ChrisGW wrote: > Found this on 1910 census "House Puperepon" as related to head of > house=hold. What does it mean? out of context nothing Your Search for Puperepon returned no matches please post a full refeence to the page and image Hugh W -- For genealogy and help with family and local history in Bristol and district http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Brycgstow/ http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

Hugh Watkins wrote: > ChrisGW wrote: > >> Found this on 1910 census "House Puperepon" as related to head of >> house=hold. What does it mean? > > > out of context nothing > > Your Search for Puperepon returned no matches I know my search for "Puperepon" returned no matches. That is why I am asking on the usenet! > please post a full refeence to the page and image > > Hugh W > > It defines how the person listed on the census (USA) is related to the head of house hold.

Sherlock Holmes wrote: > > The point I was getting at is that some one posted the following: > "The markers used in these sorts of tests are in the junk DNA. Since > they don't code for genes, there is no selection pressure on them, so > they make better molecular clocks. If they did code for genes, then > some mutations would be lost because they were fatal. But with junk DNA > all the mutations stick around, because they don't matter, so you can, > with an assumed mutation rate, measure when two lines diverged." > Now take note in the last line it clearly says Assumed that means it is > not exact it is guessed at and has not been proven in any way shape of > form. That is not what it meant, as I explained elsewhere. -- Thomas M. Sommers -- tms@nj.net -- AB2SB

Found this on 1910 census "House Puperepon" as related to head of house=hold. What does it mean? Thanks Chris

"yojay" <yojay99@gmail.com> wrote in message news:388e9d38-0d23-4884-ae25-7f3d6e9f34b8@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com... > http://www.cafepress.com/yojay/4232846 > > I made these designs for my online shop but I was looking for other, > more obscure, relative titles. I plan to add a line of "Once removed" > and "Twice removed" designs to the cousins, but that's about it. I > searched for obscure relative titles but couldn't come up with much > more than these. Is there a site or table that shows all possible > relations? Here's a link to a chart showing relationships. http://genealogy.about.com/library/nrelationshipchart.htm Kevin

hdpth-DNA wrote: > > your "B" contender > > the prices that you quoted for FTDNA are not project "group rates" > which are quite a bit cheaper :) I just wanted to add that when we bought our test kit at FamilyTreeDNA, we had not joined the surname project - hit the wrong button at the wrong time <grin>. However, when we asked to be added to the surname study for the particular surnames for the males we had had tested, we did receive a refund from FamilyTreeDNA (at least we did on one of the projects, I haven't checked with my husband to see if we got the same refund on the other project). Cathy

paul c wrote: > Thanks Joe for looking and for your personal reply, that appears to be > the address I've been trying and which I fear is a dormant handle. Have > sent you a more detailed reply. Have tried to contact a Pictou > genealogy society, no luck, but will try some others. > > paul c > > Joe Pessarra wrote: > >> >> "paul c" <toledobythesea@ooyah.ac> wrote in message >> news:tUh7j.137$mW.35@pd7urf1no... >> >>> Some years ago, she made several posts to, I think, Rootsweb, >>> regarding Pictou County, Nova Scotia, mentioning among other names, >>> McLean, Christie, Crichton and Ramsay. Her email handle from that >>> time doesn't seem to respond now. >>> >>> I am also interested in these names and am hoping somebody might have >>> a contact address for Kate or for somebody who knows of her interest. >>> >>> (to email me, please use the toledo... name with the yahoo.ca domain.) >>> >>> thanks for any leads, >>> paul c >> >> >> An Internet search for "Kate Holgerson" finds some 71 hits. One of >> these has an email address for her. May not be the right one, but the >> surname Crichton is mentioned in the lineages. Check it out, and >> maybe some of the other sites. >> >> http://www.whitneygen.org/families/lineages.html#296 if UK I search the death reords in civil registratation SSDI in USA Hugh W -- For genealogy and help with family and local history in Bristol and district http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Brycgstow/ http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

yojay wrote: >[...] I plan to add a line of "Once removed" >and "Twice removed" designs to the cousins, but that's about it. I >searched for obscure relative titles but couldn't come up with much >more than these. [...] It is not all that uncommon in my family for people to know first cousins three times removed and second cousins three times removed., And my son became a quite keen "collector" of close cousins of his ggggggg-grandparents etc, considering that enough interesting (in his case, writers touching on his philosophical interests) first cousins many times removed was as good as a single interesting first cousin no times removed.

