ENG>VIC.AUS rita1039 Bateman 1937 now Eng>NY,AZ,CA John Bateman came from England to Brooklyn ericjbat Beattie 1837 DOW.NIR>WA.AUS rita1039 Beckelhymer 1712 Germany gman1757 Bell 1600 2011 prussia heisking Bellamy 1878 1960 Yorkshire kanga39 Bencini 1800 2011 italy bonzanto Bengs 1890 1950 Germany tamander Bengtson 1864 1935 SWE>CONN Name changed to Benson lp123 Benzoni 1800 2011 italy bonzanto Bingenheimer 1849 2011 Germany Tinkrpig Birks 1800 Now YKS,ENG muzzy4 Birrell FALKLAND QLD, AUS 1850'S thelma.birrell@bigpond.com naominew Bleend 1865 2011 UKR>NY,USA pohkeso Blevins 1800 2005 IN>KS>OK charli24 Bolton 1653 2011 LANCASHIRE, UK cab22 Bonds 1800s GA>Randolph Co., AL Rebecca Bonds married Archibald Judge Moore ptm2754 Bonzanto 1800 2011 italy bonzanto Boone 1639 Now ENG>Berks Co,PA>.Columbiana Co OH, USA meg1056 Borak 1860 2011 warsaw,poland bureck electro Bovee 1817 1817 NY>MA>NY>OH>MI>WI>MN>ND,USA. Permelia's 1900 census record has her b. Sept. 1816 & age 83 on Census date of 19 June 1900. Permelia Bovee Laughlin dau. of John Bovee or Bovie and Elizabeth Primmer (Not Whitaker, Filgate wrong here). Need proof of birth-bapt.? Try Cohocton, Steuben Cty, N.Y. Obit. & stone birth date are 10 Sept. 1817. ballygra Bratt 1853 1916 Baltimore,MD CBickart Breckenridge 1763 present SCT>NIR>GA>AL>MS lbreckrn Brewer 1815 1905 NY>Mi Wm married Almyra Dutton kjbrewer Briggs 1819 1946 NY,USA>ON,CAN>IL,USA George C Briggs born in Canandaigua, NY Apr 21 1897 gbriggs1 Bruce 1810 1880 Wick,Latheron,CAI,SCT pasfield Buchman 1900 1923 Russia(Minsk)>NYC>CA rederik Buck 1808 1953 Walton Abbey,England>Haliburton Cty,Ont., Canada Ongoing-have bits and pieces of info but not in entirety SlattRob Buffet 1600s 1800s Billom, France dguerin Burden 1620 1940 Eynsham,ENG>Sandusky,OH>FlatRock,MI,USA edrose Burke 1795 Present IRL>Can>RandolphCo,IN>SalineCo,MO>GageCo,NE>KS,USA I already have a lot of info and am willing to share. av8rburk Burns 1700 1990 Embden, ME>Bath, ME>Auburn, ME Carol4x Busby 1840 now IN>KS>CA Reuben to Almira minkey Busch 1811 2000 Germany mary58 Busswitz 1816 2010 1870 Berlin, Germany, MN & ND melinke See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.

July 2011 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with A - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 1 August 2011 Adams 1700 2011 IR>SC>NC>TN drchuck Alarid 1830s unk New Mexico dguerin Albright 1790 Present Europe; Buck County, PA; Niagara County Samuel Albrigak Albro 1803 1950 DutchessCo,NY>GreeneCo,IN>CampbellCo,KY,USA bandree Alexander 1750 2010 England>United States judsonr Allen 1800 now Illinois looking for any info on family sflarity Andree 1858 2011 DEU>OH>AR,USA bandree See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.

On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:59:40 -0400, Wes Groleau wrote: > On 07-25-2011 17:41, terry.iwaniw@gmail.com wrote: >> For sale for $15.95 on CD. Colonial and Revolutionary families of > > Or you can go to http://www.worldcat.org to see the names and addresses > of 274 libraries that have it in book form or microtext. It's on Heritage Quest too.

June 2011 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with YZ - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 1 July 2011 Yeargain 1850 1930 Illinois>Sacramento, CA William A Yeargain cathie26 Yonge 500 now Southold, Eng>Salem, MA>Southold Long Island>CT>NJ Puritans persecuted at "The Restoration" - Jerfox Youngs 500 now Southold, Eng>Salem, MA>Southold Long Island>CT>NJ Puritans persecuted at "The Restoration" - Jerfox Zamora 1820 1950 NM>CO>WY>CO ernierom Zehner 1600 1999 NY, TX, PA, ID, OH, MO, VA marleysm See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.