try your genealogy program. My FTM routinely displays such associations. The further back you go the more you will see this. The more lines you search adds to the the amount of 1st cousin three times removed or 5 cousin once removed, etc... appearing. Hopefully, you don't get both like some of my mother's West Virginia relatives appear when I print out a report. 8>: Mike in Ohio yojay wrote: > http://www.cafepress.com/yojay/4232846 > > I made these designs for my online shop but I was looking for other, > more obscure, relative titles. I plan to add a line of "Once removed" > and "Twice removed" designs to the cousins, but that's about it. I > searched for obscure relative titles but couldn't come up with much > more than these. Is there a site or table that shows all possible > relations?

http://www.cafepress.com/yojay/4232846 I made these designs for my online shop but I was looking for other, more obscure, relative titles. I plan to add a line of "Once removed" and "Twice removed" designs to the cousins, but that's about it. I searched for obscure relative titles but couldn't come up with much more than these. Is there a site or table that shows all possible relations?

T.M. Sommers wrote: > singhals wrote: >> cecilia wrote: >>> Huntersglenn wrote: >>> >>>> [...].the likelihood of the government or an insurance company >>>> knowing about the DNA genealogy testing isn't all that great. IF >>>> either entity wanted my DNA that badly, they'd most likely opt to >>>> get it directly from me, or from my house, or my doctor. [...] >>> >>> An insurance company might be as interested in the ages at and causes >>> of death of one's last three generations of ancestors. >> >> Another reason not to put too much on line? (g) > > The markers used in these sorts of tests are in the junk DNA. Since they > don't code for genes, there is no selection pressure on them, so they > make better molecular clocks. If they did code for genes, then some > mutations would be lost because they were fatal. But with junk DNA all > the mutations stick around, because they don't matter, so you can, with > an assumed mutation rate, measure when two lines diverged. > Hi, So in actual fact DNA Genealogy is guess work at the best and thus can not be relied on concerning the number of generations involved due to the AssUMed mutation rate. Some one is trying to sell us a Pig in a poke, con job, scam, rip off, lie, cheat us out of our hard earned income. As Benny Hill once said never Assume as you make an Ass out of U and Me. Now lets get back to some real Genealogical detective work. David

November 2007 Update to RootsWeb Surname List New and Modified Surnames starting with I - To learn more about the RSL, including how to access the full RSL which has over a million surnames (these postings are only the NEW or CHANGED names). how to submit surnames, etc., visit http://rsl.rootsweb.com/ - Write directly to the submitter if you would like to exchange information. Entries are formatted as follows: Surname Date1 Date2 Migration Comments & Nametag Surname: The surname being researched Date1: The earliest date for which the submitter has information. Date2: The most recent date. Migration: Where people of this line lived during the period listed. Comments: Additional information (not always included) Nametag: What you need to actually contact the submitter. Abbreviations used in the migration are listed on this web page: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/codes/ OK, so you see a surname listed below and want to share and compare with the person who submitted it. How do you find the submitter? It's not all that bad: to obtain the address info for the submitter whose nametag is "example" (just for example), go here: http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi?op=user&user=example Reminder: the nametag is the last word on each line in the list below. ===================================== 3 December 2007 Ibarra 1857 San Juan>Vega Baja myscopo Ibasfalean 10/5/26 2007 Romainia Ibasfal Ibsen 1800 1900 Copenhagen,Denmark paganoni Ihnat 1850 1950 Nemecka Poruba,Ung Co,Slovakia suzannab Ingram Abt 1575 Abt 1800 YKS,ENG>VA hummhist Isaacson 1920 present Finland>USA Mamie Isaacson, ancestors from Finland, married Joseph Riggs and had Leonard, Charles and Linda sbunny Isherwood 1744 Now Lan, ENG Bolton, Leigh Finnish Ivy 1790 1884 NC>Logan Co., KY,USA Penelope, James & Nancy Ivy - siblings jpaul See directions at the top of this message for information on how to retrieve the submitters' contact information.

On Dec 7, 8:54 am, Thumper <thumperstra...@gmail.com> wrote: > I have been researching the main players in DNA genealogy. I'm still > confused by the various tests and am trying to figure out which > service to use. Thumper - of your contenders ... I will let you decide if contender "A" should actually be banished from your list or not "/ check this out, in regards to GeneBase ... CBC's Marketplace TV show aired across Canada on 12/05/07, can be viewed online at: http://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/ I personally prefer a company that is more responsive to the client ... I am not sold on a flash website, but more on the product line and resources that they have to offer :) ------------------------------------ your "B" contender the prices that you quoted for FTDNA are not project "group rates" which are quite a bit cheaper :) if no surname project [or one with a variant of your spelling] exist yet ... you can request one be created on your own, or contact WorldFamilies.net http://www.worldfamilies.net/ and ask them to request it [that is if you don't want to be the project admin yourself] ... and then place your test kit order to get the "group rate" that way :) the FTDNA "group rates" current as of this posting are .... Y-DNA [males only] 12-marker $99, 25-marker $148, 37-marker $189, 67- marker $269 mtDNA [for both males or females] HVR-1 $129 and HVR-1 & 2 $189 Y-DNA 12 marker with mtDNA [HVR-1 only] $179 Y-DNA 37 markers with mtDNA Plus [HVR-1 & 2] $339 Y-DNA 67 markers with mtDNA Plus [HVR-1 & 2] $409 FTDNA also offers a conversion test for those that have already been tested at some other commercial lab :) Y-DNA 12--$59 Y-DNA 25--$89 Y-DNA 37--$119 you can read more about that on the WorldFamilies.net website here ... http://www.wfnforum.net/index.php?topic=7245.msg102379#msg102379 ALSO FTDNA's partnership with National Geographic Society in their Genographic Project https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/journey.html ... you could order a test kit from them for just under $100 for either the Y-DNA 12-marker or the mtDNA HVR-1 panel ... and after getting your results from them, you could transfer [copy] your results into a surname or geographical project at FTDNA ... which will allow you to upgrade your results and also compare your results with the larger "private" database they have :) public participation in the Genographic Project is processed by FTDNA through the Lab at the University of Arizona ... ------------------------------------ your "C" contender(s) ... is a bit complicated as you are mentioning more than one facility, under the large umbrella of SMGF :) the test "Ancestry by DNA" is Autosomal DNA, which is the 22 pairs of non-sex chromosomes found in the nucleus, which is not Y-DNA nor mtDNA testing, but everything else that comes down to one from all of their ancestors ... that DNA material "recombines" with each subsequent generation, and that type of testing will not tell you from which specific ancestor this or that ethnic / regional heritage came from ... Also the practice of that sort of testing has been reported to produced "dubious results" ... being that there are cases where biological siblings and an even greater surprise of twins who have not received identical test results "/ i.e. we each receive a "mixture" that's recombined and doesn't appear to be in the exact same amounts and/or order / copies :( GeneTree is the up and coming [somewhat] replacement for [the former Relative Genetics, which [SMGF] Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation, sold to Ancestry.com this past summer 2007] ... preforming search in the GeneTree database, will pick up on "matching" results from the SMGF database also :) problem here, is you most likely will not be able to contact those distant genetic cousins that you might match up with [without some genealogical detective work on the outside] ... The free testing that SMGF offer themselves is great for those who want to see how it works, but don't want to put any funds out just yet :) But keep in mind [1] they will "not" tell you when your results will be posted to their public database, [2] your identity is kept "private" so no one will be able to contact you through there ... so you ask how will I know when my results are posted, and/or how will I find my own results :) When you submit your test sample to them, you will be required to also submit at least a 4-generation pedigree chart [which in turn will be combined with your results when posted to the website ... yes "privacy" of names and data on living individual in your ped-chart will be blocked out] ... SMGF does send out notices to those who are on an "update mailing list" when the website is updated, approximately 2 to 4 times a year ... once you get one of these notices, you can go to their website and run a search for your surname and from the data you supplied on your ped-chart, you will be able to tell if and which test results are yours, when they eventually get posted :) also note that test results can take up to 6 months to a year or more before they are posted "/ .... this is their own research and you didn't have to pay for it, so lots of patients is in order here :) oh and one more thing ... they do have genealogical researchers on staff, that will take the liberty of adding / correcting your ped-chart [sometimes without rhyme nor reason] and amend your data supplemented with [AFN info] Ancestral File Number ... typically something you can find at FamilySearch.org online submitted LDS records :) ------------------------------------ your "D" contender ... briefly mentioned above also :) this is their second time Anestry.com has venture into the DNA arena ... they have a cleaver way of selling more markers than most will actually get results for :) i.e. marker 464 normally has four copies reported as a, b, c and d ... "some" people have additional copies at this marker e, f and g the former [RG] Relative Genetics advertised 43-markers not 46 "/ Incidentally ... RG [now DNA-Ancestry] and DNA-Heritage a UK company, both use the Sorenson Lab, and test for the exact same markers and number of them :) ------------------------------------ On the ISOGG www.isogg.org website click on "Resources" and in the category of "DNA for Beginners" there are two links for some informational comparison charts ... they need to be updated just a tad, but still useful :) note that the RG transition has been completed just yet "/ Hope this was some what helpful :) Ken - hdpth-DNA a co-founder of ISOGG www.isogg.org the International Society of Genetic Genealogy .

T.M. Sommers wrote: > > A pole is the same as a rod: 16 feet. I have been informed off-list that the actual value is 16.5 feet. -- Thomas M. Sommers -- tms@nj.net -- AB2SB

Sherlock Holmes wrote: > T.M. Sommers wrote: >> singhals wrote: >>> cecilia wrote: >>>> Huntersglenn wrote: >>>> >>>>> [...].the likelihood of the government or an insurance company >>>>> knowing about the DNA genealogy testing isn't all that great. IF >>>>> either entity wanted my DNA that badly, they'd most likely opt to >>>>> get it directly from me, or from my house, or my doctor. [...] >>>> >>>> An insurance company might be as interested in the ages at and causes >>>> of death of one's last three generations of ancestors. >>> >>> Another reason not to put too much on line? (g) >> >> The markers used in these sorts of tests are in the junk DNA. Since >> they don't code for genes, there is no selection pressure on them, so >> they make better molecular clocks. If they did code for genes, then >> some mutations would be lost because they were fatal. But with junk >> DNA all the mutations stick around, because they don't matter, so you >> can, with an assumed mutation rate, measure when two lines diverged. > > So in actual fact DNA Genealogy is guess work at the best Not at all. 'Assumed' in this context simply means that the value is, as far as the present calculation goes, a parameter. It does not mean that the value has been arrived at by guesswork, only that it has been arrived at elsewhere. And don't assume that you know what 'parameter' means; it has a specific technical meaning in mathematics. > and thus can > not be relied on concerning the number of generations involved due to > the AssUMed mutation rate. The mutation rate is much too low to be used as a clock in genealogy. The whole point of the exercise is that you can build trees because the rate is so low that many generations will pass by with the DNA unchanged. The reason mtDNA and Y DNA is used is that those two pieces, and only those pieces, do not undergo recombination, and are passed intact from parent to child. -- Thomas M. Sommers -- tms@nj.net -- AB2SB

On Dec 10, 10:26 am, Sherlock Holmes <hawke_eye_da...@yahoo.com.au> wrote: > > Hi, > So in actual fact DNA Genealogy is guess work at the best and thus can > not be relied on concerning the number of generations involved due to > the AssUMed mutation rate. > Some one is trying to sell us a Pig in a poke, con job, scam, rip off, > lie, cheat us out of our hard earned income. > > As Benny Hill once said never Assume as you make an Ass out of U and Me. > > Now lets get back to some real Genealogical detective work. > > David hey Sherlock - did you not read the subject line of this thread "/ obviously you took a left turn into an area you are not interested in, and/or it doesn't jive with your ... can we ASSUME shotty investigative endeavors :) this type of genetic research is an AID with proven results, weather you want to believe it or not ... the facts are, DNA doesn't lie nor does it support fictitious research efforts :) Ken - hdpth-DNA

On Dec 10, 7:15 am, my...@ic24.net (cecilia) wrote: > Huntersglenn wrote: > >[...].the likelihood of the government or an insurance > >company knowing about the DNA genealogy testing isn't all that great. > >IF either entity wanted my DNA that badly, they'd most likely opt to get > >it directly from me, or from my house, or my doctor. [...] > > An insurance company might be as interested in the ages at and causes > of death of one's last three generations of ancestors. at the amount of profit insurance companies have reported to be bank rolling ... do we actually think they are paying someone to be trolling the internet searching for the limited amount of gedcom files listing that sort of info ... LOL Ken - hdpth-DNA

On Dec 9, 4:13 pm, Huntersglenn <huntersgl...@cox.net> wrote: > singhals wrote: > > > But then, OTOH --? If you're worried that somehow someway these results > > can be subpoenaed for any reason (criminal or insurance), best the > > testing company DOESN'T keep them more than 30 days. > > > Against better testing coming along, surely putting strands of hair or > > nail clippings or licked envelopes into the Zip-locs (TM) with notes on > > source and date and then putting those baggies into your bank box works > > just as well and it's under YOUR control. > > > Cheryl > > A valid point...but...the likelihood of the government or an insurance > company knowing about the DNA genealogy testing isn't all that great. > IF either entity wanted my DNA that badly, they'd most likely opt to get > it directly from me, or from my house, or my doctor. If it was for > something criminal, then they'd most likely find out about the bank box, > and get a search warrant for that, so they'd have anything kept there. > > Some of the testing companies also allow you to test without revealing > your name, or address, so you've got a pretty good privacy curtain going > on there. Which cannot be said for visits to your primary care > physician - the insurance company can get your records from him/her at > any time, and often without having to get your permission (in many > instances, that written permission was given when you filled out your > paperwork for your medical or life insurance policy and also when you > filled out paperwork at the doctor). > > If I had to choose between using a few strands of my daddy's hair from > when he was still alive in 1991 with having a DNA sample from his mouth, > I'd go for the mouth swab, especially since it will have been kept in a > much better environment than the hair strands in a plastic baggie > (theoretically, anyway). > > A far more serious potential breach of privacy would be the introduction > of home do-it-yourself paternity DNA testing kits - they're already > being marketed on the west coast - get the kid's DNA sample, the > mother's DNA sample and the suspected father/not father's DNA sample and > mail it in with a check, and voila! > > So, another thing to maybe look at when deciding on a testing service is > their privacy guarantees, and can you be anonymously tested if you so > desire? If this isn't something that the OP is worried about, then it's > definitely something that someone else might worry over, and would find > helpful to ask when searching for a testing service. > > Cathy True Cathy - no photo ID is required :) surname project participants can be and usually are anonymous to people [at least] outside of the individual project ... really the identity of the testing participant is not mandatory to be known, just that the person who supplied the test sample is in fact, of the purported lineage that is being researched :) that's what the testing is actually all about :) on the topic of paternity testing :) although this sort of testing for "genetic genealogy" isn't typically used for paternity testing ... I usually suggest that father-son pairs DO NOT be tested within a surname project "publicly" ... as a mis-match of just a handful of markers in their haplotypes, WILL be a shocking indication to some, of an NPE issue [non-paternal-event], i.e. daddy is not the biological father, if not already known and/or suspected "/ when an issue like this, comes up between distant cousins it usually not so hard to swallow, as it is when it's a next of kin relationship ... Ken - hdpth-DNA a co-founder of ISOGG www.isogg.org the International Society of Genetic Genealogy .

On Dec 9, 7:49 am, singhals <singh...@erols.com> wrote: > Huntersglenn wrote: > > > Another thing that I just noticed in the ancestry FAQ, is that they > > don't guarantee that they'll bank your DNA for possible future testing. > > If you're going to be tested at a lower marker number, then you'll > > want the company doing the testing to guarantee that they'll keep your > > DNA if for a long time (or as long as physically possible) in case you > > want to upgrade your testing later. FamilyTreeDNA keeps the sample DNA > > for 25 years. But again, this is really only an issue if you originally > > test a lower number of markers and might want to upgrade, or if you > > think that new tests might be available in the future that could be of > > benefit to you. > > But then, OTOH --? If you're worried that somehow someway > these results can be subpoenaed for any reason (criminal or > insurance), best the testing company DOESN'T keep them more > than 30 days. > > Against better testing coming along, surely putting strands > of hair or nail clippings or licked envelopes into the > Zip-locs (TM) with notes on source and date and then putting > those baggies into your bank box works just as well and it's > under YOUR control. > > Cheryl your test results and test sample in a "genetic genealogy" project will not be used nor subpoenaed in any criminal / insurance cases ... the MAIN reason being the chain of custody would be called into question right away :) what proof in these home collection test kits is there as to exactly whom the test sample came from, and then the sample is sent through the postal service to the testing facility, where upon they transfer it to the testing lab ... in main cases through the postal service again :) Often times the person who submitted the test sample, is not the same person who supplied the test sample :) for criminal cases ... a simple court order and they can collect a fresh sample directly from you personally at will anytime :) for insurance cases ... LOL have you [or even your parents] ever read the fine print when ever you went to the doctors or hospital for even just a simple blood test ... from one drop of blood or any other body fluid samples .... they got your info already [in most cases from enos ago when many of us were young children] generally what ever medical conditions we were predestine to have, were already capsulated in our DNA and along the way environment / man made events and the like, fostered them along and "might" have added to them somewhat here and there :) Remember the study of human DNA, actually is not anything new ... ONLY the usage of it as an "aid" in genetic genealogy :) besides the markers that are being tested for in "genetic genealogy" are basically of no real value in criminal / insurance cases ... as the markers that are being tested for in "genetic genealogy" will only identify "groups" of people who are closely related and NOT specific individuals :) so a testing facility that "does" provide for "long term" storage is ideal and can saves you money in the long run ... avoiding the additional time and fees for having another test sample processed and re-analyzed for any future upgrade testing that might come along :) what was it ... three years ago FTDNA only offered 25-markers test results .... now they offer 67-markers and many other specialty marker tests since then, that aren't currently part of the four testing panels they offer for genetic genealogy surname / geographic projects :) Ken - hdpth-DNA a co-founder of ISOGG www.isogg.org the International Society of Genetic Genealogy .

hi !jöns was born 1870 in sweden,börringe and move to usa 1889 it say he was going to Emmitsburg Iowa or Illonios his brother was moving later ca:1893-95 same name on a place La Salle.hope somebody no samthing about them. sune